It’s so dumb to me how people preach that out of all the murderstuck villains (Vriska, Eridan and Gamzee) only Vriska deserved redemption. Eridan was more willing to socialize with the rest of the group, even though most people treated him like shit, and Gamzee’s mental faculties become questionable as soon as he looks into Lil Cal’s eyes (same thing happened with alpha session Jack Noir, who gained LE’s powers after he looked into Lil Cal), meanwhile Vriska CHOSE to do all of the things she did (except feeding trolls to her mom, that was more of a kill or be killed situation), so saying only Vriska deserves redemption is not only biased but stupid as well.
theorizing about Gamzee being manipulated by Lil Cal is just coping, IMO. Hussie essentially retconned everything about him that could make him sympathetic, just to screw with his fans, yet again. as in "LMAO! Gamzee was ALWAYS genuinely and irredeemably evil! all this time, he was just friendly, because of sopor-slime!" i would've been okay with Sober Gamzee as a concept. even if he killed Nepeta and Equius. but he should've shown REMORSE for his actions! everything else just would just clash with his previously established character. like what if he didn't want to serve Lord English anymore, after realizing: "shit, i just killed two of my friends! what am i even doing!?" even this would've been more interesting than him, being a crazy killer clown for a bit and then being stripped of all his agency and personality, later on.
@@Legomicromanhi I know this is old but you know the photo shown in 0:36 ? How is that sequence retconned for Gamzee? He has yellow eyes, calmed down after the fight and after the 4 versus showdown. Was it retcon in the cliche way of “Oh he’s just pretending or bidding his time” or was it just him calming down and giving up for now
@@helio-r4u No, the story being like "LMAO! Gamzee AKSHUALLY never cared about his friends! he was only friendly, because of Sopor-Slime!" is the retcon. like why did anyone even invite him to Sgrub, when he was so dangerous as a highblood, in the first place? why didn't they all decide: "if he's out of Sopor-Slime, he's gonna kill us all, let's just ditch him!"? they all KNEW that he was a highblood. So yeah, Gamzee being inevitably destined to become violent and evil just feels shoe-horned in, considering everyone KNEW what he was, yet nobody treated him like the supposedly dangerous menace he was, until the plot demanded it. Him going all murder-hobo-villain, after getting off of Sopor-Slime and all of his emotional depth suddenly disappearing, was never done to make Gamzee "deep" or interesting: Hussie just wanted to pull a fast one on the audience and nothing more.
I used to like Vriska back before they pretended she was the most important character and stuff, because she was fun to hate when she was a villain and it was fun to actually see her develop in the afterlife.
you're right, murderous incels don't deserve redemption. so while we're on the topic of Vriska, perhaps we should consider asking why any of the characters deserve redemption at all. or any person, for that matter. @@juliepowers3116
That's so, so *very* incredibly hypocritical that Hussie would act so condescending and telling Eridan likers to "cut that crap out" for wanting a similar style of development to Vriska? What an ass. I love his usage of the phrase "allow him some latitude to figure stuff out and redeem himself" (29:21), because he couldn't even execute that properly for Vriska. Honestly, I feel even if he did give Eridan more time to develop it'd be the same way he canonically did Vriska. And if Eridan ever did correct the errors of his ways, he'd be narratively + directly reprimanded, just like how Vriska was to her dead self for being genuinely happy and becoming better. Sigh.
Watching this really made me realize so many things. 1.) Reviving Vriska literally stripped her of all the potential development she was doing while dead. Becoming more empathetic and just seeming genuinely happy for the first time we've ever seen her. That fucking sucks so hard that Hussie reprimands Vriska for breaking out of her awfulness. It's like he WANTS her to be shitty because he knows people won't take two seconds to think about how much it sucks. 2.) Hussie's creepy obsession with Vriska. Like I sincerely wonder if it started out as a joke (his authorsona wanting to marry her + continually stalk her half the whole comic) that then went WAY too far, and snowballed into him shoehorning her in the forefront of the entire narrative...? Hussie himself said she was meant to play into the Mary Sue archetype as well so 🤷 Maybe he wanted to keep her relevant purely for that?? That or he couldn't keep his boner in check over her, even if it was ironic it still was weird as hell. 3.) I and many fans still don't get Hussie's rationale that reviving Vriska was the solution to the doomed timeline. Quite literally it was Arenea's fault for meddling and wanting to be on the forefront (this writing style sound familiar for anyone else?). If I remember correctly, it's implied that Arenea manipulated Gamzee throughout his abusive haterom with Terezi. So many issues from the doomed timeline could have been resolved if Arenea hadn't meddled, and continued to assist Vriska in the afterlife to find the juju. Anywho, I hope these comments aren't exploding your notifs. Wonderful video, I love your style and word choice. Looking forward to honestly any kind of analysis from you and I'll definitely be checking out your older ones.
Responding to your points: Hussie is a troll. Also a bit of a hack. Also jaded asf and tired of Homestuck and its fanbase. And also self aware enough to know what hes doing. He purposefully sabotaged homestucks ending because he reached a point where he didnt care anymore, and just looked for easy solutions to this mess of a story. He already had a habit of killing characters off out of boredom or having no idea what hes doing at times but going with it because its funny or novel, ignoring its potential impact on the narrative and its structure. Vriska being a mary sue and literally shitting on her old self, which represents the absolute best she has to offer as a person, is such a blatant example of the author telling his own story to fuck off.
Aranea was the reason why the timeline became doomed that is for sure. But I doubt Aranea mind-controlled Gamzee into abusing Terezi. He did that on his own accord. The guy worships the embodiment of toxic masculinity and misogyny of the Homestuck Fandom (Caliborn), it's no surprise he hits his girlfriend.
@@templebeast1324 yeah obviously, none of my points are trying to paint him in a positive light. I hate it when authors write as if theyre at war with the audience. Matter of fact, its not even smart or clever or unique. Others have done it, Kojima for example, with every metal gear solid after 1, which led to some of his worst written games
How funny that you mentioned how no one really criticizes Meenah’s fascism worship in a meaningful way because from my understanding there is exactly ONE troll ever who manages to make her do a double take on her Condesce fangirling-Cronus Ampora, Fellow Eridan Ampora’s Dancestor, who calls out how she treated her universe’s Mituna so much worse than he ever did to his universe’s Mituna-and he’s pretty fucking bad. Meenah really had nothing to say about that!
the ironic thing about Cronus and Meenah is that the fandom demonizes Cronus (rightly) but forgets that Meenah is as bad as he is, always downplaying the gravity of her actions. She literally bullied and traumatized Damara to the point where she freaked out and ruined their session. She also entered into a literal criminal relationship with the 13 old dead Vriska but people still downplay this horrible issue. Sadly, for the mostly of Homestuck's fandom, Meenah is girl boss, empowered who has done "nothing wrong".
