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KANE STAYS IN HOCKEYTOWN & YZERMAN'S QUIET FREE AGENCY - Winged Wheel Podcast - July 2nd, 2024
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ก.ค. 2024
- The NHL's Free Agent Frenzy was mayhem and Steve Yzerman was...relatively quiet for the Detroit Red Wings (after bringing Showtime back to Hockeytown, of course).
Tune in as we start by discussing the re-signing of Patrick Kane in Detroit, including how the deal came to be, how the bonus structure affects the cap, what this means for the Red Wings forwards including Dylan Larkin, Lucas Raymond, Alex DeBrincat, & others, & lots more (5:30).
Next, an overview on some of the massive deals across the NHL (including Steven Stamkos, Jonathan Marchessault, Chandler Stephenson, Jake DeBrusk, Chris Tanev, Brandon Mantour, & so many more) before discussing Detroit's own signings: Cam Talbot, Jack Campbell, Erik Gustafsson, William Lagesson, Christian Fischer, Tyler Motte, & other small deals (11:50). How do they affect the team, replace the offense lost by Shayne Gostisbehere, David Perron, Daniel Sprong, and Jake Walman?
After that, an overall view of "The Yzerplan", Steve Yzerman's path for the team, how the cap space can be used for Lucas Raymond & Moritz Seider contracts or trades for players like Zegras or Necas, & more (50:30).
Then, an update on the Jacob Trouba situation and the trade that may not materialize (1:08:05), Pavel Datsyuk at Red Wings Development camp with the likes of Brandsegg-Nygard, Danielson, Sandin Pellikka, Augustine & others (1:19:56) before we take your questions and comments during our Overtime segment (1:22:00) - enjoy!
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Tarasenko Baby!
So many players got big money and longer term than id want Yzerman to pay, im glad he didnt do much
Yep, already did it for bottom pair d and bottom 6 center
Yeah,I was dissatisfied Monday, but seeing the term and dollars guys got, glad yzerman passed.
The last 2 free agencies questionable contracts were signed ( mainly copp and chariot ) some restraint this year was welcomed.
Plus, the copp contract doesnt look as bad now.
@Mike-ix5sv agreed , I don't think copp looks like a 5 mill player but I do think chirot played much better this season , I'd like to see holl and Matta go and make room for edvinsson and Johansson
@@stevensimpson8231 no doubt chariot had a much better second season in Detroit. I hope we move holl too, not Matta tho. Matta is solid and steady and good for depth.
I think you keep matta until he's consistently the 7th dman. Once Matta isnt a regular, you move him, no sense in having 3 mil in the press box when someone on a league minimum can do it.
I think having Kane for the full year is not appreciated nearly enough.
First offseason in 5 years training like an athlete not recovering from or nursing injuries.
That dynamic could be massive
Very happy not only is Patrick Kane staying in Detroit, but we got Vladimir Tarasenko! That is HUGE!
Oh my! What a pleasant surprise at these hours!
Indeed.
Albert, Simon and Burgers need to be in the line up next year. I think all three are ready for the jump to the NHL.
I wonder how much you'll piss and moan about their performance woes
My issue with Yzerman right now is how his philosophy has changed. If he wanted to be patient why did he step on the gas so hard heading into the bedard draft? We could’ve gotten a top 5 pick and landed an elite level prospect. He stepped on the gas, now he’s slowing down and wants to be patient and land another top 10 pick? I would’ve just sucked continuously and slowly built than the quick jumps and already stuck in the middle
I agree but he has to play the future that show they are ready. They need the experience and it’s time to see what they can do with real talent and not be playing for GR because SY wants to wait until they are Out of waivers and then sign them for cheap contracts like he’s been doing except for Raymond and Seider. Raymond in his first 3 seasons has more points than Larkin had in his first 3. So it’s fair to pay him and Seider who if is not on the First power play fans should be upset.
