How To Calculate Density Altitude

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  • m0a.com The FAA defines density altitude as "Pressure altitude corrected for non-standard temperature" What does that mean to us as pilots? I've always defined density altitude in plain english by saying "It's where the airplane feels like it's at."
    In this video I will show you three different ways to calculate density altitude using first the FAA knowledge test supplement image. Next I'll show you the formula I use. Lastly I'll show you how to calculate it on the manual E6B flight computer. Enjoy - Jason

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  • @granthoyt5291
    @granthoyt5291 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    My man rocking two watches.. respect

    • @MzeroAFlightTraining
      @MzeroAFlightTraining  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for watching, Grant!

    • @RydalS
      @RydalS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bet one is UTC

    • @stephencaudle1766
      @stephencaudle1766 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I remember a buddy of mine wore a watch for every time he thought he needed. He had one set to local time, one to UTC time, one to Zulu and one to Greenwich, England.

    • @burningdiego524
      @burningdiego524 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@stephencaudle1766isnt UTC same as zulu?

    • @alialsabbah5511
      @alialsabbah5511 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@burningdiego524that’s the joke. Greenwich Mean Time is also the same as UTC.

  • @Ellexis
    @Ellexis 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Well said Jason. The lack of respecting density altitude has killed many. Unlike the days before EFBs, we can also find density altitude defined for us in ForeFlight, etc. Still, knowing how to work an E6B is a must have for flight training.👍

  • @abbieamavi
    @abbieamavi 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    *I took my written test back in Feb, got a 85% and studied all on my own, mainly free using books from library etc! I made a video on it, but your videos Jason have helped me so much!! I'm taking my checkride this July 20th, thank you for all your help!!* :)

  • @cn9936
    @cn9936 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’ve been struggling with density altitude and will take the pp written soon. Now I get it because of your explanation! Thank you!

  • @deanadamedge
    @deanadamedge 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That’s such a great way to explain this area of learning. You made it soooo much easier for me!

  • @aarongarcia2004
    @aarongarcia2004 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’ve never knew how to use the E6B until this vid. Thank you

  • @jerrymcshan1636
    @jerrymcshan1636 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Jason,Thx's for your recent reviews on both weight and balance and the most recent review on Density altitudes, i'm getting ready to take the written ground exam in the very near future, again I enjoy your videos on TH-cam, Keep up the good work,and I hope to see next Year at Fun n Sun or Oshkosh . Take Care

  • @thanosk488
    @thanosk488 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Good presentation, made DA easy to understand and calculate.

  • @vrendus522
    @vrendus522 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    In my area, a fellow who was a big time medicos, landed at a small high altitude airport in the mountains. The locals there had told him, "If you're going to takeoff, make sure that it's early in the morning when there's a little more substance to the air". This dude was overconfident, waited till a later in the day when the Summer heat began to thin the air out. He took off his little private plane from the little mountain airstrip, the plane could not old the altitude and ended up in a tree. Density altitude to me, in many forms, is vitally important. Thanks Jason

  • @mike20sm
    @mike20sm 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Barry Schiff had a seminar at the AOPA fly in the other day and he cautions that the heat coming off the blacktop runway is higher than as reported in the atis.

  • @rontourage7384
    @rontourage7384 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This comment is for all of you out there reading the book verbatim, lol! Remember that common sense prevails,....rule number one,..."When in doubt, throttle out! In our case it would actually be throttle "IN!" 😀😀. Jason, keep up the good work, great info as always!

  • @CashMoney5280
    @CashMoney5280 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    WOOOOW THANK YOU SO MUCH. I had to watch the conversion formula. I finally understand. Thank you so much!!!!!

  • @marsgal42
    @marsgal42 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When I did the Finer Points of Mountain Flying a couple of years ago our field elevation was 5900 feet (KTRK) and the density altitude was routinely 8000 feet in the afternoon. This required careful thought and planning (and a *lot* of runway) on takeoff...

  • @reviewswithaj1916
    @reviewswithaj1916 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job Jason ! Keep up the good work.
    - Akshay (FO B757)

  • @johnross7281
    @johnross7281 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're pretty amazing you explain things clearly...wish i had you as an instructor....I've passed my flight test near Montreal Canada, but i can;t seem to study for the written...too many things i need help with...