@@fuinafeiraevoltei it has a lot to do with narrative framing, I’m sure. The story itself treats Cronus so much wildly different than it treats Meenah, just like how Eridan gets treated so much more differently from Vriska. Part of it is amusing to me, seeing as how typically it’s the opposite in fandoms and girls get treated so much worse and given less slack than guys, but I wish it hadn’t come at the expense of seemingly endorsing some really fucked up and hypocritical Shit. Like I’d forgive the MeenVris if it was a case of the author forgetting that they’re not the same age at all on account of the symbolic art style, but that’s CLEARLY not the case and the whole thing gets swept over??? By both Fandom and Author???? It’s all just such a messy and gross clusterfuck. But while Meenah barely gets a single Pat on the wrist for being pretty awful in her backstory and beginning(and BARELY getting better while on screen in terms of a character arc), Cronus will never go past being that asshole that grilled the mentally disabled kid on-screen. Also I guess he flirted with people or something
@@angelistoftenshiHonestly, I'd say it's a reflection of people giving even less of a shit about victims of abuse when an abuser is a good looking woman. If Vriska and Tavros's genders were swapped, most people would be losing their minds
@@matthewsteele99 cronus’ introduction flash! Part 2 of Act 6 Intermission 3. It was in one of his conversations with Meenah, possibly the one where he initiates the convo?
I think the Condesce actually killed Dualscar, not the Grand Highblood. Mindfang wrote in her journal that she knew Dualscar was in love with the Condesce and that if the Condesce ever knew he'd be killed for his "unthinkable presumption". Mindfang claims that she'd never stoop so low as the have others settle her score like Dualscar did... but Mingfang did stoop so low when she mind-controlled a bunch of lowbloods to hang Redglare during the trial. Mindfang blames the Grand Highblood, but in actuality, the Condesce killed Dualscar because Mindfang leaked his information. So that would explain why Eridan killed Feferi and not Gamzee.
I call this video "the better of the two Eridan videos I've watched on this channel, soon to be 3" The more I think about all this, the more tragic it all is and the less I feel bad for liking Eridan unironically.
I thought this was a legitimate joke, but it was one of the best, if not the best, essays on the Vriska Serket. And my god thank you for stating the obvious how disgusting and criminal this relationship between Meenah and Vriska was.
"A young woman walks to her computer **** swinging between her legs she's ready to make fun of a disabled person" Ah yes what a great start I can already tell this will be good
Tbh reminds me a lot of equius. He’s also a piece of $hit, but he got choked out of the narrative too early to get any development. Not to mention Hussie’s likely suspect view of women and sa definitely screwed over eq’s development even more
I can rest easy now, knowing that someone finally understands Unironically way more satisfying than s collide. Genuinely fucking thank you it's fucking crazy how great it is to finally hear someone point this out
I love this content so much, I super hope that you’re still alive Eridan has always been my favorite character, and I’m happy that an amazing public speaker like you can put all my emotions into words. Thank you so much, I’m gonna share this video with all my friends who rag on me for loving Eridan (they’ll think this is a Vriska video in disguise, lol)
currently re-reading Homestuck, and I was continually disgusted by Vriska, which I found strange because she was one of my favorites back in middle school when I read it for the first time. Being able to see her real character before all the timey wimey resurrection bullshit was enlightening, to say the least
I wonder where those quotes from "Hussie" came from at the end since *damn* I thought maybe since he wrote Eridan he'd view him a bit better than how the fandom does but n o p e
I am fully convinced Eridan was some dude Hussie had beef with (or just animosity) on highschool and made sure Eridan got the worst on the character this one dude inspired to, like, boost Hussie's ego with a false sense of vendetta or something
the worst part of all of this, that this video didnt point out, is that the potential positives of the approach taken with (vriska) and meenah was ALREADY PRESENTED at the end of her arc in act 5 with doomed john. the entire point of her death and resolution in the dreambubbles with john was that in the end, all the bad she did wasnt any form of necessity, all it brought to everyone involved, including her, was pain and suffering. she clearly wanted to reconcile with her friends, terezi specifically, but she doesnt want to put in any of the actual work or emotional vulnerability required to mend the relationship, she wants an easy way out. she believes that if she solves all of her friends problems herself, then itll be some sort of fast track to the absolution she so desperately wants, and it costs her any further chance at reconciliation because her best friend is forced to put her down or be put down due to vriskas own pride. neither party involved is happy about it, it tears terezi up inside to have to do it, and as discussed, all vriska really wanted to accomplish was to be in terezis good graces again. perhaps if john had gotten to her earlier, she wouldve been able to embrace what he taught her before it was too late, but by the time she had just begun to realize that being vulnerable emotionally was not weakness and that pride was her biggest enemy, she was already on the edge of the cliff and thought her only choice was to jump. and so with her final act of stubborn pride, she destroys any chance at mending her past with terezi, and any chance at potential meaningful growth and change with john. she screwed up her life so bad that she left no room for second chances, the only second chance she has left is in death, an entirely fresh start with another version of the person who began to teach her how to change who has no memory of her at all. her constant need to be important to people, to prove her own worth, it all finally comes back around to bite her, and now that she will never be important again, all she has left to do is look inward and figure out that she never needed to be important or strong or cold-blooded or anything like that to be happy, or to have worth. what she needed was to be vulnerable, and shes given the opportunity to do that with doomed john. and so in a perfect world, this is the end of vriskas arc. she lives out(for lack of a better phrase) the rest of her days with doomed john, accepting that she cant fix what she broke in life, and letting it move on without her, making a new life for herself and working to change for the better with someone there to support her. but this is not a perfect world. instead act 6 brings her back into relevance the first chance it gets, and basically does a complete retread of the arc she had in act 5, all told in a much less cohesive and compelling fashion that tramples all over the perfect conclusion she was given in act 5. and to add insult to injury, in the end, the story bends over backwards to prove vriskas original ideology right and tear down the idea that being emotionally vulnerable was the best thing for vriska and everyone around her by reviving her with bullshit off-brand time travel, the results of which make no logical sense no matter how you spin it. dont even get me started on post-canon bullshit i dont even wanna go there. sincerely, someone whos favorite character was vriska in act 5
The best part is out of Equius, Eridan, and Vriska (aka the token high blood bitches), Vriska is objectively the worst, most manipulative person there Equius is just horny and doesn’t actively care about the bloodcasts NEARLY as much as it seems he should as he instead only uses it for his fetish Eridan is genocidal, true, but he is also very underwhelming as a genodical maniac as he is instead used as a gag for how bad he is at romance. Sure he kills a handful of people but he is immediately overshadowed by Gamzee’s one menacing moment and Vriska killing a singular person before he is vivisected by one of the people who he DID kill who came back as a vampire. There is no room built for redemption and he is sorta half baked character wise But Vriska? Vriska helped create Jack Noir, manipulated everyone, completely eradicated Tavros’s self esteem and went to do the same to Jake who never recovered, formed an army to use as bait, and more!
