People Are Going to Hate War Within After Remix
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2024
- So Blizz didn't exactly make World of Warcraft Remix: Mists of Pandaria the smoothest experience; bugs, balance issues and more have plagued it from the start and many players gameplay look is just looking for whatever the best new bronze farming spot is in Remix.. But it's still great, and it's still going to make The War Within look very small, enclosed and short when the new expansion kicks off the World Soul Saga
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Been saying it for like 15years. the thing that made wow popular back in the day was the fact that it was "casual" compared to DAoC, SWG, RS, EQ, etc... Players got it twisted in like Wrath and Cata when they started talking about how 'it use to be harder, now it's casual friendly' nah mate. I played Classic WoW since 2019, I was in almost full BiS every patch, raid logging 6 hours a week. Show me any Mythic raider in retail that got there playing 6 hours a week. You can't.
Not 6 hours a week no, but 10 hours a week is definitely doable.
Lol that's just the raid log hours maybe, however for CE it's overall more like 25 hours plus.
Thank you, wow gatekeepers are just wrong and also straight out bad at the game (in a hardcore PVE way OR in a "being able to enjoy the game" way)
@@Luthies Oh yeah, nearly twice as long. You really showed him...
As someone who's played for 14 years, sometimes raided Mythic and often raided Hard and Normal... How on earth are you getting full BiS? I'm usually lucky to have 1-2. If they even drop, someone else gets them every time. And they usually don't drop. I once saw my BiS fist given away to a shaman who was already wielding his BiS maces. The fist was a downgrade for him. 🤦♀️ I'd like to join the magical world you live in? 😂
as a man with a cheese stick in his hand I can safely tell you. War withins gonna be okay. 🖖
thank you so much man with a cheese stick, your reassurance means alot yo me 🥺
ok Im def. gonna trust u with the cheese.
Vashjir is one of my favorite leveling zones of all time. It was a wonderfully realized zone. It was so big it almost felt like an entire expansion continent.
Ye I will not stand for this Vashj'ir slander
07:00 I've always been convinced, since TBC came out, that wow should have made better use of older content, not to keep it relevant but to make it an alternative for replayability.
I hope they learn the lesson and make every expansion a remix-like option for leveling alt.
I think remix is an awful idea to make a permanent part of the game. FIrst of all the gems are not newbie friendly. Secondly it is fun when they arent empty. If there are suddenly 9 instances of remix leveling option realities, they will all be empty, or only one will be populated as it is "the fastest" or "best".
But I will assume that you mean just playing through the entire expansion, and doing the raids, and dungeons, etc. I agree that would work really well.
But the whole cloak, and super powerful, and leveling fast, might not work so well. However I have been preaching that WoW needs to do like LOTR has done: Make doing non-end game content worth your time.
Currently if you level an alt, you are wasting your time. If you compare your efforts using an alt to a guy who only plays 1 character: You WILL be behind. No matter what. There is no redeeming quality to leveling besides getting a new character. But LOTR has a special shop where you can spend a unique currency that you get from playing open world content, or rather by leveling a new character. In addition you can jack up the difficulty of the leveling, and get more currency in return, and use these to buy unique cosmetics. The hardest requiring a 5 man party to even be able to pull off regular questing.
So it is a fun challenge, you progress not only your character, but you get a currency like bronze, to buy unique cosmetics. It's brilliant.
@@7PlayingWithFire7 seasonal, 2 remix events per year maybe.
Vashjir is and will be one of my favourite zones. Such a unique zone!
People used to complain Cataclysm and MoP ruined the game by "catering to casuals", to the point of Blizzard putting heroic dungeons behind a silver Proving Grounds medal, removing tier sets from LFR, and inventing Pathfinder in WoD. In Legion, they introduced the "systems/borrowed power"- model. While Legion is still praised for its good story telling, the borrowed power system got worse in BfA and especially Shadowlands. That's why people want "casual friendly" content now. Because the last two expansions introduced systems that made more people appreciate the quality of life features they used to despise a decade ago.
I leveled one character, got the mounts that I wanted and now feel kind of burnt out lol. I’m looking forward to War Within.
lol, ain't that right! So many back talked everything they have ever said about casuals. Right on point Talie.
I played since vanilla. Every expac people whined about casuals. Every, single, one. Wrath was the most casual it EVER was, and people ADORED it.