  • @kingkora9538
    @kingkora9538 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You're always the best 👍 Thanks Jason

  • @XassassinTV.
    @XassassinTV. 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I saw a video about a Helicopter rescuing hikers on Mount Everest. The pilot was yelling to only load 2 passengers and no bags. This is why, great video. Know your aircraft performance. Thanks.

  • @JaiPandit1989
    @JaiPandit1989 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    one of the best video for the subject.

  • @chuckturbo9307
    @chuckturbo9307 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jason - Great video. Helped me add to my Cessna 150 Excel Spreadsheet for Aviation Formulas! Accurate to a decimal! "Always Learning" and thanks!

  • @georgehess2635
    @georgehess2635 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When you do the graph estimation, you should be going up to 112ft rather than sea level, which is the pressure altitude you got from the altimeter correction. Overall a great explanation of density altitude, though - thanks!

  • @joeaho2577
    @joeaho2577 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Jason you should use this in the video ground school. I find this easier to understand than just the FAA chart that you explain in there.

  • @kristenenation
    @kristenenation 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you. Your explanations help a lot.

  • @joskovich2753
    @joskovich2753 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's such a hard to understand subject and you make it seem so easy! Thank you very much! You cleared that for me! :)

  • @Harpooooon
    @Harpooooon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you, Jason! Love the formula!

  • @burningdiego524
    @burningdiego524 ปีที่แล้ว

    Taking my knowledge test tomorrow and before this i couldn't understand how to use the graph, but now i do, tysm

  • @catherinekilgour2563
    @catherinekilgour2563 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the interesting and easy to follow video.
    I have never seen a pressure altitude chart before as we don't use them in New Zealand. We also measure air pressure differently but once the pressure altitude is calculated how we get density altitude is the same.
    Looking at the latest weather briefing for my local airfield it is showing a temperature of 25°c and QNH 1006. I'm just glad I don't have to worry about converting °F to °C.

  • @blake9908
    @blake9908 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you! now all my friends and i have the formula for our flight training!

  • @arminbeyg6608
    @arminbeyg6608 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great representation as always Jason. I was just wondering to go from the 25 Celsius marker then up to 112 feet instead of the sea level and then look up the chart in the left or the density altitude since the pressure altitude is 112 feet?

  • @dam4274
    @dam4274 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jason I watch Steveo, Baron Pilot and have seen several other TH-cam pilots and have never seen them use the calculator or calculate the formulas. Do you do the calculations after listening to AFIS and while the engine is warming up? When do you do this?

  • @FloBorge
    @FloBorge 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That formula is easy enough, thanks for that. I'm surprised it's not in the official books.

  • @jakew9887
    @jakew9887 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Video. Liked your formula approach vs. E6-B. Thanks

  • @michaelorff963
    @michaelorff963 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mr. Jason Schappert, thank you for doing the video, sir!

  • @sami10z
    @sami10z 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So great video . Thanks . God bless you

  • @israelcanada8969
    @israelcanada8969 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Best instructor ever period!

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  • @KevinAround
    @KevinAround 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your videos. I'm just bobbing around The Bahamas for a few weeks, but as soon as I'm back, I'm going yo dedicate myself to plowing through to the commercial license. Hm, the electronic calculator is so much easier and quicker, but not many people talk about it. How come?

  • @r0oyaldream
    @r0oyaldream 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    many thanks, you made it easy for me

  • @FranciscoRodriguez-ph2qf
    @FranciscoRodriguez-ph2qf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Old video, but this helped me so much in understanding density altitude and the math, thank you so much!

    • @alexanderwalley2639
      @alexanderwalley2639 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      exactly the same. How far are you in your Flight Training?

    • @FranciscoRodriguez-ph2qf
      @FranciscoRodriguez-ph2qf 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alexanderwalley2639 currently in my second semester of classes and about to take the knowledge test soon, you?

    • @MzeroAFlightTraining
      @MzeroAFlightTraining  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad it helped! thanks for watching!

  • @alexanderwalley2639
    @alexanderwalley2639 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank You So much! I finally have a grasp on calculating Density Altitude. I'm going to stick with the mathematical equation for now.

