Where does Nikola Jokic rank among all-time greats like Kareem & Wilt Chamberlain? | NBA Countdown

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  • NBA Countdown's Mike Greenberg is joined by Stephen A. Smith, Jalen Rose and Michael Wilbon to discuss where Denver Nuggets center Nikola Jokic ranks among top big men in NBA history.
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  • @aetazazsiddiqui6605
    @aetazazsiddiqui6605 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    THE SOMBORE SHUFFLE IS SIGNATURE JOKIC 😭😭😭

  • @pg13pacernation30
    @pg13pacernation30 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Jokic is so skilled he makes it look easy.
    THE TRUE MVP!!!!

  • @sexualchocolate7825
    @sexualchocolate7825 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    It's funny how they're trying to give credit to Jokić, and also immediately take credit away from him. Great job Stephen A.

    • @tigerhoods7927
      @tigerhoods7927 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      We know stephen a is a joke

    • @EJ-gx9hl
      @EJ-gx9hl 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It’s his dislike of foreign players

  • @StrueSlies
    @StrueSlies 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    Give us a break and just let the man play. Let him win a couple of titles first.

    • @davidsantos9451
      @davidsantos9451 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Gotta win 1 first

    • @chrismyco7950
      @chrismyco7950 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@davidsantos9451 Shaq was beating triple teams. triple teams, the only guy I've ever seen do it.

  • @mr.joshua6818
    @mr.joshua6818 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    Players really don't get a chance to just have a career anymore do they? The industry built around the NBA (media etc.) is ridiculous. The fact that some of the commentators make anywhere near what the players do is a crime.

    • @mr.joshua6818
      @mr.joshua6818 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      An entire career speculating what others will ACTUALLY accomplish instead of getting a real job. Excluding former players, they're good.

    • @visualizeme-tz3ng
      @visualizeme-tz3ng 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Exactly. That's why I hate sports nowadays. Let the dude win a chip first before comparing them to the all time greats. Smh

    • @Zenigundam
      @Zenigundam 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@mr.joshua6818 Agreed
      Even though Stephen A. Smith spent his 20s and 30s as a beat writer and Skip Bayless spent about fifteen years as an underpaid underling at ESPN before coming to the limelight, they have done nothing but get paid for basically being entertainers/actors, not actual newscasters.

    • @mr.joshua6818
      @mr.joshua6818 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Zenigundam pretty much. As soon as they started getting paid real money they fed the machine.

    • @Mario_GamerZ
      @Mario_GamerZ 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Zenigundam NBA players and entertainers make more money the firemen, teachers, police, doctors. Even though players are just entertainers

  • @WrestlingIsReal649
    @WrestlingIsReal649 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Y’all trolling at this point 😂😂😂

  • @hpavil
    @hpavil 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    this is so stupid. these analysts were ignoring jokic this entire season, now all of a sudden after this playoff run they believe in him. ok so if playoff success is the only thing that convinces you of his greatness then let these finals play out and let him finish his run first before asking stupid questions like this. nba media is so fake and contrived.

  • @spongequan1207
    @spongequan1207 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    They can’t be serious with this question smh

    • @JoeDonuts1212
      @JoeDonuts1212 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      As far as “greatness” goes, Jokic is nowhere near those guys. But as far as being good at bball, Jokic is possibly the best big man to do it. At least offensively speaking

  • @ryankayombya7576
    @ryankayombya7576 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    SOMBOR SHUFFLE????? These guys are casuals😂😂. But why are they even comparing him to legends he hasnt done anything yet

  • @kudabeen
    @kudabeen 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    These are the things that cause basketball fans to turn away...Let Jokic build.

  • @LeksoS
    @LeksoS 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wilbonehead behind the curve on Sombor shuffle

  • @merrekeste3385
    @merrekeste3385 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Jokic wins 3 championships he in the Goat convo 🐐🗣‼️💯 HE SO COMPLETE AND A MASTER AT WORK

    • @Dr.Zoidberg_2914
      @Dr.Zoidberg_2914 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah if he win three he’s the goat he’s already taking all the records away from the goats

  • @seanpowell3755
    @seanpowell3755 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I hope this is the return of the big men and real basketball

    • @ace20016
      @ace20016 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Back to basket C/PF? I seriously doubt. Since Nikola Jokic’s game isn’t exclusively back to basket play.

