Game of Thrones: The Repercussions of Mortality
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Game of Thrones insists on two uncomfortable truths--death is random, and evil is sometimes rewarded with power.
I think it's more like the very drive towards power at increasingly grander scales can't help but flirt with, or completely surrender to evil.
The desire to dominate and rule over others is hardly a selfless virtue.
Martin must have had a serious brain cramp after watching long night episode where all major characters survived despite being heavily outnumbered
4:03 that "girlfiend" really cracked me up :-)
Glad you enjoyed that joke :) -- gotta throw some humor in these.
Haha! I had to scroll down before posting it. That was funny.
Cracked me up? i nearly died!! XD
I doubt anyone can cover what A Song of Ice and Fire is all about, better than you just did. Please Hold the Door as I subscribe.
I have actually. Always on the lookout when he has a new video. Though i feel he reaches too far sometimes. But i like his videos
Thanks, Sid. Glad you enjoyed it.
Harry Cruse-Harris he is great at analyzing the narritive and themes, but he rarely really explains the major themes in detail.
totally true
Please Sir/Ser, please allow me to hold the door for you while you hold the door for Will.
Gentry is still alive! He has just been rowing this whole time and will be back in season 8
season 7, i'm pretty sure
Yea that's my B. Gendry is alive.
Great work, you deserve much more support.
Hodor! Hodor. Hodor! Hodor? Hodor? Hodor?
Hodor?
love these video essays, keep em coming :)
Ho
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Hodor,
Hodor, hodor....hodor!!
That intro was worth a like already
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Dean Robertson - "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment... " Hebrews 9:27. l know quoting Scripture can be a turn-off. George R. R. Martin's World of Ice and Fire makes us think about our world. There is a God-sized hole in us that only God can fill. Is it satisfying to learn that there is "nothing" after death? Something in us recoils at that answer and longs for a better one. I've gotten caught up in GRRM 's world which he is the god of. I recall reading that he labels himself a "lapsed Catholic. " Another source says he is an atheist. I ain't buyin' it! Reference to faith resounds in his work. The problem we have is preaching and practice are too often contradictory and we have an Enemy who is expert at exploiting our doubts. We become cynics and doubt that Absolute Good exists. He does {exist}, but having given us free will, He forces us to seek Him, or get frustrated and reject Him. And our experience of life can be so painful that we struggle to focus.
Enough of my ramblings. There is a verse 28: "So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation." Winter is coming? Jesus is coming....
god still isnt real no matter how many little words you use
Great commentary.
:) !!! Hodor.
This is such an underrated video. You nailed it to the bone. Well done!
Hodor😢😢😢
Hodor.
"What door?" - Bernard Lowe (Westworld)
Drudenfusz, nice profile pic
"Hold the Door!"
"and his girlfriend" *shows smeagle*
me -dies of laughter
*smeagol
That's honesty how they always play the S.O. In so many shows omfg. It's really horrible. It's just Bad writing.
The “goodbye brother” theme in the background got me😭💋
I love the video, amazing points!
The show thrown it all away the last couple seasons. Arya gets stabbed in the stomach multiple times, has some hot soup and bed rest and she's back to being a super ninja. Weiss and Benioff took a steaming dump all over GRRM's masterwork.
You said it 2 years ago
Today, it's more relevant than ever
"His girlfriend"=shows Gollum hahahaha
That was an amazingly well thought out and delivered video, so glad I subscribed!
This is only the second video I watch from you but I'm hooked. I really like your views, the meanings you tie to shows and themes, the connections you make. Thanks for making the world a little smarter.
Gotta love how he at 04:10 uses a picture of Smeagol from LOTR when he says girlfriend
the ending of this video gives me major goosebumps. Pure epicness.
This one and the one on Rick and Mory are terrific, but most of all, existentialist. Great work.
Thank you for this very well paced elaboration on the concepts behind the story. The details that include Martin's comment on his own books and the philosophy behind them was enlightening in the way you put them into the video.
It really made me look back on the story I'm piecing together and convinced me to subscribe.
I'm going to defend Tolkiens work although it comes second to Martins with respect to mortality of characters. I also want to point to sources of unexpectedness outside of death that Tolkien does a good job with.
