Flattening the $30 workbench with one cheap plane.
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This title of this should now be "Flattening the $4000 workbench"
Ikr, a real shame. I haven't bought wood in forever.
Gone are the days of inexpensive wood..
2x4s are down to 3.47 near me
It costed me around £55 to build this at the end of 2022 (sigh)
Gosh I know, I was nervous to check 2x4 costs here in Canada, where fence posts that used to cost 10-20$ are now 80$
Luckily now in 2023 2x4x8s cost 3.95$ so 43 Canadian dollars/32 American for all the lumber to build this bench.
The first half of the th-cam.com/users/postUgkx3ICSK6nSknaL_45CU2NmFSoXjarGMDiJ book is everything about wood: types, tools, finishes, setting up shop etc. The second half is all about doing projects for inside and outside of the home. The color pictures are helpful. After reading a dozen of these types of books, this is probably the best overall (layout, color photos, plans). Only detraction is that many of the projects use a table saw/router/planer, which are usually expensive and take up space, so the plans are less friendly to newcomers and the budget conscious. But I know I can use a drill, circular saw or a jigsaw to make the projects.
This series is really refreshing among all those who go "let's head over to my Festool this" and "I'll grab my Lie-Nielsen that" all the time.
Yeah, we need a more basic approach for the rest of us!
Indeed.
no kidding. on a scarier note, I think youtube reads and responds to my comments o.O
To hell with Festool man, I'd walk over to the jointer and run that puppy through that, then head over to the thickness planer. The thing is though, why would you want to bench that heavy? As if moving around Lumber isn't backbreaking enough. That said I really enjoy the video cuz your attitude is awesome. One does have to wonder though, if you don't have serious tools and equipment then it's not really woodworking, it's wood play.
@@josephdestaubin7426 I'm curious about the heavy work tables too. Plywood tops not popular at all it seems. I feel like it's reasonable to use a plywood top to save a 1/3, 1/2 or even 3/4 of the 2x4.
And regarding "wood play", tell that to the people centuries ago where they built mansions and masterpieces with hammers, chisels and saws. People these days just like to play with their toys too much and will find all sorts of reasons to justify them.
You are the Man. Been looking for a woodworker that's not afraid to put some elbow grease into his projects, rather than having a distinct machine for every single movement in woodworking . A big Thank you from us minimalists...
Seriously. I hate the 800 dollar hand planes for every step shit.
At that point, it's no longer romantic or rustic... just use a fucking machine at that point.
I don't say that often, but you are really one the few TH-camrs who are doing really helpful stuff. I mean there are tons of tutorial videos out there that start with HOW TO MAKE... and then the guy takes his lathe and bandsaw to do it, as if that would help a 14-year old in his father's small workshop. What you're doin is amazing, keep it up!
Thanks, I have a bench me and wife built 15+ years ago, top has warped over years, especial after we moved into our new air conditioned shop. Now I think I understand how I need to fix my old bench. Again Thank you for sharing.
I bought all of Schwarz’s books after your first Roman bench video. Planning my own. Good job sir.
Chris is the man.
I'm a professional woodworker by trade, just wanted to chime in and say that this is a good video. Sort of an inefficient way to make a bench but with limited materials/equipment it's perfectly fine. Like I'm not sure you could really make it any simpler, and often that's a good thing.
Out of curiosity and because I know I have a lot to learn, what do you mean by 'an inefficient way'? Are you talking about the need for glue construction or the low number of tools involved, or wasted materials, or something about the bench itself?
@@Nurk0m0rath Yeah just a more typical way of building a workbench is to make the top a sheet of ply with a stiffening frame of e.g. 2x4s underneath. I could probably knock a basic one up in an hour. With this way, you're using more physical material (though it may work out cheaper overall depending on the price of 2x4s vs the price of ply sheeting in your area), and also the gluing-up and then flattening process is more involved.
So yeah, cost, time, and physical amount of materials used are all a little inefficient - though the cost *may* work out cheaper than a ply-top bench.
I think it depends on what you're using it for. What you're describing isn't going to support holdfasts and heavy mortising operations. If you mostly use power tools, sure, throw some ply on some construction lumber and call it a day. But if you're planning to mostly use hand tools, which is the focus of this series, you need something a little more robust.
