@@ozthegreatandpowerful468 Spoilers for Rhythm of War, but I assume you've read it already or don't care if you watched this video XD It echoes perfectly the sentiment that Maya expresses about their sacrifice during the Day of Recreance. It is so well set up that they too own the pain they are going through. They accept what they've done.
That line resonates so much throughout Dalinar's story. His pain, and really everyone's, is what turns us into the people we are today. You can let it consume you or fuel you. Dalinar is the perfect example of a flawed and fractured man who continues to take the next step despite a horrendous past. I mean Jesus, accidentally killing your wife in a fit of rage? It can't get much worse than that. Such a beautifully flawed written character. Oathbringer is my favorite book of all time, mainly because of Dalinar.
Dalinar is definitely my favorite character in the stormlight archives (save perhaps for a certain wandering wit). Reading oathbringer and following his story helped me come to terms with my own mistakes. Epitomized by an unrelated quote I read "When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.". Amazing video and hope to see more.
I might be a total stan for Kaladin but Dalinar Kholin in my opinion is the best written character I've ever read. He's the perfect example of how someone can change for the better despite how troubled their past is. You can't change the past but you can control your future. It's difficult for me to understand how there's so many characters in the stormlight archive (really all of Brandon's series) can feel completely and utterly alive. It's ruined other books for me when the characters are only a device used to progress the plot. Then there's Adolin, the sweet little cinnamon roll. And Kaladin, our favorite depressed bridge boy with survivors guilt.
Glokta is great, but I will never forget the first time that we met The Bloody 9. I was like, “Oh. OOOOOOOOH! So that’s why…yup, that explains a lot.” 😂😂
I'll be that guy...but Dalinar backstory in Oathbringer RUINS his character "Oh no! Dalinar is going to kill the people who just tried to kill him! I must save them!" said Evi, the loving (and not traitorous) wife of Dalinar Kholin. Meanwhile, back is Rathalas. "Boy, it sure is awesome we killed Dalinar," Tanalan laughed, "A perfect plan! Oh, hello Evi. Why are you here? What! Dalinar survived the assassination? Well, how mad is he? SUPER MAD! Storms, we never planned for this!" I make light of the moment, but THIS is the event, the fulcrum on which Dalinar character hinges. This will be the trauma that ends up breaking a warlord berserker...and scene is utterly contrived nonsense. (Note: 'contrived' here is being kind) I'll mention Odium's influence, the one that possess Dalinar and his assassin into a killing rage, just so we can skip over it. Does it cheapen Dalinar's actions if he is being manipulated by the 'thrill'? Perhaps. Maybe not. It complicates the moment, but it doesn't matters, its not what destroys this scene. Evi destroys this scene. Evi, a woman who detests violence, marrying a ruthless warlord. More character contrivances building to the approaching moment, yes, but I only want to mention these, because these are minor and irrelevant actually. (Yes, Evi's pacifism is irrelavant.). When Dalinar returns to camp, wounded, bleeding, shardplate shattered, we find Evi grieving for the apparent death of her husband. Her joy quickly turns to horror seeing the killing rage was upon him. And as Dalinar gathers his officers to prepare for an assault, Evi breaks from the camp, riding to Rathalas to warn the people who just tried to kill her husband. NO. ONE. WOULD. BEHAVE. THIS. WAY. EVER! Dalinar and Evi marriage is a 'difficult' one. Its troubled and complicated, probably with more unhappy days than happy ones, but regardless, the two still care for one other. Evi detest violence, yes, but thats irrelevant. In this moment, with her husband returning from death's door, is there anyone who deserved her sympathy less than Tanalan and Rathalas. The husband she cares about vs the people who tried to kill the husband she care about? How is this even a question, Evi? And second, why warn Rathalas? Warn them about WHAT? That Dalinar didn't find attempted murder as humous as they did? Were the riders from Rathalas simply trying to explain it had been a prank? Tanalan and Rathalas KNEW what they did, it's was their assassination attempt after all. Even if the attempt had been successful, Rathalas only had days, if not hours, before Alethi knew of their treachery. In the end, all Evi actually succeed in doing was betraying the Alethi tactics, killing more of Dalinar's soldiers. This is the pivotal moment of Dalinar's life. And it is infuriating. There much more to go into with Dalinar's backstory; the inconsistency of Evi and the Navani conversing with the 'Black Thorne' as if he's already 'High Prince Dalinar' from the first book, the almost comical way Sanderson uses alcohol as narrative device, and because of Odium, was the 'Black Thorne' ever really the 'Black Thorne?' I'll end it by saying someone doesn't write a 500+ word comment because they hate something. I love Stormlight Archives, and I love the series, and Dalinar, too. IMO, Oathbringer is the worst thing Brandson Sanderson has ever wrote, and that is an opinion that is mostly centered around the lazy, slapdash writing of Dalinar's backstory.