  • @xaviersorrent2344
    @xaviersorrent2344 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks very much, this helped me a lot

  • @DoctorWessamAtif
    @DoctorWessamAtif 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! Thanks!

  • @markholm7050
    @markholm7050 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Chemist here. Water molecules do not "attach themselves to the oxygen molecules". The reason water molecules (high humidity) lower air density, and raise density altitude is quite simple. Water molecules weigh less than dry air molecules. Dry air consists of 78% nitrogen molecules (N2) and 22% oxygen molecules (O2). Nitrogen molecules molecular weight is 28. Oxygen molecules molecular weight is 32. Water molecules molecular weight is only 18. More water molecules in air, higher humidity, means that lighter water molecules are diluting heavier nitrogen and oxygen molecules. Humid air is, despite the subjective experience, less dense than dry air at the same temperature and pressure.

    • @e4224
      @e4224 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, that explains the smaller mass if the number of molecules stays the same in a given volume. Or if each water molecule in average replaces at least more than 0,62 "air molecules" in that volume. Why this would be the case is not obvious to me though.

    • @Lomhow
      @Lomhow 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wait a minute... Dry air is majority nitrogen... Well now I have to reconsider some things. Thanks for the info!

    • @alexanderwalley2639
      @alexanderwalley2639 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Listen This is Aeronautics, Get your chemistry brain out of here.

  • @hangarnut5660
    @hangarnut5660 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank so much for this explanation.

  • @mustafaqennawy8985
    @mustafaqennawy8985 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you that was realy helpfull keep it up

  • @spdmusicproductions3435
    @spdmusicproductions3435 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks Jason, this does help....however I always struggle with the interpolations on the FAA test question...e.g.Altimeter Setting is 30.87 vs a straight 30.8 They almost never give you a straight up Altimeter setting.

    • @dasrockness
      @dasrockness 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I know this is a year old but here is how I do these questions. 30.8 = -803 and 30.9 = -893 straight from the Density Altitude table in your study material. Your difference is 7/10's the way to 30.9 from 30.8. Therefore you can find 70% of the difference between -803 and -893 and easily find your answer. -893 - -803 = -90. Multiply -90 * .7 and you get -63. Add that -63 to -803 and you got it. 30.87 = -866. To make it easier to not screw up with a negative symbol here or there you can run all the numbers in the positive and then just switch to negative at the end. It's calculating not interpolating but in some cases the answer choices are too close for interpolation.

  • @dasrockness
    @dasrockness 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am having trouble getting this formula to match what Foreflight reports for Density Altitude. I wonder if I am missing something else. My formula is as follows, (Pressure Altitude + Field Elevation)+(120*(OAT-Standard Day)). So for my local airport it's currently DA = (-119+710)+(120*(14-15)). Standard day would be sea level. -2 degrees per 1000 feet. Field elevation of 710 so .71*2 degrees = 1.42 off of the standard 15 degree day = 13.58. Therefore, 591+50.4=641.4'. Foreflight says 810'. Why don't these match up? Is Foreflight just building in a pad so people are more careful? Help!

  • @thegeek3348
    @thegeek3348 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks!! This was really helpful. Do you have one for finding the Pressure altitude? I keep getting those questions on the practice tests and they stump me.

    • @Varifyr
      @Varifyr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      (Standard altitude - current altitude) * 1000 + Field elavation
      I hope you figured it out long before now but if anyone else clicks on your question this is for them too.

  • @MrSam-db1vw
    @MrSam-db1vw 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always tell us why and what are the purpose of doing this now it makes sense a lot thank you

  • @marekjaworski5965
    @marekjaworski5965 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I found this video by accident, why this video is not on "remotepilot101.com" if as I know from other source this may be on 107 test + it explain the "density altitude" better?

  • @courtneybradshaw618
    @courtneybradshaw618 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    how did you get the 15 for standard altitude in the equation

  • @andreazaratin6778
    @andreazaratin6778 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Mildly rusty private pilot here. I have a question about the formula you used. In your example, we are at sea level. If field elevation was significantly higher than sea level, would you adjust ISA TEMP with lapse rate before plugging it into the formula? Apologies if this is dumb.

