Great video...but maybe that’s because I’m a Marathoning econometrician. I’m sure Jared already considered these, but a few variables for his consideration for future studies: Experience (in terms of previous # of marathons run); Power (instead of pace) especially for undulating courses; Nutrition (could be more of factor in bonking than initial pace); Heat Index. Heteroskedacity can be a big issue at either extreme, so maybe focus the study on just +/- 2 standard deviations from the mean for each group.
This seemed to be less about the optimal pacing, and more about “Here’s how people ran.” Vs. “Here’s how the avg. BQ runner ran.” I was expecting a talk about how we should interpret the data and what different pacing profiles are more effective... but the takeaway seems to me: positive split=bad, negative split=good.
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If I would have presented that exact design of the study to my supervisors, I would have kicked out the university right then and there, for using this kind of race profile for that.
Silly to choose an entirely downhill course for this study. Would be a lot more informative to use a flat course. First of all, the splits are going to be far different even run at even effort for the entire race. (The last half is more steeply downhill than the first half---meaning the second half should be faster even with the same effort). Second, the penalty for going out too fast on an entirely downhill course is far less than the penalty for going too fast early on a flat course. Also, no one really cares how the riff raff perform. Study the elites as they are the ones that are doing things right and running right on the edge of their abilities, not the 300 pound galloway walker that is just doing whatever to finish and get a finisher medal and post on facebook.
My racism radar got tripped when I heard “superior race strategy “ 😆 I know that’s not the race we’re talking about here, but I just hear ‘oh no. Oh no. Oh no, no, no, no, no” lol
Why do so many people run marathons? Because they can't run a sub 15 min. 5k, or a 30 min. 10k but yet they want the recognition of being an athlete. To the average Joe , marathon running is the ultimate, but it's much harder to be a good track athlete then a marathon runner. I mean thousands of runners participate in marathons every year right? It's the only race that average Joe can get some kind of recognition from the general public, but a good track athlete gets recognition from the elite running community which carries more weight. Look at how many great marathon athletes were great track athletes first, and when their track times started slowing they made the transition and found they could still compete at the marathon level but not on the track. Or what of the many runners that werent quite good enough to make it as an elite on the track but succeeded in the marathon. I am much more impressed by someone who can run a fast 1500, 5000, 10,000, then I am someone who completed a marathon. When someone tells me they ran a marathon I always like to ask what their 5k, 10k times are.
Are you that ignorant? People transition to marathon because the first thing that goes as you age is your speed, while endurance can be continually built through hard training. Your comment demonstrates you dont understand basic running physiology. Have you ever run a marathon with a decent time? Didnt think so
@@snakey973 you completely missed the point with your comment. Hundreds of thousands of runners complete the marathon every year training with long, slow, easy mileage. Practically anyone can complete a marathon relatively comfortably. I ran a marathon in 3hrs15min on 35 miles per week training. Impressed? I'm not either! When I tell someone that I was running 15 minute 5ks at the time it just goes right over their head. They're more impressed that I actually finished a marathon. Let me tell you, A lot more went in to training for those 5ks. This is why i believe, elite times aside, that the marathon is overrated and track times are undervalued in the U.S. aside from those few track and field fans that can appreciate it. I can tell someone that Haile Gebrselassie ran a 12:39 5k and a 26 minute 10k, that he won 2 Olympic golds, and 4 world championships in the 10k, and the question I would get is "yeah but has he run a marthon?". So, my question to you is have you ever run a fast 5k or 10k? If your answer is "no, but I finished a marathon", well congratulations to you and the millions of others who have done the same.
@@pja123pja your arguement makes zero sense - so 'anyone' can run a marathon on long slow mileage but not 'anyone' can run a 5k?! Lol compare like with like- the best 5k runners can run 13-14 min 5k...not many people can do that, and the best marathoners will run that entire 26 miles in sub 5 min miles...and again, not many people can do that either now, can they?
@@snakey973 and yet most Americans value even a slow marathon over a fast 5k. That is my point. So, my argument stands that the marathon, esp. In the U.S. is overrated and overvalued. That is my argument. Pretty simple, but I wouldn't expect someone who hides behind a fake TH-cam name to ever grasp this concept.
@@pja123pja it's called a channel name moron. If you measure cytokines in the blood (a direct measure of muscular damage) after a 5k, they are only 2 times normal level, after a marathon, they are up to 128 times higher, so running a marathon is OBJECTIVELY MORE TAXING ON THE BODY and therefore harder. Any couch chump can run a 5k. But I wouldn't expect a dimwit like you to understand human physiological response to stimulus. Go play in your sandbox and stfu
16:00 - 18:30 he gives a great personal experience on making pacing decisions in the middle of a race.
Great video...but maybe that’s because I’m a Marathoning econometrician. I’m sure Jared already considered these, but a few variables for his consideration for future studies: Experience (in terms of previous # of marathons run); Power (instead of pace) especially for undulating courses; Nutrition (could be more of factor in bonking than initial pace); Heat Index. Heteroskedacity can be a big issue at either extreme, so maybe focus the study on just +/- 2 standard deviations from the mean for each group.