I found the lotr the be unexpected in that a handful of characters that I did identify with died such as Théoden and Boromir. I found Gandalfs sacrifice against the Balrog to also have the same impact, some I believe even Martin himself said had an unexpected impact on him. I think its possible the whole lord of light resurrection may have been inspired by Gandalf but I digress. When I read the books as a boy I did feel concern for the characters, I did believe more of the followship was going to die and I thought Frodo himself was fucked. Even though he survived due to the Eagles his survival was cruel in that his wounds chipped away at the quality of his life... I believe Tolkien made this in reference to shell shock of world war one soldiers who survived conflicts.
Martin has said that the end of the lord of the rings was bitter sweet in spite of his criticisms (such as not seeing hoe Arragon would deal with ruling a kingdom, economy, disease, politics etc). At the end of the lord of the rings Frodo is fucked and has to leave middle earth so there were consequences for that character. The ent race is implied that it is going to die out. The Elfs leave middle earth and the Dwarfs too are dwindling leaving middle earth in the hands of man. The defeat of Sauron isn't painted as a completely happy ending.
The last thing I want to bring up is the children of Hurin by in Tolkiens history of middle earth. SPOLIERS: The main character dies as to many others across that story. I actually think the main characters death is worse than the how Ned Stark dies.
So I guess what I am saying is I consider Tolkien a close second to Martin in terms of using death as a means of bringing out unexpectedness in a story. I also an arguing that death alone is not necessarily required to bring about unexpectedness for character development that has negative outcomes for doing the right thing is also a big factor.
AtheistBulldozer yes
In LOTR, I always new who the good guys were and the bad guys were and who was going to live and die. Basically the same story that has been told literally trillions of times in human history.
+Sinbreaker I simply disagree. There is a reason that Tolkien is considered the father of fantasy. Hence I disagree that when LOTR was released it was merely the same story retold.
Stories that last the test of time are the ones that were unique with a anti-fragile characteristic to within the story.
Moral greyness existed within the LOTR. The most obvious being the character of Gollum /Sméagol. This is a character that murdered his own cousin, that is dangerous and motivated solely for selfish reasons. Yet as with all morally grey characters there is a redeeming characteristic which is one of the most important aspects of the story. Without the redeeming features of Sméagol the whole point of 'pity' loses its meaning in the story and it was the pity of this morally grey character that resulted in the one rings destruction. Fact is Frodo failed, he got to the top of the mountain and fucked up and he has to live with that guilt.
There is another thing you underestimate that is the nature of the one ring. I find the concept fascinating in that through a desire for power characters are twisted when they possess the ring. As I said Boromir was one of the interesting characters I didn't expect to die. He also started to lose the plot towards the end of his story in attempting to jack the ring from Frodo. Sure I knew he was a good guy but um no actually that wasn't certain in the story, he could have changed. Prior to the splitting of the fellowship there was a danger that members would stop being the 'good guys'.... in fact thats a big part of why Frodo up and left everyone.
Going back to Frodo, I KNEW when I was a kid that Frodo would screw up. Sure he was the good guy but he was deteriorating and it was getting worse the closer he got to mount doom. Hell I remember wondering if Sam was going to have to push him with the ring into that dam volcano. Gollum was grey, Frodo was going nuts and Sam seemed to be the only reliable good guy.
The great thing about the one ring is that it demonstrates how people can change for the worse and that is a pretty powerful characteristic of the novel. The thing about Gollum is, is there still redeemable aspects to ones nature after the pain said character has caused.