    • @mark4079
      @mark4079 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Andrea Zaratin did you ever figure out the answer to your question? I'm having a hard time calculating the density altitude using the formula. I'm good with the e6b and chart but when I use the formula I come up with an answer that's a few hundred feet off. My field elevation is 858'.

    • @gerryortiz7276
      @gerryortiz7276 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I know it’s a year old comment but yes to answer your question you would adjust 2 degrees Celsius per 1000 feet of altitude. So if your field elevation is 5000 feet your ISA needs to be OAT - 5 degrees Celsius not 15 degrees.

    • @alexanderwalley2639
      @alexanderwalley2639 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mark4079 you need to know your temperature first. Then subtract that from the ISA and you get a number. Add your 858' to that number and you will get your density altitude.

  • @rapinncapin123
    @rapinncapin123 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really good vid

  • @MrNuzas
    @MrNuzas 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where did you get that massive E6-B?

  • @merafalconer570
    @merafalconer570 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Life saver 🙌🏾

  • @johnpro2847
    @johnpro2847 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    @ 7:05 Should I leave a heavy passenger or a light passenger behind. Should I leave a heavy bag or one light bag. behind.Question : where do you find how much weight is to be off loaded .

    • @dasrockness
      @dasrockness 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Go study up on Weight and Balance.

  • @camerontucker9392
    @camerontucker9392 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I fly a Cessna 150 and I think about this a lot... How do I decide if the density altitude is a go/no go? I understand how to get the number, but how do I figure it is still safe or unsafe to fly in?

    • @MichaelCarrPilot
      @MichaelCarrPilot 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cameron Tucker probably more about can you take off on the runway you have based on the calculations you find for DA and compare performance of your plane and takeoff distance.

    • @timbyrne914
      @timbyrne914 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's what personal minimums are for. E.g. someone with little high altitude experience might want to have two or three times what the performance chart requires for conditions. After a few takeoffs that might get dialed back to a personal minimum of 1.5 times charted performance. For a given plane/field/load that might become a maximum temperature at which one will takeoff. It's all based on the POH performance data and your experience and currency though.

  • @derrickward8031
    @derrickward8031 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi JASON, just want to thank you for your outstanding instruction on TH-cam. Looking forward to signing up for your class. In one of your videos you talk about how to calculate density altitude. You say (density altitude equals pressure altitude + (120 X outside temperature minus standard temperature.) My problem and question is what if outside temperature is less than standard temperature? How are we going to subtract standard temperature?

    • @MzeroAFlightTraining
      @MzeroAFlightTraining  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey Derrick! You would subtract and therefore have a lower DA. If you get a negative number with that formula, you just add the negative which means subtract. If you need any further clarification on this please email us at support@mzeroa.com and we can have a CFI answer your question. Thanks for watching!

    • @catherinekilgour2563
      @catherinekilgour2563 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The calculator on my phone works it out for me even when the OAT is below 15°c.
      PA + ( 120 x ( OAT - 15 ) ) = DA
      if you are doing it manually I would go with a slight change to the formula
      PA - ( 120 x ( 15 - OAT ) ) = DA
      but that change around is not needed if you are typing it into a calculator where you can add the brackets.

  • @WalkerWeathers
    @WalkerWeathers 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I tried using this formula and was 1000 feet too low for a practice question in the Gleim test prep book. It gives 90 degrees F, 30.2" HG, and 4725 field elevation. The density altitude = pressure altitude + (120*(OAT-ST)) formula gives 6534.4 as the density altitude, but other calculators say 7400. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? Numbers used: 4468 + (120 * (32.22 - 15))

    • @skyking2202
      @skyking2202 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Seems silly answering this after 3 years, but I just saw this now. You used 15 degrees C. That's the standard temp for sea level but you needed to use the standard temp for your pressure altitude. Would have been about 6.15 degrees for that PA. Ends up around 7,600 or so.

    • @WalkerWeathers
      @WalkerWeathers 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@skyking2202 Completely forgot I ever left this comment, but thanks for the reply. Brings back memories. Now I answer these kinds of questions for a living.

