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Metabo TS 254 M Review - The best affordable table saw on the market?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ส.ค. 2024
- How good is the Metabo TS 254 M table saw? I've been using Metabo's newest and most affordable table saw for about 8 months now and share my thoughts in this video.
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Link to detailed written review: machineatlas.com/reviews/meta...
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Chapters
0:00 Introduction
1:05 Motor
1:28 Fence
2:18 Miter Gauge
4:07 Saw Blade
6:42 Blade Guard
7:01 Dust Collection
8:01 Portability
8:42 Build Quality
9:48 Conclusion
Read the detailed written review here: machineatlas.com/reviews/metabo-ts-254-m-review-excellent-value-for-money/
I have mine 5years now.....best saw ever..I wanted to change it but I simply cannot find something better..this will never fail you
One of the best reviews I have seen, thank you.
Thank you for a clear and concise review. It really helped me decide to buy one of these after lots of shopping around. The fence isn't great but workable, and I'm happy with everything else.
6:22 The position of the blade can be adjusted. There are 4 bolts you can loosen, 2 in front and 2 at the back. I suggest only loosening the 2 at the back (slightly) and adjusting the position until it's aligned with the mitre tracks.
The fence can also be adjusted to always be parallel with the blade by adjusting the tension at the far end of the fence. I've also found that pulling the fence towards you while adjusting it to your desired position, helps in keeping the fence parallel.
Hi Hagen,
The 2 bolts in the back you mention.... are those the ones in the plastic bracket or the 2 bolts in the aluminium bracket ?
The plastic brackets are the pivitoting point... so i gues the bolts in the aluminium bracket... right ?
Thanks and greetings from Holland
One of the best reviews i have seen.. thank you for sharing
Best review I have found in youtube. Thank you, help me a lot. gracias y saludos
schönes Video, interessant, schöne Arbeit. Viel Glück 👍🏼
I like this saw. I made an outfeed table for it and have used it now for a couple of years.
I recently purchased this saw. So far so good. Out of the box, it was really close to perfect. Blade was set right on 90 degrees and the scale for the fence was pretty close to 0 when snug up against the blade. Miter was about ½ a degree out when the rubber blocks were snugged up to the track and your tape trick got it really close… my the things you can do with duct tape! Happy with the cuts and it does ok with most woods here in Australia except the hardest of the gums…with those sometimes it’s best to do a scoring cut. One thing you did not mention on the review, this is unique in this category…. The ACME screw to lift the blade. I checked the Bosch, Dewalt, Makita, and Hitachi and all had a standard threaded screw which over time is a single point of failure, NOT with this saw…. The buttressed threads will likely last longer than I will! Your review was great helped me make a good cost effective decision. Only one minor challenge, there was a package deal including the stand and a free reciprocating saw…. At a discounted price… and they were largely sold out across Australia. The sliding table is unavailable until about June-July 2022. Thanks for good and thoughtful review!
Thanks, glad you found it helpful! In the bigger TS 254 the lift screw was actually a common point of failure (there's a video on youtube about it), so they upgraded that to a better one at some point. Seems like they have carried that over to the new TS 254 M model as well, which is great.
Great video review, very informative. Do you have any suggestions on dust extraction fittings and tubes to connect to the rear dust port?
Thanks for good video!
As far as screw cam out, you might consider picking up some countersunk Allen flathead screws with the same thread pitch as what the Metabo came with. If you can get a grade 8 all the better. Be careful not to kill it though and strip the threads in the actual fence. You might also try removing the screws, then reinstall them counting the number of turns. That was you can tweak it a bit to try and keep the pressure even. I don’t know how long you can work with Blue Locktite, but it would be nice to put some on clean threads. Keep your in mind the Blue is removable. We used it in the shop all the time for things we wanted to disassemble at a later time. Just my 2¢ worth.
Good review 👍
It is a good review. I am looking at different table saws. Now (March 2023) there is a new competitor in the same price range, in fact it is even a little cheaper compared to Metabo. Around 325 Euro as we speak. I am talking about the skil 1340 AA The skil has an easy no tools required adjustable blade. But as I understand it the saw already comes very parallel from the factory. With a solid fence as well. And it is 2000 watt. It comes with folding legs. And the reviews that I have watched so far are very positive about the skil saw. It's functionality and the fence system is comparable with the DeWalt saw, which is good and solid. All together the skil 1340 AA seems like a good alternative, if not the better and more accurate saw. I am all for accuracy. And it is even cheaper as the other comparable saws.