Did the same with Jake? When did that happen exactly, didn't think they ever interacted much (its been awhile since I've read the comic, you might have to jog my memory there)
@@BioMega96 The moment Vriska touched down post retcon she decided to immediately begin harassing Jake, remember? Actually was harassing Tavrosprite at the same time which proves she learned nothing from that Here is something she said to Jake "You are never going to do anything important, and you'll never amount to anything. Period! Neither is Tavros."
Honestly Eridan being "genocidal" falls flat. He clearly cares about his land-dweller friends and had the chance to eliminate the lower castes by not helping Feferi feed her lusus. It seems more his genocide complex is mostly just for just for show, he was never really serious about it. He probably liked the fantasy of there only being sea-dweller trolls, but not in reality.
@@Palepetal to be fair He did shoot the matriorb and doomed their race (if void magic wasn't a thing) He was just really, REALLY pathetic before then and after that one killing spree so it was really easy to forget that
i'm finally vindicated thinking vriska should not have come back from the dead !! her arc was over and seeing her come back was like being on a date with hussie and finishing a good meal but then he licks the plate clean in front of god jesus my mom and everyone 😭
Notice before reading: I hate Vriska. She is one of my least favourite Homestuck characters. That being said, I believe it makes sense that Vriska is the one to find the ultimate weapon that defeats Caliborn/Lord English. To me, it makes perfect narrative sense that a monster can only be defeaten by a being as horrible as it is. Caliborn is a selfish child that is incapable of growth or mental development. A selfish, egotistic, mysoginistic piece of shit that is willing to do anything to further his own strength. Vriska is the same. She is an attention seeking bitch that denies others importance and relevance because she believes that she's the center of the universe. She believes herself to be above anyone else in importance. She is willing to do anything to be the "hero", no matter the question of morality. They are 2 extremely similair characters. They both even killed a character (Calliope/Tavros) that is essential to their own growth as a person. The only difference is that Vriska was afforded forgiveness. Undeserved and unrequited forgiveness.
Keep in mind that the ultimate weapon she unleashed is literally just a box with John, Jade, Dave, and Rose inside of it. She doesn’t defeat lord English, John and Davepeta do.
Ok, lets try to understand the french part. "C'est juste déprimant." Its depressing. "Comment sommes nous ?" (not sure) How are we ? "Toi pisser dans un violon you super tour" You piss in a violin (french expression about time waste) you super tour (dont know) "Fini-le afin que nous puissions partir à la chasse." End it so we can go hunting. "Une minute, je ne parle pas cette langue." Wait a minute, I dont speak the langage. That's the best I can do.
(Vriska) is best Vriska and then Vriska had to go into her life and OBVIOUSLY ruin (Vriska)'s life because Vriska, unlike (Vriska), didn't learn shit- *12:48** shows up* Ok I didn't read epilogues, do I have to put (Vriska) in the Vriskabin, too?
In the interest of defending the last shreds of an undeniably and profoundly disturbed being's dignity, I feel compelled to point out that the (Vriska) of the Epilogues is NOT the same one as the Pre-retcon!(Vriska) that Meenah abandoned. Epilogues!(Vriska) is just the post-retcon Vriska that never went through the development that Pre-retcon!(Vriska) did. She is the current "main" Vriska, for what that's worth, starring in the Act 7 animation and all subsequent continuations of the story. So to summarise: Pre-retcon!(Vriska) is the nice, punky one. She made her last appearance in [S] Remember with Pre-retcon!Terezi, wherein they may or may not have perished because of LE. Epilogues/Post-retcon!(Vriska) is the same old quasi-sociopathic spidertroll everyone is well familiar with. She is and continues to be as toxic as an arachnid's sting to everyone around her to this very day. So that's basically the Vriska state of affairs at the moment. Perhaps it cleared some things up, perhaps it did just the opposite. As HSC Homestuck continues it's downward descent, ditched by it's captain, manned by a vestigial, unprepared crew, perhaps it doesn't matter one way or the other. Well this has turned into a rant huh? Guess I better cease before I forsake cohesion entirely.
the reason vriska doesn’t receive nearly as much rebuking eridan does is because people are coomers. “if bad why sexy lady hurrr durrr” that’s their logic.
Honestly I think Meenah and Vriska's "relationship" was bad for Vriska. Meenah does acknowledge Vriska is too young for her, and Vriska is a sobbing mess when Meenah leaves her. It had a negative effect on Vriska, Vriska didn't need Meenah to frolic in a field and have fun. It is true Meenah is a pedophile and Vriska is Meenah's victim.
4:20 i think that Jade's narcolepsy was best girl just trying to manipilate a human being effectively, but she coudln't do it because of the difference in their brain, thus only being strong enough to make them fall sleep on command, which even rustbloods can do with toher trolls
The only one able to push Vriska to question herself, open up and try something new in a genuine way, was John. If they had nore time togheter, at least as friends, probably this would have been a different story.
I recommend Funk McLovin's Homestuck Alternate Universe for those who want Homestuck with refined character and writing. (They also aged up most of the character so the relationship isn't weird)
I understand wanting to make Eridan a more developed and fleshed out character, but I don't understand the idea of making him essensially the new protagonist. Could someone explain the point of that to me?
the argument is basically that if vriska can become super important to the story because of bullshit and hussie's fetishization of her, there's no reason why eridan who has much more potential and in comparison is a much better person(troll?) shouldn't be
@@spacepiracy1552 I suppose I get that, but I feel like I just wouldn't find him a compelling protagonist. I think I'm biased because I'm disabled irl and his whole culling thing definitely makes him off-putting. Even if the idea is as a protagonist he'd unlearn it.
@@eridanstan4977 Honestly after recently re-reading homestuck, i've come to the conclusion that I love both characters, but neither should be main protagonists lol
also hs^2 one of the writers is crazy fking Vriska fanatic like the epilogues. dont like and dont care for hs^2 (mb only for actual plot of MEAT timeline)
12:57 despite what you said I still think that yes, Vriska is one of the most human characters in the comic. The Epilogues are dubious canon and Homestuck 2 is not canon, so we can put that aside and look at her character in the actual story of the actual webcomic
25:06 Tbh I dont think that they are displaying that relationship positivly. Through out the whole comic(or atleast the part when she is still a young 13 yo) she gets groomed by older people. Vriska as a character is really easely influenced, showed by Doc scratch or mindfangs diary. Anothet part of her is that she acts much more mature for her age, which unfurtunatley makes her an easy victim of such people, as much as she is smart and manipulative, she is still a somewhat naive kid. I think this was meant to show how even when she gets her ‘happy’ ending, she still gets manipulated by someone older; or what Im trying to say is the relationship is showed from her perspective, where she clearly doesnt see anything suspicious with it.