Then Cataclysm came, and they amped up the difficulty of dungeons by A LOT. People instantly dropped out. What was the point of being a PuGer who went into a dungeon, struggled 2-3 hours fighting, and then did not get a single drop, and did not get guaranteed loot like you got in TBC and Wrath with the tokens.
Hey, FF14 player here. I don't necessarily disagree with all of this, but there's some important context for the "Endwalker has no content" complaints- A lot of the post-6.0 stuff put out was very geared to solo players and lacked a social element, so it made the game feel dead. Island Sanctuary was all solo stuff, Eureka Orthos didn't change the Deep Dungeon formula much and its biggest achievement is soloing it, and there was no exploration zone like Eureka or Bozja. The relic grind also felt like an afterthought, being just a solo questline and turning in weekly tokens every patch. Endwalker's patches were pretty dull because there wasn't enough MMO to them.
Otherwise I do generally agree that people will probably have their expectations skewed going into new content pretty soon after having a good time in polished up old content
This reads a bit like Warlords of Draenor, where you just feel... alone
@@Brainth1780 For sure. It's always been a *bit* of a problem in FFXIV that some people just hang out at their guild house all the time, but Endwalker was rough cuz all the side content outside raids didn't encourage people to be very social. Eureka back in Stormblood was very divisive but you could meet people and get very chatty in those exploration zones
Yeah, I agree with Taliesin. As a very new player to WoW (I had been on and off for many years. But started consistently a year before Dragonflight came out) my first expansion that I experienced when it came out was Dragonflight. Now, the expansion was amazing and great fun but I have to say I could not for the love of god finish a single raid not even in LFR because we didn't have "enough dps" and people would cuss at me or kick me out of raids. The thing is I had spend so many hours playing almost every day and I did have a very decent item level and did some Keystones even but jesus it was never enough for raiding. Despite all the hours spent, I just wanted to enjoy the story of the raid a bit but yeah.
For experienced people maybe it was easier to follow the meta and stuff, but for someone who hasn't played this game for enormous amounts of time it really feels very daunting at times to interact with anything apart from the most basic parts of the game. That resulted into me stopping after Vault of Incarnates because it all felt very unapproachable. The Mists of Pandaria stuff was very fun though. A lot chiller.
If you're getting kicked from LFR then you probably just really suck
You have only experienced lfg/lfr. Lfr is filled with idiots and trolls almost all of which are terrible players so they can't wait to criticize others.
Getting into a proper guild that can help you improve is a very different experience.
The biggest problem is all the cross realm where you rarely ever see the same person again and the button bloat is getting out of hand. They cater everything when it comes to dungeons and raids to the top 1% for the world first but it has just too many things going on during most boss fights that if you don’t have all the weak auras and macros that do most of that stuff for them it makes it difficult for average players
@icy6129 Button bloat only exists on a few classes. The game is quite simply designed around wa's, big wigs, and or dbm. If you aren't using the basic dbm add on you will have a ton of issues. Also, no it's not designed for the 1%, you haven't been using the required add ons so it seems hard. If you hadn't noticed warcraft fails epically at showing incoming mechanics.
Being kicked from LFR if you can complete a keystone sounds suspicious. Please try lfr again, if never looks like “i kick you from lfr for low dps” a literal cat sleeping on a keyboard can complete it.
I had a blast with MoP Remix for a couple of weeks but I'm already feeling over it. Chasing "infinite power" burns me out real quick. I'm already back to DF slowly grinding my keystone hero and doing actual raids and being social. I think War Within will be fine (at least for players similar to me).
I would love a permanent legion remix - with pvp!
i only heard positive things here, quick leveling/going fast into endgame and watching the story on youtube when tali is excited about it,
im totaly fine with that.
I think people will be sick of the chaotic experience of MoP Remix by the time TWW launches. It's fun and all but it's kind of like playing an ARPG with XP and loot mods. It's fun but it burns out fast. Remix is fun because the normal retail experience is much slower. Being able to go wild for a bit is amazing, but people will get bored of it and want new stuff.
^ this - I think people will be very ready for Remix to be over by TWW.
I actually really liked Vashj'ir. When Cata launched everyone went Hyjal and it was impossible to tag/level. Decided to Vashj'ir and had a really chill time.
