WEIRD and COOL Retro Shifter!!! 😮
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- Testing out the Diacompe ENE Shifter! Such a cool piece of retro/modern tech. Lots of other interesting bike parts at: www.somafabsho...
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I have a set of these, because I love weird crap. It's worth trying them mounted underneath the levers rather than behind them. Depending on your setup and hands, this can make them more accessible and/or accessible from more hand positions. Also I find they work better with brake housing than shifter housing -- they have a ton of leverage, and I've actually ruptured shifter housing with them. They're hard to recommend simply because of their price, but they're very natural and convenient to use once set up to suit.
It's cool that they made a groove for your thumb to go through while on the hoods, but I'd be concerned about getting my thumb stuck in there during a fall. Also, it'd be cool if they made rubber grips to go on the shifter levers. Overall, they look really cool and like a good, simple solution for shifting. Friction shifting is always nice and smooth. Another great video, Russ!
Definitely a design flaw
Could also be a problem in the autumn/winter wearing long finger gloves.
I just use an old Deore DX thumb shifter in friction mode. With a longer bolt, the steel band can be expanded to fit around the 23.8 drop bar and the shifter has enough throw to accommodate my 1x9 setup. Oh, and it didn't cost $212 like the Dia Compe Ene wing shifters!
I need this in my life, but that stay at home dad life pays little to none 😅
Now with the Rona changing work culture, it's easier than ever to find online work! :)
I was going to install bar end shifters on my touring bike but I forgot that I have an old pair of Suntour command shifters kicking around my garage and I think I will give those a try first. I remember these working really well on my commuter bike back in the day.
I had Kelly Take-Offs on a CX bike. They put the downtube shifters right next to the brake levers, better angle than the diacompe. Worked pretty well
I have a set of orginal ones from the 91 and they're great. Shifting with the thumb and then with the index finger is so easy. Kept them when I sold the bike and forgot about them until I saw your post on Insta and didn't even think to put them on bike with modern rear derailleur, I'm going to give them a try on my Cannondale XS800 build with Easton EA70AX bars,
Suntour did something like that in the 90's called command shifters but they looked more modern and the levers were longer so you could mount them under the brake leaver clamp, and kind of partly under the rubber of the hood. The only issue is they were Suntour indexed (no friction mode) and only went to 7 speed, but you could dismantle them and remove the indexing ball bearings to give you full friction mode.
They did an 8 speed indexed version (which could be switched to friction whilst riding). Have a set on my Superbe Pro bike from 1993, which I'm currently refreshing.
(Also have a 7 speed indexed set, which I think also has the friction option)
@@piltrid1 If I remember correctly the the friction setting (labelled F7 on the shifter) was actually "soft indexed" but the 8 speed ones might be different.
@@chris1275cc Good call! Went to garage to check. 7 speed: Indexed or "soft indexed". 8 speed: Indexed or "very soft indexed!" 8 speed is closer to friction then indexed, but is something there. Different to the 7 speed.
I rode with them for several years, until a mounting band (spot welded, flat steel) broke. The mount held the shifter beside the brake body & that was key. Otherwise a mtb indexed thumbshifter with an extra wing. In the same period Burley was shipping tandems with indexed thumbshifters installed on the center of drop bars, next to the stem clamp, so instead of reaching down to a barend you moved your hand over - worked a treat on pavement, not so steady/accessible on trail.
Those are cool looking. Would look good on my ‘89 Bridgestone MB2 w/drop bars. Currently using bar end shifters.
A copy of the "Suntour Command Accushift Plus Shifter"
Not really, Suntours are quite more refined, and indexed, and sought after (I'd love to have them) .... but the concept is the same, yes.
ty. I mounted my old pattern Dia-Compe shifters below my brake levers.
Will try that next! Didn't think to do that.
I have a Suntour Stifters of that kind, not just friction but 7gear shifters, Originally black I polished and even hollowed them with a hole. I turned the handlebar and cut the ends off, looks like a bull‘s horns. Brake cables reversed. Very comfortable and easy shifting.
