FAKE OR FORTUNE SE7EO2 NICHOLASON

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2018
  • Fiona Bruce teams up with art expert Philip Mould to investigate mysteries behind paintings.Can the team prove that a beautiful still life of a glass jug and pears is the work of celebrated British artist William Nicholson? The investigation began when viewer Lyn got in touch to ask for our help - a painting she owns recently suffered a fatal blow when it was rejected by the leading authority on William Nicholson and was left out of the artist's latest catalogue raisonnee - the official list of all his known worksAs the team delve back into the provenance of the painting, they come across an alarming find - could this painting have been involved in one of the great art crimes of the 20th century? Fiona meets reformed art forger John Myatt to find out if he ever faked a Nicholson.
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  • @MikeD0011
    @MikeD0011 5 ปีที่แล้ว +414

    Wow. Why would Nicholson title someone else's work though? Sounds like Ms. Reed is too embarrassed to correct her mistake and is willing to rob that woman and art world to maintain her pride.

    • @jinjahlilly1557
      @jinjahlilly1557 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Agreed

    • @Cyberlucy
      @Cyberlucy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Exactly

    • @philippenachtergal6077
      @philippenachtergal6077 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Text is little enough that someone can have duplicated the handwriting. It wouldn't be the first time that a painting done by a friend or student of a master painter later got "signed" by a forger. If you think about it, a forger without real painting talent would precisely be on the hunt for such paintings to apply a signature and forge provenance. What would have been interesting is if they could have pushed the investigation to see if it could have been done by one of those students.

    • @UltimateBreloom
      @UltimateBreloom 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@philippenachtergal6077 But the thumb print was done when the white was still wet.

    • @ricardofernandes9695
      @ricardofernandes9695 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Agreed!

  • @notwhereyouthink
    @notwhereyouthink 5 ปีที่แล้ว +267

    To reject this painting based on overwhelming evidence to the contrary is inexplicable. Reed is clearly trying to salvage her reputation here but in so doing has ultimately destroyed it.

    • @andreaandrea6716
      @andreaandrea6716 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      I had the same exact thought. Thank you for voicing this.

    • @gurucarcar
      @gurucarcar ปีที่แล้ว +24

      agreed. what student would sign their painting as their teacher's? Arrogance.

    • @TheLisclark
      @TheLisclark ปีที่แล้ว +29

      This whole scenario struck me as a petty vengeance, especially considering the previous authority was a family member of the owner.

    • @bethbartlett5692
      @bethbartlett5692 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      My comment on that very subject:
      *The Art World recognizes the greater truths, and I would suspect that individual, exercising their Power, may have well sealed their own Faux ...*
      An Ego stands between fact and one's inability to discern their own inability to admit error.
      That's the "Human reality that requires Maturing", and this is what's relative to all our own experiencing harmony.
      a Sociologist/Behavioralist
      and Historian

    • @chipwalter4490
      @chipwalter4490 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      She is acting like a French. All these other English people are dismantling her in real-time though. Her career is on thin ice.
      She better hope she is funneling enough money through certified sales by Christie’s, Southerby’s,whoever, to the Nicholason trust or estate or whatever it is, for the keep up. (Of the paying-offs and the open corruption we’re all so used to seeing in this day & age.)
      Because that is the only way her position could possibly be maintained after this sledgehammer diagram has been applied to her “opinion”.

  • @ovh992
    @ovh992 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    The idea that a student of Nicholson picked up an old canvas from Nicholson's paint box and then painted the same scene and then signed Nicholson's name on it is ABSURD and LUDICROUS! I think Fake or Fortune have established themselves as the new Catalog Raisoné.

  • @J.Cameron.Stuart.Adams.
    @J.Cameron.Stuart.Adams. 5 ปีที่แล้ว +175

    Reed is no more an expert than Lyn's aunt was. As it stands there are two experts with differing opinions. In this instance, the physical facts are enough to prove it to be genuine. Show me his student's works with the same scratch marks, identical signature, and his writing on the back. The answer, you won't find any. Did Churchill sign his works as Nicholson? No. Did Churchill copy Nicholson's scratch technique? Not that I've seen. Artists have their own techniques to set them apart from their contemporaries. Therefore, Nicholson wouldn't have allowed a student to copy his signature or technique. We inspire others to find their own style and branding. This piece is not amateur. The artist responsible is highly skilled. When Nicholson and Churchill painted together, their individual painting styles and techniques are distinguishable and obvious. They were not copying one another.
    If Reed truly believes what she's saying, versus doing her best to save face, then the authenticity of the other painting "jug and fruit" is now suspect. It's my opinion, they were both painted by Nicholson. He was either simply trying his hand at abstract after painting the original, or was commissioned to paint the abstract version after someone saw the Glass Jug paint.
    I don't know of any artist who's sighed another artist's work. Let along allowed another artist copy their signature. All the evidence is there for another expert to give the painting a seal of approval. After all, her aunt had done so years before. Furthermore, had another artist painted the picture, they certainly would have signed it themselves! Reed simply refuses to accept responsibility for her own ill judgement. I would sue Reed for the lost value of the picture. After all, the evidence speaks for itself. Many artists experiment with techniques. Hence several works in different styles of the same or similar subject matter. Reed can not definitely say this picture is not authentic. Many "experts" and institutions have been duped or wrong time and time again. Many works have been accepted on much less physical evidence. Unless there is a 110% verifiable catalogue of all his works, written in by the artist,, nobody, with the amount of verified proof in favor of this picture, can say with certainty this is not one of his painting.
    If we were to take Reed's decision as fact rather than opinion, we'd have grounds to wipe out the value of 1000's of works. I will say it again, no artist would allow a student to sign the work in their style. Certainly not with the same initial. The same initial and his own handwriting on the back is too coincidental.
    Reed's decision has infuriated me. It is "expert's" like Reed who've thrown away true masterpieces. Masterpieces later deemed genuine.
    Cheers!