I loved Vash'jir. Hyjal felt too crowded and ended abruptly. I went underwater first on every alt.
Seriously, for what I can see from the alpha, war within will be tremendously amazing
I mean, sure the story can be bad, the zone too small, the dungeons boring, the earthen being...dwarfs.
But what I have seen so far that is sure to be there, mainly gameplay, visuals, fantasy, mechanics, various evolution like UI and stuff, everything just hit the nail so far
Personally i think burnout will be a bigger factor for ppl departing. Players are feasting/gourging themselves in MoP atm. Daily raiding and farming and levelling. When WW comes out they might just need a breather.
Do you think the shorter levelling experience was designed that way so that ALL these MoP could get taken through easily and quickly keeping subscribers busy as a trade off for making a larger amount of new content?
Maybe it''s not as much about hardcore versus casuals as between casuals versus completionists. I've personally never felt the need to complete all content. If there is too much content for me to finish, I like that. But for completionists, there is a load of anxiety when they have the amount of questing we see in MoP.
I've always found the Vashj'ir hate a bit silly. Anybody can dislike a zone for whatever reason they want, it's fair enough. But if you hated Vashj'ir, you didn't even need to do it. Somebody in your stream chat said they quit wow over Vashj'ir. It was 100% optional. In Cataclysm at level 80 you had a choice between Mount Hyjal and Vashj'ir. You didn't need to do both to reach level 85.
As someone who plays for the story (and to play with the fam), I'm confused and nervous, and hoping you (or someone) can clarify about the amount of story in TWW; I'm hearing that the leveling questline is short, but that there's nearly as much story post-leveling; is TWW light on the amount of story content? (Seems like the opposite of what was promised, which had me excited for TWW, so I think and hope I'm misunderstanding)
If compared to the average first part of the average WoW xpac, would you say the main story campaign (leveling + endgame) is longer, shorter, or about equal in length? Do you figure there will be plenty of significant side quests?
I keep hearing the idea that they don't want to keep us in their underground zones for too long, but I don't like that if it means less focus on story overall; I've been excited for TWW and the Worldsoul Saga since they were announced, please tell me truly that this will be a great story-driven experience
This feels very true, though I think it may be more than just the Things to do that will feel different. Remix is FAST, you can move quick, you can kill things quick, Fair chunk of the player base are going to cap their player speed (49%) within the event if they are playing daily. War within is going to feel slow if its directly after Remix for those playing up to the end time of it. Its going to feel slow, and empty.
I'm on a DH and close to movement cap now in Remix. Logged into my retail DH and it felt really sluggish and weak. Probably play remix till I get all the things or get bored, do the pre-patch story stuff in retail, probabably get a char or two to max in TWW then take a break for 6-12 months to play other games and skip till Season 3 or so when they start to get their inevitable head-up-own-butt BS worked out in favour of QoL.
But I always eat so much over Christmas that I'm sure I'll never want to eat anything again, or just salad. So TWW will be my salad and I am happy :D
As a casual I got bored of remix quick, enjoyed it and lvld up a few characters for war within and transmog, that’s it. I didn’t try hard gearing like others
This is such a great video. The Weekly Reset was just too scripted for me. Your free form is really spot on right now. When you critique you seem very trustworthy. You free form critique without being a hater or shill and I dig it
I agree with your main point, Tali, but you also have to keep in mind: Over the course of those 15 years, the WoW-playerbase got (I would wager) on average about 10-12 years older. Those older players almost automatically got much more casual on average because the majority of them will now have full-time jobs and/or families and/or other obligations that they didn't have when they were teens or young adults.
This is why Blizzard massively shot themselves in the foot with the previous expansions. There is no fun way to play through the old expansions with any level of challenge, they really really need to sort out timewalking. Now they have AI companions thing down there should be no reason why a player shouldn't be able to spend time in any expansion, playing the story in the intended order with all the dungeons and raids. Even in the current expansion, all storylines are unlocked at the same time. Even if you want to paly the story in order its hard to tell what goes where, it just doesn't make any sense.
There needs to be more solo challenges and class-specific content that isn’t faceroll crap.
This is such a great point that I never considered. May be due to me knowing I’ll just play TWW and enjoy it (probably) regardless of Remix (which has been such a blast, imo, warts & all).