I just gotta say Tolkien wrote Darker stories than the LOTR. Spoilers for children of Hurin don't read if you don't want to know. In the tale Hurins son Turin is the main character- the start of the story is about Hurin getting owned fighting the then dark lord Morgoth who takes him alive and forces him to watch over his children in a magic chair knowing he will never have a life with them. Turin gets separated by his mother and sister at a very young age but gets raised by elfs. A racist Elf one day ticks off Turin in which he kills the Elf in self defence. Turin freaks out and runs away joining a band of men who are resistant fighters against Morgoth. One of the main Elfs who grew up with Turin joins his band. This main character is killed by Turin himself when he was captured by orcs... this Elf went to wake up Turin in his rescue attempt but the guy mistook him for an Orc and accidentally killed him.Turin at some point in the story joins an elfish city with a bridge that when raised prevents the city from being invaded. He is to marry the princess... but being an idiot he argues that they should take Morgoths army head on. Bridge is lowered... and Turin gets owned and the city is burned, the elf princess is murdered. The main antagonist is a wingless dragon known as Glaurung who can hypnotise his victims. Anyway while Turin is screwing up, his mother and sister get attacked by Glaurung - the mother escapes but the sister gets hermemory wiped when this dragons hypnotizes her He then lets her go free in this state. So..... guess what happens? Yep Turin finds his sister. He doesn't know she is his sister because he barely remembered her as a child and she herself has no memory of who she was.... so she doesn't recognise her brothers name 'Turin'. Annnnddd they fall in love, get married and she gets pregnant with his child, all the while Hurin is forced to watch. It gets better, Glaurung attacks their village and Turin goes to slay the dragon. He succeeds however Turins sister wife goes to the battle ground for she worries for her husband, she makes it just in time to see Turin standing over a mortally wounded Glaurung. Glaurung being a massive prick restores Turins sisters memory causing her to know the truth, Unable to take it she jumps off a cliff into the sea dying with the unborn child. Glaurung tells Turin he has been screwing his sister the whole time and then snuffs it. Finally Turin emotionally fucked commits suicide. This whole time Hurin the father has been forced to watch.......... The end. Yeahhhh Tolkien was really into black and white baby story telling........
On a more serious note the children of Hurin is way darker than the LOTR but doesn't mean dark = better. I still consider the LOTR to be as good as the children of Hurin and I consider Tolkiens works to be on Martins level, which to me speaks volumes as both writers came from different times. Whether the song of ice and fire series will survive the test of time is yet to be seen, though I think it will.
I'm with you on defending Tolkien. Including Martin's criticism of traditional fantasy isn't meant to be me slighting him. They lived through different contexts and upbringings. Martin wouldn't exist without him.
He has said in an interview that the Gandalf death took him by surprise and had an impact on him, but that Tolkien should have kept him dead instead of bringing him back to be even more powerful. For that reason, in fact, he has said that if he brings a character back, they must change in some dire way, and usually for the worse.
As for your other defenses, I agree with you. Never read History of Middle Earth, but I'm intrigued now. Thanks for the comment.
+Will Schoder
Children of Hurin is great. I spoil it in my response so unless you want to be spoiled don't read it. I stress spoiler prior to describing the dark aspects of that story.
He crossed the line, what did he see?
"Nothing."
"The passing of someone near to us brings us to a more authentic self."
So so fantastic, please keep doing these
Hodor? Hodor? Hodor... Hodor Hodor-Hodor...
"So long as men die, liberty shall never perish." -Charlie Chaplin
Big Z didn't he say dictators in that line instead of men? It's been a while since I watched that speech. It's amazing
Okan Draman Fairly sure it was men, but I could be wrong. it's an amazing speech though, it never fails to give me goosebumps.
Neat choice considering the actress that plays Talisa Stark.
Check out the inspiring use of Chaplin's speech in Paolo Nutini's song "Iron Sky." It will give you chills.
@@EziooAuditore it was probably In The Dictator.
My god that has to be the best GoT 'meaning' explanation video I have ever seen. This should be a must for everyone who has finished the series so far, it brings so much depth and explains so much of why we love the show.
Now I want to binge-watch the whole series again
I love your videos, great editing and so perfectly done, make me think about everything and question all my own existance. PLEASE never stop doing this videos. You deserve more viewers and subscribers. Im in in your train . cheers
'if everyone thinks your characters is a hero or your character is a villain then you're writing cardboard' - George RR Martin knows exactly how to write good characters and he is completely aware of it
This almost made me cry. fuck...this series will be historic, and its incredibly unique and REAL. Unforgettable
It's a shame about season 7. They've gone back to old tropes. John and Danny are unkillable or at least they will be until near the end. They've only killed side characters or characters that were being sidelined anyway. I suppose that's because it's the show and not George are writing the plot now.