The only thing that I defend Vriska is the bec noir thing, because if she didn't do that, everyone would be doomed to a doomed timeline. But yeah, she sucks
23:50 - ... yeah it's actually true? Irl you'll get away from ur shit if you are needed and relevant. People at some point just don't give a shit cse people are suck That's the truth, not a moral
vriska certainly isnt a good person, but to say she isn't a good and complex character only shows your inability or maybe even refusal to engage with/understand her character. you obviously dont have to like her, but so much of this video and so much of your hatred towards her seems to come from a very vague and surface level understanding of her. for one, her murderous habits pre-comic are very explicitly stated to be due to her lusus. she has to feed her or else she'll be eaten. this kill or be kill situation combined with alternia's generally harsh and violent atmosphere are pretty clear ingredients of a person who has a hard time grasping the seriousness of something like death, which also contributes to her own willingness to throw her life away when faced with dangerous and seemingly unbeatable foes. then you take eridan's introduction page where he very explicitly mentions that he has something of a genocide complex and yearns for the death of all land dwellers, an ideology he has no real explanation for other than classism. to act as if eridan is "more worthy" of redemption isn't really any kind of point. im not arguing that he's a horrible person, he's just kind of a nothing character. you clearly like eridan as a character, and that's totally fine, but it's not like homestuck has any kind of... limit to how many characters can be redeemed. eridan simply doesn't serve a very big narrative purpose outside of murderstuck. im aware this is kind of an old video, so you may not hold these opinions or feelings on the subject anymore, but i think i just wanted to ramble about it a little haha
also the one relevant thing eridan does in the long run isn't nothing major, just DESTROYING THE MATRIORB thus invariably preventing the future of the troll race until roxy (who none of them knew existed yet) comes along and is forced by space fascist betty crocker to make one out of literally the very concept of nothing. were it not for that whole thing, they would have been screwed, and there's literally no way that eridan could have known that was a thing that happens. the clip of him destroying the species' entire chance at survival is even shown in this video but completely brushed over in favor of lambasting vriska's still bad but comparatively minor atrocities.
@@vriskaserketontheps5"comparatively minor" she gave up on beating lord english, which would've killed EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. Eridan didn't serve a large part of the narrative because Hussie didn't want him to, not because his character CANNOT serve a part of the narrative. What the video is saying is "Eridan could've been redeemed and could've been used in the narrative more often" And about Eridan's genocidal tendencies, how can you not see how the effects of alternian society on him, but you can see them on vriska? The rivalry between land dwellers and sea dwellers is so strong it supercedes the blood hierarchy. That's how important it is to Alternian Society
@@khalilbarkallah9998 she held onto the weapon for when he turns up, and she was completely alone as of getting it. her plan kinda hinged on having tons of people on her side that could serve as distractions while she set it up. that kinda doesn't work when everyone ditches you in a cave. furthermore, completely halting the reproductive cycle of your entire species is a different ordeal than just outright killing the parts of it you dislike. if he had more screentime to give proper motive then sure that would 8e one thing, 8ut it's still referred to as a genocide complex.
My hot take is that Vriska's peak as a character was right before she died, when she has the conversation with John about her regrets and feelings
That's not a hot take, that's just reality.
she feels bad about being a shitty person only to continue to be a shitty person for the rest of the story
@NuggetExistsBTW I blame that on act 6 being act 6
It’s so dumb to me how people preach that out of all the murderstuck villains (Vriska, Eridan and Gamzee) only Vriska deserved redemption.
Eridan was more willing to socialize with the rest of the group, even though most people treated him like shit, and Gamzee’s mental faculties become questionable as soon as he looks into Lil Cal’s eyes (same thing happened with alpha session Jack Noir, who gained LE’s powers after he looked into Lil Cal), meanwhile Vriska CHOSE to do all of the things she did (except feeding trolls to her mom, that was more of a kill or be killed situation), so saying only Vriska deserves redemption is not only biased but stupid as well.
agreed 100%. pre-sober gamzee was also pretty chill
theorizing about Gamzee being manipulated by Lil Cal is just coping, IMO.
Hussie essentially retconned everything about him that could make him sympathetic, just to screw with his fans, yet again. as in "LMAO! Gamzee was ALWAYS genuinely and irredeemably evil! all this time, he was just friendly, because of sopor-slime!"
i would've been okay with Sober Gamzee as a concept. even if he killed Nepeta and Equius. but he should've shown REMORSE for his actions! everything else just would just clash with his previously established character.
like what if he didn't want to serve Lord English anymore, after realizing: "shit, i just killed two of my friends! what am i even doing!?" even this would've been more interesting than him, being a crazy killer clown for a bit and then being stripped of all his agency and personality, later on.
@@Legomicromanhi I know this is old but you know the photo shown in 0:36 ? How is that sequence retconned for Gamzee? He has yellow eyes, calmed down after the fight and after the 4 versus showdown.
Was it retcon in the cliche way of “Oh he’s just pretending or bidding his time” or was it just him calming down and giving up for now
@@helio-r4u No, the story being like "LMAO! Gamzee AKSHUALLY never cared about his friends! he was only friendly, because of Sopor-Slime!" is the retcon.
like why did anyone even invite him to Sgrub, when he was so dangerous as a highblood, in the first place? why didn't they all decide: "if he's out of Sopor-Slime, he's gonna kill us all, let's just ditch him!"? they all KNEW that he was a highblood.
So yeah, Gamzee being inevitably destined to become violent and evil just feels shoe-horned in, considering everyone KNEW what he was, yet nobody treated him like the supposedly dangerous menace he was, until the plot demanded it.
Him going all murder-hobo-villain, after getting off of Sopor-Slime and all of his emotional depth suddenly disappearing, was never done to make Gamzee "deep" or interesting: Hussie just wanted to pull a fast one on the audience and nothing more.
no one's talking about how funny it is that you're just constantly ripping into vriska with the most MONOTONE voice
it’s HILARIOUS this is probably one of my favorite videos EVER now
Holy shit, I never knew I could be radicalized into wanted an Eridan redemption arc.
The Eridan fan army is always hiring.
I used to like Vriska back before they pretended she was the most important character and stuff, because she was fun to hate when she was a villain and it was fun to actually see her develop in the afterlife.
this is such a good analysis of vriska and how the fandom has for some reason shunned eridan out of redemption completely.