It's more than that, even at the start, Mists had a lot more questing zones than you needed to level. For a main it meant plenty of things to do at max level, for alts, it meant a choice of where to level. It's been a while since we have had an expansion with that many zones or that much questing at the start. There was also a lot to do with daily quests even before the expansion hit its first patch. Then there was the farm, the fishing stuff with Anglers etc. For me, it felt a lot more fun as well to play the open world both originally and in remix because there was lot more to do. This is without the later patch stuff.
For Dragonflight when I hit max level it very much a a feeling of "now what". The open world was a few events you did not so often and on long timers, plus not a ton of world quests that reset not very often. I'm concerned that TWW is going to be the same way, and that there isn't going to be so much to do again outside of M+ and raids for the first long while of the expansion.
I agree that the sheer content of questing in MoP was what saved it later when the patches were too long apart. At some point Blizz changed course with this. Maybe it was too much dev time, maybe it was due to player complaints about the reputation grinds, idk.
What you highlight about amount of content could be an issue. I think the other issue is the loss of all the super duper power abilities and going back to playing a normal version of the class. Could make the class feel quite disappointing, I just experienced this when I levelled a troll shadow priest through MOP remix and it was a ton of fun. Then I made a troll shadow priest lvl 60 trial character on retail to do the troll heritage armour quest. It felt very different. I was going to level more specs that I have not played before through MOP but have now decided against that so I can learn the spec without all the whizz bang gem abilities.
I think you have stumbled upon the duality of gamers. Yes, there are those in the community that will continue to complain and cause a Shitshow, obviously. But nonetheless they will continue to play as they always have. The cycle will begin again and again for as long as there is a game to play. However, the quiet ones not aiming to stir the pot will enjoy what they are given or leave without a fuss if the game no longer suits their needs or interests. And should it realign, they will be back as well. It's the ones that don't cause a riot on the Forums that are usually the ones that leave and stay gone. And many times it won't even be due to the game state, life just gets in the way. But with their departure, a new wave of players always seems to find their way to the game as well.
Tbh I was grinding retail quite a bit this season and had most of my bis gear. I was ready to keep playing that way this season until TWW. I had no idea what Panda Remix even was until 2 days before it released. I played it just to try it and holy crap I've quit retail entirely and aren't even doing my minimum vault requirements anymore. Idk what it is but currently this is what I find fun.
Regarding Remix,
The content is being consumed quickly becuase it's a 3month life-span limited event.
War Within will be content created to be consumed for a year and a half , with each season being 4months and a last one reusing the 3 seasons.
By design they will not let them ravage through it. Whether that is timegating or weekly caps or daily farms is another topic, and the better question to make. How can we make these farms more organic and fun instead of chores
I guess I understand where you're coming from, but also it is a new xpac. If people don't realize how it works by now, then idk what to say. I think anyone who has been around knows that to expect, and anyone who hasn't is going to figure it out quick. As someone who has played since the beginning, I am super excited. Like many, I've been waiting for a lot of lore to be addressed for years and years, and this is our time.
I was one of many that was less than happy with Shadowlands and took an extended break after 9.1. Like others, I cautiously returned about a year ago, and I'm not super satisfied with DF, but I get that it's kind of Blizz getting themselves together, and also trying to build some good will again. They're trying, and that's more than could be said for a while. I am not personally interested in most casual types of content, but I think that it's good that they are more aware that it is a large part of the fan base. They are giving those players some fun things to do that feels valuable and rewarding. I think that is a step in a positive direction. That being said, if there are more casual types of gameplay that are just good fun, I would dabble in them on downtime from my usual activities.
I am hopeful for the Saga, and I hope for us that have been here for a long time, it answers a lot of questions, and brings back some awesome gameplay. For the new players, I hope that they can see what a great game that wow can be, and journey on to make years of memories like myself and many others have.
I'm ready to be done with remix, I have 2 toons I'll probably get to 70 tomorrow and after shopping with their bronze I'll have everything I want and all my new toons can wait until TWW..
Hi Tali, love your takes, agree with you and love your bisexual theater kid energy.
My 2 cents about "ranting about casuals, asshole wowhead comment poster"
I always was a "hardcore player" in MY sense.