My guess would be the owners asked him to try and make the playoffs and now that the off season has been a fail and other teams getting better we’ll be back to being a higher end bottom 10 team and if we start getting injuries to Kane and someone of bigger impact even lower
I think stepping on the gas the Bedard draft is the biggest mistake Yzerman has made. I feel the same as I did then where I question where this team is going. I feel like we are destined to be the next Minnesota.
@@DONWASABIJUAN Probably a bit better than peak Minnesota. Probably bounce back and forth between Minnesota and Nashville level of good, but not great
You guys dont understand how much yzerman would have had to gut the team to tank for the Bedard draft.
Prior to any signings they were already to good to realistically be bottom 5.
They would have had to trade larkin and seider to be bad enough to compete for Bedard.
Further, for development and confidence, another season getting kicked in every night would be horrible for seider and raymond.
Lastly, does larkin sign his extension if yzerman doesn't get him some help??
I’m here for Kaner at this point. So happy he’s here another year.
Shout out Trouba for saving Yzerman from making another mistake
I wouldn't rule it out yet.
Disagree trouba with money retained would be a positive asset.
Trouba at 8 mil is horrible and why ny want to move him.
Trouba at 5 or 5.5 for 2 years is a positive.
He can take pressure off seider, and he's mean and physical. Snarl is something this team is missing.
I'm tired of teams taking liberties with larkin every year, trouba would help deter that.
@@Mike-ix5sv Nope
I'm with you guys, I'm happy not really what we did do, but with what they didn't do. When Stevie said he wanted to become defensively better, I understand why he traded Walman and let Ghost walk. Ghost was awful defensively, I am really happy he is gone. His low contract is because the other GM's seen how bad he was defensively.
Im watching Wednesday evening..after the fabbri deal. Its now the goalie part of the conversation, corrrection 6 goalies in the system! Lol
It’s ok, we got Tyler Motte. Everyone calm down.
we are gonna love him.
Decent, a podcast before my work day
Yzerman wants an apology and a new episode by tomorrow.
For signing a 32 year old winger? Sure Tarasenko is a good replacement for Perron but the d is still bad and the goaltending maybe marginally improved.
@@wyattbarnes9641 the D sucked all the way around, especially from Perron, Fabri (he had his moments though) and Ghost. A lot of ya’ll equate defense with strictly our defensemen and don’t hold the forwards accountable for shit.
Side note, I never met a more pessimistic fan base than my fellow red wings fans. Ya’ll complain about anything.
@@itsthefool9454 You call it pessimism, some call it realism, all about perspective. Besides, there are plenty of people in the fan base that trust management regardless of what they do and I’d say it’s pretty split between those and people becoming impatient especially with the bad signings, recent head scratching trades and questionable drafting. Hopefully some of these forward prospects hit and become very important players otherwise there won’t be much to be optimistic about. RHD is horrible outside of Seider, let’s get that out of the way. Subpar goaltending and below league average d won’t be bailed out by hard nosed forwards.
@@wyattbarnes9641 Talbot is better than the goaltending we got overall for sure. Campbell probably is GR bound. Husso was rough all around. Lyon may have been overworked and better suited for more rest in his schedule. The bottom pretty much fell out for extended periods by our goalies. I hear you about still needing to upgrade the right side of D though.
@Winged Wheel Podcast Ryan. I'm glad to see you're coming around to my thoughts on Yzerman setting the market with the Walman deal. In the moment during live stream you dismissed it pretty quickly. I think Yzerman was trying to make it hard for teams to shed salary so he would have less competition for some of his targets by eliminating teams that didn't want to pay the price of a 2nd round pick or more
Fair point, you were right!
Pavel's return makes you realize just how the 2008 & 2009 rosters were a one in a million miraculous example of late round drafting including Datsyuk and Zetterberg HOF. The perfect storm. Holland hit the marks with Helm, Filppula, Franzen, Hudler, Abdelkader, Ericsson, and to a degree Kronwall who was a late 1st round overaged pick. Even Dallas Drake who they let go years before and he returned. Add in holdovers from the 1990s Holmstrom, Osgood. McCarty, Maltby, and Draper.
They did not need big splash UFAs except Rafalski, the 96% of this core was created in house. Babcock was a the recipient of this group.