This seemed to be less about the optimal pacing, and more about “Here’s how people ran.” Vs. “Here’s how the avg. BQ runner ran.” I was expecting a talk about how we should interpret the data and what different pacing profiles are more effective... but the takeaway seems to me: positive split=bad, negative split=good.
i dont mean to be off topic but does anyone know of a tool to log back into an instagram account..?
I was dumb lost my login password. I appreciate any assistance you can offer me.
Great stuff.
awesome! Great that you ran at your pace for the trails
If I would have presented that exact design of the study to my supervisors, I would have kicked out the university right then and there, for using this kind of race profile for that.
Yeah. I was thinking this as well. Statistics are good but better when the background has more constants: temperature, incline, humidity.
Only an idiot would kick a beautiful woman like you out.
Silly to choose an entirely downhill course for this study. Would be a lot more informative to use a flat course. First of all, the splits are going to be far different even run at even effort for the entire race. (The last half is more steeply downhill than the first half---meaning the second half should be faster even with the same effort). Second, the penalty for going out too fast on an entirely downhill course is far less than the penalty for going too fast early on a flat course.
Also, no one really cares how the riff raff perform. Study the elites as they are the ones that are doing things right and running right on the edge of their abilities, not the 300 pound galloway walker that is just doing whatever to finish and get a finisher medal and post on facebook.
Jason Windham my thoughts exactly
Jason Windham spending so much brain power working out less useful information
Isn't Boston of a generally high standard due to qualifying? Serious question.
Ron Howard look alike contest winner.
Camera person shout focus more on the charts so we can follow the talk.
Cool story bro.... When are you releasing the TH-cam collab sneakers?
My racism radar got tripped when I heard “superior race strategy “ 😆 I know that’s not the race we’re talking about here, but I just hear ‘oh no. Oh no. Oh no, no, no, no, no” lol
ffs
Why do so many people run marathons? Because they can't run a sub 15 min. 5k, or a 30 min. 10k but yet they want the recognition of being an athlete. To the average Joe , marathon running is the ultimate, but it's much harder to be a good track athlete then a marathon runner. I mean thousands of runners participate in marathons every year right? It's the only race that average Joe can get some kind of recognition from the general public, but a good track athlete gets recognition from the elite running community which carries more weight. Look at how many great marathon athletes were great track athletes first, and when their track times started slowing they made the transition and found they could still compete at the marathon level but not on the track. Or what of the many runners that werent quite good enough to make it as an elite on the track but succeeded in the marathon. I am much more impressed by someone who can run a fast 1500, 5000, 10,000, then I am someone who completed a marathon. When someone tells me they ran a marathon I always like to ask what their 5k, 10k times are.
Are you that ignorant?
People transition to marathon because the first thing that goes as you age is your speed, while endurance can be continually built through hard training. Your comment demonstrates you dont understand basic running physiology.
Have you ever run a marathon with a decent time?
Didnt think so
@@snakey973 you completely missed the point with your comment. Hundreds of thousands of runners complete the marathon every year training with long, slow, easy mileage. Practically anyone can complete a marathon relatively comfortably. I ran a marathon in 3hrs15min on 35 miles per week training. Impressed? I'm not either! When I tell someone that I was running 15 minute 5ks at the time it just goes right over their head. They're more impressed that I actually finished a marathon. Let me tell you, A lot more went in to training for those 5ks. This is why i believe, elite times aside, that the marathon is overrated and track times are undervalued in the U.S. aside from those few track and field fans that can appreciate it. I can tell someone that Haile Gebrselassie ran a 12:39 5k and a 26 minute 10k, that he won 2 Olympic golds, and 4 world championships in the 10k, and the question I would get is "yeah but has he run a marthon?". So, my question to you is have you ever run a fast 5k or 10k? If your answer is "no, but I finished a marathon", well congratulations to you and the millions of others who have done the same.
@@pja123pja your arguement makes zero sense - so 'anyone' can run a marathon on long slow mileage but not 'anyone' can run a 5k?! Lol compare like with like- the best 5k runners can run 13-14 min 5k...not many people can do that, and the best marathoners will run that entire 26 miles in sub 5 min miles...and again, not many people can do that either now, can they?
@@snakey973 and yet most Americans value even a slow marathon over a fast 5k. That is my point. So, my argument stands that the marathon, esp. In the U.S. is overrated and overvalued. That is my argument. Pretty simple, but I wouldn't expect someone who hides behind a fake TH-cam name to ever grasp this concept.
@@pja123pja it's called a channel name moron. If you measure cytokines in the blood (a direct measure of muscular damage) after a 5k, they are only 2 times normal level, after a marathon, they are up to 128 times higher, so running a marathon is OBJECTIVELY MORE TAXING ON THE BODY and therefore harder. Any couch chump can run a 5k. But I wouldn't expect a dimwit like you to understand human physiological response to stimulus.
Go play in your sandbox and stfu
This took WAY too long to actually say anything.
I stopped watching after the 20th time he said OK.
“Real runners” yikes
Jared, you say "right" too many times. Right?
WTF is he wearing a blazer for?
More great content from Saucony, but come on, Jared, pace doesn't make someone a runner..., running does.