Not in the way that I did the top skill content, but I've been playing 24/7 for the last 17 years. Wow's basically my life in a way that it's not sad, basically saved me from doing bad stuff as a kid and helped me being a better person I think.
What ppl label "casual" has no meaning, and often just reads as "gurl stuff".
Ppl don't realize how the game became actually harder in group content actually.
Raids where not hard until Pandaria, players where just not good. That is just the truth. I don't bother going higher than 2,8k rio because rank don't matter for me if there are no rewards. I got the leg axe for TRANSMOG because I main holly and never ret outside of solo content, but my skills BACK THEN would have been considered top 0.5% playerbase because raids where not hard and dungeons content was basically storymode until m+ came.
There is just a toxic playerbase that was always there and grows thiner and thiner as the game wins a larger appeal (but they are lounder and lounder because they know they are not wanted anymore). Those ppl yell because now there are transmog options, battlepets and gay characters, that's it. None of their arguments are valid. Mop only had SOO for a YEAR for PVE and THAT'S IT. You had a questchain, a raid, and a boring rep in a patch. Now you have a lot of cosmetics to farm, m+ seasons, LFR for casuals who just want to see the raid AND MM that is actually hard for top raiders.
If some random comes to me arguing this game is for casual with 2k5 rio and no achievment I'd say "what even is your deal here ?". Like if you don't enjoy content with no skill cap and don't tryhard PVE why you complain ? (I don't pvp, so I accept pvp arguments about the content, there is indeed a big issue there).
I think they think the game is for "casual" because they are bad in PVE but think they are good because they are not getting 3 shot by random mobs in open world like in vanilla and they are unabled to enjoy anything.
They are bad in group PVE content, bad at having a good transmog, bad at mount collecting, bad at reading quest and understanding the lore, etc, etc.
Not even scking blizz balls, SL was indeed a joke and we are alowed to expect more from a multimillion dollar compagny and an expensive game, but the loud cringe gamers complains from wowhead are just cringe.
Apart from PvP, I am casual. That means I have a job and stuff. Other stuff to do? So I’m glad to have a choice 😊
Now that you mention it, what if they put all those questlines after max level...to TIMEGATE it?
Ive been having concerns about MoP remix to because this shits straight fire and I started having these thoughts about a week ago. Remix is straight fire, like some of the most fun ive had in WoW in years, and I means YEARS. Not 2 not 3, like 8+ and im worried that War Within isnt just going to hit as hard cus remix is so fucking good dude. I dont even want to hop on retail to raid but i need to xD
Only one currency in Remix is such a good change of pace over dragonflights nonsense
To be fair, in Endwalker they changed the patch cycle from 3 months per patch to 4 months. It did stretch content too much. The MSQ was also a bit middling so that exacerbated the problem
Vashjir was the only time I ever had such a bad tech issue and my character got so screwed up a GM had to "finish" the zone quest line for me so I just sort of zoomed to the end and I never have gone back.
Nah Vashj'ir was great to level through on alts later on. You don't have to stay there! I didn't back in Cata when my main concern was getting to max level. But going through later on and levelling being so fast it didn't matter (years ago...) was chill and I loved going in the u-boat each time!
Dragonflight is the only WoW expansion I have played through consistently without unsubbing. I have loved it so much that when I ran out of stuff to do, I hopped to an alt and did it all again multiple times. Even pugged my way through AotC and Keystone achievements. It's been the most satisfying expansion I have played. Having said that, even I have trouble wanting to play Dragonflight again after playing Pandaria remix... So yes, your fears are well founded and shared by others.
Eh, idk I grinded the hell out of remix, I had my fun, but I'm pretty much done, it loses it's luster after a while. It's not necessarily a terrible thing, I got what I wanted out of it, now I'm waiting for the next expac in this downtime. It served it's purpose.
As one of the few who absolutely loves Vashj’ir and the experience of the underwater zone, even I agree the storyline in it was a bit too long. I always felt like they should’ve just used the Abyssal Depths area as a post game content area for revisiting the zone instead of it being part of the zone’s main story.
I love the Remix. I have seen only one problem and that is the transmog/gear upgrade conflict. I'm a casual player .