    • @and__lam1152
      @and__lam1152 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      To play devil's advocate..... the picture went through the notorious forger of provenance gallery. He would have the eye and knowledge to have seen the thumb print under signature in known works. Easily applied at a later date to a "school of" work
      That being said why would the diamond dealer buy the picture pre 1970s without the signature?
      Would love to see a follow up series as to what the status of limbo pictures is

    • @annereidy7981
      @annereidy7981 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, in light of the evidence, I thought her reasoning a bit imbecilic.

    • @patriciamsmith409
      @patriciamsmith409 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Very well said I totally agree

    • @Schlei602
      @Schlei602 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Agree totally. Greetings from an educated artist.

    • @chipwalter4490
      @chipwalter4490 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      She is absolutely corrupt. I guess the family assigns her to gatekeeping somehow. She must coordinate sales through the auction houses and everyone is happy with their role in the payola. I like the point you’ve made about the Canadian water jug. She better throw that one out of her next catalogue, lol!
      (some one’s gona come at her with a hockey stick)

  • @annereidy7981
    @annereidy7981 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    When she refused to deliver her verdict in person, I knew what she had decided. She couldn't show her face, in light of all the evidence she was dismissing to reach her conclusion

  • @ianscott4699
    @ianscott4699 3 ปีที่แล้ว +155

    how does one person hold such power over a painting to say its authentic or not is just ridiculous

    • @VisionaryGardener
      @VisionaryGardener ปีที่แล้ว +31

      That's what I find so incredible - that one single person, with their ego, motivations, and imperfections could actually be allowed to hold that kind of power! It's ridiculous. I think the painting in question is NICER than the one in the Canadian gallery. I like the light in it better. It feels like the Canadian one is him returning to an old subject to play with it, maybe influenced by his son's work in abstraction.

    • @andreaandrea6716
      @andreaandrea6716 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@VisionaryGardener Agreed! Oh, and well done! I think you may have something there (father influenced by son)!

    • @deborahthomas3475
      @deborahthomas3475 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      One day someone else will be in her position and your evidence is on the record

    • @skiker4560
      @skiker4560 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Totally agree. 😢

    • @Schlei602
      @Schlei602 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agree

  • @victoriacorcoran1258
    @victoriacorcoran1258 5 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    I don't think this is the last we will hear about this painting somehow !

  • @devindevon
    @devindevon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +264

    This was an open and shut case, that painting is a 100% genuine Nicholason, the evidence for it is overwhelming. It's also a fantastic painting, To hell with Ms. Reed.

    • @karens5904
      @karens5904 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      I think it is a much more beautiful painting than the ''real'' Nicholson. I would prefer to have this one on my wall than the other !

    • @HannibalFan52
      @HannibalFan52 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@karens5904 And who says an artist can't do more than one version of the same painting? Other artists do it all the time. Ms. Reed should know that.

    • @ek7593
      @ek7593 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Devin Devon: You hit the nail, dear. Love from Southern Europe. Thanks a lot.

    • @wildandbarefoot
      @wildandbarefoot 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      The Canada painting could be by Churchill.

    • @anadelemos1771
      @anadelemos1771 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Miss Reed don't understand about art neither Nicholson art work.
      That person don't deserve so much trust or prestige it's a walking failure with no brain.

  • @howdy268
    @howdy268 5 ปีที่แล้ว +182

    Such blatant arrogance by Patricia Reed by supposedly expert person refusing too admit that she got it wrong ... Ridiculous

    • @ek7593
      @ek7593 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      And they all stick together...

    • @harveythepooka
      @harveythepooka ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You hit the nail on the head. She refuses to admit she got it wrong.

    • @thinkaboutit6832
      @thinkaboutit6832 ปีที่แล้ว

      Art snobbery is top of the chain....Many of the art experts are so far stuck up their own behinds!