He's an incel? Are you good lmfao
you're right, murderous incels don't deserve redemption. so while we're on the topic of Vriska, perhaps we should consider asking why any of the characters deserve redemption at all. or any person, for that matter. @@juliepowers3116
@@juliepowers3116hes also my king
That's so, so *very* incredibly hypocritical that Hussie would act so condescending and telling Eridan likers to "cut that crap out" for wanting a similar style of development to Vriska? What an ass. I love his usage of the phrase "allow him some latitude to figure stuff out and redeem himself" (29:21), because he couldn't even execute that properly for Vriska.
Honestly, I feel even if he did give Eridan more time to develop it'd be the same way he canonically did Vriska. And if Eridan ever did correct the errors of his ways, he'd be narratively + directly reprimanded, just like how Vriska was to her dead self for being genuinely happy and becoming better. Sigh.
Unironically interesting and good read on Vriska and Eridan as always, thank you king
Watching this really made me realize so many things.
1.) Reviving Vriska literally stripped her of all the potential development she was doing while dead. Becoming more empathetic and just seeming genuinely happy for the first time we've ever seen her. That fucking sucks so hard that Hussie reprimands Vriska for breaking out of her awfulness. It's like he WANTS her to be shitty because he knows people won't take two seconds to think about how much it sucks.
2.) Hussie's creepy obsession with Vriska. Like I sincerely wonder if it started out as a joke (his authorsona wanting to marry her + continually stalk her half the whole comic) that then went WAY too far, and snowballed into him shoehorning her in the forefront of the entire narrative...? Hussie himself said she was meant to play into the Mary Sue archetype as well so 🤷 Maybe he wanted to keep her relevant purely for that?? That or he couldn't keep his boner in check over her, even if it was ironic it still was weird as hell.
3.) I and many fans still don't get Hussie's rationale that reviving Vriska was the solution to the doomed timeline. Quite literally it was Arenea's fault for meddling and wanting to be on the forefront (this writing style sound familiar for anyone else?). If I remember correctly, it's implied that Arenea manipulated Gamzee throughout his abusive haterom with Terezi. So many issues from the doomed timeline could have been resolved if Arenea hadn't meddled, and continued to assist Vriska in the afterlife to find the juju.
Anywho, I hope these comments aren't exploding your notifs. Wonderful video, I love your style and word choice. Looking forward to honestly any kind of analysis from you and I'll definitely be checking out your older ones.
Responding to your points: Hussie is a troll. Also a bit of a hack. Also jaded asf and tired of Homestuck and its fanbase. And also self aware enough to know what hes doing.
He purposefully sabotaged homestucks ending because he reached a point where he didnt care anymore, and just looked for easy solutions to this mess of a story. He already had a habit of killing characters off out of boredom or having no idea what hes doing at times but going with it because its funny or novel, ignoring its potential impact on the narrative and its structure. Vriska being a mary sue and literally shitting on her old self, which represents the absolute best she has to offer as a person, is such a blatant example of the author telling his own story to fuck off.
Aranea was the reason why the timeline became doomed that is for sure. But I doubt Aranea mind-controlled Gamzee into abusing Terezi. He did that on his own accord. The guy worships the embodiment of toxic masculinity and misogyny of the Homestuck Fandom (Caliborn), it's no surprise he hits his girlfriend.
@@doggerlander fucking lol
@@doggerlander I mean, it's shit, even if it's intentional.
@@templebeast1324 yeah obviously, none of my points are trying to paint him in a positive light. I hate it when authors write as if theyre at war with the audience.
Matter of fact, its not even smart or clever or unique. Others have done it, Kojima for example, with every metal gear solid after 1, which led to some of his worst written games
THANK YOU! THANK YOU SM, I fucking HATE when people say vriska is a well "developed character"
Also FINALLY someone is in my man Eri's corner. Poor dude got the shortest end of the stick for basically no reason.
The best opinion on Vriska I’ve ever seen. Unironically. Good one, man.
How funny that you mentioned how no one really criticizes Meenah’s fascism worship in a meaningful way because from my understanding there is exactly ONE troll ever who manages to make her do a double take on her Condesce fangirling-Cronus Ampora, Fellow Eridan Ampora’s Dancestor, who calls out how she treated her universe’s Mituna so much worse than he ever did to his universe’s Mituna-and he’s pretty fucking bad. Meenah really had nothing to say about that!
the ironic thing about Cronus and Meenah is that the fandom demonizes Cronus (rightly) but forgets that Meenah is as bad as he is, always downplaying the gravity of her actions. She literally bullied and traumatized Damara to the point where she freaked out and ruined their session.
She also entered into a literal criminal relationship with the 13 old dead Vriska but people still downplay this horrible issue. Sadly, for the mostly of Homestuck's fandom, Meenah is girl boss, empowered who has done "nothing wrong".
@@fuinafeiraevoltei it has a lot to do with narrative framing, I’m sure. The story itself treats Cronus so much wildly different than it treats Meenah, just like how Eridan gets treated so much more differently from Vriska. Part of it is amusing to me, seeing as how typically it’s the opposite in fandoms and girls get treated so much worse and given less slack than guys, but I wish it hadn’t come at the expense of seemingly endorsing some really fucked up and hypocritical Shit. Like I’d forgive the MeenVris if it was a case of the author forgetting that they’re not the same age at all on account of the symbolic art style, but that’s CLEARLY not the case and the whole thing gets swept over??? By both Fandom and Author???? It’s all just such a messy and gross clusterfuck.
But while Meenah barely gets a single Pat on the wrist for being pretty awful in her backstory and beginning(and BARELY getting better while on screen in terms of a character arc), Cronus will never go past being that asshole that grilled the mentally disabled kid on-screen. Also I guess he flirted with people or something
What page/dialogue was that where he made her think twice?
@@angelistoftenshiHonestly, I'd say it's a reflection of people giving even less of a shit about victims of abuse when an abuser is a good looking woman. If Vriska and Tavros's genders were swapped, most people would be losing their minds
@@matthewsteele99 cronus’ introduction flash! Part 2 of Act 6 Intermission 3. It was in one of his conversations with Meenah, possibly the one where he initiates the convo?
I think the Condesce actually killed Dualscar, not the Grand Highblood. Mindfang wrote in her journal that she knew Dualscar was in love with the Condesce and that if the Condesce ever knew he'd be killed for his "unthinkable presumption". Mindfang claims that she'd never stoop so low as the have others settle her score like Dualscar did... but Mingfang did stoop so low when she mind-controlled a bunch of lowbloods to hang Redglare during the trial.
Mindfang blames the Grand Highblood, but in actuality, the Condesce killed Dualscar because Mindfang leaked his information. So that would explain why Eridan killed Feferi and not Gamzee.
