G'day and greetings from Tasmania Australia 🇦🇺 thank you for showing and explaining the pros and cons of record cleaning, you explained it very well and how ultrasonic works with a chemical spray, I would like to know where I could get the chemical that you used. Once again thank you kind regards John Kinnane
Wow that’s a lot of work even if you can do 2 at a time. Then you have to buy new sleeves for all your records. Plus it’s £995 then new spray is £19.99 which looks like you have to use a lot of.
Restoration and removal of the release agent is the purpose of our machine... no surface cleaning. The back and forth cycles are required as the ionizing agent sprayed on the record washes off as the record spins, reverting the charge of the record to that of the water in the basin. Opposite charges attract, like charges repel. Hence the process to attract the result of cavitation to the record.
We are making a video with various sonics and explaining how sonics work and using both our 3D Keyence microscope, Sugar Cube to cunt clicks, and signal analyzer to show our removal of the release agent makes the difference as to your audition. Before and after restoration will be offered.
He says 70% solution alcohol. I bought some 100% (it says so on the bottle) isopropanol, so does that mean than instead of using recommended 1.4 ounce, I should just use one ounce?
No. 70% and 99% are made commercially where 70% is not made just by dilution. In emergencies such as during this pandemic, there is a formula one can use to make the dilution. It is on the web. FYI The alcohol in our process is used to kill both live and dormant fungus as it comes off the record. Thanks for asking!
Folks, this process probably does improve the sound quality of records. But it is not a magical solution. Why? Even if that machine rid every last molecule of debris and made the record 100% static free, etc, you are still at the mercy of the quality of that specific record. No two records sound the same. If they do, then your stereo is not of sufficient quality to reveal the differences and/or your listening skills are lacking. 80%+ of pressings have, at best, mediocre sound quality. 15%+ have very good sound quality. Only 1% or 2% have fantastic sound quality. And some records have zero chance to sound good, because 100% of the run sucks (like Meatloaf's Bat Out Of Hell -- they screwed up every single pressings). If you take the time and effort (and $$) to purchase dozens of copies of the exact same record (and focus on stamper codes (if you know which ones) that are known to usually sound better), you will usually eventually find one that stands out as a sonic gem -- and probably on only one of the two side -- you will have to keep hunting for great sound quality for the other side. Now, if you clean that sonic gem on a traditional and inexpensive record cleaner, it will sound better than cleaning the others on the NASA inspired record cleaner in this video. Also, if you do not professionally set up your turntable (and I mean really get it dialed in accurately), then even the best sounding records will not sound their best (they might even not sound very good, if one or more vectors of your stylus is misaligned). You must, must, must dial in the effective length of the tone-arm, the cartridge's weight, the vertical tracking alignment, the anti-skating, the overhang, the offset, the zenith angle, and the azimuth. The above is not simple, and it is very time consuming. But it will make a huge improvement for all of your records (more so than any cleaning will do). So where does the state-of-the-art machine (in this video) come in? If you have some hard to find sonic gems (white hot stamper pressings), and your turntable is dialed in as described above, then this record cleaning machine will fulfill the final step in achieving analog nirvana. Or to put the above another way: In life, there are many ways to improve upon something. In most cases, you have to compromise and choose what will get you the best results for your efforts (and for your hard earned $$). If you want to go all-out, with no compromises, then this machine is a must. But if you do not feed it cherry picked quality pressings (and most pressings have nothing special sound quality) and play those pressings on a turntable that can do justice to those pressings, then such cleanings are overkill (a cleaning with a traditional machine will do 90%+ of the job). That last 10% is important, but not if you fall short with quality pressings and fall short with turntable set-up. Cheers!
Indeed. As to records pressed: The restoration process described removes the release agent from the record. It is not a surface cleaning system, (although it can be used as such with a single 5 minute cycle.) The premise is if the needle makes better contact with the details in the groove, (hidden by the release agent), we then hear and feel the breath of the pressing as it should be. To aid in release agent removal, we need to change the charge of the record so as to attract the plasma wave created by cavitation. Records and distilled water with or without a soap in the basin have the same respective charge. The application of an ionizing agent changes the potential difference temporarily to attract the wave into the grooves brushing against the ionizing surfactant cleaner. The charge is "washed off" as the record spins, so the reason for multiple cycles.