@@whatevil appreciate the response, good insight.
seems the cost of ply is sky-rocketing around here, soon contractors will have to employ security guards
This process only proves that one inch at the ends of the bench are even, dosnt tell you if the middle is lower, or higher.
Everyone likes fancy fine wood working, but sometimes those videos just overwhelm you with the tool, knowledge and experience needed. It’s nice to watch beginner friendly videos. You, and Pask’s scrap wood challenge videos help build confidence. Keep it up!
Joshua Scarlett It's very nice to be mentioned with Pask. That dude is the man!
@RexKrueger this is exactly why I love this video.
I think what I would like to see more of, and work on myself, is developing a sort of master woodworking that doesn't rely on nice tools.
Like, if you are spending 800 dollars per hand plane for each type of movement, plus a bunch of other tools, at that point its no longer even romantic or rustic and you might as well use power tools........ lol.
Great content creator. Very simplistic on the editing, lots of useful information. No flash, no show. More people should make videos like him.
they did. then yt got monetised, patreon happened.. and it became a business, like all other social media. so now, like most things, it's just all about the money.
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Great content (ie knowledge) doesnt need bells n whistles
@@daos3300 I don't understand your complain, the content of this channel is still great and free, people can now support him, videos like these take time at some point it's not possible to just be a side thing because of the shear complexity of this, and clearly the latest videos have a leap in quality, everyone has to eat and feed their family, this guy can feed his family and keep the content free for most os us, so what's the complain?
Great vid, I've been on a DIY workbench video kick lately and this is the first video where the "low cost" wasn't bragged about seconds before walking over to a $500+ planner in a $5000+ workshop.
IMHO the spar varnish is probably the best step taken for a bench that will be outside in the weather. Good job.
Glad you approve!
I really enjoy this series. It is more helpful to me than videos made in a decked out shop with $50,000.00 worth of tools. Keep it up! I’ll spread the word as best as I can on Facebook.
This method of flattening is related to hand scraping in precision machining. With patience and some practice it is possible to obtain ultra-flat surfaces using simple hand tools.
For the impatient ones, if you own a router (who doesn’t?), building a simple flattening jig for the router will get you a flat bench top faster.
And you can use it again to make a nice live edge slab table later.
I completely agree and I use router sleds frequently since I don't own a planer or jointer. But using a router is almost the antagonist of this series premise
Hey Rex just wanted to let you know, i first started watching you when you were on your second or third video, a couple years ago.
Then you took a long hiatus and I kinda lost trail of you, thought you had quit TH-cam.
Was surprised to find you on my recommendations again now, and still making videos.
The point is, I'm really glad you stayed true to your style.
We need to bring woodworking back to basic, pragmatic approaches.
It's nice to have that festool and a toll wall and bench worthy of a museum, but it kinda of seems most of us forgot you don't need any of that.
What you need is to hone those skills, and outside the box thinking. Those old videos of you recovering vintage planes gave me confidence to do my first. For that I thank you.
Keep it going you're a rare gem in this flood of pedestrian joes
That's very kind of you, thanks! I was never off TH-cam for more than a few weeks, so you might want to go check out the back catalog. You may have missed a lot!
Absolute life saver. I have to unexpectedly replace an entire countertop on a super low budget, and all the instructions for wood countertops involve a thickness planer. Videos on alternatives: "First, take your router..." Ah. Some proper instruction on how to use a hand plane for wide level surfaces gives me something I can work with. Thank you.
Here's a down-and-dirty video tip in recompense for all your down-and-dirty woodworking tips: The trick for getting both sticks in focus is a very small lens aperture (which increases depth of field) and lots more light (because the small aperture will make the image dark).
Much appreciated!
Rex Krueger Oops, I should have said "in gratitude for, " not "in recompense."
Thank you Sir. You keep this OCD amateur wood worker in check by reminding me that I will eventually have a nice shop set up, but in the meantime I can still do good work without all the bells and whistles.
if your garage floor is reasonably flat, you can rub sidewalk chalk on it in an area big enough to cover the top of the bench, put the top of the bench on the floor over the chalked surface, and move it around a little. Flip the bench back over, and you can see where the high areas are by where the chalk marks are. Flatten out the marked areas and repeat.