I call this video "the better of the two Eridan videos I've watched on this channel, soon to be 3"
The more I think about all this, the more tragic it all is and the less I feel bad for liking Eridan unironically.
Those first 10 seconds are some of the most intense 10 seconds on this platform.
yep
Thank you so much for these piping hot takes, king. You gotta make more content like this, we (the people) demand it.
He's a Derse dreamer so it makes sense he didn't stay in the limelight of the main narrative
Derse dreamers aren't that important guess I would die early if I was in homestuck
@@hopelessamaturerougeofhope4399 same
thank you for the best homestuck content
yore welcom
I thought this was a legitimate joke, but it was one of the best, if not the best, essays on the Vriska Serket. And my god thank you for stating the obvious how disgusting and criminal this relationship between Meenah and Vriska was.
"A young woman walks to her computer **** swinging between her legs she's ready to make fun of a disabled person"
Ah yes what a great start I can already tell this will be good
I remember hating Eridan as a teen because of his nice guy antics… but in retrospect as an adult perhaps I judged him to harshly
Tbh reminds me a lot of equius. He’s also a piece of $hit, but he got choked out of the narrative too early to get any development. Not to mention Hussie’s likely suspect view of women and sa definitely screwed over eq’s development even more
Lol choked out
Nah it's not women. Male characters get SA-ed in their works much more frequently. Andrew really doesn't hide their fetish for dominering women lol
I can rest easy now, knowing that someone finally understands
Unironically way more satisfying than s collide. Genuinely fucking thank you it's fucking crazy how great it is to finally hear someone point this out
thank you for allowing my plebian eyes and ears to experience this pure stream of quality edutainment
I love this content so much, I super hope that you’re still alive
Eridan has always been my favorite character, and I’m happy that an amazing public speaker like you can put all my emotions into words.
Thank you so much, I’m gonna share this video with all my friends who rag on me for loving Eridan (they’ll think this is a Vriska video in disguise, lol)
Weakest Eridan Defender
based video, eridan shouldve gotten a redemption or some similar comeback
It was the best of Vriskas, it was the worst of Vriskas
currently re-reading Homestuck, and I was continually disgusted by Vriska, which I found strange because she was one of my favorites back in middle school when I read it for the first time.
Being able to see her real character before all the timey wimey resurrection bullshit was enlightening, to say the least
I wonder where those quotes from "Hussie" came from at the end since *damn* I thought maybe since he wrote Eridan he'd view him a bit better than how the fandom does but n o p e
I am fully convinced Eridan was some dude Hussie had beef with (or just animosity) on highschool and made sure Eridan got the worst on the character this one dude inspired to, like, boost Hussie's ego with a false sense of vendetta or something
Hussie is a manchild
Hussie is caliborn
i'm pretty sure they came from the physical book adaptations. the books have footnotes at the bottom of each page with commentary from hussie
the worst part of all of this, that this video didnt point out, is that the potential positives of the approach taken with (vriska) and meenah was ALREADY PRESENTED at the end of her arc in act 5 with doomed john. the entire point of her death and resolution in the dreambubbles with john was that in the end, all the bad she did wasnt any form of necessity, all it brought to everyone involved, including her, was pain and suffering. she clearly wanted to reconcile with her friends, terezi specifically, but she doesnt want to put in any of the actual work or emotional vulnerability required to mend the relationship, she wants an easy way out. she believes that if she solves all of her friends problems herself, then itll be some sort of fast track to the absolution she so desperately wants, and it costs her any further chance at reconciliation because her best friend is forced to put her down or be put down due to vriskas own pride. neither party involved is happy about it, it tears terezi up inside to have to do it, and as discussed, all vriska really wanted to accomplish was to be in terezis good graces again. perhaps if john had gotten to her earlier, she wouldve been able to embrace what he taught her before it was too late, but by the time she had just begun to realize that being vulnerable emotionally was not weakness and that pride was her biggest enemy, she was already on the edge of the cliff and thought her only choice was to jump. and so with her final act of stubborn pride, she destroys any chance at mending her past with terezi, and any chance at potential meaningful growth and change with john. she screwed up her life so bad that she left no room for second chances, the only second chance she has left is in death, an entirely fresh start with another version of the person who began to teach her how to change who has no memory of her at all. her constant need to be important to people, to prove her own worth, it all finally comes back around to bite her, and now that she will never be important again, all she has left to do is look inward and figure out that she never needed to be important or strong or cold-blooded or anything like that to be happy, or to have worth. what she needed was to be vulnerable, and shes given the opportunity to do that with doomed john. and so in a perfect world, this is the end of vriskas arc. she lives out(for lack of a better phrase) the rest of her days with doomed john, accepting that she cant fix what she broke in life, and letting it move on without her, making a new life for herself and working to change for the better with someone there to support her.
but this is not a perfect world. instead act 6 brings her back into relevance the first chance it gets, and basically does a complete retread of the arc she had in act 5, all told in a much less cohesive and compelling fashion that tramples all over the perfect conclusion she was given in act 5. and to add insult to injury, in the end, the story bends over backwards to prove vriskas original ideology right and tear down the idea that being emotionally vulnerable was the best thing for vriska and everyone around her by reviving her with bullshit off-brand time travel, the results of which make no logical sense no matter how you spin it. dont even get me started on post-canon bullshit i dont even wanna go there.
sincerely, someone whos favorite character was vriska in act 5
The best part is out of Equius, Eridan, and Vriska (aka the token high blood bitches), Vriska is objectively the worst, most manipulative person there
Equius is just horny and doesn’t actively care about the bloodcasts NEARLY as much as it seems he should as he instead only uses it for his fetish
Eridan is genocidal, true, but he is also very underwhelming as a genodical maniac as he is instead used as a gag for how bad he is at romance. Sure he kills a handful of people but he is immediately overshadowed by Gamzee’s one menacing moment and Vriska killing a singular person before he is vivisected by one of the people who he DID kill who came back as a vampire. There is no room built for redemption and he is sorta half baked character wise
But Vriska? Vriska helped create Jack Noir, manipulated everyone, completely eradicated Tavros’s self esteem and went to do the same to Jake who never recovered, formed an army to use as bait, and more!
Did the same with Jake? When did that happen exactly, didn't think they ever interacted much (its been awhile since I've read the comic, you might have to jog my memory there)
@@BioMega96 The moment Vriska touched down post retcon she decided to immediately begin harassing Jake, remember? Actually was harassing Tavrosprite at the same time which proves she learned nothing from that
Here is something she said to Jake
"You are never going to do anything important, and you'll never amount to anything. Period! Neither is Tavros."