  • @marthajimenez9334
    @marthajimenez9334 5 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    This was such an unfair case! despite all the incredible evidence. The system needs to change; the value and scientific evidence should be senior to what the experts like or not.. Especially if she does not want to admit she is wrong. I truly admire and trust Lillian Browse opinion on this painting.

  • @emmahardesty4330
    @emmahardesty4330 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Blew me away too. Fiona and Philip are absolutely correct. The decree was maddening to hear. This painting will find its place again someday. How could it not?!

  • @toml671
    @toml671 5 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    The expert was upset that she had the "ugly" painting of the two and really did not want anymore
    side by side comparisons. So the better painting of the two was nullified as not genuine. I
    would have another expert look at it.

  • @gp75460
    @gp75460 5 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    In this particular case I don't think that if they had the hand written bill of sale from the artist, a signed statement of authenticity from Nicholson, photographic evidence and Nicholson's actual DNA in the picture that Reed and co. would accept this painting. I think this is more about sour grapes and axe grinding than anything else. The unfortunate thing is that the niece is caught in the middle and paying one heck of a price, 165,000 pounds for professional animosity.

    • @carolweideman1905
      @carolweideman1905 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Well, said.

    • @algini12
      @algini12 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      No, she wouldn't accept it. She'd bring up Nicholson's students again.

    • @bodyofhope
      @bodyofhope 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Exactly.
      I don't quite understand how only single individual authenticates these works. Is that a common practice in the UK?

  • @hongsienkwee537
    @hongsienkwee537 5 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    What an explnation by Patricia Reed, as if other students could have painted it on Nicholson's board, and let him sign it???

  • @hatakashi1900
    @hatakashi1900 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Ms Reed is a disgrace...she didn't even have the guts to turn up in person.

  • @Prabhu_njd
    @Prabhu_njd 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I think patricia reed has got some vengeance against the owner's aunt that she is so adamant on not admitting the fact that this painting is legit and should be rightfully included in the catalog raisonne.

  • @heartofroxas877
    @heartofroxas877 5 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Lovely Patricia Reed,
    in 20 years this picture will be accepted as a real work.
    And your name will be forgotten.
    That‘s sadly the sweet truth.

  • @cazfarri
    @cazfarri 5 ปีที่แล้ว +162

    I hate to say this, but after seeing this episode, and some where the "Wildenstein Institute" is involved, show that the art world can be as petty as a bunch of high-school children.

    • @p5rsona
      @p5rsona 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Where there are people, there is pettiness.

    • @algini12
      @algini12 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I wouldn't call the Wildenstein petty. But I would call them overly nostalgic which is just as bad. I can't remember which painting or raisonne it belonged to. But that guy saying it didn't belong because his dead father, repeat DEAD FATHER said it didn't, despite having enormous evidence that it does, takes it to another level. That being filial duty to the father taken to the level of stupidity. I've seen some idiotic decisions made by people in my life, as I am sure you have. But having watched that episode several years ago, that decision still ranks as the most idiotic I have ever seen in my entire life.

    • @gingipw
      @gingipw ปีที่แล้ว +2

      More like mafia

    • @thehipbeekatherine9520
      @thehipbeekatherine9520 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would have to agree. After all Reed is the runner up expert to the very person who sold this painting to the now owner. Student wanting to outshine teacher?!?

  • @mixsetup
    @mixsetup 4 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    No wonder she refused to give her verdict in person, as she still refuses to admit she most likely is wrong. I think it is unreal how in so many cases it is all up to just one person to say it is an original or not.

    • @Schlei602
      @Schlei602 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, it says everything that that woman not had the backbone to give her negative verdict in person.

    • @genicabre
      @genicabre ปีที่แล้ว

      Especially when she wasn't even there when it was painted to prove it was not painted by Nicholson!

  • @mayonaissse
    @mayonaissse ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Admittedly this is the first I've heard of William Nicholson as an artist, but it's very clear that the delicacy and poetry that is present in the Begonias which Phillip pointed out is present in all his works, including Glass Jug. Glass Jug caught my breath from the get-go and I can see why Lyn was so attached to it and I truly believe it has more of the artist's spirit than the authentic one in Ottawa. I'm infuriated by the final verdict but also happy to have found a new rabbithole of an artist to pursue.

  • @stude1953
    @stude1953 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    If Nicholason was standing there and said he painted it, that 'expert' would tell him "No you didn't"!!

  • @dorotheainmiddle
    @dorotheainmiddle 5 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    Did Patricia Reed know Aunt Lillian and dislike her?

    • @carolweideman1905
      @carolweideman1905 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I think there is jealousy involved in the verdict.

    • @olga138
      @olga138 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I think you've hit the nail on the head. Lillian was known throughout the London art world and was respected by many artists and collectors. Ms. Reed is an "expert" on this particular artist, but she isn't famous or wealthy or beloved by many.