Thanks for the comments. Our premise is to remove the release agent from New or vintage pressings. This provides for the system attributes presented. We do not focus with our ionization of the record surface cleaning. Thanks again!
I had to do this with my 2600 records, 2600x10min are 433 hours are 18 days ( 24 hour cleaning, no toilet breaks), this would stop me collecting vinyl. I rather accept a click here and there and use my Knosti that costs me 50,--.
It is a one of a kind transcript record made that can be played only 5 times before degradation. It evaluated for its historical attribute and insurance purposes.
Bob from Bob's Devices and I have had a great response at trade shows using the lab coat to attract show attendees. Like what Sony and Denon did decades ago. Everyone gets a kick out of it. LAB coats aside, both of our products are highly regarded for what they do. Thanks for your note!
I used one for 1 week now and the result is very disappointing. Not only it takes ages to clean records I spent 1,5 h to clean 2 records and still there was crack sounds on the records. Then I pushed the brush a bit harder to clean better witch resulted in scratches so the records we´re destroyed. In another video he says: "One 9 $ bottle lasts for 300 records" That´s the biggest lie I heard in HiFi business. The bottle costs bout 25 $ in Europe and lasted me for 5-6 records so it´s terrible expensive too!
I do agree this is bullshit in this video i have records 30+ years old overplayed never used any cleaning fluid just the antistatic brush and they are very good just remember guys to replace the stylus when it's time cause worn out stulus damages the records
Please consult our web site and follow the directions. We offer a 1.3 to 4 dB gain on processing records depending on the provenance of the record. A new record takes 18 minutes to process, a fixed time. Consult our Supplement Number 3. We process 4 records at a time. With 2 or 3 lp's concurrently. . The consumables cost is 26 US cents per record.
Bullshit just handle with care of your records use the antistatic brush and replace in time the styluses that's the best for me , never used fluids on most of my records { in some i have } they leave stuff behind I have recods more than 30 years old which never used any kind of cleaning fluids on them and they are like brand new . what i saw here is complete exageration
I realise that it's tempting for you to advertise your products in the comments of everyone's videos, and spread a whole bunch of misinformation and pseudoscience in a giant wall of text. You've put so much nonsense into such a tighly packed, poorly worded and confusing paragraph that it would take forever to respond to every bonkers, made-up statement that you've just dropped in the comments. but I can easily address a few. As you'll notice on the listening before and after test, there are no pops or clicks on the cleaned version, so there goes at least one of your made-up fake terms like 'microwelding'. 'release agent' is something you've made up and continue to repeat, despite actual chemists and vinyl press operators trying to correct you. The record label is not damaged at all with the 'skewering' method as you call it. If it damaged it, then any normal use of putting a record on a record player spindle would damage it. You mention having a 'patented kirmuss method' constantly, however the only patent I can find that you have for the machine is simply the part that holds and spins the record. While I think that's neat, and good on you for making it, it changes nothing for the cleaning process apart from limiting how many records are cleaned at once. I only cleaned one record at a time in this video so... problem solved. You can mention 'ionizing agent' in an attempt to sound plausible all you want, but I'm not seeing any evidence. Basically you'll need more than a cheap lab coat and clip board costume to convince people that your method is anything but an elaborate ruse tacked on to a normal ultrasonic cleaner (that is doing all the work, not your shaving brush and foaming cream). And the same goes for your nonsense cables.