Good tip
Well this is a very nice ' why did I not think of that' moment... great tip! Thanks for that.
much simpler. and will definitely work
Concrete is abrasive enough, if you really wanted to you could just push your bench around your basement floor and after a while it will sand your bench flat😸
@@Phoenix540 remind me to use silicon carbide and corundum in my concrete :p
Hey Rex...We called "off-cuts" (DROPS)...That's what I was taught as an apprentice and taught my nephew. He caught on purty fast! [sic]. "Hey Rex...Bring me two straight two foot drops will ya'! " Hell yah! Great job bruh.
I love this guy, I’m a professional carpenter, trim and custom cabinets, but I love these videos because it’s the kind of stuff I don’t get to do, don’t get me wrong I feel lucky to get to make cabinets so much but that pays the bills, this is the stuff that made me want to be a carpenter, and his no nonsense affordable carpentry is great
Rex I gotta say I’m loving this little series you’re doing. I’ve been woodworking for about a year now and thought I becoming fairly knowledgeable but I’ve learned so much already just from these few vids. Lots of the TH-cam vids I’ve learned from assume you have a basic knowledge an there’s so many of us that don’t. These videos are so good for actual beginners. Please keep them up! I know they’ll be watched for many years to come from people just starting out. Thank you
I enjoy the simplicity of your videos. You also explain them well. I to am a little obsessive but at some point I stop myself and come to realize that nothing is going to be perfect. Thanks for the video!
Great series of videos. I made a bench using similar techniques about 20 years ago for a friend he is still using now. It has taken a beating. We just flattened the top again about a year ago using a router sled it didn't take much and after seeing this video he wants to coat it in the thinned spar urethane.
the thinned urethane has held up great!
I like how you make woodworking fun and don't obsess over the little details except where you need to.
What's more annoying is that perfectionism makes woodwork sterile like it came out of a machine even when it was handmade. It just reads as more artificial than natural when things are too clean.l, IMHO.
Rex, you are probably going to get real big here on youtube. Please stay humble bro, you're doing great work and us common guys really relate and appreciate what you are doing. Keep it up. #stayhumble
Don't worry, my wife and daughter won't let me get a swelled head.
@@RexKrueger LOL my man! Keep up the great work, I love this new series with the bench. Glad you have some family to keep you grounded at home lol.
Rex you rock..thanks for bringing back to my early days of woodworking. I'm gonna enjoy this winter in my workshop...wood stove and all. I wish you the best in your future videos. You got a great style. I will continue watching, contribute and share. Thanks for not falling prey to commercial sponsorship. Keep up the great work.
I just stumbled upon your videos. Simply amazing stuff! Please continue to speak to the masses of woodworkers who start from humble beginnings.
Great video. Whilst I don't need a bench like this, it's very interesting to watch and I still learn stuff about technique.
With winding sticks draw a black line on the back stick. It makes it easier to see the fine adjustments when you get close to the final passes. Something my grandfather taught me from his time as a chippy (UK slang for carpenter)
Love these vids. Low tech, high knowledge. So much experience passed on. Will probably start with the roman bench, then the mallet. You Sir is a great inspiration.
It would be interesting with a project where you log your time on the project on camera so we can see how much time it takes you from start to stop
This is such a great project, and I admire your work ethic. Glad to hear your subscriber numbers are growing!
“Where the problems are” for me, everywhere. Sounds like a fun afternoon!
I needed you several years ago. I about gave up and you made everything I had trouble with ten times easier. Your awesome man!
I really like your suggestion for using offcuts as winding sticks-that's super practical.
also really good is extruded aluminum angle. it's pretty cheap. you can get 1 meter lengths, which exaggerate the twist more. and it won't change with humidity.
ThoperSought dude...THANKS!
Aluminum angle is a godsend. I bought some after watching Neil using it on Pask Makes. It's better than a ruler or a straight edge. If aluminum angle isn't straight enough, then you're not doing woodwork, you're doing some kind of Clickspring masochistic machining.
Excellent sequential explanation of smoothing/flattening long surfaces. Well done!
His explanations are very thorough and have a good pace which makes it easy to understand. Thanks, thumbs up, and subscribed!