  • @Cyberlucy
    @Cyberlucy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    I'm sorry but the one in Canada is not nearly as good as the one she owns.

    • @gp75460
      @gp75460 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Which is the rub when it concerns art. 2 pictures with about a 99.9% chance of being by the same artist one worth pennies while the other is worth hundreds of thousands of dollars only because one is attributed and one is not. No way that should happen. The value of the art should be in the value of its composition, execution and theme not because Famous X painted it. This has always bothered me. Even great artists have bad days and failures. The art world doesn't seem to admit this.

    • @carolweideman1905
      @carolweideman1905 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@gp75460, I like the Painting in Canada better but that is my taste. What this program proved was petty jealousy on the part of a woman who refuses to admit she is wrong. I disagree the value of art should be based on composition and execution. That is very subject and personal thing.

    • @elipotter369
      @elipotter369 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think the Canadian picture is MUCH better. It is laid out very very well and has some lovely lyrical lines and aesthetic shapes. I thought the other was a fake all along, but I didn't see the writing the "expert" looked at for handwriting and the signature process seemed genuine, so did the appearance of the back.

  • @jhunifiedwithlove9750
    @jhunifiedwithlove9750 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    And here I am again after 2 years … Rewatching this episode really makes me feel UGH…
    Hundreds and thousands of money will be wasted because of some subjective decisions.
    Like the episode on Monet’s painting. Even if it was pretty obvious. I feel for the woman. She seems like a very nice person.
    I hope she or the painting gets the justice it deserves in the future.

    • @cruisepaige
      @cruisepaige ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I hope she gets redemption. The painting is exquisite.

    • @jhunifiedwithlove9750
      @jhunifiedwithlove9750 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cruisepaige I hope so too… 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽❤️👼🙏🏽🥂

    • @patriciawicken5949
      @patriciawicken5949 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I hope so too. The answer will obviously be in the provenance. I hope she continues to search for where the painting was before the diamond merchant acquired it.

  • @anteeker
    @anteeker ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I don`t understand why the art world ultimately takes the word of a single person in a case like this when so many others have proven otherwise. With all the evidence that they had, why take the word of this "expert". Who made her the only one to decide? Just because she wrote a book?

  • @garmo98
    @garmo98 5 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Those who can do, and those who can't call themselves art experts. I think it boils down to not being willing to admit a mistake. Reed's explanation as to why she believes the painting isn't genuine reads like the outline for a story assignment for a university creative writing course. The fact she declined to appear on camera tells me she doesn't believe her own argument.

    • @f_youtubecensorshipf_nazis
      @f_youtubecensorshipf_nazis ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually those who can do teach because they feel the weight of responsibility of their talent.
      That colloquialism is nonsense. Einstein taught, so too did Hawking and Chomsky, Plato and Marx.
      Those we can exceptionally well also teach and it's been true from the moment humans learned something.

    • @team3383
      @team3383 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nor did she want to be recognised on TV as the "expert" that tells tales and lies.
      If she were so sure of herself she would have grown a pair of balls and stood up to her assessment in front of the camera. Proof in it's self that she is a ..... wait for it: FAKE. Lol.

    • @RomanKoglerGeomrtricMind
      @RomanKoglerGeomrtricMind ปีที่แล้ว +3

      exactly! this is ridiculous! its 100% Nicholason ! how can one person have anyways power to say yes or no!

    • @hollygolightly8048
      @hollygolightly8048 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@f_youtubecensorshipf_nazis Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach, and is most certainly apropos.

  • @carlotta4th
    @carlotta4th 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I get that the artist board could have been reused by someone else (which happened occasionally) but a reused board that the artist had already titled on the back, and then he added his unique thumbprint signature to a painting that someone ELSE had made? That seems extraordinarily unlikely. His marks are on both sides!
    These institutions seem to value provenance more than anything else. If there's not a very lengthy paper trail they just don't care about any other evidence--no paper, no dice. And in some cases even if you *have* said paper trail they may reject it anyway because they visually "feel" that it isn't the artist. And that's just absurd that one group's pride in not being able to admit they are occasionally wrong should value more than the expert community's visual inspection, forensics, analysis, and clear evidence that it is indeed an original work.

  • @kburd67
    @kburd67 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Experts hate admitting they are wrong. It's all arbitrary.

  • @maxb4074
    @maxb4074 5 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    So Nicholson let someone use his paint box and an artist board with his handwriting all over it to paint a fake picture and sign his name to it. Makes Nicholson sound like a fool. I am sure he wasn't.

  • @donoverstreet3210
    @donoverstreet3210 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Reed has been schooled and she resents it. God or Nicholason himself couldn't convince her to publicly admit she was once wrong about this painting.