Thanks for the suggestion. That Skil saw looks like great value for money, smart idea to copy the DeWalt fence system. It does look very plastic-fantastic, so not sure how it will hold up in the long term, but for the price it seems like a good deal.
@@machineatlas For height and tilt adjustment the skil has metal gears and the metabo has plastic gears. And the skil is the only machine with fine adjustment for parallelism from the saw blade, and it requires no tools. And the skil has a metal tube frame. Only the part where the blade sticks out looks a bit flimsy with the skill, but that is an easy fix. It is getting really good reviews. I like metabo, and I have several machines from them, but in this case I have chosen for the skil. Mainly because of the easy accuracy adjustment for the saw blade, and because of the more solid fence system compared to the metabo. And I liked the price, all the other brands with comparable capacity, power, and other features are more expensive.
I Don't like the idea that I would still need a straight edge to check with every saw cut if my fence is parallel or not. The whole purpose of the fence is to make that part of the job easy.
But your review was excellent. It covered all the important features. 👍
Thank you for the good review. I read your written review a couple months ago too and decided to buy it. However, in the meantime, the saw has never been in stock in the webshops in NL. Any suggestions as to where to buy from?
Just turned mine on for the first time this weekend, blade grabbed the rubber plate and seized, causing it to spark and go loose, breaking the blade locking lever along with it…taking it back on Monday…hopefully replacement won’t have the same problem!
I had to shim the miter gage on mine as well, might be a common issue with them. I used a piece of 120 grit sandpaper and I'm getting perfect 45 deg miters from it now. I've done a fair bit of cross cuts on it and a few rip cuts, seems to be holding up fine so far (except the table coating, seems to wear off quickly). I've had a good experience with dust collection, very little mess on the top and bottom, almost all the dust gets blow out the dust port. My biggest issue was with the miter gage not sliding well with any load on it, some dry lube does seem to help but does not solve the issue entirely. If the sliding table attachment comes back in stock anywhere I'd consider getting one for cross cuts. Overall there are some nitpicks here and there that make the impression that they were rushing the thing out of the factory, some sharp bits had to be filed off in the fence bracket to make it slide properly, a loose screw in one of the table extension rails, bevel stops needed adjustment to be exact on 90 and 45 degrees, the fence ruler marker was not zeroed to the blade. Apart from the nitpicks it's a sturdy and very capable saw. I don't work with hardwoods and the main tasks I would throw at the saw are what a DIYer home owner would throw at it (framing, cladding, shelving, etc.).
Hi Valids, thanks for the info, nice to hear your experiences are very similar to mine. I'll have to tune the miter fence a little more to get perfect miters, good to know it's possible.
The sliding table looks like a great attachment, but indeed it's not available anywhere. It's supposed to be back in stock in August according to a shop I contacted.
Thanks 👍
That mitre guague really is bad ass for its class.
If you look at the riding knives there is measurements on it that gives you the height of the blade
HI there, thanks for your great review. I am considering getting it . Do you think is powerful enough to do cross cross through a 2 inches beech or hard maple chopping board? Thank Best Ricardo
Hi Ricardo, I think it should be powerful enough to handle those tasks. Maybe if you were doing it all day every day, it would start to struggle.
Thank you for very detail review! I have heard, that this saw has non-standart miter slot. Maybe you know, it will fit to Incra, Kreg or Microjig miter bars? Thanks
Hi Volodymyr, thanks. The miter slot is non-standard, and has a T shape. It won't fit any of the standard aftermarket miter bars unfortunately.
If you want a different miter gauge your only option is to make your own miter bar for it.
@@machineatlas thanks a lot
2:16 Hi , what do you mean use square? what is this and how?
Thanks for the review it's helped me make my mind up..... and yes I will be getting one for $250 Australian more it seems like it is far superior to the ryobi 254mm saw.
@@samtilbury7200 Yes the Ryobi is about the $400 mark so $250 Australian more is $650. If you find one for $600 go for it.
