Alastor manipulating Charlie for 8 minutes, and 5 seconds (Pilot & S1)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- I felt like making this to highlight just how much of a manipulative little shit Alastor is, specifically towards Charlie. While a lot of people see them as a father-daughter duo, personally I think he is mostly just manipulating her even if he has grown more fond of her since the pilot.
Charlie made a mistake making such a vague deal with Alastor. “One favour at a time of my choosing” is incredibly vague. The only reason Alastor risked his life for the hotel wasn’t because he cares about it or Charlie but because he obviously needs something from her, and now she’s locked into a deal to do whatever he wants
At least It doesnt involve hurting anyone....maybe I can't tell with Alastor
To be fair, they don’t win the final battle without this deal, so………/
True, Alastor picked the perfect time though to make that deal. Charlie was still in a meltdown about Vaggie and her home so she got desperate.
Lucifer will find out about the deal his daughter made with Alastor eventually. And when he does...things are going to get ugly.
@@QueenofSilence101 How ugly? Like Lucifer scolding Charlie or Lucifer having to battle Alastor?
I’m glad this video was made. So many people are genuinely fooled by his manipulation😭 especially during Hells Greatest Dad. If Lucifer wasn’t there, he absolutely wouldn’t have tried to paint his and Charlie’s relationship as being familial.
Exactly. I could see that. How do some people not see through that.
it’s so ridiculous
You can see him looking evily(or whatever you call it) at Lucifer when saying something nice to Charlie and then looking at Charlie like he is super sweet and means it. Alastor is one of my favs tho, probably because of his manipulative character
In fairness dude has told them some stuff that should have them on guard. Dude dosnt really hide his evil.
He's manipulating with Honesty, and that's the hardest version to combat.
I get the impression that Alastor is becoming something of a twisted mentor figure to Charlie. He's convinced her to utilize her smile to control others the same way he does, albeit with less sinister intentions on Charlie's end, to rally Cannibal Town into fighting against Adam, while also bringing her into his circle of friends that're as diabolical as he is, like with Rosie. I fear that Alastor is slowly grooming Charlie into becoming his greatest pawn, nudging her into coming into her power and potential as Lucifer's heir both to help her cause in his own way and furthering whatever endgame he has regarding his plans to "pull all the strings" once he finds a way to free his soul. Especially since his support is now putting the Hotel on Vox's warpath, which might be what Alastor would want given his rivalry with the TV Overlord.
And what's super f*cked up about his manipulations of her is that, in a way, they're kind of what Charlie needed to start growing as the ruler Hell needs. He's doing it for all the wrong reasons to be sure, but his machinations are pushing Charlie to be more assertive and start utilizing her power for the betterment of her people. I just hope that his influence doesn't completely change Charlie into something that she isn't, and that whatever deal that he's got her in won't screw over in the long run.
I was thinking the same thing, as much as I know Alastor is using Charlie, he is literally the only person that can push her to be a better leader, because he always know what to say to make her take an action.
I love how sweet Charlie is, but is time to her to understand being good doesn't mean she has to be naive and passive, she needs to understand who deserves her kindness and doesn't, and apparently the only person that can make she understand it is Alastor, because he knows how to talk to her, say what she needs to hear, not what she wants to, like Vaggie always do, but without making she get defensive, like Licifer in episode 5.
The thing about Alastor is that I do think his plans are including Charlie becoming more powerful and use it to his own benefit ("she's full with potencial that I could guide"), but I don't think this will end up well for him, because once Charlie become truly powerful, confident and assertive, she won't be this easy to manipulate anymore, specially with all the support she has, it's just a matter of time until Alastor make something that will open her eyes to who he really is.
On the deal thing, it really depends on how much the terms _Alastor_ is operating under allow him to change things. Yes, she basically signed a blank check, and I personally think he’s going ask her to _not_ act and “not hurt anyone” when it would be the _worst_ time to not make a decisive strike. It’s not like Charlie stopping Lu atomizing Adam. It’s going to be something _really_ needed, and important (like if Luke got told to *not* take out the Death Star) and he’ll stop her, for his own plans.
But the actual deal should have a loophole, because it _is_ so vague. Alastor himself is tied down in a contract, and if ever had a contract (that became void once he was in Hell) with any of the New Orleans Voodoo gods, he probably knows what is and isn’t a deal to wiggle out of.