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      they need to bring back hand checking too

  • @YousufAhmad0
    @YousufAhmad0 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Jokic is a walking talking oxymoron. He's a lumbering athlete who's quick thinking. He's a center guard and a point center. He's a stretch mark 4. He's superman!

  • @jaredshore362
    @jaredshore362 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Everyone forgets this is Arvydas Sabonis 2.0. Jokic is doing what that dude was doing, during the Shaq and Kobe era.

    • @m9ch15l
      @m9ch15l 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No he didnt.. way past his prime when he arrived in the nba

  • @mikeymike7738
    @mikeymike7738 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think Denver just figured it out and this is just the beginning.

    • @martybyrde1105
      @martybyrde1105 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are right bro, great take. Now its 1 - 1 going back to miami hahahaha ur joker is in troublee

    • @dewman7477
      @dewman7477 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@martybyrde1105nuggets won series idiot

  • @rusone2516
    @rusone2516 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Imagine if Skinny PFs and SFs tried to guard Prime Hakeem, Shaq and Dream. Wonder what kind of numbers they would've put up if they didn't have to go at true 7 foot centers every night.

  • @Casskgk
    @Casskgk 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They only made this segment to make him More popular. Get y’all talking. It worked

  • @MrCPH22
    @MrCPH22 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Raise your hand if you’ve heard about the Sombor shuffle…

  • @jorgemunoz2065
    @jorgemunoz2065 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Jokic playing great but Jesus Christ they are insane with narratives. They did not say anything all season

  • @sdotscheckmeout
    @sdotscheckmeout 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    His release is signature. So yea he does have a signature move. You choose not to acknowledge it

  • @CHICANOYOULOVE2HATE
    @CHICANOYOULOVE2HATE 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you Jalen Rose for saving the segment, they sounded crazy cuz they answered to a different question on the board than the one on screen. No, Jokic is nowhere close to being the most dominant. Yes, he is the best player in the league today and should have been the MVP. Hes already in the record books, currently in the finals...and as much as the statement is over used, Nikola Jokic's game and combination of skills is something Ive never seen before. I don't think its style of play can be emulated

  • @MrDivljakse
    @MrDivljakse 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Overanalyzing is precisely what bugs me about modern basketball in the NBA. Jokic is unique, he's a beast, but let the man play, don't overreach with statistics and milestones for once. It is something that breeds fanboys and haters at the same volume and its annoying.

  • @ryanmirdadian9850
    @ryanmirdadian9850 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You guys gotta be kidding me

  • @merrekeste3385
    @merrekeste3385 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ALL I KNOW IS IF JOKIC🐐 WINS 3 CHAMPIONSHIP RINGS HE THE GOAT CENTER AND TOP 3 PLAYER EVER

  • @mattybuu4910
    @mattybuu4910 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Nostalgia nonsense. Kareem shot his "unstoppable" skyhook at less than 50%.

    • @joeku2004
      @joeku2004 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Your telling me your putting Jokic over Kareem, I'm assuming that

    • @ace20016
      @ace20016 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@joeku2004
      You see how delusional Nikola Jokic fans are

    • @JoeDonuts1212
      @JoeDonuts1212 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      People refuse to accept the superstars nowadays are light years ahead of back then. They love to stick with the old school🥴

    • @jeremiahsmith7706
      @jeremiahsmith7706 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You lied. For his career, with as many skyhooks as he's taken, he shot 50% on skyhooks.