@@beywheelzhater8930 ahhh ok
Honestly Eridan being "genocidal" falls flat. He clearly cares about his land-dweller friends and had the chance to eliminate the lower castes by not helping Feferi feed her lusus. It seems more his genocide complex is mostly just for just for show, he was never really serious about it. He probably liked the fantasy of there only being sea-dweller trolls, but not in reality.
@@Palepetal to be fair
He did shoot the matriorb and doomed their race (if void magic wasn't a thing)
He was just really, REALLY pathetic before then and after that one killing spree so it was really easy to forget that
i'm finally vindicated thinking vriska should not have come back from the dead !! her arc was over and seeing her come back was like being on a date with hussie and finishing a good meal but then he licks the plate clean in front of god jesus my mom and everyone 😭
You’ve freed me of my tweenage crush. Thank you.
If Vriska removes the message of whatever homestuck has, then homestuck shouldn't have a message or moral at all.
ok vriska turned into spider mommy. her lusus made her "stronger" but actually just made her into vriska
Eridan disired and gets constructed a dice based doomsday device and guess who makes it
Moral of the story: vriska is a meanie and eridan is best troll
Yes
so trve
Facts
Yes
yall are insane eridan murdered his girlfriend and one of his friends and tried to team up with the enemy
This is some good shit. Have you seen the Vriskumentary?
vriskumentary?
"great comedy" shows a man dying
Notice before reading:
I hate Vriska. She is one of my least favourite Homestuck characters.
That being said, I believe it makes sense that Vriska is the one to find the ultimate weapon that defeats Caliborn/Lord English.
To me, it makes perfect narrative sense that a monster can only be defeaten by a being as horrible as it is. Caliborn is a selfish child that is incapable of growth or mental development. A selfish, egotistic, mysoginistic piece of shit that is willing to do anything to further his own strength. Vriska is the same. She is an attention seeking bitch that denies others importance and relevance because she believes that she's the center of the universe. She believes herself to be above anyone else in importance. She is willing to do anything to be the "hero", no matter the question of morality. They are 2 extremely similair characters. They both even killed a character (Calliope/Tavros) that is essential to their own growth as a person.
The only difference is that Vriska was afforded forgiveness. Undeserved and unrequited forgiveness.
Keep in mind that the ultimate weapon she unleashed is literally just a box with John, Jade, Dave, and Rose inside of it. She doesn’t defeat lord English, John and Davepeta do.
@@mithril5869 The way how Vriska is cast aside in the final battle after she served her purpose is veeeerrrryyyyy satisfying.
in conclusion: hussie somehow simps for his own character. who is like 13 or so.
This is eridan propaganda and i love it.
Yes we love eridan
Down with Vriska
i like this video, not for any specific reason really, it's just great
*says while having an eridan pfp*
Awesome, dude. Did not expect a gem like that in 2020!
I always come back to this... This was the blueprint...
this is one of my favourite videos ever
Ok, lets try to understand the french part.
"C'est juste déprimant."
Its depressing.
"Comment sommes nous ?" (not sure)
How are we ?
"Toi pisser dans un violon you super tour"
You piss in a violin (french expression about time waste) you super tour (dont know)
"Fini-le afin que nous puissions partir à la chasse."
End it so we can go hunting.
"Une minute, je ne parle pas cette langue."
Wait a minute, I dont speak the langage.
That's the best I can do.
Wow... impressive. You have succeeded when many have failed.
The single greatest hs vid on the site. Cheers m8, you're the voice of the unheard.
YOUR HONOR VRISKA WAS JUST GIRLBOSSING
Overruled
GOD FORBID a GIRL have HOBBIES smh..
(Vriska) is best Vriska and then Vriska had to go into her life and OBVIOUSLY ruin (Vriska)'s life because Vriska, unlike (Vriska), didn't learn shit- *12:48** shows up* Ok I didn't read epilogues, do I have to put (Vriska) in the Vriskabin, too?
In the interest of defending the last shreds of an undeniably and profoundly disturbed being's dignity, I feel compelled to point out that the (Vriska) of the Epilogues is NOT the same one as the Pre-retcon!(Vriska) that Meenah abandoned.
Epilogues!(Vriska) is just the post-retcon Vriska that never went through the development that Pre-retcon!(Vriska) did. She is the current "main" Vriska, for what that's worth, starring in the Act 7 animation and all subsequent continuations of the story.
So to summarise: Pre-retcon!(Vriska) is the nice, punky one. She made her last appearance in [S] Remember with Pre-retcon!Terezi, wherein they may or may not have perished because of LE.
Epilogues/Post-retcon!(Vriska) is the same old quasi-sociopathic spidertroll everyone is well familiar with. She is and continues to be as toxic as an arachnid's sting to everyone around her to this very day.
So that's basically the Vriska state of affairs at the moment. Perhaps it cleared some things up, perhaps it did just the opposite. As HSC Homestuck continues it's downward descent, ditched by it's captain, manned by a vestigial, unprepared crew, perhaps it doesn't matter one way or the other.
Well this has turned into a rant huh? Guess I better cease before I forsake cohesion entirely.
the reason vriska doesn’t receive nearly as much rebuking eridan does is because people are coomers. “if bad why sexy lady hurrr durrr” that’s their logic.
yep. i mean look at hussie and his self insert into the comic...
@@vaniillazilla yes and the fandom loves to dickride hussie so of course they would follow in his footsteps
not the video i expected but the video i needed
Honestly I think Meenah and Vriska's "relationship" was bad for Vriska. Meenah does acknowledge Vriska is too young for her, and Vriska is a sobbing mess when Meenah leaves her. It had a negative effect on Vriska, Vriska didn't need Meenah to frolic in a field and have fun.
It is true Meenah is a pedophile and Vriska is Meenah's victim.
Im only 14 years late to the homestuck party
Hussie had a crush on Vriska, not on Eridan. That's it, and it was creepy as fuck.
14:52 holy shit he got me
JUSTICE FOR ERIDAN!!😿
4:20 i think that Jade's narcolepsy was best girl just trying to manipilate a human being effectively, but she coudln't do it because of the difference in their brain, thus only being strong enough to make them fall sleep on command, which even rustbloods can do with toher trolls
my boy eridan deserved better and i will take that opinion with me to the fucking grave
The only one able to push Vriska to question herself, open up and try something new in a genuine way, was John. If they had nore time togheter, at least as friends, probably this would have been a different story.
We don't talk about Homestuck^2
Nobody wanted it, but it's here and now we've got to deal with everything being fucked by bad writing.
It's also a cash grab that only exists because Hussie and WP are a bunch of idiots with the money.
"a pair of dice" that is like four pairs of dice
i was caught off guard by the beginning of this video
I will continue to read Homestuck with baited breath as i watch another shit storm take place. And how itll somehow tie into The Game.