It’s vagueness could also backfire on him, and that Charlie has assumed that he would only ask her to _hurt_ someone for him, and not that there might be times when staying one’s hand _is_ the worst choice, means she’s not going to think about how that favor could be gotten out of, what solution it needs to get out of it, or what one would do to flip the tables on Alastor. Because, like I said, he has to play by his own rules (that’s the lore/terms of all tricksters).
And in a _very_ real way, if Charlie can flip the deal on Alastor, since it is so vague, he’ll have himself in a _literal_ Faustian Bargain with the heir to Lucifer. And then she can ask _whatever_ of him, because she would be bound by her own set of rules while he (potentially) subjugated to both his own rules and the cost of what actually _happened_ in the song where there _was_ “a fiddle of gold against [his] soul.” He technically never finished that _deal_ with Lu, because of Mimzy, but it got started by Alastor fighting back with the piano.
So there are plenty of ways to flip it so Alastor is under Charlie’s thumb/leashed to a _sane person_ just… Charlie is going to have to realize that she can’t be always passive, or always aggressive and that everything is about finding that middle ground with people. Because _usually_ people want that middle ground. I’d say Alastor, Vox, Vel, and Valentino, and possibly Rosie, don’t, out of the Overlords, because they don’t see how there is usually a win-win solution. Alastor and Vox want, always, a win-lose. And I think both media demons (Alastor and Vox) are also the kind of “people” who would _absolutely_ go “fiery blaze of glory” so if they can’t win-win or win-lose, they will burn it all down in a lose-lose. They’d rather go out in that blaze than cut and run several steps earlier if they’re invested enough.
(And I feel like Charlie is probably very sheltered, despite being 200+ years old, so the whole “mythology” of how various ((fae, gods, the devil, etc)) deals work, is not something she’d know the fine print on. Because it wouldn’t be something she’d need to really worry about.)
@@mayaraxavier2359 I wouldn’t be so sure - I see a number of magical bargains created between himself and the naive princess in the future: bargains that give him leverage over her and may even give him the power to change her so she becomes more accommodating to his agenda - of course, it’s suggested at certain points that Alastor himself might be changing too. So there’s the possibility that he might become open to Charlie’s influence as well.
We shall see…
@@wilberwhateley7569 that depends on lots of things, Charlie didn't make a deal with him because she was naive, she made the deal because she was desperate and he had information that could help, she was only naive in not realizing how much power over her this deal gave Alastor, she's probably not making another one so soon, and depending on what favor he's going to ask, she will never trust him again, and I think she knows best than owning several favors to the radio demon, so I don't expect another deal until we see where this one os heading.
@@mayaraxavier2359 I suspect that Alastor is cleaver enough to call the favor in and make it so that Charlie benefits from it in some way as well - which might just deepen the bonds of trust with him: which, in turn, will make her more reliant on him as he produces what she sees as miracles for her cause - which leads to more bargains for more “miracles” until Alastor finally plays his hand and reveals how weak her position really is now that she’s bound up in so many deals with him that she’s practically helpless without him at that point…
Gotta love how manipulative Alastor is that the he is even fooling the fandom to appear caring and all that, if his trickery is working on actual people then you know it’s working. Or bc the fandom is built with 8 yr olds lol
To be fair, the possibility does exist that he’s in the process of forming attachments to the hotel residents - that said, he is the kind of guy who will put his own interests first and probably will betray them for his own benefit (even if he feels like absolute shit about it later…).
I personally love his manipulation. And when we see his true colors (ex: him threatening Husk) it makes me like him more. While it is fun to see fanart and fanfiction of him being genuinely nice, I honestly want him to get worse.
ooor filled with women with daddy issues lol
One thing I think people overlook with this relationship is that I’m fairly certain that Charlie doesn’t 100% trust Alastor, nor does she 100% even LIKE him. She knows he’s shady, but the two times she “makes a deal” with him are less about him manipulating her and more about her obtaining her goals. Without the first “no deal,” she would’ve gone against her vision. Without the second deal, she wouldn’t have known about angels being vulnerable. They don’t win the battle at the end without the deal. Really pay attention to her mannerisms here. She’s not wide-eyed, innocent, and naive about it, she’s actually very upfront and even suspicious. Even when she makes the deal with Alastor, she’s not taking shit from him. From how she looks when she makes the deal, she knows this could backfire, but she also knows that his secret is VITAL towards the final battle. At this point, it feels like she knows that she can take care of herself and maybe even whoop Alastor’s ass in a fight. I mean, he took one hit from Adam and just ran away like a pussy. Charlie and Adam are on similar power levels, so who’s to say that Charlie wouldn’t beat him in a fight? Who knows what this will bring up in the future, but I trust Charlie to stand up for herself.