You are more than welcome to set up an appointment and visit our office and use our Keyence 3D VHX microscope to measure records before and after processing as to release agent coating and the like. Everyone can have their own opinion. Deoending on the provenance of the record, our process does offer between 1.3 and 4 dB gain over floor. You can easily see this if you have a cassette or reel to reel tape recorder to see the effects of groove restoration. Validated globally by technical reviews written by respected experts in the field, results of our process have seen respected audio manufacturers such as Helix, Oracle, Jeff Rowlands Designs, Audio Note (and their ambassador Vincent Belanger, renowned Cellist), among others, process their own records or those of visiting audiophiles to their demo rooms with our machine before auditioning them at various trade shows in their studios and on their equipment. Appreciate your note. Japanese and German audiophiles are very discerning. We are recognized as a restoration process, not a surface cleaner. The proof is in the pudding. Everyone can have their own opinion.
No thanks...will stick with my Spin Clean....is it the best....no.....does it get the album totally clean....no.....BUT....I buy so many records every month it does the trick. Was getting dizzy watching this video with all the various steps and all the liquids (which I will have to constantly replace) It might be a great product but definitely do not have the patience or time. 🙈🙉 On a side note....close your eyes and listen....he sounds just like Dan Aykroyd from SNL circa 1976 🤔🤔🤔
Dude collecting music in LPs CDs or cassettes is a passion and you own the physical product which nothing has to do with the stupidity here in this video .
I heard a record cleaned with this process. I was stunned!
Great price on an ultrasonic récord cleaner! It looks like a quality machine.
Pretty sure this guy is a Ghostbuster
G'day and greetings from Tasmania Australia 🇦🇺 thank you for showing and explaining the pros and cons of record cleaning, you explained it very well and how ultrasonic works with a chemical spray, I would like to know where I could get the chemical that you used. Once again thank you kind regards John Kinnane
This guys attitude puts me off along with the price
Wow that’s a lot of work even if you can do 2 at a time. Then you have to buy new sleeves for all your records. Plus it’s £995 then new spray is £19.99 which looks like you have to use a lot of.
Restoration and removal of the release agent is the purpose of our machine... no surface cleaning. The back and forth cycles are required as the ionizing agent sprayed on the record washes off as the record spins, reverting the charge of the record to that of the water in the basin. Opposite charges attract, like charges repel. Hence the process to attract the result of cavitation to the record.
The inventor just talked me out of his solution. I will look at something like a Degritter, it’s more expensive but it has a drying process.
The degritter runs at 120khz tho
A restored record comes out virtually dry, no need for a fan to dry what came off the record that sits in the water, filter or no filter
London Drugs near me in Vancouver BC has these for about $1200
have you bought it? is that worth the extra work? I use VPI cyclone and now considering upgrading..
Hi Mares, is it any possible to spred your knowledge here in Eastern Europe?
It is really only possible to see what is in the grooves by looking with a magnifier.
Too bad there's no before and after to hear it.
We are making a video with various sonics and explaining how sonics work and using both our 3D Keyence microscope, Sugar Cube to cunt clicks, and signal analyzer to show our removal of the release agent makes the difference as to your audition. Before and after restoration will be offered.
ROBUST is right !! will try the surfactant
He says 70% solution alcohol. I bought some 100% (it says so on the bottle) isopropanol, so does that mean than instead of using recommended 1.4 ounce, I should just use one ounce?
No. 70% and 99% are made commercially where 70% is not made just by dilution. In emergencies such as during this pandemic, there is a formula one can use to make the dilution. It is on the web. FYI The alcohol in our process is used to kill both live and dormant fungus as it comes off the record. Thanks for asking!
Folks, this process probably does improve the sound quality of records. But it is not a magical solution. Why? Even if that machine rid every last molecule of debris and made the record 100% static free, etc, you are still at the mercy of the quality of that specific record.
No two records sound the same. If they do, then your stereo is not of sufficient quality to reveal the differences and/or your listening skills are lacking. 80%+ of pressings have, at best, mediocre sound quality. 15%+ have very good sound quality. Only 1% or 2% have fantastic sound quality. And some records have zero chance to sound good, because 100% of the run sucks (like Meatloaf's Bat Out Of Hell -- they screwed up every single pressings).