I thought you were going to talk about, but my issue is, that there's going to be whiplash when getting into TWW. I much prefer all the collection acquisition to how Remix is vs. how it will suddenly feel in TWW. To me the bronze acts as a quasi bad luck protection, and I'm here for it... with the side effect of power gains, gear acquisition, gear level up by doing any content.
crazy you put this out... just as we just starting ffxiv and subbing an loving it
For what it's worth, they did slow down the FFXIV patch cadence in Shadowbringers and officially announced it was a (semi)permanent change in Endwalker. That and they didn't do the mid-core kind of grindy style content at all for Endwalker and some of the people who have already done the older content are just bored out of their minds if they are still playing. That said, I'm sure there are former WoW only players that are also making the same complaints.
casuals make up the VAST subscriptions of wow ... "hardcore" players will continue to be mad at wow until they understand this.
Why does Anduin look like post Malone without face tattoos on the cover of that book?
Just adding.. Vashjir is/has been one of my favorite and most memorable zones.
I'm so worried that an underground expansion will feel too enclosed and claustrophobic, I didn't enjoy zaralek much because of that, and I know the new TWW zones are supposed to be much bigger and more open, I'm still concerned tat feel will still exist
"there's like 50 raids in mop" guy's yapping to no end. As of this moment, people are speedrunning hc oneshotting everything, the reason why I know this is because I organise world tours every day. Mythic SoO is just the same, takes slightly longer, but there's no challenge whatsoever. This shit's gonna be dead in less than a month once everybody get their rewards. No, I didn't farm any frogs or other degenerate shit, because thanks for everyone who's been crying for the past week Blizzard started handing out threads and bronze like it's Christmas everyday.
I made sure to only play with gems that wouldn’t juice my gameplay too much so that when I went back into normal leveling In tww I wasn’t shell shocked
One thing I’d love to see is the data on player stats. Like casual players, are they the majority of subs? The loud voices and raiders are they those who pay monthly subs with wow tokens so no real $ is actually hitting Blizzards books. How many of them only play for the duration of doing a raid and don’t know the content at all. While casual players play maybe 10-15 hrs a week but consistent.
2:10 Is that really true? I remember seeing utube and/or forum comments of people saying stuff like this, but I cant remember any of the largest creators saying all of these things. There were definitively people that said stuff like this, but I think he's just grouping them all together and putting separate groups under the same banner
I think maybe with storyline, but that’s always been kind of a minor part of WoW compared to FF14. The raids in remix are entertaining, but a lot of fights are really trivial compared to a normal wow raid.
I think they need to make remix very fast to gear up a new character to item level cap. I understand the impulse for them to want people to have something to do all the way until TWW, but making them grind for 3 months isn't the palette cleanser people probably need between expansions. I'm kind of already feeling a little burnt out on it, but there's still stuff I want...
the cover looks like rings of power cover.
Hopefully they have a week or 2 break from remix before war within so people get used to the norm again. even now when i go from remix to retail it doesnt feel as good because im so much weaker.
Played remix for about a week got top level and have not logged on since.
Remix is WoW Ascension lite. It will be hard to go back to being normal powered with no flashing graphics or abilities, it will seem boring and slow..
There will also be a lot of players who will have no idea how to truly play their remix character classes. With all of the extra spells and abilities remix offers, it doesn't even remotely resemble normal class play.
war within will be just fine. My entire guild went hard into this Panda Remix and, while it's certainly been fun right?
it's old already. like VERY old. We cant get 10 people on for raids anymore because it's just grown stale already. There's metas and all sorts of mounts and that's fun for sure, but let's not pretend that this would denigrate legitimate scaled content
this has been a "roll your face off, find the newest cheese mechanic and swing away" game mode that has like 60 or so days left. It's great, but it's definitely not an expansion-threat lmao
the things omitted from remix will fill up a fair amount of time and space! professions, crafting, auction house, mail. when will you get back to bangin on about player housing?? time to build fun useless cosmetics, like a chair to sit in while waiting for queues in town and whatnot.
The other reason also was that the shadowlands exodus made a lot of wow players stop being monogamers (gamers that only play a single game, because playing any other game means they fall behind on their main game), they started trying other games and enjoying it, finding out there are other games, specially games when other games, their content do not expire (i dont mean mmos except for ff14).