Exactly. The showrunners are building the finale on top of old forum theories, so they are giving the public what they want, not necessarily a good ending or anything in character. I remember a friend saying "didn't they cut Jaime's right hand? Why does he have the left one with the gold glove-hand?" And that's when i knew it had reached the bottom.
Trishh Makes no actually George rr Martin told them how it ends before they even filmed season 1 , they books and tv show will have the same ending with only slightly different ways to get there as has been said my George and the show runners .
It’s not really a shame the show is amazing and the old tropes work and make the story good
@@chickennuggetchickenwing6972 lol
This is my favorite Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire video on the entire internet. Enough said right there, amazing work.
I watch your videos when I am sad, they always help me see the
insightfulness of life.
This is in large part why I do what I do. Thanks for the comment, dominick.
I just subscribed to you some 15 minutes ago. Was not expecting a video this soon. And one on my favorite series of all time no less!
Ho DOR
i feel very inspired! thank you for this wonderful piece of art :)
Those videos are incredible, looking forward for more. Awesome.
"If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"
- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
A really, really, really provoking analysis, Will. Keep it up.
Came here to further explore this channel's content, after one video with merit, to decide if l should subscribe. Frankly, I found this particular one not only one of the most insightful explorations of GoT, but also very effective in a number of other contexts. Decision made.
Notice how the characters appear at 1:06 to the rhythm? That's called love for detail :)
Great video!
How in the hell do you make such quintessential masterpieces?..!
Like which software, which microphone? This is paradisiacal work! Huge fan!
Thanks Swarmin! I use the Adobe programs for every video (Premiere/Photoshop/After Effects). Thanks for being such a fan.
Wow! Id didnt expect this vidoe be made so well done!
Very, very good video. You just earned a subscriber my friend.
I think the recent decrease in major character deaths has less to do with the books being translated onto the screen and more to do with the requirements of the third act of a narrative. We've spent a great deal of time with these characters now, and there's no more time to introduce and build up new characters who we could identify with. We literally can't tell the story without them. Also, if they get killed off now, we won't care about the ending. (They could still die *at* the ending, of course.)
Also, Martin's character-killing had stopped being surprising and become predictable. Basically around when Oberyn was killed it was a case of, "This again?" and people started expecting major characters to die. Jon's death worked because he was about as central a figure as possible and it was relatively late in the story - and he came back. Hodor's worked because it was heroic and it was a huge reveal about what might really be going on in Westeros.
Excellent reading, analysis, and presentation. Compliments all around
I wasn't ready for this
this video essays are gold !!
Stellar work. We need more.
"Whether by the sword or the slow decay of time, Aragorn will die. And there will be no comfort for you, no comfort to ease the pain of his passing. He will come to death an image of the splendor of the kings of men in glory undimmed before the breaking of the world. But you, my daughter, you will linger on, in darkness and in doubt, as nightfall in winter that comes without a star. Here you will dwell, bound to your grief, under the fading trees, until all the world is changed and the long years of your life are utterly spent."
- Elrond
This was really great Jill & Will! Thank you!
It´s a wonder you don´t have more views. Keep up the good work sir.
good, thoughtful video. gets right to the heart of asoiaf.
Really nice essay. LOVE your work.
Beautiful explanation. Loved it.
Got to say, his reluctance to rule matches Peter Jackson's Aragorn. JRR Tolkien's Aragorn recognizes that he was born to rule, and he was determined to return to Gondor. But that's a red herring.
Awesome video. :)
Another quality video ! Great job!
This is great content, thanks Will
I've never seen a more perfect explanation of why GoT is so good.
Film Aragorn had a reluctance to rule. Book Aragorn was ready and accepted that he would become king one day.
Unfortunately it seems like the show has forgotten about this in the last few seasons
this video is bloody brilliant
Really great work, best summary, i just realized what I love about this show. I really hope all Characters die, not because I hate them but because I love them. Everyone who died in this show made the show more remarkable. Again thanks for this amazing video :)
More people needed this perspective about fiction.
Crushed it again, Will! Keep it up buddy!
Thanks Mr. Meister.
Loved it! Keep them coming!