You're doing what I'm planning on doing. I have some recovered wood and plan to use it as much as possible for 3 x 8 bench. I thought of running the straighter edge against the fence and trimming it on my table saw for the first step. Your video will help with the other steps.
that cheap amazon plane works good with a new blade Rex bench came out really good nice and portable a handy extra around the shop .Another trick you can do is sprinkle Epson salts on your last coat of finish when it dries wash the surface off with water the salts desolve and you have a nice non skid finish.Works good on painted stairs too
I had no idea! Good tip.
Thank you, Rex. Appreciate your unique delivery and solutions to woodworking challenges.
Thank you. Teach me, teacher. On behalf of the apartment-dwelling-urban-types - you and the low tech, low cost... game changer. Truly. You'll be helping me spend the winter and the spring turning out a portable/pack-able/flexible/minimal work kit.
- Cathy (&, accidentally, Steve), Ottawa/Bytown
I enjoy the no fuss approach in these videos.
Excellent narrative, camera work, pace, information, and personality.
Good common sense approach. Lots for the new woodworker to learn about planing in the process, too.
I think the channel is "English Woodworker," or maybe Samurai does one too... makes a large plane from basic materials with a lot of leeway for a beginner who might not be perfect with their chisel skills. I've seen them made in the traditional style and Japanese style and they both worked great. Blades were either from repurposed old lawnmower blades, truck springs, or blank high-carbon steel stock you can get on Amazon for not a lot of money, ground to shape, and quickly hardened with a propane torch and an oil quench.
Big fan of this series. Can’t wait for the next installment.
Neat project! One possibly useful suggestion: barge board. Basically a giant (full sheet) sanding block. It's what boatbuilders use to fair hulls. Thanks for the upload!
I used thinned down poly on my own bench. I tested it first and found that if I didn't sand the wood after the first coat that the fuzzies that stood up provided a better grip than the raw wood. So that's what I did. I put on two coats (inside bench only) simply to aid with stopping glue spills from sticking badly and left the stiff varnished fuzzies. It's holding up well and still has better grip than the unfinished wood a couple of years after being done. So just don't sand it ! :D
Been a lot of fun watching your Woodworking for Human's chain of videos.
Fuzzies are friends.
Your opening remarks run through the whole video. Good eloquence!
That sighting example around the 2:00 minute mark was genius!
Thank you!
Love the videos and you can tell you're really into woodworking. You have taught me a lot over the last year and just wanted to say thanks.
love your extra off-the-side comments. the extra explanations of why/how to do things.
Welcome back to the plane channel. Love ya Rex.
I used a solid core door for my first bench, which I made twenty years ago and am only now making a new fancy one. Though I wasn't woodworking all that time. For the frame, and many other projects, I purchased hard maple at a nearby lumber auction. You got a mix of everything, FAS , common one and two. It was a fraction of the normal price, which made it much more economical to learn on. I still have a decent amount of cherry left. It was so cheap I bought a lot.
I thoroughly enjoy your presentation and your vocalization! Spot on! Many thanks.
I made my bench using clear SYP(Southern Yellow Pine) 2x4's. Yes it costs way more than $30 but.... It turned out great. I planed the top to remove the edge radii so the surface is as flat as a piece of polished granite. I also used an appropriate very well thinned hard poly finish to harden the surface that will see the most abuse. My most favorite "soft wood" is SYP. After the top stopped absorbing the polyurethance and began "pooliing" the top got sanded down to a nice satin dull appearance. To be honest I used the SYP because it was left over from a job. I have been using resawn clear SYP 2x6's as the body material for my wooden planes. Carefully mated to hard maple soles the planes are proving to be incredibly stable and durable. I am realizing a great deal of satisfaction building my own collection of wood working tools which includes my workbench.
If I could get it here, I would have done SYP for sure.
I get it at Lowe's. The quality has been going down the last few years. Here on the south side of the Mohawk River in upstate NY some of the Amish Sawmills have really beautiful Adirondack Red Spruce which is almost as hard as SYP. It isn't kiln dried or planed. Rough green lumber that dries fairly quickly when stacked properly (I worked as a lumber stacker one summer 50+ years ago. Oh yeah I really enjoy your videos. I found your videos because of Wood by Wright. I don't watch his videos as often since discovering yours.
Peace.
I'll tell you what, the Woodwork for Humans series is definitely giving me ideas and inspiration. I'm working on getting into lutherie, and the price of some of the tools and stuff is daunting. But now I have ideas to make it so much easier.
Great video! I like the way you approach woodworking.