I had the plastic suntour version of this. Interesting. But it does get in the way to wrap my palm around the bars. I finally go singlespeed ever since. I'm that cheap 😁
I just bought these for a gravel bike conversion similar to in the video. Bars with short reach and under tape cable housing is a struggle. I'm sure these work better with cable out the top old style brake levers on standard zero to little flair drop bars. They're interesting. I'm going to run them a while before I decide to do something more conventional. They're different. Most people will have no idea what they are. The cool factor is a 10! Function? We'll see.
I used to run one of these on my Pinarello cyclocross in Seattle in the early 90's. I really liked it, I thought they were a great design.
I use a similar set up for my budget vintage mtb to gravel bike build. Though rather than these shifters I use microshift’s compatible thumb shift with a advent 1x9 in the same position. I’ve been using this set up in friction mode for a few months now and absolutely love it compared to bar ends. The ease of set up, low price and maintenance make it a no brainer.
Interesting. Expensive is an understatement Russ. They cost as much as a pair of Ultegra mechanical leavers.
Please put the price back I to your videos. It is interesting information!
Thanks for the review of this crazy piece of tech
The last time I use Diacomp parts was on my Dyno Compe
still crying my compe was stolen many years ago :(
There is a ton of shifters like this. The base of course is pure down tube shifters but with their own clamp. There is ones on the quill stems, on the handlebars (been refereed as thumb shifters), bar ends and now this. I'm sure that there is more of them. There are ones purely with friction, there is indexed with anything from 6 to 11 sp and for different systems and combined of course.
IMHO bar end shifters does a perfect job, there is no need for this expensiv shifters.
There is no "need" but its fun as hell to try stuff.
@@PathLessPedaledTV :D
I love bar end shifters and have them on all my dropbar bikes but their con is that they are exposed to breakage in case of a crash. This Suntour Command Accushift Plus Shifter copies are in a more protected position.
Very cool, I've been thinking about trying one of these. I really like friction shifters but never completely loved bar-ends, so these are definitely an option.
I've been looking for a suspension lockout lever for my theoretical drop bar mtb (not building anytime soon). These shifters are the first thing I consider "good enough".
Proper blingy and somewhat intriguing. That thumb positioning I am not too keen on, though. Its one of the big conundrums for me that there are not at this day and age proper shifters for MTB groups for "racing" bars. Am running a mix and match lot of derailleurs, with a road front and a MTB back, both on friction with the Retroshifters triple ring Sugino front and 9 speed cassett in the back on the LHT. Trying to wind my head round 10X and 2 by 20 and such, but choose to go for the triple ring back when I built up the LHT 8 years ago, after a quick ponder of the 2 ring alternative. Seemed the reasonable thing to do, for a "one bike" set-up, which was what I was aiming for then.
Thanks for another great video!
This would look cool on my BMX show bike. I got a standard friction pod on my top tube coming out of the side of BMX padding. It's got it's kind of a lowrider rat twisted chrome banana seat BMX , lot of BMX race parts with a 3-speed 3-sprocket freewheel and a Shimano derailleur.
Definitely not not my thing, but I love seeing all the no standard options for bikes that I had no idea existed. And who knows, maybe the next version of wackiness will be my jam. Keep up the good work.
I want this. Only because it looks cool.
for the price you can get Dura Ace shifters with Paul thumbies
So do I need these, not really. That said, I MUST HAVE THESE!
I've Suntour command shifters on a 90's Apollo equipe g.t racing bike, very similar to these, in my youth downtube shifters was the norm!
Very cool but the thought of having my thumb stuck in that gap and coming off the bike terrifies me. Bye-bye thumb!
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I have a super rare shifter. No one in my town knew what it was or how to service it. It was literally a shifter like a lever. The bike is from the late 70s from a company called AMF Let me know if you’re interested in seeing it!
cool shifter!
Terrible design unless losing a thumb is the purpose
I agree, Kwacker! Especially on gravel where you're bumping around!
I think it's really not intended for use on bars like that, which result in angling the lever in toward the bar, pinching down on the thumb space. He addresses this in the video, but yeah probably more intended for touring than bombing technical singletrack.
Yeah seems odd that they wouldn't invert the design so that the thumb could sit on the outside of it.
The first thing I thought of. Nuh-uh.