About FFXIV, the problem is that a lot of dev time was spend on Endwalker on things that either was not visible to new players (adding duty support to all msq dungeons), didnt much incentive to do so (criterion dungeon) and implementing the ff14 version of WoD's garrisons (Sanctuary Isle), but most important, they focused on content that isolated players from each other, specially coming from shadowbringers with Ishgard Restoration (a server-wide effort to build the ishgard housing district, requiring effort from all players to complete using their gatherer and crafter classes, that was also amazing to lvl up those too) and from Bozja (that is kinda hard to explain).
I do love how every content creator was jumping into FFXIV then went crawling back to WoW
ive hit max ilvl in MoP remix and i went and got on my retail character for the first time in a while to unlock the tender rewards and i felt soooo unimpressed with retail i felt weak and like the game was very slow and booring but when i get on remix i feel strong and lhaving a blast!
Any chance of final fantasy being something I'd try disappeared the minute creators and regs talked shite about wow
I spent WAY too much money on WoW expansions since WoD just to play them for a few weeks because I was more of a casual player interested in WoW's lore and world but I could never get into the endgame power grind, I would listen to top creators talk about how the game should be harder and I never understood it. Since then FF14 exploded in popularity and I found my MMO but if WoW demonstrated a change that benefits casual players I'd probably check it out again.
I enjoy the differences of pacing between the modes!
I think we need to keep in mind that the patch cadences are much quicker in retail now. When patches are super long, it makes sense to overload questing and dailies etc. I still think they need to rethink their philosophy on world questing (more of them, more variety, better rewards0.
I was struggling to get used to FFXIV questing, but it is way better and i like the chill experience when it comes to leveling, i do miss having to read quest text however with seasons being a thing you cant take your time now, as your going to be behind otherwise. The game has been made for the current playerbase without thought for the casual or new or returning player in mind, and this has been exacerbated by the meta difficulty creep.
Vash'jir is good gang rise up
I remember back then every big content creator was always wanting harder content and hated anything to do with casual content....and now im seeing the same creators saying that the game is to complex and cater to the 1%..... bruh
*coughASMONGOLDcough*
Excuse me. I'm allergic to stupid.
I was so excited for the choice in Cata between Vashjir or Hyjal.
I brought my Melee main thru Vashjir (big mistake) absolutely hated it (especially with the cut content)
Every other alt went to Hyjal 😂😂😂
Mind FFXIV content cadence has been slower as they delayed from the 2 year patch cycle.
Short levelling campaign is awesome for levelling up alts .
god, i remember back in legion when people acted like LFR was horrible. Imma be honest, the big switch up in the community's POV was the release of classic. IK you say Shadowlands, but the second classic came out this game community became infinitely more bareable
As a casual please get rid of LFR, make it harder but harder doesn’t mean long hours of grinding
I came to the conclusion that it fit's my playstyle best when I join a "new" expansion only for its last season.
then ALL the content will be released and I'll be allowed to play through it at my own pace (which can be fast or slow as i wish). For me grinding gear through X different seasons just to regrind it with the start of every new season dosen't count as content. it's a chore you have to do just to keep up with nubers increasing to stay able to play the game. I don't see any point in this grinding hamsterwheel and I really don't understand the mindset of people who think this benefits the game (aka contributes to a fun gameplay).
I think you overestimate how many people are playing remix. I don't think it's even close to a quarter of those that will play TWW. But you might be right about those that are playing remix.
Aren’t people already hating MOP remix? All I’ve seen os mainly critique of people not satisfied how bugs were handled and overall QA and responses to the exploits.
Pandamonium is just fun warcraft and thats will be a problem for regular warcraft
It's funny because it's the exact opposite way around for me - I ditched WoW to play FFXIV for almost 4 years straight, came back to WoW and was like "Wow, there's so much content in WoW now!" And now I've been taking a break from FFXIV until Dawntrail. I love having so much content to do that I have choice lol
I have to say, Remix may be great for some, and I'm glad it exists for those players, but it was "meh" to me. My experience of War Within is pretty much guaranteed to be better than my experience of MoP Remix.
I already loaded retail after remix and really missed my tinkers
I don't remember anyone complaining WoW is not hardcore enough or too casual in BFA and Shadowlands. We just complained it's systems were absolutely dogshit and we were right all along. Artifact power, conduits, soulash, the maw, covenants, legendaries, etc. All of this we called out and we were 100% right in every single way.