You're very informative and give the little tips most people seem to forget to teach, funny here and there and pretty talented. ima binge watch some more lol
This video is awesome...so awesome in fact that I bought lumber last Thursday...and last night I began planing the boards with my arsenal of antique cast iron bench planes that I've lovingly restored over the past several years... including an 18" joiner. Thanks for introducing me to this style of bench! It's so much more accessible than the elaborate Roubo style benches that would probably take me several months to complete.
Yeah, I think I could make a Roubo, but I don't see the point. Many simpler designs get the job done just fine.
Seems like a lesson learned from this would be, test plane each board and draw an arrow for grain direction. Keep up the awesome work and videos Rex!
Getting the grain lined up would help, but it's not such a big deal!
Love this series. I need to get started with my workbench
You and Roy Underhill - the best and most fun!
Wow, I've been compared to St. Roy!
@@RexKrueger I also much appreciate your reference to James Krenov, I was not fortunate enough to meet him, but all 3 of his books are cherished here and suggested to all who love wood. 40 years ago I wondered, could his method of everything being a crisp cut, no sanding dust to haze the shimmer of the wood, work on the softwoods we can easily find and afford? Recently retired, I start making planes in the coming year (2020) and find out. And in an odd quirk of fate, I accidentally made a chunk of common 2x4 feel smooth like velvet and have a soft lustre, even on the end grain! 3 years ago, and I saved it for a test piece, it has now experienced differing temperature and humidity with zero grain sprout, still looks and feels like the day I polished it. Unfortunately sandpaper was involved, but to be able to stabilize pine so well is worth a little haze. Should be an interesting year ahead, many projekts on my radar, I'll be watching you, and maybe someday my website will be worth looking at too - keep in touch please if you like, and thanx much for showing all of us what small value expensive tools and "systems" truly are. Simple tools, hand and electric are just as fast and effective in the right hands and mindset. Carry on Sir!
This bench could be good for dual purpose, sitting & woodwork, and keep outside. Old school, minimal power tools - awesome!
I mostly like his approach of just using power tools where they are actually useful, not going "Well, There's A Machine For That". Almost everyone has a battery drill and a small power sander in their workshop, but almost nobody has a jointer just standing around. "Woodworking for Humans, not Woodworking for Masochists" is a good approach.
First live stream I've watched. Very Exciting. You have me loving planes. I have one that is on the list for overhaul, because of you. Thanks Rex.
Don't do it! Once you restore one, you'll be addicted for ever. I own dozens!
So refreshing finding these videos that are realistic, it doesn't need to be perfect.
"This is woodworking for humans, not woodworking for masochists."
😂😂😂 And Im dead!
That quote made my day! I’m still cracking!
Thanks for the video! I tried earlier and after I glued up four 8' 2X4's it developed a real bad twist. I'll try again, you have inspired me!!
Your wood probably needed more time to dry, and more planing and preparation before the glue up to true them up. Hope your second bench turned out better!
great video. love the "woodworking for humans" title. I'm just getting into doing a small amount of woodworking by hand, no power tools. I work in an operating room, and don't want to provide any more surgeries for my coworkers. This past year I spent a lot of time on the web. I watched your videos, rob cosman, stumpy nubs and so on. i had a lot of extra time on my hands as i recovered from surgery for pancreatic cancer and did 12 rounds of chemotherapy. Nothing but fun there. thanks for keeping me occupied. now, i am going to try making boxes , dovetail joints & such by hand.
have a great one
If you want a cheap(ish) winding sticks that are really flat and strong and will stay that way, but some aluminum angle! Cut 2 that are 24" long. That will cover 90% of your flattening needs. Yes, flattening also. Just lay the aluminum across the wood and look for cups, bows and warps by using and edge or the spine. And they don't warp!!
I like how sincere you are
Finishing part was my thoughts exactly; really thin out an urethane finish, so it soaks in and hardens the wood.
Congrats on your success. You deserve it.
I watched do many woodworking videos and I still can't understand how a planer works. How that metal part chops away the unneeded parts. It's like magic to me.
I liked the part about lining up all your grains the right way so when you get ready to plane , thanks dude
Yet another great video, glad to hear your TH-cam stats are on te rise
I’ll share your channel with my English speaking classmates, they’ll love it too!
wow the most comprehensive video ive seen in a while . no nosense . tbh This Guy has a crazy face , its like beautiful and intense at once . cant look away
The ladies agree with you.