Finally, someone who hates Vriska as much as I do
These both are my favorites
And Erivris remained my fav ship
I feel like this canal is future!Eridan
I recommend Funk McLovin's Homestuck Alternate Universe for those who want Homestuck with refined character and writing. (They also aged up most of the character so the relationship isn't weird)
I just commented to ruin the 8 comments mark.
A true hero, and a okegom fan, nice :D
I understand wanting to make Eridan a more developed and fleshed out character, but I don't understand the idea of making him essensially the new protagonist. Could someone explain the point of that to me?
the argument is basically that if vriska can become super important to the story because of bullshit and hussie's fetishization of her, there's no reason why eridan who has much more potential and in comparison is a much better person(troll?) shouldn't be
@@spacepiracy1552 I suppose I get that, but I feel like I just wouldn't find him a compelling protagonist. I think I'm biased because I'm disabled irl and his whole culling thing definitely makes him off-putting. Even if the idea is as a protagonist he'd unlearn it.
@@barkbork7528 Vriska causes 2 people to becomes disabled, she is still a much more disturbing choice for a redemption arc by that metric
@@eridanstan4977 Honestly after recently re-reading homestuck, i've come to the conclusion that I love both characters, but neither should be main protagonists lol
i hate vriska shes my second favourite character
"pair of dice" its literally an octet hellooo
WAIT actually i like the eridan video plot twist. i often fantasize about the possibilities of an eridan redemption...
scared of some of the language used here and the Opinions they imply but overall agreed on the main points.
Ive never felt so vindicared by a video, and it has nothing to do with Vriska
WAIT SHES 13???
They are all 13 except when there not
six sweeps at the start, which is roughly the same thing
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r/englishpumpkinparty gang
cringe
11/10 video
What the hell I love Eridan now
bc Hass loves/loved Vriska so...
dont need to say more. author' favorite
also hs^2
one of the writers is crazy fking Vriska fanatic
like the epilogues. dont like and dont care for hs^2 (mb only for actual plot of MEAT timeline)
Vriska was more abusive, Eridan was just annoying
29:08 I LUAGHED SO HARD
Considering post-credits content ? point invalid
for reals tho great video, never thought to see how all these points connect like that, totally agree
Bravo, amazing video. You summarized beautifully why I genuinely don’t like her at all.
where do you get the animated pages? I know for sure a lot of those were still images
edit: like 5:31
12:57 despite what you said I still think that yes, Vriska is one of the most human characters in the comic. The Epilogues are dubious canon and Homestuck 2 is not canon, so we can put that aside and look at her character in the actual story of the actual webcomic
20:45 LOLLL
infinity mirrors, Mr. Ghee? Faded Reality ✨
25:06 Tbh I dont think that they are displaying that relationship positivly. Through out the whole comic(or atleast the part when she is still a young 13 yo) she gets groomed by older people. Vriska as a character is really easely influenced, showed by Doc scratch or mindfangs diary. Anothet part of her is that she acts much more mature for her age, which unfurtunatley makes her an easy victim of such people, as much as she is smart and manipulative, she is still a somewhat naive kid. I think this was meant to show how even when she gets her ‘happy’ ending, she still gets manipulated by someone older; or what Im trying to say is the relationship is showed from her perspective, where she clearly doesnt see anything suspicious with it.
she's my second favorite character
the best way i can describe Vriska is eric cartman.
Ngl w vid
Goodness, incredible video
The only thing that I defend Vriska is the bec noir thing, because if she didn't do that, everyone would be doomed to a doomed timeline. But yeah, she sucks
Vriska is a badly written character as much as The French... i mean Françis in this vid was.
(also didn’t they grow up during the story or…)
ooooohhhhh
going to be honest i think even if eridan has the redemption, it would be written like vriska’s. i don’t think the writing is there anymore
eridan sympathization jumpscare
I’m so fucking confused
23:50 - ...
yeah it's actually true?
Irl you'll get away from ur shit if you are needed and relevant. People at some point just don't give a shit cse people are suck
That's the truth, not a moral
vriska certainly isnt a good person, but to say she isn't a good and complex character only shows your inability or maybe even refusal to engage with/understand her character. you obviously dont have to like her, but so much of this video and so much of your hatred towards her seems to come from a very vague and surface level understanding of her. for one, her murderous habits pre-comic are very explicitly stated to be due to her lusus. she has to feed her or else she'll be eaten. this kill or be kill situation combined with alternia's generally harsh and violent atmosphere are pretty clear ingredients of a person who has a hard time grasping the seriousness of something like death, which also contributes to her own willingness to throw her life away when faced with dangerous and seemingly unbeatable foes. then you take eridan's introduction page where he very explicitly mentions that he has something of a genocide complex and yearns for the death of all land dwellers, an ideology he has no real explanation for other than classism.
to act as if eridan is "more worthy" of redemption isn't really any kind of point. im not arguing that he's a horrible person, he's just kind of a nothing character. you clearly like eridan as a character, and that's totally fine, but it's not like homestuck has any kind of... limit to how many characters can be redeemed. eridan simply doesn't serve a very big narrative purpose outside of murderstuck.
im aware this is kind of an old video, so you may not hold these opinions or feelings on the subject anymore, but i think i just wanted to ramble about it a little haha
also the one relevant thing eridan does in the long run isn't nothing major, just DESTROYING THE MATRIORB thus invariably preventing the future of the troll race until roxy (who none of them knew existed yet) comes along and is forced by space fascist betty crocker to make one out of literally the very concept of nothing.
were it not for that whole thing, they would have been screwed, and there's literally no way that eridan could have known that was a thing that happens.
the clip of him destroying the species' entire chance at survival is even shown in this video but completely brushed over in favor of lambasting vriska's still bad but comparatively minor atrocities.
@@vriskaserketontheps5"comparatively minor" she gave up on beating lord english, which would've killed EVERYONE and EVERYTHING.
Eridan didn't serve a large part of the narrative because Hussie didn't want him to, not because his character CANNOT serve a part of the narrative. What the video is saying is "Eridan could've been redeemed and could've been used in the narrative more often"
And about Eridan's genocidal tendencies, how can you not see how the effects of alternian society on him, but you can see them on vriska? The rivalry between land dwellers and sea dwellers is so strong it supercedes the blood hierarchy. That's how important it is to Alternian Society
@@khalilbarkallah9998 she held onto the weapon for when he turns up, and she was completely alone as of getting it. her plan kinda hinged on having tons of people on her side that could serve as distractions while she set it up. that kinda doesn't work when everyone ditches you in a cave.
furthermore, completely halting the reproductive cycle of your entire species is a different ordeal than just outright killing the parts of it you dislike. if he had more screentime to give proper motive then sure that would 8e one thing, 8ut it's still referred to as a genocide complex.