  • @nealthedeal1
    @nealthedeal1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I like the Lillian Browse still life more, because it is more life like, especially the pears, and plates. An open and shut case, Williams art case. Churchill didn't take up painting until after the war, and whoever had access to his art would never over paint his original work and then ask him to name and sigh it . Ridiculous assumptions altogether. Maybe some professional rivalry even jealousy between the 2 female experts, Lillian Browse and Patricia Reed as to who is the best and sells the most books.

  • @gillianwhitfield9746
    @gillianwhitfield9746 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Who is there that can verify any artists work? No one! What a shame.... Lynn's picture even looks better than the one in the Ottawa gallery!

  • @SpaceCattttt
    @SpaceCattttt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    It's obviously a concern if clear providence cannot be established and linked back to the original painter, but in which other field of forensic science,
    is a verdict decided by just ONE person? Expert or not, it's positively un-scientific to rely on the opinion of one person, regardless of how familiar they
    may be with a particular subject. And not only that, but it also allows for petty jealousy and personal revenge to occur, especially if said expert has
    some sort of grudge against the current owner of a work, or even a relative of that owner.
    Personal opinion can only go so far, and unfortunately, politics and snobbish ego are also all too often mixed up with these things.
    So in order to get a fair verdict, it really is vital to at least get a second opinion before a work of art is completely written off as a fraud or a cheap copy, etc.

    • @carolelerman9686
      @carolelerman9686 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Agreed

    • @team3383
      @team3383 ปีที่แล้ว

      There should be what's called a 'school' of experts for well known artists like this to avoid such nefarious behavior.
      Reed has let herself down though in the face of many others now.

  • @MrsKuhn.2
    @MrsKuhn.2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I have watched this episode twice, and each time i wanted her, Mrs Reed, to change her mind. Love this program and all the work poured into finding the truth for the families. Its CSI, FBI, all rolled in one. Its interesting and educational.

  • @bruh_hahaha
    @bruh_hahaha 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I hope there is a way to appeal the ridiculous “verdict”.

  • @d.angeloferri1694
    @d.angeloferri1694 5 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    I know very little about this but it seems to me the only thing Reed is concerned about is covering her own ass.

    • @truthseeker444
      @truthseeker444 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Exactly, rather than admit she was wrong, she dug an even deeper hole for herself, like is it her belief, that a student of the artist, faked his signature thumb print and initial? I think that the thumb print on both paintings should be analysed by forensic detectives, and when it is shown to be the same print, then Reed can go crawl into a hole, she has already been exposed as no kind of an expert in anything. I wonder what the artists grandson thinks now that he has seen all the evidence.

    • @Dragon18333
      @Dragon18333 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      And her ego is so big she can’t admit when she is wrong.

    • @patriciavogt6201
      @patriciavogt6201 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think M Reed is wrong.

    • @khershner
      @khershner 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That's was just what I was thinking. Reed has a lot to lose. Fiona and Philip's research is compelling, and far more proof than Reed 'just not liking the look of it'. Rubbish. Also, I'm wondering if Reed is sticking to her original verdict because the current owner is wealthy enough and that she can afford to lose her investment.

    • @amberonskja
      @amberonskja 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed, seems like there should be a couple of other experts that could weigh in. I mean...he had students who could paint but were in capable of writing the title of the painting...???

  • @thepochade5992
    @thepochade5992 5 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    It would seem that Nicholson was experimenting with abstraction and painted both of these painting around the same time using the same still life set up. Lyn's painting is obviously by his hand. It takes a big person to admit they have made a mistake. Such a shame that miss Read was unable to simply say that the new compelling evidence brought before her has changed her view.

    • @shawncharton9416
      @shawncharton9416 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This was exactly my thought. If he was experimenting with abstraction it makes sense that he's repaint a still life to see how he perceived the differences between abstraction and not.

    • @team3383
      @team3383 ปีที่แล้ว

      She probably thinks of this painting every day because of what you said and it's ruining her inner self.

    • @patoshea5351
      @patoshea5351 ปีที่แล้ว

      I question of painting in abstract manner in the same time period

  • @Nikkiiwang1
    @Nikkiiwang1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    The “non Nicholson” painting is far superior to the Ottawa version.

    • @sreengleen
      @sreengleen ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree. I think the expert's supposition that a student could have used the materials is correct, but I think the student painting is in the Canadian museum and it would be more awkward to impune their holding than that of a private collector who happens to be a relative of a rival.

  • @vicksterhawk
    @vicksterhawk ปีที่แล้ว +7

    wow..it is absurd that the art world allows one person to have such power to decide

  • @jettsom
    @jettsom 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    There's so much evidence that this a genuine work by Nicholson. Ego and pride again is ruining hope and deprives us of a wonderful piece by this grand master. This is recurring pattern in the art world unfortunately. Why it always depends on one person judgement instead of a worldwide art committee? This system has to change for the benefits of all.