If you take the time and effort (and $$) to purchase dozens of copies of the exact same record (and focus on stamper codes (if you know which ones) that are known to usually sound better), you will usually eventually find one that stands out as a sonic gem -- and probably on only one of the two side -- you will have to keep hunting for great sound quality for the other side.
Now, if you clean that sonic gem on a traditional and inexpensive record cleaner, it will sound better than cleaning the others on the NASA inspired record cleaner in this video.
Also, if you do not professionally set up your turntable (and I mean really get it dialed in accurately), then even the best sounding records will not sound their best (they might even not sound very good, if one or more vectors of your stylus is misaligned).
You must, must, must dial in the effective length of the tone-arm, the cartridge's weight, the vertical tracking alignment, the anti-skating, the overhang, the offset, the zenith angle, and the azimuth.
The above is not simple, and it is very time consuming. But it will make a huge improvement for all of your records (more so than any cleaning will do).
So where does the state-of-the-art machine (in this video) come in?
If you have some hard to find sonic gems (white hot stamper pressings), and your turntable is dialed in as described above, then this record cleaning machine will fulfill the final step in achieving analog nirvana.
Or to put the above another way:
In life, there are many ways to improve upon something. In most cases, you have to compromise and choose what will get you the best results for your efforts (and for your hard earned $$). If you want to go all-out, with no compromises, then this machine is a must. But if you do not feed it cherry picked quality pressings (and most pressings have nothing special sound quality) and play those pressings on a turntable that can do justice to those pressings, then such cleanings are overkill (a cleaning with a traditional machine will do 90%+ of the job). That last 10% is important, but not if you fall short with quality pressings and fall short with turntable set-up.
Cheers!
Indeed. As to records pressed: The restoration process described removes the release agent from the record. It is not a surface cleaning system, (although it can be used as such with a single 5 minute cycle.) The premise is if the needle makes better contact with the details in the groove, (hidden by the release agent), we then hear and feel the breath of the pressing as it should be. To aid in release agent removal, we need to change the charge of the record so as to attract the plasma wave created by cavitation. Records and distilled water with or without a soap in the basin have the same respective charge. The application of an ionizing agent changes the potential difference temporarily to attract the wave into the grooves brushing against the ionizing surfactant cleaner. The charge is "washed off" as the record spins, so the reason for multiple cycles.
Thanks for the comments. Our premise is to remove the release agent from New or vintage pressings. This provides for the system attributes presented. We do not focus with our ionization of the record surface cleaning. Thanks again!
I had to do this with my 2600 records, 2600x10min are 433 hours are 18 days ( 24 hour cleaning, no toilet breaks), this would stop me collecting vinyl. I rather accept a click here and there and use my Knosti that costs me 50,--.
Restoration is not surface cleaning. If you want to surface clean, it is a single 5 minute process for up to 4 records simultaneously.
I tuned out when he said the glass record is worth nearly $100 thousand. BS!
It is a one of a kind transcript record made that can be played only 5 times before degradation. It evaluated for its historical attribute and insurance purposes.
Respectfully' acetate records are rare. They go between 10k and 400k.
@@kirmussaudio7578 Some people just don't understand the value of historic vinyl records.
Why is this guy wearing white gown like he works for NASA Very funny it’s just a damn vinyl Hhahaha Oldies for real.
Bob from Bob's Devices and I have had a great response at trade shows using the lab coat to attract show attendees. Like what Sony and Denon did decades ago. Everyone gets a kick out of it. LAB coats aside, both of our products are highly regarded for what they do. Thanks for your note!
I used one for 1 week now and the result is very disappointing. Not only it takes ages to clean records I spent 1,5 h to clean 2 records and still there was crack sounds on the records. Then I pushed the brush a bit harder to clean better witch resulted in scratches so the records we´re destroyed. In another video he says: "One 9 $ bottle lasts for 300 records" That´s the biggest lie I heard in HiFi business. The bottle costs bout 25 $ in Europe and lasted me for 5-6 records so it´s terrible expensive too!
did you mean the surfactant which costs that much? It seems that it is used many times in cleaning just one record.