This video essay is INCREDIBLE!! Was it for an academic project for school or university? Or just for leisure and entertainment?
I actually have a video essay assignment coming up for university and am thinking of doing it on seasons 7-8 of Game of Thrones, so I've been looking around for examples of other video essays on GoT, and just want to say that yours is so inventive, insightful and superb!
Welp. You can tell this video was done before the last 2 seasons.
eventhough the death of characters may come unexpected, if you look back they earned their death by their actions. they made mistakes that had to lead to their unescapable end
Top notch editing! Absolutely loved it.
Thanks, Brian.
You had a X over Gendry, to my knowledge, by the TV show, he is still rowing.
In some kind I really hope that we will get a completely unpredictable ending, like the apocalypse coming to the world of men in form of the unstoppable army of the white walkers and the complete failure of jon, daenny, tyrion and all the others - or the sudden realization that the white walkers are actually the "good" in the story bringing salvation and peace or something really "crazy"...
Great Video! Makes me want to watch Game of Thrones again.
Excellent video, I loved it. I wish there was a no spoilers version so I could share it to my friends who haven't watch the show. No need to do another just bleep the spoily parts.
If there is such a thing as Team Littlefinger, I'm on it. Go Petyr!
subbed after the intro
This was fantastic
You sir are awesome
Absolutely lovely
Tyrion almost sums up your 15 min video in a sentence. Oppps wrote this before I got o 11:00 mins.... I wanted to help make your point.
“Death is so terribly final, while life is full of possibilities."
Good video though.
― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
This is art!
Mind-blowing video essay. :-)
I dislike how people keep saying that Ned, Robb and John’s honor is the cause of their deaths. It’s not the cause, being naive, underestimating your enemies and thinking they have the same moral code as you is what lead to their deaths. And sadly Jon didn’t learn from his mistakes. He allowed Ramsay Bolton to provoke him and if Sansa hadn’t gotten the knights of the vale he would be dead a second time. Only Sansa Stark has learned that you can be smart AND honorable at the same time. Unfortunately due to the directors bad storytelling Sansa is starting to go overboard with her connivery in the way she treats Daenerys when she had no reason to do so. If Dany were to do anything to her it would be because Sansa has shown her obvious disdain for her. Anyway I digress to say it is important to have honor because people will be more loyal to someone they trust and respect, however know your enemies and be prepared for them to not follow your code of honor at any time.
I'm a huge GoT fan. This is gold
Hodor! Hodor!!
love what your doing keep it up
Michael Bay at the end of the video: huh?
SEVERELY late to the party, I know.
I'm not entirely sure how I feel about the Series (book and tv) as a whole because, unlike many in my circle, I started to care LESS once I realized that everyone was expendable and nothing they did really - in the end - mattered in any significant way to the world. Sure, to those around them their beginning and inevitable end, had an impact but overall? To the world at large? It just made me less and less emotionally invested. Unlike my emotional investment towards Froddo and Sam. Perhaps the bleak and gray outlook - both morally and narratively - in the story just takes away from the awe of it all.
Then again, I consume books and television to escape the world in some small fashion. GoT is just, all too real. Dragons or no Dragons.
I wonder if Jon didn't completely die pr doesn't remember what he saw or even lied, because he said his father's ghost would come after him if he didn't protect Sansa.
dat opening
dat description
*Liked*
intro's on point 👌
WoW! that was a good video, keep it up.
such an amazing video
Seeing nothing does not put the fear of God into Jon Snow, more like the lack thereof. Jon knows there is nothing when we die thus, being forced to live his life for all its worth is what he will continue to do.
I’d love to meet the 117 people who disliked one of the best videos on TH-cam and just ask them, why?
Fantastic work Will. You have beautifully and accurately captured my feelings on the show and books better than I have ever been able to communicate. You have my respect. Seeing as this is the first video of yours that I have ever watched I would be remiss if I didn't ask if you yourself do any writing?
Great vid man
Great video!
This video is too good for this world. G R E A T J O B
well written.
How crazy would it be if by the end we find out Gentry is the star of the show and everyone else is killed off?
Beautiful
Woah that was deep
Shit, this is one of the deepest things I've seen...
love this.