    • @motrellmorrid543
      @motrellmorrid543 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@joeku2004right. Kareem has the highest win shares for a big man in history and it ain’t even close. These casuals tripping

  • @ersdummerjunge1534
    @ersdummerjunge1534 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2:20 a healthy and consistant AD
    LMAO 🤣🤣🤣

  • @EricBilodeau-ln9vy
    @EricBilodeau-ln9vy 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    If Jokic can win 3 titles, 3 FMVPs, 3 MVPs he could have the argument as the GOAT big man. No bigman has 3/3/3. Shaq has 4/3/1, Duncan has 5/3/2. Kareem has 6/2/6. Hakeem has 2/2/1. Moses Malone 1/1/3. Wilt has 2/1/4. Willis Reed has 2/2/1. Giannis has 1/1/2. David Robinson has 2/0/1. Bob McAdoo has 2/0/1. Dirk has 1/1/1. Bill Walton is 2/1/1. Only Bill Russell could have done it but the FMVP didn't exist until his final season so he's 11/0/5. So to me 3/3/3 is the bar for big man GOAT.
    Even outside of bigs only 3 players have ever done it. Kobe only has 5/2/1. Larry bird has 3/2/3. Steph has 4/1/2. KD has 2/2/1. Kawhi has 2/2/0. D-wade has 3/1/0.
    The only 3 to accomplish it are Magic 5/3/3. LeBron 4/4/4. And MJ has 6/6/5.
    Jokic is currently at 0/0/2: but he's chasing that elusive accomplishment.
    Even the 2/2/2 club itself is super-elite. it's just Kareem, Larry Bird, Tim Duncan
    Magic is the only 3/3/3 member
    Lebron the only 4/4/4 member
    And MJ the only member of the most prestigious of them all the 5/5/5 club

    • @culifabrizio1479
      @culifabrizio1479 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bird qnd russell are better than magic

    • @OspreyFlyer
      @OspreyFlyer 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Certainly a benchmark to consider!

    • @otakrandom2557
      @otakrandom2557 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If jokic 3/3/3, Jokic can considered as goat of Basketball, not only big man 🐐🐐

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@otakrandom2557 mj will be goat forever

    • @otakrandom2557
      @otakrandom2557 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ziginaigra not forever, it will be joker one day

  • @reginaldbermillo4993
    @reginaldbermillo4993 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's difficult to insert Jokic in the top big men in the history because he can't play defense, most of the top big men are good both in offense and defense

  • @TheBestMovieAlive
    @TheBestMovieAlive 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Once it’s all said and done, he will be the best. He isn’t 7’1” though.

  • @metalmythology6282
    @metalmythology6282 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just because he is on pace to be up there dosent mean he is

  • @jn1346
    @jn1346 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He got stopped by Kevin Mccalister lmaoooooo

  • @ralph.aguinaldomd
    @ralph.aguinaldomd 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Lol everybody on the Jokic bandwagon now 😅

  • @tigerhoods7927
    @tigerhoods7927 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Lol only on espn they don’t let anybody career play out anymore

  • @alkebulanlion6198
    @alkebulanlion6198 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    He amazing best player right know but he not Kareem the goat center and Shaq the most dominant center. Hakeem the best defensive center.

  • @superdopehiphop
    @superdopehiphop 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Jokic first player EVER in a single PLAYOFF RUN to have most total
    POINTS
    ASSISTS
    REBOUNDS
    At 28 years old and younger here is the most 50%+ FG% TRIPLE DOUBLES (including playoffs):
    Jokic 96 (will be 110-120 by Feb 19, 2024 when he turns 29)
    Oscar Robertson 80
    Magic Johnson 75
    No one else ever has more then 30!
    Stephen A Smith always does this with foreign players never giving them their full props always and you can hear it in his voice he’s not a fan “You gotta give him a lot of credit” like “I’m not a believer but he’s proving me wrong and you gotta give him a lot of credit.”
    He was late AF to say Giannis best player in NBA too (he never did it actually, there was always caveats). Joker & Giannis have UNDOUBTEDLY been best player in NBA last two years at worst prob 3-4!

  • @Flare8124
    @Flare8124 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If Murray wasn't playing like he did in the bubble after the injury Jokic would have been another first round exit, maybe a 2nd round exit since the Wolves were trash I guess

    • @dewman7477
      @dewman7477 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is Jokic not allowed to get help? If not for Pippen or Kyrie/Wade/AD, LeBron never wins a ring

  • @PearlBagel
    @PearlBagel 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    He hasn't even peaked yet and we talkin bout if he's top 5 of all time? lol

  • @notlisteningwhocares8877
    @notlisteningwhocares8877 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would bottom for Jokic, let’s go heat.