  • @FigaroHey
    @FigaroHey ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Lynn needs to keep the insurance up on her painting. Next time there's a catalogue by another 'expert,' her picture will no doubt be vindicated. Her picture is so much better than the Ottawa picture. Keep it insured, bide your time, and by no means sell it so someone else.

  • @earlycuyler9729
    @earlycuyler9729 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    It is truly and most certainly a case of a woman (Patricia Reed) who refuses to have her reputation called into question, no matter how strong the evidence. Her refusal to accept the evidence says volumes about her as an "expert". Sadly, Reed must be very insecure & feel her opinion must be vigorously protected or she'll lose her standing in the art community. Apparently her perceived reputation is the most important thing in Reed's life - her raison d'être. Internally she's simply an extremely insecure individual.

    • @sfinnera1
      @sfinnera1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      But who is this Patrica Reed anyway? I felt compelled to google her and found only bad Amazon ratings *citing incomplete catalogue* :D

  • @brendangallagher8087
    @brendangallagher8087 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    To my eyes the picture in question is a much finer piece of work than the confirmed picture in Canada. If there is a fake that is the fake

  • @True-os6tg
    @True-os6tg 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I wish Fiona had kept quiet when the expert was about to tell us about the painting and not stop him to say it was the one they were investigating .He edited himself once he knew .

  • @diongovender
    @diongovender 5 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    Can't aunt Lillian's gallery publish an updated version of her own catalogue? Why must this Ms Reed be the only authority on the subject?

    • @tdmccoy1211
      @tdmccoy1211 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I wonder this too

    • @prnfl
      @prnfl 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      well clearly she had a vested interest in publishing it. The painting needs to be peer reviewed by an unbiassed expert

    • @notwhereyouthink
      @notwhereyouthink 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      This is why we have juries, so no one person can act as judge and executioner like Reed has done.

    • @guruuDev
      @guruuDev 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great idea!

    • @drews_viewfakesexposed2421
      @drews_viewfakesexposed2421 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would sue ask for a jury trial and let the court decide and present my evidence

  • @sarahafzal7183
    @sarahafzal7183 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Also, if it was done under Nicholson's supervision and by his student, why would he sign it with an 'N' and then write its name on the back aswell. Doesnt make sense

  • @QuantumKitty
    @QuantumKitty 5 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    The expert seemed to have it in for Patricia and her aunt.

    • @marquamfurniture
      @marquamfurniture 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Patricia Reed is the expert. (Lyn owns the painting) ....But I know what you mean.

    • @algini12
      @algini12 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Obviously because her Aunt had the definitive catalog, and Reed is number two. Only after the Aunt's death for that matter.

  • @mortenriisberg
    @mortenriisberg 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    If Nicholson did do the signature with the paint splattered thumb. It could be interesting to know if there would be fingerprints. If he used this as a common technique, maybe there might be fingerprints on other of his paintings somewhere else to compare to!?

  • @newellharry176
    @newellharry176 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Surely it should be up to Patrica Reed to prove it's not by Nicholson rather than the other way round. The evidence it is overwhelming.

  • @themadplotter
    @themadplotter ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The forger has the greatest insight, he’s taken aback at how good it, I think that speaks volumes.

  • @hongsienkwee537
    @hongsienkwee537 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    one is before he ate the pears (Lyn), the other one is after finishing eating the pears (Ottawa)

  • @Twig-The-Wonder-Kid
    @Twig-The-Wonder-Kid 5 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Surely that's his fingerprint on it? The 'Expert' in question obviously has a bruised ego that she has been challenged... pathetic.

    • @u.v.s.5583
      @u.v.s.5583 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Is there really no way to estabilish the paternity by fingerprint?

  • @andrewnielsen3178
    @andrewnielsen3178 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    They proved their case in my mind. in this case the buyer was only trying to justify her purchase and avoid losing her investment. I would hope that the body of evidence would support providence in future dealings with the painting.
    Another "EXPERT" refusing to admit that they were wrong. Shades of the Wildenstein (?) institute in Paris in another show.

  • @gkess7106
    @gkess7106 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’ll bet the Canadian Museum would love to swap pictures with her! I think the Canadian version should be classified as a sketch.
    The reason given for not accepting this painting Can be said about just about every painting. “There were other people around.” The fact that she wouldn’t come in person to give her verdict says a lot about her character and commitment.

  • @ek7593
    @ek7593 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Here we go again: Self pronounced experts verdicts. I know: this fine, lovely Lady will not trust the written result deep inside. And damned right she is. Wonderful art. Rotten art "business". Thanks for the episode. Love the painting so much...

  • @christis6112
    @christis6112 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    This is one where my first thought was Patricia Reed was not going to be second guessed! I am glad that so many feel the same. It's a shame that one person has so much power and influence over such a subjective area. I do find it odd that she has likely confirmed at least one fake as authentic - well perhaps she is human after all.