I don't have much woodworking skills and have never really made anything, but watching Rex's videos makes me want to do one of these projects. He makes it seem so simple.. What could go wrong?!!!
I've watched a few of your videos, but have never subbed, until now! enjoying your videos more and more, keep it up.
Just wanted to say thank you Rex (aside from the how to hide expenses from your spouse video :P) as a new woodworker you've made getting into this a whole lot less intimidating than almost every channel I've found, especially as someone who is okay with a blended power tool approach and especially as someone who is tight on money (and space) and wants a hobby to make something with their hands. Wishing you success.
Well, YOU are my target audience. Glad to help!
Great video. This series is great for beginners on a budget. Explanations are clear and useful! Thanks! : )
Good video. What is interesting is how much the leveling of the bench resembles a process in machining known as scraping.
I love the comedy in your intros man. Keep up the fun!
My 1st time here! Rex, you sir are a 1st Class Instructor and Performer! I'll be baaaack when I get more free time! I subscribed here after just one visit! Thank you, sir!
Excellent discussion loaded with valuable knowledge.
Great stuff. This project is on my list now.
I'm almost confused by the combination of regular-guy and incredibly helpful... (first one of your vids I've watched - will be back for more)
ive been checking out all your videos, they're great! I love your channel, keep em coming!
Shared it to FB for you Rex. Thanks for the videos.
I'm recently semi-retired, my son's wish fully... What can you do, anyhow that's another story...I'm just kind of branching out to some hobbyist wood working, and stumbled on the channel. I'm really liking your stuff, the delivery of the message much appreciated, as is the message itself. I don't know what my wife's gonna think though, because our basement is about to become a very different place indeed.... Maybe she'll sign off on my new barn
Thanks Rex for your instructive videos! They are really great and very informative!
This is a great video Rex! Been watching for about a year and really enjoy where your channel is heading! Thanks for the great content brother!
My pleasure!
Hi Rex, thanks for showing the possibilities besides "high end woodworking". Sometimes I get the feeling that this would be the only way for getting things done. Good ideas! Greetings over the ocean from Germany;-)
Ah Germany, the country of my ancestors! And yes, I don't like the high end approach very much. Too much money wasted.
@@RexKrueger - dont let rob cosman here you say that!
This was stupid helpful. I do everything on a budget. I just don't have money for expensive tools, I'm also completely self taught. Not an expert by ANY means. This is something I can use on a nearly daily basis as I do maintenance daily for work. Great video. Subscribed!!
im going this weekend to get my 2x4's to build this bench. and by the weekend after next, i'll have finished restoring my great-grandfather's Trustworthy brand (looks to be about the size of a 4-4 1/2) plane.
i'm really freaking excited. and my grandfather is ecstatic that his father's tools aren't getting dumped in an estate sale.
That's WONDERFUL!
I have my dads tools from when he passed away - some of which belonged to his dad. Every time I use one of his planes I almost feel like I'm shaking hands with him.
I just wanted to say I really appreciate the way you simplify your information, I’m just a beginner and don’t want to spend a lot money because I’m not sure if I really want to get in to carpentry, but you make it seem so easy, lol plug it into the wall if you got it 😂 I can do that I’m on my way wish me luck 👍
Amazing! Thanks for helping! I am starting and this workbench is just what I needed!
Hey Rex, I used to watch your dad Freddy's channel but he only used these scissor type hands. I'm really glad to see you using other tools...
Thanks so much you are refreshingly simple and straightforward
Just found this channel. BRILLIANT CONTENT. Keep it up!
Im no professional, yet. But this video's composition and information is very well presented. There's no beating around the bush, and I feel intrigued and interested by what Im learning. and I want to hear what Rex has to say next!
I like this video, because most of these woodworking workbench videos say you can make a workbench for like $100, then proceed to use thousands and thousands of dollars worth of equipment
One slightly more complicated way of getting a fixed height is to have some plastic tubing with some water in it and a string.
The water level on one end of the tube will always be the same as on the ther end so if you have one end fixed you can move the other around and have an easy way of seeing if the height is the same. Or put a string between them and you should have a cude long water level.
Usually used with concrete pillars and making sure suport are at the same height.