I would give credit to Haakan Anderson more than Holland. He found Pav, Z, etc. Holland way over paid Abby after a 30 goal year playing next to Pav and Z. You and I could score 10 on that line!
Its wild you basically listed the entire roster minus the perfect human
I don't see any scenario where Ottawa sends us Chychrun for that price after the DeBrincat trade. Their fanbase would absolutely riot.
Chychrun is in Washington
Gms wanted to act like drunken sailors with extra cap space
Every wings fan says they don't see the plan.... I see the plan, just take a long look at the wings cap friendly page, you'll see the pieces fall into place, I can't believe Brad didn't figure this out already
Hope Edvinson stays in the lineup. He was crucial those last 10 games or so.
No matter what Yzerman does
Brad is gonna complain and stay confused
Brad is being realistic. Most things don't work out. Especially prospects
He should be championing giving away players for free, signing bad deals and having no one to soften the young goalies transition to the NHL?
I'm comfortable with the minimalist approach so far. It kind of paves the way for more of our prospects to start breaking in. I mean, I thought Danielson looked ready last year and I can only assume he has improved since then
I was watching today and saw while watching they signed Tarasenko as Brad was saying he doesnt want to come lol. like them moving on from fabbri freeing up that space of 4M
The only thing I'm confused about is trading Walman with a sweetener. Other than that I have been in lockstep with "the Yzerplan". Once Hronek and Bertuzzi are traded, you refocus on the next realistic timeline where Raymond and Seider will be young vets welcoming in the next wave. Everything until then was about killing time and fixing the culture of the Org. None of the "bad contracts" like Chiarot will be around by that time. We saw what happened last year signing too many FAs blocks the talent that's ready to come up, now they have a path
If the cup window opens 3 years down the line we have to play all the young kids this year to know what we have and what to build around...glad some old heads are signing elsewhere. Let the young kids soak up the bottom 6 and i dont mind taking a step back as long as that means giant leap following year.
Chandler Stephenson is just a Left handed version of Compher, who I like. So the fact we have Compher at a lesser cap hit is kinda nice to see.
Kane at a full season adds additional offense to replace some missed. Edvinsson is an upgrade even over walman i think. Berggren replaces the sprong production. And if we don't sign anybody else then we can slot in one of Danielson, Mazur, or Kasper and they could add some production to replace some of Perron's production
Literally saw the Tarasenko move right after I posted this.
Get over Walman guys ghost and Wally were just not great at D . Yes the goals will be missed but I’m confused why you can’t stop propping up Walman
12 goals from a blue liner, good stick great at transition D.
But in the grand scheme no real loss.
I'm not upset about losing walman, no biggie.
The circumstances are concerning, it was bad asset management.
Yzerman added draft capital to move a serviceable player on a reasonable contract.
Alot of people certainly over value walman, because of two partial seasons with pretty good play paired with Mo.
But even recognizing he was over rated by many in the fan base, there is no way he is a negative asset that need a pick attached to move. A team certainly would have given a late round pick for him, but yzerman didnt do his due diligence ( so the reports say anyway )
SY should be playing the prospects that show they are ready and let them compete for a spot on the roster. Only Signing I can tolerate is Kane I don’t like the other signings and I would rather see who takes a spot over the players especially the players who are 800k plus. Even Ras/Copp and Veleno should be waived if they can’t compete with a Prospect I don’t care what they are making these kids need to be looked at with Talented players during Preseason and not prospects playing against NHL players when the NHL players on the roster play the C team of the AHL players who are not even going to get to the NHL.
Detroit feels like the logical landing place for one of Necas, Ehlers or Laine with how free agency has shaken out. Laine with ~3m retained for this year and next seems like a great gamble to me, but I'd be surprised if yzerman takes a swing on him given his player assistance program history.