I bought a used '91 Bianchi Volpe that had a very similar indexed Suntour shifter. I hated them, as they were not friendly to my carpal tunnel issues. Scruching my thumb up to use these was unpleasant. I replaced them with Suntour friction Barcons. I don't think I have them anymore, but if I find them, I'd be happy to send them for you to try out.
I looked at these as an option for building my bike as an alternative to a bar end. It was the price that put me off.
Any chance this comes in wireless? And it'd be cool, Russ, to see you test both shifters with early-model bars and brakes. And do party pacers actually shift?
I noticed it in your last video. I like it👍
Hey Russ, awesome video. Did you find this shifter got in the way when you were riding chunky gravel? I feel like I’d hit my thumb maneuvering my bike while out of the saddle.
A little bit but nothing terrible.
AlexCycles are currently listing single wing shifters!!
Ironic, that PLP are back into 2x and this component is available for 1x?
😅🤣😂😅🤣😂
I wish you'd demonstrated the ergonomics of using the other shorter wing -- is this intended to be used when you are in the drops? And/or perhaps when you are in a particular part of the range where this wing becomes more accessible? I've seen a similar design that fits on the tops of the bars near the stem, rocking fore-aft -- so you can use your thumb to push the front wing forward/down over the front edge of the bar, or the back wing backwards/down over the backside
They are beautiful BUT feeding you thumb through looked a bit like it would snap your thumb like a twig in a tumble HOWEVER as flat bar shifters I bet they’d be ultra cool 😎
Really cool and nowadays extravagant stuff. Never boring your channel. Like the change of content from Laura and you, Russ. ... Did I spot a dropper post lever on the left side?
' curious for the vid- is it out yet, did I miss it? Please give me the link, thanks!
Dropper vid not out yet.
@@PathLessPedaledTV 👌 gotta stay tuned. Set up my son's mtb tubeless in the meantime, tired of helping him out patching up all the time. Still can't keep him from riding cushy 13ish psi, though (damn). Well, kids, right?
The kids are alright. - Pete Townsend
Yes, this method i adopted in my fixed gear, now become custom cheap TT bike
That is expensive version of suntour Commander
Same as the suntour command
I rode Command Shifters for a few years back in the early 90's...they shifted great, loved them...when the right mount broke at that time I could not find s replacement because Suntour closed shop and the bike shops unloaded their stuff...now to be honest not too many cyclist rode with them because Shimano just came out with the dual shifters and they took off...would I buy these today, not for 200$, no way! These should sell for 50$....and today's version has the levers designed wrong unless they were installed wrong...the end piece should go outward, away from your thumbs...right now you can lose your thumbs....
I installed like how they have it on the Diacompe site 🤷🏽♂️th-cam.com/video/X951eK-gl_w/w-d-xo.html
@@PathLessPedaledTV Well, on early suntour manual, you should install this kind of shifter closer to the brake lever than what you did in the video. The Dia-Compe video used retro handle bar but your bike is modern one.
Heya Russ, when is the Paul Klamper brakes review coning?
I must admit, these look awesome. How do you think they'd work on a pair of swept-back alt-bars (e.g. Nitto Albatross)?
Russ, good film, is that a handlebar stem top mount for a wahoo element? If so can you tell me where you got it, haven't seen that type of mount before.
hello can you tell me the model of the changes and where you bought them thanks
I think that shifter are much better for bullhorn bar
What about the SUNRACE Shifter Slm96m, 9 Speed! costs only 30 €/ $. Maybe a decent Budget option for some. 👆😉
I'd try them but I dought I'll throw out my friction thumb shifters. I don't want to think about an OTB & my thumb staying w/ the bike.
I don't like the design that sandwiches one's thumb between the shifter and the handle bar. That is one bicycle accident away from having a broken thumb.
My question is would it work better if extended from the bar a smidge? Also would a possible hack be mounting it straight to the lever possibly allowing the hand to be on the hood while having access as well as removing what looks like interference from the corner bar hand position. Not sure if I caught it but how many speeds does it work for?
can you try the advent x RD with a shimano brifter? I know they say it isn't compatible but I want to know the actual result, and the incompatibility may be tolerable.
it'd be much appreciated.