  • @maryloumawson6006
    @maryloumawson6006 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Philip and Fiona have discovered, not only that this painting is authentic, but also the "missing" Freesias that Nicholson mentions in the letter. Nicholson wrote "Glass Jug" on the back of the painting, THAT has been proven. But the artboard previously had Freesias on it. So, why would Nicholson title someone else's work? If he'd given the artboard to a colleague or student, presumably it would be their title written in THEIR hand, and not Nicholson's. I think poor Lyn got cheated by the supposed "expert" who IMHO, has been exposed as a fraud. Apparently, she just couldn't stand being wrong. For what it's worth, I like Lyn's picture much better than the Canadian picture.

  • @anneobrien4800
    @anneobrien4800 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    If Nicholson put his thumb print to his paintings, then surely there would be skin cells left behind by the artist. So maybe a forensic scientist should be employed to have a look at the 'thumb print' and see if they can find the DNA Evidence to prove its authenticity. That would put Ms Reed firmly in her place as a not so hot expert of Nicholson's works.

    • @PeaceLoveHonor
      @PeaceLoveHonor ปีที่แล้ว

      Not likely that any possible DNA left behind would be in a condition to allow testing, sadly.

  • @bokhans
    @bokhans 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    We seen similar thing on this show, experts behind closed doors that refuse to argue in public. The art world is pretty pathetic we should all be happy not being part of it. Where else are one expert the final judge. Even in court you can appeal to a higher court if not happy with a verdict.

  • @warwickaiken9237
    @warwickaiken9237 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Perhaps the provenance can be extended to find where the diamond broker bought the painting, and complete the gap there. Note that Aviva said the technique for applying the paint to the board was the same as the known Nicholson picture, and that is very difficult to copy. Patricia Reed apparently did not believe Aviva. Patricia Reed did not explain why the title on the back of the board "Glass Jug" was put there in Nicholson's handwriting if it was not by the artist himself. She apparently did not believe the handwriting expert. In fact she did not believe a procession of professional people who thought the painting was genuine. I am convinced by the evidence assembled that the painting is genuine, and would advise Lyn to keep the painting insured for 200,000 pounds if in an insurance company will accept the obvious evidence and wait. Fifty years from now someone else will be the "expert."

  • @tothelighthouse9843
    @tothelighthouse9843 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This one's a head-scratcher. I thought the evidence was compelling and convincing.
    Also, thank you so much for uploading these!!

  • @moreyhubert893
    @moreyhubert893 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    reed needs to pack it in.

  • @leaflee2066
    @leaflee2066 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I felt really sorry for Lyn, the verdict looked like a blow to her despite her taking it well.

  • @jhunifiedwithlove9750
    @jhunifiedwithlove9750 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    How I wish that Nicholason will get up from his grave and visit P. Reed and tell her himself. Goodness! The evidences were clear... It’s just brutal. I feel for the owner... Well... she has been part of the investigation so I guess that’s a great consolation already.
    And How I wish that IF EVER it was a student who painted it, He’d be popular and become a legend as well.

  • @lukedominicodonnell2347
    @lukedominicodonnell2347 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a world art is when an "expert" can rely on a hunch to dismiss stronger evidence.

  • @semperfidelis2970
    @semperfidelis2970 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What a beautiful beautiful painting. I drew my breath in when I saw it. I would cherish that forever

  • @jlescoe21
    @jlescoe21 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    If either of the glass jug paintings is fake, it is the one the "expert" Mrs. Reed deemed a Nicholson, the Ottawa painting, the crappy one that just looks like crap because it is the most "abstract" of his known paintings, and not because one of his students did it? "Expert," ya!

  • @vissitorsteve
    @vissitorsteve 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Absolutely LOVE this series!!!

  • @carolelerman9686
    @carolelerman9686 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Art experts are like Archaeologists they can never admit they are wrong which doesn't make them experts at all.

  • @eb9826
    @eb9826 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow…. Crazy old bat didn’t want to bear the embarrassment of having to publicly admit she was talking crap. The evidence is totally overwhelming that it’s genuine. Furthermore, her aunt was a close friend of the artist, and her exhibiting a fake as one of his works is utterly ridiculous.

  • @sweetmusic3821
    @sweetmusic3821 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How exciting to see the freesias painted underneath. I came away from this video believing we have two paintings by Nicholson ... including a possible lost painting of freesias.

  • @richardhunter132
    @richardhunter132 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think this must be the most amount of effort that has ever been put into verifying a William Nicholson painting

  • @DK-pl8xd
    @DK-pl8xd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    But, the handwriting and unique signature? Also, why would a student put their painting in Nicholson’s box?

  • @truthseeker444
    @truthseeker444 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Apparently after this aired in 2018, Twitter went into meltdown about Patricia Reed's inability to admit she was wrong, and her reputation is still in tatters. When she has now demonstrated to the whole world that she is no expert, who could ever take her seriously again!