It,s not what Stevie did not do this year,, it,s what he DID DO last year,,,bad contracts to 2 D men ,, the Copp contract is not really looking good and there are a couple of other contracts we could discuss..BUT,, I,m sure he has a ace up his sleeve,and counting on the young kids to come up and begin to show a promise,,,Still have HOPE that the PLAN will work,,,Saw my first Redwing game in 1958 at the old Forum in Montreal,,I have never ,,ever cheered for any other team...So hopefully in a couple of years we will see some hope !!!
At some point you just have to bring in quality players to move the needle. Last year was a step in that direction (DeBrincat and Kane). So far, this year is a definite step backwards notwithstanding a future blockbuster trade. Based on a simple goal production analysis, which does have a corollary to points, they have lost net 50 goals, which will drop them back down to a bottom 10 team. I get the bad cost and term on players like Stamkos, Marchessault and Stephenson, but one of those guys would have offset the goal loss and kept us in the hunt at the end of the season. Again, at some point, you have to pay for progress which then creates momentum to draw even better players. You cannot economize your way into becoming a top 10 team ... just ask the Wild.
Very confused on exactly what Brad wants teams to do lol unless your like 4 teams in the "window" and exactly what that is, kinda annoying,, not gonna lie, what does he want, everyone to take a one year deal?
The Future Considerations for Ottawa in the St Louis - Ottawa trade is going to be St Louis trading for David Perron....
Yzerplan looks confusing. In the last couple of years Red Wings have signed players such as Compher, Copp, Petry and Holl, who do not fit into the long-term plan regarding young players, and the cap was getting used a lot. We just got left out of the playoffs and then it seems that only a year after the previous plan we are on different plan and dictated by choice and partly by necessity, we rely more on our own prospects and don't aim for success as quickly as it seemed year ago. What does the Red Wings want to be and where are they going?
All the picks Yzerman has made over the years are about to take over. That’s where we are going. Our prospects are a better shot a success than over paid middle age guys who are past their prime. No loyalty in today’s world & Detroit is a class act org smh.
TINP. There Is No Plan
I think Kasper with a talented line he would be great. He is playing with AHL caliber Players who can’t even get a nhl contract and they are not going to help him.
I don’t know why the other prospects can’t Atleast practice with them.
The issue is the change in Philosophy, we were happy to hand out 4 & 5 year overpriced deals to subpar players. But when better (granted older) players become available we balk at the price and term. The Copp, Chairot, Holl deals anchored us from taking a chance on Marchessault and Stamkos, we also lost Ghost in the process. The team isn’t any better and are going to be relying on rookies to carry much of the load if we want to just make the playoffs.
Careful we're not allowed to criticize the Yzerplan like that with truth bombs like this. Not shocked between this show and the Yzerman knob gobblers at woodward sports that they are defending and coping hard justifying not going after any of the big fish and paying a lot. 😂 hilarious to me that wings media are just fine staying bad and not making the playoffs once again. They make it sound like once you're 30 you completely fall off the map but are praising bringing back a guy with a bum hip and kane only played about a month or so...do they really think his hip will hold up for 82 games?? Come on....#deadwings 😂
@@Workingman22Never question Mccarty
@@Workingman22 you make so much sense, expect McCarty and the Steve Fan Boys to come after you in full force.
What's more likely, Albert Johansson or Simon Edvinsson being Mo's partner all year?
Simon 1000%
I am really starting to question where we are going. Yzerman steps on the gas in the Bedard draft year, ridiculous FA signings and consistently making the safe draft picks. I think they need to make the uncomfortable trade and seek someone that can reach an elite talent level. Trevor Zegras and Anaheim makes so much sense to me
All you casual fans need to bump the brakes and chill. Remember when we start contending in playoffs in two years all the doubt you all spitted and make sure to not cheer or partake in the winning. Non of you have the hockey IQ or vision that people in this org have. Take a seat and stop complaining!
Point proven. Tarasenko mfrs!!!!!!
People can say what they want, not obligated to blindly follow and cheerlead Yzerman like you choose to. If our main 3 forward prospects don’t turn into legit producers or impact players than there’s no guarantee of playoffs or a cup contending team. Doesnt help the smart people in the org you mentioned can’t draft in North America or outside the first round.