  • @carolion48
    @carolion48 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks,great info

  • @MichaelCarrPilot
    @MichaelCarrPilot 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    0:43 didn't you mean to say normally aspirated and not non aspirated?
    "Semantics"

    • @LimaFoxtrot
      @LimaFoxtrot 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's technically "naturally aspirated" but who's counting.

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  • @janbazkhan9820
    @janbazkhan9820 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like your vedios very much

  • @DougChristensen
    @DougChristensen 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just calculated the density altitude at my location with current numbers. Temp 6, Baro 30.37, and I come up with -1520 rounding the baro to 30.4. Does that mean that conditions would create great lift and response to aircraft? It is clr with 10sm also

    • @paulr4074
      @paulr4074 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just looking at the data, you have a colder and higher pressure day than standard (15 degrees, Baro 29.92) which would indeed make your airplane perform better. Assuming you're at sea level, your pressure altitude is -450 feet and your DA is -1530, meaning your airplane performs like it is 1,530 feet below its indicated altitude when you have the correct barometer setting (30.37) set in the Kohlsman window.

    • @DougChristensen
      @DougChristensen 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@paulr4074 Thank you for your super clear answer. Basically I was able properly calculate the apparent pressure and handling performance. I have only studied this and enjoy learning more about the complexities of flying. Hats off to all that fly.

  • @adriaanschiltkamp5130
    @adriaanschiltkamp5130 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does anyone know if the OAT reading is taken from the ground or from the air? Also, is standard temperature always 15˚?

    • @MzeroAFlightTraining
      @MzeroAFlightTraining  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes 15° is the standard temperature on a standard day. Also 29.92inHG is the standard pressure on a standard day.

  • @cehupper
    @cehupper 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    In your first solution you get the pressure alt of 112, then never do anything with it, you just use the chart. So why was it even needed?

  • @SteveMartinUSA
    @SteveMartinUSA 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How does humidity factor into this?

  • @shelbygassie2438
    @shelbygassie2438 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Old video, but too many are being confused by saying that ISA is 15 degrees celsius. It is written in the video as
    DA = PA + (120 x (OAT - ISA TEMP)), but instead of saying "International Standard Atmosphere Temp" he says "Standard Temp." Yes, it is true that standard temperature at MSL will be 15 degrees celsius, but ISA implies that you are looking beyond MSL. You are supposed to subtract 2 degrees celsius every 1000 ft about sea level.
    ISA TEMP = 15 - (number of thousands of feet above MSL x 2).
    If you are are taking off from an airport at 2,000 ft, ISA TEMP is 15 - (2 x 2) = 11
    DA = PA + (120 x (OAT - 11))
    If you are taking off from an airport at 500 ft, ISA TEMP is 15 - (0.5 x 2) = 14
    DA = PA + (120 x (OAT - 14))
    Even at my own flight school there are numerous students and even instructors who always use 15 degrees celsius regardless of how high we are above sea level. For something as important as density altitude there needs to be better consensus across the board on how we calculate these things.

    • @CuzzLightyear44
      @CuzzLightyear44 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      thank you very much because I was extremely confused about the standard temp.

  • @7so0one_86
    @7so0one_86 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well said. Thank you so much

  • @forestsze5803
    @forestsze5803 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Isn’t PA separate from your actual physical height, and doesn’t that mean you wouldn’t know what’s standard temperature where you are when you use the chart and E6B.

  • @martinruelas7729
    @martinruelas7729 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent!!

  • @BL4CKKN1GHT
    @BL4CKKN1GHT ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you do a video on interpolation to find pressure altitude? You missed that

  • @jmason4055
    @jmason4055 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    in the first example wouldnt you have gone to sea level but before going across to DA you would have added the 112ft and gone roughly one tenth above sea level before reading across?

    • @MzeroAFlightTraining
      @MzeroAFlightTraining  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi J Mason, yes that is correct. Thanks for clarifying! You can always use the formula as well and it will be more accurate than having to interpolate the chart. If you have any more questions feel free to reach out to our support team at support@mzeroa.com. Thanks for tuning in!

  • @mkepler5861
    @mkepler5861 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    thank you!!!