  • @robertgaylord8263
    @robertgaylord8263 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    There is only one expert on William Nicholson?? How absurd. Ms. Reed ought to be ashamed of her arrogance.

  • @janeymalcolm8072
    @janeymalcolm8072 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Is it possible these are both Nicholson paintings, but also examples of teacher and student? I'm not sure when Nicholson's son, Ben, was born. He is more abstract. I can imagine a scenario of son learning from father, side by side, painting a still life, using the same supplies, where dad labels to back for his young son, etc... If this were a mystery novel, that's the ending I could imagine written to solve this case. Both Nicholson paintings - Lyn has the Dad's version and Canada has the son's with the more abstract pears. That's the only alternative I can consider. Otherwise, they are both by Wm Nicholson. Either way, I feel the scientific analysis show authenticity of the work - no fakery or underworld art here.

  • @dr.frankenstein5421
    @dr.frankenstein5421 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I was heartbroken to see her get the verdict at the end.

  • @erineosto
    @erineosto 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Probably my favorite episode.

  • @mindaltaren1838
    @mindaltaren1838 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I do think this series has ultimately opened the curtain for me certainly to see how the art world truly works at its best and in its worst. I know I might see it in black and white but somehow the cartel like power some art houses or experts have is somewhat upsetting.

  • @jasperjavellana4454
    @jasperjavellana4454 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It’s just a case of a lady who can’t accept that she made a mistake, even though the evidence at hand is overwhelming. The owner of the painting should just enjoy the painting .

  • @ronrossi8475
    @ronrossi8475 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is done my Nicholson. When it has his art, his signature, his style and history and more you can not deny it. However, someone with an attitude of self-importance can my a claim that is wrong and won't admit that. Sounds like former corporate CEO or President who makes false claims. This is a Nicholson.

  • @mn4169
    @mn4169 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Art experts are touchy, especially when they are wrong and will not admit it.

  • @navajoauckland6003
    @navajoauckland6003 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    When a so called expert is really nothing more than a critic

  • @AlexiaDiniz
    @AlexiaDiniz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can't believed that the painting wasn't accepted as a genuine Art.

  • @sedayehneda
    @sedayehneda 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Shame on Ms. Reed...

  • @emztoka
    @emztoka 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Conclusive evidence says that this painting is genuine, who is Ms Reed to say otherwise. Maybe Ms Reed is too embarrassed to retrack her judgement once stated.

  • @ejjohnstone1984
    @ejjohnstone1984 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow, no wonder the expert did not want to attend the finale. Just shows how important provenance is, even though science tries to outsmart it at times.

  • @jamesanonymous2343
    @jamesanonymous2343 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    they have detailed the evidence in favor of authentication, what evidence does Reed have to
    contradict that ? "NONE" just an "I Don't Think So"

  • @jhunifiedwithlove9750
    @jhunifiedwithlove9750 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Is there a way to check on the finger print?
    Omg! I just can’t stop... hugs to the owner.

  • @mak7587
    @mak7587 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If his thumb print was underneath his signature, couldn’t they check that thumbprint?

  • @True-os6tg
    @True-os6tg 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The wood cut of queen Victoria looks like a Banksy

  • @merhona3472
    @merhona3472 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ms Reeds thinking that anybody could have painted on one of Nicholsons boards then almost all of his works are suspect and she has already accepted one that is 100% forged. This one person judge and jury in the art work is bs. There needs to be a panel of experts to avoid egotism to affect peoples lives.

  • @andreaandrea6716
    @andreaandrea6716 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why doesn't Patricia Reed address the proof presented? THIS is the problem with so called 'Experts'. As has been said before by Philip, there should be a panel of experts and scientists that weigh in ... and not just one snotty person afraid to admit having made an error when the sort of proof that has been provided is there.
    I LOVE this program. It exposes the 'Experts'!!

  • @laurag2112
    @laurag2112 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The conclusion of Reid is ridiculous. Is it not possible to compare the thumbprints on both Nicholsons to the fingerprints on Nicholson’s paint box?

  • @jhunifiedwithlove9750
    @jhunifiedwithlove9750 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’m heartbroken and beyond shocked.

  • @lupodisol
    @lupodisol ปีที่แล้ว

    This is an excellent program!

  • @RobynGallagher
    @RobynGallagher 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "Sorry, painting." 😭

  • @wecreatezone8940
    @wecreatezone8940 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think the other, so called "genuine" painting is a kind of study etc. and Lynn's painting is the finished piece.

  • @maggieniew806
    @maggieniew806 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Some of these experts are just driven by an ego.... This is ridiculous

  • @duncanbleak3819
    @duncanbleak3819 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The singular "imprinted N" on the front and "100%" handwriting analysis of the back would seem to seal the deal.
    It seems that this expert(?), Ms. Reed, simply refuses to admit that she was mistaken!
    Also, how can there be only one Nicholson expert?