@@wyattbarnes9641I don’t blindly follow. I follow bc he knows more about hockey than this entire fan base combined.
I’d be this way with any GM w/ the wings if he did the job yzermans doing. Like I said bump the breaks. He’s building a franchise, not a 1-2 and done.
@@wyattbarnes9641 arnt you a Wings fan? I don’t understand fans who just complain about the team they like/love/follow. Sounds like miserable lives creeping through the holes of the net 😂
@@-Nv-94 I am a wings fan, I’m just realistic and not keeping receipts when fans don’t love every move the gm makes
Trouba is only 30...hes not retiring. If anything after the rangers waive him he will pick a team more close to home i guess. Or maybe he needs to tell his woman that new york isnt the best place to live anymore.
He can retire if he wants. Not everybody wants to play hockey til they are 38. He might want to spend time with family
"classic 7th defenseman"... Meanwhile, they have 9.
Just glad that Kanes Bonuses are not going to count against the cap. But SY has to sign Raymond and Seider and I think they deserve a longterm contract and not be lowballed because SY is always trying to get over on the younger players. He has been cheap
Wtf do you ppl want lmao. Hollllllyyyyyy. Isn’t that better for the org as a whole? Plus they are unproven….pay top dollar-complain. Pay minimum dollar-complain. Like who are you ppl?
If the Red Wings regress then Kane will want to be moved at the deadline for sure. I feel his loyalty to the wings was a professional courtesy signing. Everytime I hear Brad discuss the future I never know which side of his ass he's gonna talk out. Bring up the new guys oh but the team sucks and we need a 50 goal scorer, sign the big contract oh but what about the rookies..I want the low risk contracts with my favorite players oh but we haven't filled every hole in the lineup..dobwe look to free agents Brad? Nahhh I don't like the way they spell their name..holy fck dude are your shorts cutting off the circulation to your head or do you not want to take a side in debate support?
Side note relating to free agent frenzy: Chase Bradley goes to Colorado. It's irrational, but I'll be bummed if the unlikely happens and he becomes a good 4th liner.
Who is Chase Bradley?
@@TheUnnamedAssailant Red Wings drafted prospect they didn't sign. Some skill, but play like a bit of a rat and a grinder.
@@chrisnovakowski6824 you can easily draft guys like that though, I barely remember hearing his name in GR.
Stamkos at that money and term wouldve been fine. He wouldve done well for us for a couple years, then we wouldve burried him in LTIR. We went into the offseason with 32 mil in cap space, and so far, we are worse than last year. If we are scared of giving guys money or term, we are never going to get a top-level free agent. Outside of a couple big trades, this will be a failure of an offseason. It will be another season where we miss the playoffs. Fun!!
Stamkos new contract is no way near fine! You want 8 mil a year wrapped up in two-four years when we are signing our younger guys and potentially someone else in free agency? Hell no. You wanna end stammers career on LTIR? Very classy. He chased a bag and by all means I’m glad he did. He isn’t worth more than 5-6 mil and that just for next season. He’ll fall off and be where he should’ve signed at 3-4 mil player after next year.
No reason to get to the playoffs for one season and not the next these young players need experience and I hope SY gives a couple a chance because AHL is not going to teach them the NHL
Tarasenko
My car barn with the Plan is continue to draft high floors not as much upside is if we ever need to trade up when window opens is you struggle to meet demands without giving up a haul
So according to what I'm hearing here. We shouldnt sign free agents close to or over 30 for anything other than 2 years or for anything more than a couple million? Seeing as most free agents are close to 30 and will want some money and term, I guess you guys dont want any free agents because, I hate to tell ya, this is what the market is and it wont change. If we arent going to adjust, we'll be sitting on our hands "waiting for the kids" for another 10 years. How mamy more years of missing the playoffs will be acceptable for you?
10 years 😂😂😂😂😂 see ya in 2. The kids are about to take over. I want loyal players that WE drafted. Not other teams garbage.