A$250? Where is that from. I'd grab one at that money.
@@peace4peaceful that's $250 more making it 650 atSydney tools I bought mine 7 months ago
Hi, I will try to explain in English and hope it will be understandable.
You can adjust your fence perfectly. I could see that you can not put the lever completely down so your clamp in the back is too tight. Loose it until your fence will always align automatically. Now you already have repeatable setting. If it is not parallel yet then you need to adjust the angle with the screws on the top of the fence. I spent some time for adjusting but now it's perfect.
Regarding the miter gauge: did you try to loosen the 2 screws of the guidance? I think you can have some small influence to get the perfect square and tighten it again. Would be better than tape and you could also use another longer fence profile.
I hope I could help. I'm really satisfied with this saw because I could adjust any setting of the saw. Not to forget about the small rollers of the parallel fence. They have big influence for gliding performance and squareness to table surface.
Hi Mario, thanks very much for the tips. I'll try your advice with the fence to see if I can make it lock square every time, sounds like it should work.
About the miter gauge, I've added an aluminium extrusion (3060) as a fence now, which is much better. I'll be making a new video about that one soon as I've created a 3D printed flip stop for it as well.
@@machineatlas let me know if it worked. It always takes some time to understand the machine and all adjustment possibilities. Table saw is more complex than miter saw. But both need a lot of time for an accurate setup. But later the results will speak for themselves.
@@marmic2428 Hi Mario, I tried your technique and it improved it a bit. It's still not perfectly parallel all the time, but it's true that if you put it too tight, then it will be less effective at 'pulling' itself parallel. Then again, if you make the handle too loose, it can start to flex at the end of the fence. So there is a sweet spot somewhere.
Once I found the best tension, I would say it's pretty close to parallel, and good enough for most situations. Still would have preferred a system like DeWalt's, where you are always 100% sure it's accurate.
@@machineatlas hi, cool that it worked. You are fully right. It's a ride on a blade and it takes a lot of time to find the perfect point. Mine was also not parallel, but always tha same angle to the blade. Then I made it parallel by opening the 2 screws on the top, align it perfectly and tighten again. Also takes some time.
The Dewalt solution is out of discussion, I guess that this is the absolute benchmark and dream of everyone who would like to own a table saw. For me it was too expensive for hobby usage.
I have the same big problem with this fence. This evening or tomorrow I'll try to implement your suggest. Thanks in advance
Something to think about, there are actually 2 types of phillips screws, and they need different types of phillips screw drivers. So it you feel you are stripping a phillips screw heads, odds on is you are using the wrong driver. They are phillips (PH) AND Pozidriv (PZ)
I’ve always used a pozidriv bit from Snap-On. It works on either type of screw for me.
How long until you change the brushes?
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Thank you for your concise and thorough review. I consider this saw, but the unparallel fence is disappointing. It's really a shame because that is not a very sophisticated function to achieve.
Posted this question in 2 separate Metabo-youtube channels without answer, so posting here as well hoping someone here can help me. Pretty happy with my ts254m apart from the t-shaped miter tracks that prevents me from making simple cross cut sleds. Is there a solution for this? E.g. replacement table, miter ”bars” or would it be possible to route a ”normal” miter tracks in the existing table? Also on the topic of fence, I feel that when locking the fence, it seems to move ever so slightly towards the blade, making the cut slightly narrower than expected?
You don't need special aftermarket miter bars (although useful) to create a crosscut sled. I've built my own with hardwood as miter bars. Check out the video on crosscut sleds by William Ng, that's a great way to make one, works perfectly on this Metabo too.
@@machineatlas Thanks for replying. The issue I have is that since this saw has T shaped miter grooves the hardwood strips that I'm using for my sled are very thin to be able to fit through the narrow part of the "T". This makes it hard to secure with screws and also easy to break. I understand that it's great if yo want to put e.g. a finger board etc. but for all different type of sleds it's harder to make them easy and good. Might have a look at the sliding table accessory hand build a custom sled that uses the sliding table but it's 1 an additional cost and 2 unsure of the accuracy in the sled for perfect cuts.