  • @HustleMan31
    @HustleMan31 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This ain't fair to Joker man let the man play danm. He don't stack up to any top 10 player yet. He hasn't even had a chance to shoot the danm ball yet. He has a patten game all around that we have never seen. Let him cook and come back to this in 6 or 7 seasons...

  • @kirklandmcintosh4005
    @kirklandmcintosh4005 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Obviously the media is being a prisoner of the moment as always. This question is so absurd. Jokic isn't even near the level of Shaq, Kareem, Wilt, or Hakeem.

  • @floridamixshowsummit
    @floridamixshowsummit 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Let him win 1st dam

  • @JoeDonuts1212
    @JoeDonuts1212 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    All time white guy lineup:
    Nash
    Bird
    Dirk
    Duncan (basically white)
    Jokic

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      td is not white+ u have 2 pf almost 3 lol

    • @JoeDonuts1212
      @JoeDonuts1212 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ziginaigra it doesn’t matter Jokic can play center he is better than any white guy you would consider a pure center

    • @KingTaylor-pl2el
      @KingTaylor-pl2el 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JoeDonuts1212 Kevin McHale??

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ill take prime drazen petrovic over nash 100%

    • @JoeDonuts1212
      @JoeDonuts1212 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@KingTaylor-pl2el Pau Gasol

  • @lanzortiz3199
    @lanzortiz3199 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    But perk think he's stat padding 😂

  • @andrewcaldwell4343
    @andrewcaldwell4343 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Inflated stats in a league were there is problay 3 real bigs anymore he’s good but def not Kareem Shaq level yet

  • @BaithNa
    @BaithNa 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    After watching Jokiv highlights, his signature move is the no look pass.

  • @dasher920
    @dasher920 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Jokic is modern day Rik Smits
    Even though I hate talking about these topics I would say he’s 11 all time centers
    Wilt Kareem Russell… top 3
    Shaq Olajuwon Moses Malone follows them
    David Robinson, Rik Smits Ewing and Mourning to round out the top 10
    He has the ability to reach 6 by the end of his career

  • @tyleking5339
    @tyleking5339 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    9

  • @BePatient888
    @BePatient888 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yeah, this video didn't age well.

  • @trikk9964
    @trikk9964 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ... love the race-hustlers. Front-liners for the fall of the republic...

  • @joeku2004
    @joeku2004 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If jokic wins this 🏆, for me this would put him a little higher, i cant put him over Shaq, Bill, Tim, Dirk, Kareem, Malone, Hakeem, and Wilt just off of 1 🏆, some MVP's and other achievements and accolades. This is no hate to Jokic

    • @goodtimestv9690
      @goodtimestv9690 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      “Some mvps”😂
      It’s not anything to sneeze at

    • @joeku2004
      @joeku2004 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@goodtimestv9690 that's because at the moment I didn't know how many MVP's he had right now, I look stupid

    • @JC-xm9lo
      @JC-xm9lo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Top 15-20?

    • @JoeDonuts1212
      @JoeDonuts1212 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As far as “greatness” goes, Jokic has a ways to go. But just being better at the game of bball, I’m taking Jokic over mostly everyone

    • @joeku2004
      @joeku2004 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JoeDonuts1212 yes you are so right but they're are talking about right now so not over the guys I named, he is top 15 for me

  • @nomoney_sniper1885
    @nomoney_sniper1885 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    He flops & isnt physical, prime shaq obliterates him 😂

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      bbq😂50 ez if u feed him nonstop

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      imagine prime shaq today,u just give him the ball down low every time

    • @KingTaylor-pl2el
      @KingTaylor-pl2el 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Jokic better than prime Shaq

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@KingTaylor-pl2el 😂🤡

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@KingTaylor-pl2el nobody was better than prime oneal

  • @KingTaylor-pl2el
    @KingTaylor-pl2el 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jokic top 25-30 all time right now.. jokic arguably better than Shaq and David Robinson idk

    • @dewman7477
      @dewman7477 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Shaq is top 10 of all time no way at this point in his career is Jokic better than Shaq all time