@@-Nv-94 Ya ya, I've been hearing this forever. The problem with waiting for the kids is, we don't know if they'll be any good in the NHL. So we wait for years for the kids and if they don't translate, then we're back at square one. How mamy more years of missing the playoffs are you OK with?
@@thewickedone2676as many as it takes bc either way win or loose. I bleed red 24/7 365. Fake fans.
That walman trade keeps looking better and better 😂. Yzerman will say he got rid of it to create room for the kids and then goes and signs gustafsson. Also was on the hunt for Trouba and that’s going nowhere so that extra cap space he got as well is for nothing.
We could have drafted Lukas Fischer with that 2nd or finally gotten rid of Justin Holl or used it in a meaningful deal but it is what it is it’s a fail by Yzerman this off season.
Been calling to play the kids for a while now so that’s what we’ll finally get to see which is a good thing but with the moves Yzerman made this off season and other teams getting better wings will definitely be a bottom 10 team unless a kasper , danielson come out of the gate and are 50-60 pt guys
Dude Walman is a third paring D that plays to much Fortnite. He was not good! Get over it. We don’t need personality’s. We need people who are all in on the game of hockey.
I’ve never been so whelmed about a season as I am for this one, the team on paper has gotten worse and there doesn’t seem to be much of an idea of what this team will be this year
Thank God for the Lions, they’re carrying Detroit sports by themselves
At some point you have to see what you have with the young guns. Lot of these contracts signed for aging stars were brutal and would block out guys like Danielson, Kasper, Mazur, etc.
Sure hope a term of 3 years was not the reason they didn't sign Gostisbehere given that they had no problem giving 3 and 4 years to Holl and Chiarot.....
How is Bobblehead Brad not an NHL GM? He just knows everything about hockey. 😂. Maybe he replaces Stevie.
Can Brad draft middle 6 forwards and give bad contracts to middling vets? If so, maybe he does
Florida has like 3 players that they drafted. Yzerman needs to get moving.
To me, it sounds like you are very bad losers over what other teams have managed to do during free agency. If you are very biased towards S.Y and that he never does wrong e.i as D-mac, then these are the kind of excuses I expect to hear. I'm not saying you three are like D-mac, but starting to sound more like it.
Many fans including myself are disappointed as we don't see any impact players being added. A lot of Tuber's keep up the hope that it must mean that something else big is on, so it must be when we have S.Y right.
Okay what has S.Y managed to do?
We got Kane back for a year. Is it because he will again have shelter time in RW this year too or? I'm not completely against giving him that as this year (off season), he can return to preparing like any other season on paper. But for 25/26 then what? Unknown factors create a basis for further speculation only.
S.Y sign some goalies and some defenders who at BEST are (1) a small upgrade on paper, then what? We also see Fischer again and we also have the eternity machine in Motte today, then what?
So far under free agent, this is looking more and more like watching the movie Moneyball with an upgraded crew of RW front office in it. Will the movie be better with these new faces! I say no, since a very good film (my 2 cents) has then been turned into an extremely bad comedy.
As a Fan, I find it extremely difficult to see how a rebuilding team can have a cap problem WITHOUT having a minimum of (4) elite players in their lineup, RW had 0 ELIT players in their lineup today.
RW has a few very good players e.i Kane and Larks. RW is forced to rely heavily on youngsters like MO & Raz and new faces from GR to carry the team forward. I maintain that S.Y is asking for a bridge too much here and I have a hard time seeing RW being able to maintain Q status for next season.
The facts remain that S.Y has signed stupid contracts without thinking long-term and he is holding on to the assets he managed to scrape together in order not to lose face publicly. For example, a buyout of Holl or trade ANY of those bad contracts we have. PLD succeeds annually with the trick of being traded, not by S.Y tho.
What we see live today is a rebuild of the rebuild (Moneyball) and feel free to listen again to Gustafsson's interview about being a RW for the next two years. Does Gustafsson exude any positive body language about being a RW, I say no as a Swede. From Rags to RW its a downgrade for sure.
As a fan, I choose to criticize the person who signs the contracts, not the player. Otherwise a good show as usual, keep it up.