Remember! You are not cleaning you are restoring your records! 🙄
@@renzonovara2728 xD
I do agree this is bullshit in this video i have records 30+ years old overplayed never used any cleaning fluid just the antistatic brush and they are very good just remember guys to replace the stylus when it's time cause worn out stulus damages the records
Please consult our web site and follow the directions. We offer a 1.3 to 4 dB gain on processing records depending on the provenance of the record. A new record takes 18 minutes to process, a fixed time. Consult our Supplement Number 3. We process 4 records at a time. With 2 or 3 lp's concurrently. . The consumables cost is 26 US cents per record.
Bullshit just handle with care of your records use the antistatic brush and replace in time the styluses that's the best for me ,
never used fluids on most of my records { in some i have } they leave stuff behind
I have recods more than 30 years old which never used any kind of cleaning fluids on them and they are like brand new .
what i saw here is complete exageration
I realise that it's tempting for you to advertise your products in the comments of everyone's videos, and spread a whole bunch of misinformation and pseudoscience in a giant wall of text.
You've put so much nonsense into such a tighly packed, poorly worded and confusing paragraph that it would take forever to respond to every bonkers, made-up statement that you've just dropped in the comments. but I can easily address a few.
As you'll notice on the listening before and after test, there are no pops or clicks on the cleaned version, so there goes at least one of your made-up fake terms like 'microwelding'.
'release agent' is something you've made up and continue to repeat, despite actual chemists and vinyl press operators trying to correct you.
The record label is not damaged at all with the 'skewering' method as you call it. If it damaged it, then any normal use of putting a record on a record player spindle would damage it.
You mention having a 'patented kirmuss method' constantly, however the only patent I can find that you have for the machine is simply the part that holds and spins the record. While I think that's neat, and good on you for making it, it changes nothing for the cleaning process apart from limiting how many records are cleaned at once. I only cleaned one record at a time in this video so... problem solved.
You can mention 'ionizing agent' in an attempt to sound plausible all you want, but I'm not seeing any evidence.
Basically you'll need more than a cheap lab coat and clip board costume to convince people that your method is anything but an elaborate ruse tacked on to a normal ultrasonic cleaner (that is doing all the work, not your shaving brush and foaming cream). And the same goes for your nonsense cables.
You are more than welcome to set up an appointment and visit our office and use our Keyence 3D VHX microscope to measure records before and after processing as to release agent coating and the like. Everyone can have their own opinion. Deoending on the provenance of the record, our process does offer between 1.3 and 4 dB gain over floor. You can easily see this if you have a cassette or reel to reel tape recorder to see the effects of groove restoration. Validated globally by technical reviews written by respected experts in the field, results of our process have seen respected audio manufacturers such as Helix, Oracle, Jeff Rowlands Designs, Audio Note (and their ambassador Vincent Belanger, renowned Cellist), among others, process their own records or those of visiting audiophiles to their demo rooms with our machine before auditioning them at various trade shows in their studios and on their equipment. Appreciate your note. Japanese and German audiophiles are very discerning. We are recognized as a restoration process, not a surface cleaner. The proof is in the pudding. Everyone can have their own opinion.
No thanks...will stick with my Spin Clean....is it the best....no.....does it get the album totally clean....no.....BUT....I buy so many records every month it does the trick. Was getting dizzy watching this video with all the various steps and all the liquids (which I will have to constantly replace) It might be a great product but definitely do not have the patience or time. 🙈🙉
On a side note....close your eyes and listen....he sounds just like Dan Aykroyd from SNL circa 1976 🤔🤔🤔
Totally agree where surface cleaning is just that. Our process focuses on the removal of the release agent from the pressing process.
I can solve all your problems and save you time and $$$, it's called streaming music LOL!
Dude collecting music in LPs CDs or cassettes is a passion and you own the physical product which nothing has to do with the stupidity here in this video .
Streaming media is good but this is the way we get rid appreciate the fun of playing media.