  • @markmartinez5117
    @markmartinez5117 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job. Thank you

  • @quangha4389
    @quangha4389 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you sir. God bless you🙏🏻✝️

  • @KJAMARO
    @KJAMARO 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video

    • @hemgar1
      @hemgar1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      How does your formula work if the oat is lower than isa

  • @patcaldwell6225
    @patcaldwell6225 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    HELP! I must be missing something... I'm applying the formula to the following example and it doesn't match when I use the chart.
    Example
    Altitude = 5000ft
    Pressure = 30.10" Hg (chart factor of -165)
    PA = 4835ft
    Temp = 4C
    DA = 4835 + 120 x (4 - 15)
    = 4835 + 120 x (-11)
    = 4835 + (-1320)
    DA = 3515ft
    The chart shows approximately 4600ft.
    I'm new to this so I'm sure that I'm missing something obvious.

    • @MzeroAFlightTraining
      @MzeroAFlightTraining  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Pat! Sorry for the late response. Please reach out to us at support@mzeroa.com so that we can help answer this for you. Thank you!

  • @Cosme422
    @Cosme422 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great audio. Around 5:30 the camera should have zoomed in close-up on the numbers. Thanx for sharing.

  • @johnpro2847
    @johnpro2847 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @ 1:50 Water molecules displace air molecules , which makes less room for air, therefor less dense air.

    • @jamescaley9942
      @jamescaley9942 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think it is the density of the air, it doesn't matter the gas as any gas can create lift (e.g. water vapour or N2/O2). Moist air is less dense than dry air because H2 in H20 has less molecular weight than O2 or N2 that makes up air. An engine needs O2 to breath, of course, so if O2 is displaced by any other gas that will degrade horsepower.
      I think ISA and calculations for density altitude assumes %RH is zero (zero water content). But moisture in the air can degrade performance due to reduced air density.

  • @parachutemedical6818
    @parachutemedical6818 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jason, I like the idea using your math equasion because its pretty simple and I dont have to mess with graphs and charts. HOWEVER I cant seem to get the correct answer with it. For example one of the problems I was work on came out with a 1000' difference. I think its something that i'm overlooking. let me show you my work and maybe you can tell me the issue.
    RAW given data: Altimeter setting - 29.25 Temp= 81F (27C) Runway elevation = 5250'
    (altitude correction: 5250' + 626' which totals = 5875')
    the formula calculation. 5875 + [120 * (27c -15c)]
    5875 + [120 * (12c)] solved parantheses first
    5875 + [ 1440 ] solved bracket second
    5875 + 1440 = 7315
    Answer per formula 7315'
    Answer on the e6b and using the chart is 8500'. 🤔🤔🤔
    I'm at a loss on how I'm messing up the math calculation,

    • @alan317us
      @alan317us 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ok folks I got some clarification on the formula method. you have to use degrees fahrenheit. a quick background on this. I was frusterated when i tried to apply the math to the same problem with different numbers. heres the explanation I got back when I wrote in.
      Density Altitude Equation
      Raw Data Given:
      Altimeter setting - 29.25 Temp= 81F (27C)
      Runway elevation = 5250'
      The Math:
      Correction for elevation formula:
      Standard Pressure 29.92 - Given pressure 29.25 = 0.67
      0.67 * 1000 = 670 (elevation correction in ft)
      670 + runway elevation = 5920
      Density Altitude correction formula:
      Corrected elevation of + [120 * (OAT Fahrenheit - Standard temp 59 degrees Fahrenheit)]
      5920 + [120 * (81 - 59)]
      5920 + [120 * (22)] solved internal parentheses first
      5920 + [ 2640 ] solved bracket second
      5920 + 2640 = 8560
      Answer per formula 8560’

  • @AVERYhornyMrDinosaur
    @AVERYhornyMrDinosaur 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i got a question and idk how to google search it. i feel like i already know the answer, and that it's obvious BUT:
    at a high altitude, with your mixture leaned, i heard somewhere that when you do a go around or need power you should enrich the mixture to full. but that doesnt make sense to me at a high altitude. and idk why anyone would ever say to enrich the mixture, ever. i would assume to just get the engine set correctly for it's altitude and leave it. but i don't know for certain.

    • @MzeroAFlightTraining
      @MzeroAFlightTraining  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello! That could be correct depending on the conditions but it all depends. For a detailed answer from a CFI, please send us your question at support@mzeroa.com. Thanks for watching!