True, but she still made a deal with him. While it's good that she made sure that the 'favor' he will want wouldn't get anyone hurt, she should have gotten more clarification.
@@catpeasant106 Yeah. That’s true
@@catpeasant106 to be fair, "harms no one" is incredibly vague. Charlie can absolutely use that wording to argue that any favor shouldn't have risks of harming herself or other physically OR emotionally. I feel like that narrows down the nonsense Alastor can bring into the equation, lol
Ran away like a pussy he had to because wouldn't you do the same if someone tried to kill you with a weapon
You put too much emphasis on the raw power aspect - if there’s anything that episode eight demonstrates, it’s that your power level can be well over 9,000 and yet the janitor can bring you down if you’re not careful.
No - the whole idea of being able to take someone in a straight fight once magical bargains are involved: putting yourself in those situations gives the other party a degree of power over you - something Charlie is aware of but decides to take the chance anyway out of desperation: fear of losing that which you care about is a powerful motivation that a skilled manipulator can weaponize…
Alastor isn’t the strongest in Hell. But he’s definitely one of the smartest.
What I find interesting is Alastor is very secretive and constantly twists his own words to get what he wants, but aside from Angel he’s probably the most real with Charlie and is the one who ironically pushes her to step up and have more authority
I love Charlie, but she's too naive. I'm in 100% agreement with you that Alastor is simply manipulating her, and that there's minimal genuine care for her. I just hope Charlie can eventually realize this before she's in too deep.
Alastor being manipulative, sinister and very much still a murderous cannibal has never left my mind, no matter how charming and intellectual he comes off.
But I generally enjoy Villain characters and the potentials they have. The Shadow Man from "Princess and the Frog" is a good example, his plans deplorable and yet his style and way are great.
Charlie is so naïve and trusting that it's frustrating, especially since she grew up in hell. So if she finally wakes up through Alastor after a betrayal scene, so be it.
- I wouldn't mind however seeing Alastors character explored. He will never genuinely be kind and belong in the group, but he might turn somewhat neutral. Who knows.
That one comic that Viv posted about him is showing him being evil, but charming & polite, even protecting a lady from someone.
So Alastor has potential and villain energy, and I'm here for it.
i just noticed that in the pilot, Alastor's voice was normal whenever he wasn't near his staff/microphone. and if you compare their singing, in the pilot, his voice was normal the entire time, while is Hells Greatest Dad, his voice is the radio effect the entire time, even though he doesn't have his microphone
Edit: this has been debunked. Vivzie confirmed that the radio effect is something that he controls. While that may have been added once S1 released and wasn't around in the pilot, that's why.
I think we all know Alastor is using her, but we love the character so we just want to believe the best about him, specially someone this close to the protagonist.
He's becoming a mentor figure to her, which can be both bad or good. Bad, because he can manipulate her into becoming someone else and his pawn to whatever are his plans, or good, because Alastor is the only person there that can turn her into a real leader, everyone else just don't know how to convince her to do things in a efficient way (like Vaggie with that "aggressive kindness" stuff), or get her in a defensive position where she won't listen, Alastor is the one with a middle ground, he can say what she needs to hear, not what she wants to, in a way she's going to listen instead of getting defensive.
I'm really expecting to seee the table turning because Alastor did his job so well Charlie became someone not even him can manipulate easily anymore, witch is possible, because his plans clearly include her becoming more powerful, manipulative, confident and so on, and I don't think she will be that naive at this point.
I just wanna say thank you for making this. Some people may not realize when he's being manipulative even though they know there's something fishy going on with him.
Did anyone else notice how the room suddenly changed to red the minute Alastor smiled at 5:54? It's like his manipulation is ready to take hold of Charlie along with thinking, "Deal time!"
It’s amazing that Alastor looks like the literal embodiment of SUS (his expressions, omg) and yet he still manages to be so charming that even the viewers, who should know better, start to buy his schmoozing.