Thanks for this one, Russ. I recently mounted a bar top shifter below the brake lever on my drop bar MTB. It tucks in nicely and is always right under my finger when I need it. It's also a bit in the way all the time, but I'm used to it and I like it. I had to go to the parts bins for a shiter with a steel strap that would open enough to fi a road bar. Most thumb levers are 1/16th" smaller in diameter and have a machined clamp that won't fit.
I'm looking to make the same change to my touring bike. Are you aware of any other solutions? Something that would allow me to keep indexed shifting would be great...
@RollinRat Thanks. I think Velo Orange sell what I'm after. Its been a few months and I've decided I'm not that fond of bar end shifters. But it isnt that important. In the meantime I've started a couple of other projects. That should keep me from tearing apart my real bike, so I can shut up and ride.
@RollinRat It turns out to have been a more interesting project than a bike. With fairly conventional road stem and bars on a 26" mtb with road tires it isn't anything special. The balance is kind of weird. I'll start with a 29er next time. Ill be putting swept bars on Frankenbike next. It's a Neverending Project
@RollinRat You mean 26" rear and 700c front? No, I haven't. I switched to drop bars because of a sore wrist. If I can find the right steel 29er frame, though, anything could happen.
They are cool but imagine having your thumb severed in a crash :3
Highly unlikely but I guess fun to think about. Falls in the same category as having an artery cut open by a disc rotor.
Hey Russ, do they have the ratcheting that the silver shifters have from Riverdale? Or are they smooth and quiet?
They ratchet in one direction and quiet in the other.
im planning to buy a roadbike but the gear shifters is not in the drop handblebar, it's on the straight bar and i want to put gearshifters in the handle bar. Should i remove the gearshifter that is on the middle and buy a new one for the drop handlebar? (sorry for the bad grammar)
what's the name of the shifter?
ENE Wing Shifter.
Easy+Cheap Thumb remover!
where can I get this in the Philippines
They look like a more awkward version of Kelly Take Off Gear Lever Adaptors, not for me as I have large thumbs & like flared bars.
do you think these would work with 12 speed Shimano MTB Cassette?
Yes.
What the materials that shifter
What's new with Eric and Mike ? I watch PLP and Eric and no word yet on ACN.
There’s a whole new channel.
Does it come in other colors?
What name shipter
What is that thing on top of your steerer tube?
Garmin mount.
not complete a youtube channel reviewing dia compe without nitto stuff.
please try another weird stuff like nitto sigma bar.
or nitto rm-2.
and go to japan.
any handlebar is sucks.
and design your own handlebar at nitto.
nitto supple bar.
Do these shifters have a friction setting or are they only indexed?
Only friction.
Hey can we get a fresh invite link for your discord?
That design its kind of dangerous. Imagine fall off the bike and get your thumb trap in that cut out...
Well, it is uncomfortable and probably dangerous to your thumbs, tricky to fit anywhere but an old bike, and expensive.
Wonder how they’d work on more upright bars. My bikes are recumbents and I don’t use drop bars. Any ideas?
These look uncomfortable, they're incompatible with modern components, and are wildly expensive to boot... tough sell. I get the idea, but at least outfits like Velo Orange engineer their parts to be practical and fill real gaps in the market. This looks like something dragged out of the antique parts bin with no real thought about real-world applications.
I used it with modern components.
@@PathLessPedaledTV They're poorly adapted to housing routed under the bartape (ie any lever from the last three decades or so) and are hard to squeeze on short-reach bars. And as another commenter said, if that thumbhole isn't outright uncomfortable while you ride, it's certainly an injury hazard in a crash. Tough sell.
It's just really hard to give them credit for bringing back a component that's an awkward fit even for us retrogrouches. I'm always happy for more diversity in the component market, but this doesn't make a very strong case for itself.
I suggest a new name for these. “Thumb breakers”.
"If you wanna know something and he won't tell you, cut off one of his fingers. The little one. Then tell him he has to run an Ene wing shifter next. After that he'll tell you if he wears ladies underwear. I'm hungry. Lets get a taco." -Mr White, Reservoir Dogs.
$200 for a piece of metal nothing more
Sure. You can look at everything like that.
I have been lookingvat these with interest, but I have tektro brakes on my bike. I agree it would be nice to have a more suitable modern version.