Stop twisting it like it wasn't the case.
btw. I still want more hardcore / hard content in the game but Blizzard just isn't good in designing it. Whenever they are trying to create something hard, they just make it annoying, unfair, not readable enough, rng and shit. Dark Souls difficulty is what we wanted. Not garbage mechanics that are blue in color on a blue ground with trees covering your screen with full party soak mechanics that happen to randomly trigger while quaking explodes and you can't do anything with it. We wanted fair difficulty but we got bullshit.
Shill.
Que times are decreasing, even in the guild events have quite down. Shine will be gone in another month by day 60 the hype and investment will be over. unless they change balance towards alts, it will be minimal impact with at least 50 -40 days left.
Yeeeeah, some legitimate REEEEEEE level shit spewing forth over Remix. It’s a bit broken but still hugely enjoyable.
dude same here, found it fun to be a panda monk for the first time then the remix element I had occasional shaman fire/ice and lightning abilities triggered and heroic leap
iv loved through mop but only bits of it back when lvl cap was 110 so its been fun overall to see more lore that I've missed when I first played wow
Hello Tali, i hated MoP back in the days, and haven't touched remix at all. Will i have a good time in TWW?
The term of casual player has been changed. The thing made wow great it the freedom of your character. Now everything is sterile. For example. To me Legion was the breakpoint. I played rpvp as warlock from TBC to Legion. Instead of haste/int standard I was playing stamina/mastery. I could access to tank trinkets and gears with using/utilazing different non-meta talents and glyphs I was unique. I could find my playstyle. Now everyone is a demonhunter. Fck that sht. The community became metric centric. Geared and good players won't ever be around to help. They just boost.
Pillar warriors and cash grabbers.
In short, people are dumb and wont realize they are playing a first patch in War Within vs a whole expansion's worth of content in Remix. Yeah that tracks, i can already see the dumb comments coming in forums and videos a few weeks into the new exp about "how blizzard is lazy in newer expansions"
Remix is a huge success, in the sense that it is fun and people like it.
gatekeeping casuals is good. The other extreme is also bad. However in your rant, you're conflating the two with absolutism.
Vanilla and TBC are the other end of the spectrum. you are conflating quality of life with challenge.
You can have Quality of Life (premade group, cross realm, polish) with challenge and high skill (lots of buttons, no pruning, utility, game design having faith in the player)
Do not conflate the two. You CAN have both.
Titan-forging was fun until mythic raiding made it a hassle to get bis gear. Put titan forging back, at-least it made daily’s fun in bfa and remove from mythic raiding so that is the end game gear.
NOTHING can beat mop remix. And that comes from someone who literally hated the thought of this and thought they were once again just recycling content. Nope. Its the real deal and iam addicted.
Tali would be willing to address the "death of the collecting meta" and how it's impacted players like Annie Fuschia and Asmongold who were celebrated for collecting "All The Things." From what I can tell, the legacy playerbase in retail is just gone. They've exited. The remaining players are newish, don't have collections, and celebrate getting the rarest items for zero effort. To be fair, if I was a new player I'd love getting rare items for free too. It's clear that Blizz think pandering to new players is the key to their future success - do you agree? Some days I think yes, some days I think no
Oh maybe discuss Legion Mage Tower Appearances - that might be the best example to discuss
Tali….as someone who actually played Shadowlands all the way through. You were part of the people who “fucked off to play Final Fantasy 14”
Do you want a medal? He’s not saying he didn’t lmao
Regarding FF and WoW content, you're right WoW doesn't have less content than FF but WoW has vastly more irrelevant content to FF. Irrelevant content in the current expansion anyone want to go Zaralek Caverns or Forbidden Reach?
i don't think this will happen. because when TWW launches most of the people playing Remix. will be forced to return to SoD and Cataclysm.
And the people who have been playing DF and the like. have ran through mists content on an alt to level. or a plate user to SoO to get tusks. already. The only thing the Remix gives those people is a bunch of recolours of mounts. some neat Cosmetics. and a chance to go bonkers in end game. All of this content was already Readily available for anyone just doing Chromie time. and you could solo the raids once you hit 60 in chromie time anyways.
Its the Classic people who only have a sub. who will lose something when Remix stops. and it are the Classic people who are getting Sweaty and Toxic over this game mode as well.