    • @KingTaylor-pl2el
      @KingTaylor-pl2el 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dewman7477 it's an argument and Shaq isn't top ten all time

  • @rodneyporter823
    @rodneyporter823 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    CAN YALL PLEASE COME UP FOR AIR PLEASE, JOKIC IS A GOOD PLAYER BUT STOP COMPARING HIM TO THE GREATS KNOWING THIS DUDE HASN'T WON NOTHING, THIS DUDE HAS 0 CHAMPIONSHIPS HIS DEFENSE IS BELOW AVERAGE AT BEST

  • @JoeDonuts1212
    @JoeDonuts1212 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    NBA superstars just keep getting better. People need to accept that. All time greatest lineup:
    Steph
    Kd
    Lebron
    Jokic
    Giannis

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      in my starting 5 i dont have 1 of those lol

    • @JoeDonuts1212
      @JoeDonuts1212 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ziginaigra great then you are in denial just like most bball fans

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JoeDonuts1212 im 100 %sure my 5 is better >shaq rodman/kg bird mj penny(prime)

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JoeDonuts1212 😂kid spotted

    • @JoeDonuts1212
      @JoeDonuts1212 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ziginaigra No buddy I’m sorry but it’s the truth. But hey, it’s really cool to go with the “old school🥴” so good job👍

  • @SteadyAscension
    @SteadyAscension 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jokic is only as good as his teammates. Lebron took a no name cavs to multiple playoffs runs. Put jokic on a crappy team, that team is going nowhere

  • @andyirons7162
    @andyirons7162 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lakers or New York or Toronto or Miami need to put up $500M to Joker for a 5-year contract....Denver about to make 5-6 straight WCF / NBA finals in a row.....this team and Joker about to become a major problem for the next several years

  • @ace20016
    @ace20016 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Nikola Jokic will probably go down as the greatest offensive center ever. But I still take Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Wilt Chamberlain, Patrick Ewing, Moses Malone, Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaquille O’Neal, David Robinson and Bill Russell over Nikola Jokic due to their defense.
    Also Nikola Jokic is better than Joel Embiid offensively. Not by a mile though. And defensively, Joel Embiid is better. Which means Nikola Jokic as the best center in basketball currently, isn’t that far ahead of Joel Embiid as Jokic fans want you to believe.

    • @brandan5732
      @brandan5732 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Except embiid drops off in the playoffs and Jokic elevates but go off

    • @ace20016
      @ace20016 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@brandan5732
      True. But if Nikola Jokic is a mile ahead of Joel Embiid, no way Joel Embiid wins MVP this season.

    • @JC-xm9lo
      @JC-xm9lo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Joel is nothing. He hasn't proved anything yet, stop disrespect nikola like that. Talk this until he win a chip. Joel is not even a team leader and will never be due to that soft asx attitude

    • @ace20016
      @ace20016 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JC-xm9lo Did I not say Nikola Jokic is the best center in basketball currently?

  • @sensei_...
    @sensei_... 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Top 7 centeres all time: 1. Kareem 2. Wilt 3. Shaq 4. Russel 5. Moses Malone 6. Hakeem 7.Jokic, if he wins this FMVP he is on 6th (moses/hakeem switchable)

  • @magneticqubzian6902
    @magneticqubzian6902 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Not a top 5 big man, Great white hype....yall need to stop

    • @nanox4
      @nanox4 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I see racism

    • @KingTaylor-pl2el
      @KingTaylor-pl2el 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Jokic fasho top five big man , he's arguably best all around player ever, he a triple double machine and can shoot the 3 good

    • @ziginaigra
      @ziginaigra 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@KingTaylor-pl2el u know all around players plays defense too lol

  • @bradley3232
    @bradley3232 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Can't jump onto a curb." What a dumb, narcissistic thing to say. He says that to get attention.

    • @nanox4
      @nanox4 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Says it all the time, he's a clown

  • @HustleMan31
    @HustleMan31 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This ain't fair to Joker man let the man play danm. He don't stack up to any top 10 player yet. He hasn't even had a chance to shoot the danm ball yet. He has a patten game all around that we have never seen. Let him cook and come back to this in 6 or 7 seasons...