I love Alastor, he is my favorite character, and I do think he has filled a sort of paternal/mentor. But the reason he’s such a great character is how layered he is. We have no idea what his long game is, or even much of his short game. The fact that he regularly talks ppl out of their souls should give us an idea of just how slick he is, though.
Personally, I think he’s going to wind up being a big villain- one of those incredibly satisfying ones, bc we’ll actually care about him and his motivations.
7:59 Glad I wasn't the only that noticed that double meaning. Alastor could "guide" Charlie to her full potential, for better or worse.
Also, a detail I noticed is that Alastor doesn't have a full solo or an "I Want" song. When the characters have their solos, like Charlie or Angel, they sing about their passions, dreams, or miseries. While Alastor only sings in a duet in the series, not counting the pilot in this case, and most of his lyrics are too vague on his true intentions.
His part in the finale song kinda gives more about his intentions
@@frootloopthechatot9766 Yeah, a little bit. The “constraints of my deal” and “guess who will be pulling all the strings” was still pretty vague though.
it stung a little when he said "your" little band of misfits instead of including himself in it 😢
Even though obviously he sees himself as the puppeteer of the group it did actually sting.
He absolutely told on himself here. He might consider the group entertainment to which he might become accustomed, but he definitely sees himself as outside of/above it.
There are two people that can keep Charlie from doing incredibly dumb crap and Alastor goes out of his way to annoy both of them.
They’re also both short as hell.
Lucifer and Vaggie?
@@frootloopthechatot9766 yup
I remember in pilot Vaggie gave Charlie really good advice before doing multiple things, such as trusting, greeting, and befriending Alastor.
But Charlie never listened
When Alastor said "Oh calm down she still owns her soul" during the part where they made a deal
Alastor sounded annoyed that she still owned her soul like he wanted to take her soul but couldn't
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6:51 dude I can't help with the look on his eyes! It looks like his eyes r literally saying
"👹HURRY UP AND MAKE A DEAL WITH ME B***H!👹"
Like he desperately needed ways to get what he wants like freedom.
Remember how Alastor talked about "pulling in a few favours" in the pilot? Yea... Charlie is pretty much in the same position as Nifty and Husker now.
Although I do think Charlie has accidentally given herself one ace up her sleeve when making the deal: She can't harm anyone when doing the "favour".
Unless he says something like *You* won’t have to hurt anyone, but *I can!*
@@PeachBoba1523 oh shit
2:56-2:58 The one person Alastor might actually care about and it isn’t Charlie.
And in the ending even Vaggie is happy to see Alastor back despite her previously being worried about his deal with Charlie.
Сама Вивьен сообщила, что Ниффти- возможно, пока единственная, кто правда нравится Аластору. Это очень мило❤
I find that a bit odd considering how he’s been getting on her nerves since the pilot - perhaps she really bought the “self sacrifice” story? Perhaps she is really starting to believe the “anyone can change” line Charlie keeps clinging to?
I don’t know what to make of that - but I know Husk wasn’t terribly thrilled to see Alastor again, and he knows things that the rest of us aren’t privy to…
I noticed that when Alastor is in Charlie's room his face gets darker(even without mentioning a deal-making)
From 2:54 to 3:20 : At difference of Charlie and Lucifer, Alastor doesn't show his true colors. Literally.
Good catch there - perhaps the artist is trying to tell us something here…
Of course Al is manipulating Charlie THIS easily, desperation makes you easy prey. And Charlie is as desperate to save her sinners as Jared Leto is for a box office win.
I really hope they dont change alastor to actually care about them, love the idea that he's just 100% in it for himself, manipulating everyone and what not. Hate to see him become some sort of actual good guy and a hero or something
Same same the way the fandom so desperately wants him to become a good guy and part of the team only makes me want him to be the BBEG more.
This World is in desperate need of more "I like to be evil" villains.
@@nameunknown6453 fr, i'm actually pretty anxious now, i really don't want him to turn into a loveable good guy xd
@@Kobe_Bryant_real Alastor needs to be the Jack Horner ( From bots and puss 2) in this séries.
@@Kobe_Bryant_real if they pull a “he was just misunderstood, he’s actually a good guy” with this character I’m not watching this show anymore. I am here to see Alastor be a menace not the fandom’s little bbygurl.
Fun fact that is recently making its way there fan sites, The outfit he puts Vaggie in is the same outfit the cannibal Susan wears.