Yea I found Evi’s death a bit weak. I would have loved it if dalinar’s actions caused Evi to commit suicide (we know his actions on rathalas was so bad that a hardened warrior like kadash became a monk, it can drive a pacifist to suicide) which in turn caused him to spiral but I’m not a writer and I do not know how it would be written so... P.s. I still love his backstory minus how Evi dies (I like Evi as a character but her death just didn’t fit)
@@Ialliac First off, the people of Rathalas didn't try to kill Dalinar, Tanalan did. Evi was merely trying to protect the civilians, y'know the women and children, from what she knew was going to be a massacre. She begged OVER and OVER again for Dalinar to stop killing and try to take a peaceful approach, regardless of what the other side did. Then, at that moment, she realized that Dalinar was intent on killing an entire village of INNOCENTS, she acted. Not just for the sake of the civilians, but for Dalinar's sanity. It's really not all that unbelievable. She doesn't see war, revenge and consequences the same way as the Alethi, that's the whole point of her character. She would have rather Dalinar spared them, regardless of what they did, because that is who she is. If your loved one was about to murder someone, wouldn't you try and stop them too? It's like you think that it is unthinkable for anyone to care about anyone outside their circle.
One of my favourite characters in fiction. “You cannot take my pain” just blew me away.
That was always my favorite line. "You cannot have it. I claim it for myself. It's mine"
@@ozthegreatandpowerful468 Spoilers for Rhythm of War, but I assume you've read it already or don't care if you watched this video XD
It echoes perfectly the sentiment that Maya expresses about their sacrifice during the Day of Recreance. It is so well set up that they too own the pain they are going through. They accept what they've done.
That line resonates so much throughout Dalinar's story. His pain, and really everyone's, is what turns us into the people we are today. You can let it consume you or fuel you.
Dalinar is the perfect example of a flawed and fractured man who continues to take the next step despite a horrendous past. I mean Jesus, accidentally killing your wife in a fit of rage? It can't get much worse than that. Such a beautifully flawed written character. Oathbringer is my favorite book of all time, mainly because of Dalinar.
Dalinar is definitely my favorite character in the stormlight archives (save perhaps for a certain wandering wit). Reading oathbringer and following his story helped me come to terms with my own mistakes. Epitomized by an unrelated quote I read "When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.". Amazing video and hope to see more.
I might be a total stan for Kaladin but Dalinar Kholin in my opinion is the best written character I've ever read. He's the perfect example of how someone can change for the better despite how troubled their past is. You can't change the past but you can control your future.
It's difficult for me to understand how there's so many characters in the stormlight archive (really all of Brandon's series) can feel completely and utterly alive. It's ruined other books for me when the characters are only a device used to progress the plot.
Then there's Adolin, the sweet little cinnamon roll. And Kaladin, our favorite depressed bridge boy with survivors guilt.
Now its Shallan's turn!
Daddinar! He and Glokta are my favourite characters in fiction and I'm so excited to watch this!
Ditto. Glokta is the greatest EVER!!!
Glokta is great, but I will never forget the first time that we met The Bloody 9. I was like, “Oh. OOOOOOOOH! So that’s why…yup, that explains a lot.” 😂😂
Definitely my favorite character in this series. Great work fleshing him out.
These videos are great! Never read this or the king killer but I feel like I know so much from these videos. They're really well done. Thank you
I've been waiting for this a long ago, thank you man
I hope we get more of these now that the new book is out.
Love this, pls do more lore and character study videos for SA
Very well done! Ii liked it!
Came because of the Legacy of Kain videos, stayed for the quality content like this.
Please do more videos on Brandon Sanderson books. 🙂
Great job on this one.
Dalinar is my favourite character in the stormlight archive. House Kholin is awesome
Amazing content! Keep it up!
He’s the reason I re read the series
i found you from your legacy of kain videos but you do the stormlight archives and your from nz super dope my man
what the hell dude? You make videos of all my favorite things lol
more legacy of kain and gothic please! ur vids are great mate
HAIL BLACKTHORN!
I'll be that guy...but Dalinar backstory in Oathbringer RUINS his character
"Oh no! Dalinar is going to kill the people who just tried to kill him! I must save them!" said Evi, the loving (and not traitorous) wife of Dalinar Kholin.