    • @AVERYhornyMrDinosaur
      @AVERYhornyMrDinosaur 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MzeroAFlightTraining im not a real pilot, i just play in the sim. so im not gonna do that, ill just assume i should keep my engine running healthy and not change it unless the engine wants me to.
      where im coming from is,
      i was sim flying in Colorado mountains, recreating a crash i saw on youtube, and the plane performed very poorly with full rich mix at that altitude in those situations. i died just like the real plane, N36JJ. but when i mixed it right, i barely survived (by like 20 feet) on the same course (might not technically be the same as the N36JJ flight, but close enough). in regards to that flight, i personally would have maintained a higher altitude earlier, but for the sake of recreation, i started from 10k feet and flew through the mountain passes and i can completely understand how that incident happened. flying through the mountains looks really scenic, feels neat, however they can get steep in a hurry.

  • @sicksidedownvocals1517
    @sicksidedownvocals1517 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    how are you guys finding the standard temp?

    • @sicksidedownvocals1517
      @sicksidedownvocals1517 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      nm found it, its 15 c ON A STANDARD day, 29.92 standard barometric pressure

  • @sawjaws3366
    @sawjaws3366 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can u show a formula that can be used when OAT is less than standard?

    • @MzeroAFlightTraining
      @MzeroAFlightTraining  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Samuel! Use the formula:
      Density Altitude = Pressure Altitude + [120 x (OAT - ISA Temp)]
      If you need any further clarification please reach out to us at support@mzeroa.com. Hope this helps! Thanks for watching!

    • @playa3310
      @playa3310 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MzeroAFlightTraining are you than multiplying 120 by a negative number if the OAT is less than 15 degrees Celsius?

  • @njukibeemusic
    @njukibeemusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is great

  • @mecanicodejetski
    @mecanicodejetski ปีที่แล้ว

    He is using the PA FACTOR FROM THE TABLE, this is my first try and rally was confused as he dont stata that we need use the Pa factor he use as Pa , from the table, 2 Differnt things

  • @f16bmathis
    @f16bmathis 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The question was for 29.80, but you changed it to 29.92, so I'm not sure how to solve my problem, I subtract 112 from? using chart? My problem is 30.30, 25 degrees F, Airport elevation at 3894. I see 30.30 is -348. So using chart, I take 3894 - 348 = 3546, cruise from 25 F up to 3546 then across to about 2100. The closet answer is 2200 so I choose that, but accuracy sucks! Your formula would be -348 + (120 X 4C? - 15C) = -348 + (120 X -11) = -348 + -(1320) = -1668? So confused!

    • @MzeroAFlightTraining
      @MzeroAFlightTraining  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Brian! Please reach out to us at support@mzeroa.com so we can help you with this. Thanks!

  • @muddyexport5639
    @muddyexport5639 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent explanation. Figures don’t lie but liars figure. #Ilovemath

  • @janbazkhan9820
    @janbazkhan9820 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dear sir kindly make a vedio on how to make manual operational flight plan , plz sir

  • @pengchengzhou6632
    @pengchengzhou6632 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Density altitude is pressure altitude corrected for non-standard temperature.

  • @tashuelahnasah6826
    @tashuelahnasah6826 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    one question Jason. Where did you get that huge E6B. It would make a great addition to my cave,😉

    • @gregellis3859
      @gregellis3859 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not sure where he got his, but here is a place you can get one.
      www.tagpilotsupply.com/browseproducts/Classroom-Trainer-E6-B.HTML

    • @tashuelahnasah6826
      @tashuelahnasah6826 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Greg Ellis Thanks Greg.

  • @postulify
    @postulify 7 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    CFI here. I had to give you a thumbs down on this vid Jason. you make a statement that you are only affected by DA if you are in a non turbo charged aircraft. Although the engine, in a turbo charged aircraft, will be able to perform at sea level pressure, the prop and wing performance will still be reduced at high DA. you are not immune to DA because you have a turbo, you are simply improving one of three performance areas of the aircraft.
    the false sense of security of a turbo charger is also responsible for lives being lost.