@@C11ffH4ng3r Blir skenorna för smala alltså? Hur mycket mindre är det än vanliga skenor? Om du limmar och skruvar med mindre skruvar blir den inte tillräckligt stabil då. Borde väl gå med rätt smala skenor ändå, ska väl bara styra släden framåt och bakåt? Ska själv köpa en likadan så hoppas det går att lösa utan att behöva köpa den extra sidosläden också. Hoppas det funkar!
@@Dr_Dengrot Den smala delen är c:a 12mm så det går, och jag har en sådan släde, men den blir ganska svajig och även om jag uppskattar hur mobil sågen är med hjulen så man kan rulla den i garaget så hade jag nog tagit en annan om jag vetat om detta när jag köpte den. Har inte mätt hur breda de är på en dewalt men på bilder så ser det ut att vara c:a 20mm? Jag trodde nog att jag skulle använda "miter gaugen" (vet inte var det heter på svenska) men den är inte tillräckligt precis för t.ex. perfekta 45-gradersnitt samt läskigt ibland om fingrarna är nära, så en bra släde med klämmor hade varit bättre. Detsamma gäller om man ska ha "tapered" snitt eller multipla likadana snitt så är en släde bättre än "the fence" (haha, jobbit med svenska när man kollat många youtubefilmer).
Tyvärr verkar the sliding table svårt att hitta i Sverige om man inte vill betala dyr frakt. Såg en annan youtubefilm som rekommenderade att använda aluminium-lister istället eftersom de inte expanderar med fukt under året så ska se om det är ett alternativ. Antar att bordet är i aluminium åxå så kanske kunde man få spåren urfrästa av en mekanisk verkstad? eller så får man helt enkelt bita i det sura och sälja och köpa en annan...
Hey mate, did you find a good solution to your cross cut sled problem? thanks
Does this saw have a pull out table extension
Hi Ade, there is a pull out extension on the back, and also one to the side.
@@machineatlas that's awesome thank you, I've been reading a lot of reviews and after watching your video just bought one 👍 thanks for your help
@@adeh503 Glad to hear you found the video helpful! Enjoy the saw, for the price you can't really go wrong with it
¿Does this table saw hanndle dado blades?
Hi Pepe, no, this saw cannot be fitted with dado blades. The arbor is not long enough to fit them.
@@machineatlas Thank you!
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254 subs, iluminati confirmed 😂 nice video, thank you 👍🏻
That’s the German made one. Better than the one they sell in the USA
This is the M version, which is a smaller version of the 'regular' TS 254. That one is sold in Europe as well (though maybe there are some small differences between the US and EU version). Would be nice if they released this one in the USA as well.
@@machineatlas is 254 m german made or PRC?
@@efektmurowany I'm not 100% sure but I think it's made in China.
@@machineatlas thanks
Metabo hobby ok
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I have had this saw for about two months.
I plan to use it for one or two home projects and odd jobs that are not suitable for a track saw.
I paid A$550 for a new saw including stand on special sale. (as a comparison, in 2022, six pack of beer costs A$15 - A$30 depending on brand, petrol is 1.80/l and a construction carpenter gets about A$55/hour). Could not justify the cost of paying $1k - $10k for a professional tool. Though was really close to getting the HiKoki.
Clint Eastwood: Best saw at this price point. Motor has enough power, will rip 80mm no problem (fit a good quality blade). Accurate cuts (1 - 2 %) if you take the time to set up.
Soft start and motor brake really good. Dust extraction ok.
Lee Van Cleef: You get what you pay for. This saw is from the Wun Hung Lo bicycle and table saw factory. Identical accessories sold with other brands.
Power switch in a really awkward position, not the best for safety.
Some of the construction is solid but some is quite flimsy. The mitre gauge is a toy. The blade tilts to the right, the gauge fence is shaped for a left tilt.
Eli Wallach: This is a job site saw much more suited to general carpentry than cabinet making. It is necessary to check and recheck the fence position. The table is cast aluminium and not perfectly flat but ok. Mitre slots not standard ? 12mm wide at top, 19mm T and will take standard Powertec 5/16" T bolts, so usable.
My 10c worth.
Thanks Mark, that's a very fair review of this saw. Agree with most of your points. I didn't mention it in this video, but the power button is indeed in a quite awkward position. Not great if you need to turn off the saw in a pinch.
I think most of the downsides also apply to similar saws, so it's still a solid deal for the money.