Meanwhile, back is Rathalas. "Boy, it sure is awesome we killed Dalinar," Tanalan laughed, "A perfect plan! Oh, hello Evi. Why are you here? What! Dalinar survived the assassination? Well, how mad is he? SUPER MAD! Storms, we never planned for this!"
I make light of the moment, but THIS is the event, the fulcrum on which Dalinar character hinges. This will be the trauma that ends up breaking a warlord berserker...and scene is utterly contrived nonsense. (Note: 'contrived' here is being kind)
I'll mention Odium's influence, the one that possess Dalinar and his assassin into a killing rage, just so we can skip over it. Does it cheapen Dalinar's actions if he is being manipulated by the 'thrill'? Perhaps. Maybe not. It complicates the moment, but it doesn't matters, its not what destroys this scene.
Evi destroys this scene.
Evi, a woman who detests violence, marrying a ruthless warlord. More character contrivances building to the approaching moment, yes, but I only want to mention these, because these are minor and irrelevant actually. (Yes, Evi's pacifism is irrelavant.). When Dalinar returns to camp, wounded, bleeding, shardplate shattered, we find Evi grieving for the apparent death of her husband. Her joy quickly turns to horror seeing the killing rage was upon him. And as Dalinar gathers his officers to prepare for an assault, Evi breaks from the camp, riding to Rathalas to warn the people who just tried to kill her husband.
NO. ONE. WOULD. BEHAVE. THIS. WAY. EVER!
Dalinar and Evi marriage is a 'difficult' one. Its troubled and complicated, probably with more unhappy days than happy ones, but regardless, the two still care for one other. Evi detest violence, yes, but thats irrelevant. In this moment, with her husband returning from death's door, is there anyone who deserved her sympathy less than Tanalan and Rathalas. The husband she cares about vs the people who tried to kill the husband she care about? How is this even a question, Evi?
And second, why warn Rathalas? Warn them about WHAT? That Dalinar didn't find attempted murder as humous as they did? Were the riders from Rathalas simply trying to explain it had been a prank? Tanalan and Rathalas KNEW what they did, it's was their assassination attempt after all. Even if the attempt had been successful, Rathalas only had days, if not hours, before Alethi knew of their treachery. In the end, all Evi actually succeed in doing was betraying the Alethi tactics, killing more of Dalinar's soldiers.
This is the pivotal moment of Dalinar's life. And it is infuriating.
There much more to go into with Dalinar's backstory; the inconsistency of Evi and the Navani conversing with the 'Black Thorne' as if he's already 'High Prince Dalinar' from the first book, the almost comical way Sanderson uses alcohol as narrative device, and because of Odium, was the 'Black Thorne' ever really the 'Black Thorne?'
I'll end it by saying someone doesn't write a 500+ word comment because they hate something. I love Stormlight Archives, and I love the series, and Dalinar, too. IMO, Oathbringer is the worst thing Brandson Sanderson has ever wrote, and that is an opinion that is mostly centered around the lazy, slapdash writing of Dalinar's backstory.
Yea I found Evi’s death a bit weak. I would have loved it if dalinar’s actions caused Evi to commit suicide (we know his actions on rathalas was so bad that a hardened warrior like kadash became a monk, it can drive a pacifist to suicide) which in turn caused him to spiral but I’m not a writer and I do not know how it would be written so...
P.s. I still love his backstory minus how Evi dies (I like Evi as a character but her death just didn’t fit)
All of this just because you didn't understand Evi went there to negotiate so that innocent people wouldn't die? Yikes.
@@Drizzt-113 negotiating for the people who just tried to murder her husband? No, I get it. And it is stupid.
Evi is not a person. Evi is a cartoon.
@@Ialliac First off, the people of Rathalas didn't try to kill Dalinar, Tanalan did. Evi was merely trying to protect the civilians, y'know the women and children, from what she knew was going to be a massacre. She begged OVER and OVER again for Dalinar to stop killing and try to take a peaceful approach, regardless of what the other side did. Then, at that moment, she realized that Dalinar was intent on killing an entire village of INNOCENTS, she acted. Not just for the sake of the civilians, but for Dalinar's sanity. It's really not all that unbelievable. She doesn't see war, revenge and consequences the same way as the Alethi, that's the whole point of her character. She would have rather Dalinar spared them, regardless of what they did, because that is who she is. If your loved one was about to murder someone, wouldn't you try and stop them too? It's like you think that it is unthinkable for anyone to care about anyone outside their circle.