    • @Rodhern
      @Rodhern 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Allen, try to listen to the video once more. Jason says that airplanes with turbo charger or turbine engine(s) should not use the introduced DA rule of thumb. If you disagree, you are probably saying that such aircraft can in fact use the density altitude rule of thumb.
      For instance, does a turbine engine powered aircraft at standard sea-level pressure (29.92) and at 25 deg C feel the same, and thus climb the same, as at 15 deg C with approx. 1200 feet of pressure altitude? My guess would be that high temperature reduces performance more than low pressure. It is an interesting question though. Do you know the correct answer?

    • @postulify
      @postulify 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Even a turbo charged aircraft can use the DA rule of thumb. As DA increases, performance decreases. This is true for all aircraft but a turbo HELPS reduce the decrease in performance as DA increases. The wing and prop are still less efficient. You can help some with a constant speed prop and special wing designs, but thats all they do is HELP. None eliminate the effects.
      As for the question about the reduction in performance, temperature has a much longer arm on the performance factor (DA) of all aircraft. I could write a novel on the subject, but what it comes down to is hot air is less dense than cold air. The lower the density, the less air you have to create lift, thrust, and the further (runway length) you will need for takeoff and landing.

    • @Rodhern
      @Rodhern 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for the clarification.

    • @bradhilsden7147
      @bradhilsden7147 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm just curious, turbocharged aircraft would have their own performance charts in the POH to aid pilots in making takeoff and landing decisions in higher DA wouldn't they?

    • @andyboles4319
      @andyboles4319 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I mean he did a great job explaining density altitude calculations which helped me out as a student pilot. One mistake about a somewhat unrelated subject shouldn’t warrant a thumbs down IMO

  • @johnsmith6266
    @johnsmith6266 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you

  • @bryanaveri6816
    @bryanaveri6816 ปีที่แล้ว

    Something I never understood is water displacing air. Yes, it affects the engine, but why is it so detrimental to the wings and lift? A hydrofoil wing or water wing would create more lift, ... Yes?

  • @CeeJayC3903
    @CeeJayC3903 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where did you get 15?

    • @jlowenthalc
      @jlowenthalc 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      15 is the temperature at MSL.

  • @Jake-gy3tk
    @Jake-gy3tk 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Man you really got me messed up because you didn't say anything about lapse rates at standard temperature. People are probably using this formula without calculating the standard temperature at their given altitude. If you use 15 degrees for your equation when you're actually at 5000 feet you'll get the wrong answer.

  • @BrianAnim
    @BrianAnim ปีที่แล้ว

    0:43 I think NA stands for naturally asperated. Not "non asperated"

  • @prestonwinters9656
    @prestonwinters9656 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man the always do simple problems I need something more complex like in the books because the test always has questions that are significantly more difficult

  • @simcharosenfeld9530
    @simcharosenfeld9530 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much I really appreciate it, I tried it with the altimeter setting of 30.20 = (-257) on 21 Celsius as follows 21-15 = 6 x 120 = 720 = + (-257) = 463 and dosn't match my chart. ???? HEEEELP PLEASE ????

    • @timbyrne914
      @timbyrne914 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      simcha rosenfeld the formula will only approximately match the chart. The chart is based on a more precise formula. For FAA testing if you are asked to use a chart you need to use the chart to get close enough to their answer to be sure you'll get it right.

  • @pavelavietor1
    @pavelavietor1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello density apply to all types of propulsion including turbo charged engines so air density affects all aircraft performances fail to understand this will kill you it is that important. Saludos

  • @kevinwatkins6510
    @kevinwatkins6510 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video.
    Why are you wearing two watches tho? :D
    Greetings from Germany

    • @MzeroAFlightTraining
      @MzeroAFlightTraining  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Kevin! One watch is for local time and one is for Zulu (GMT) time. Thanks for tuning in!

  • @saib717
    @saib717 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The transponder behind him is set an emergency 7700

  • @philliphill3390
    @philliphill3390 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really like your presentations however, (please don't take this badly), bottom line--you talk too much! Do away with long pre explanations, just get to the point, show us how it's done and be finished. You continually go back and re-explain and re-explain. This is what my ground instructor did and I STRUGGLED to understand and stay awake during his presentations. Please take this as instructive, not destructive. Looking forward to more videos from you! Thank you!