Both in the pilot and then during the filming of the commercial
He's not a fan of Vaggie ? Not surprising since Vaggie would wreck his plans. Though, I wouldn't say completely like Susan. Susan is the worst.
I noticed that too - I interpret the “Susan costume” as a form of mockery as he sees her as the perpetual naysayer in the hotel that tries to shut down his plans. Which is probably why he simply shoved her out of the way (in the pilot) and pesters her into making a deal with him in the first seasonal episode (to gain a bit of leverage with her - it will be easier to convince her to do other bargains with him later, which he can use like chains to bind her…).
It is nice to see a rational minded video in the middle of all the ✨UwU serial killer✨ type of videos
One dead-giveway about Alastor putting his own intrests first (aside from him literally stating that he's here just to watch people fail at achieving something, twice) is the fact that he went MONTHS without telling Charlie about a felled angel.
He waited for the moment when Charlie was at her lowest, would be willing to harm angels and she didn't have any time to search for another source of the info (such as Frank the Eggboi)
Even though the only thing he had to say was "Carmilla killed an angel", the circumstances made the "those big, scary angels are not quite as indestructible as they seem" priceless to Charlie and she was ready to accept the deal rather than go downstairs/outside and ask around for the info.
Technically speaking, if Alastor did take Charlie's soul, he would probably be the first sinner to own the closes thing to an angel. Technically
The more I see people talk about how they want him to get a redemption arc and become real friends with the team the more I want Alastor to do exactly that…and then betray the group in the worst knife twisting way ever so the people with no media literacy can finally see this man the way I do.
Bro's so charismatic, that he manipulated the audience.
I really do gotta commend the writers for Alastor's character. Just like Charlie, we want to see the good in him so badly that we sometimes fail to notice some of his red flags.
I mean, for crying out loud, I don't think I've seen anyone ever mention the fact that his reasoning for wanting to help is a blatant lie (he claims he wants to watch sinners try to better themselves only to fail, but he's rarely ever around whenever there's some sort of group activity).
I do think that Alastor might have low affective empathy, and he's caught off guard by how the hotel and its residents are actually starting to grow on him.
I didn’t even think about that first part :0
1:21 “Oh calm down. She still owns her soul🙄” 😂
With the theory that Alastor might have made a deal with Lilith, who now holds his "leash" (either she owns his soul or has some other kind of control over him), I think it's also very possible that Alastor's protectiveness of the hotel and Charlie actually stems from a deal with Lilith. Assuming Lilith is the one who's controlling things with Alastor, maybe she wanted to protect or assist her daughter, and sent Alastor to do so since she's in Heaven. When Alastor tells Mimzy that she brought danger to the hotel and he "can't have that", I got the feeling that he was being very literal and said so because he has been ordered to help Charlie with the hotel.
HOOO imagine the drama that could come out of a possible betrayal though-
Bro managed to fool a good chunk of the Fandom after Dad Beat Dad but not me still my favorite character tho
Calling it right now: When Alastor comes to collect on his part of the deal, it'll be something that weakens her allies and separates her from them. This man is going to try and make Charlie break bad, and once he's corrupted her and has everything he wants he'll bounce, leaving her depressed... and in need of the hotel.
Or, alternatively, he calls in that favor to strengthen himself in some way - perhaps asking Charlie to give him a portion of her own power, which she might just part with without much hesitation as she doesn’t like being authoritative anyway (perhaps seeing this as empowering a servant to act on her behalf) - and he might even use that favor to benefit Charlie for a time! But then he uses the trust garnered from his “responsible use” of that power to make more bargains for more power: slowly but surely sucking poor Charlie dry as she becomes more and more reliant on Alastor to be a faithful executor of her will - until he finally plays his hand and betrays her.
@@wilberwhateley7569 that’s… I gotta hand it to you, that’s a damn good theory. It makes sense, especially if we assume Alastor’s contracted to Lilith: He absorbs her power to break his contract and then runs amok. But as plausible as this is, I kinda want Charlie to be corrupted. That way, she’ll need the hotel and discover along the way just how hard rehabilitating yourself is, thus she’ll understand why Sinners don’t want to do it. It’ll be a real growth opportunity for her.
@@tivednagol9127 I understand, but I get the sense that she’s being set up as a sort of savior figure (perhaps akin to Christ - complete with an act of self sacrifice) and that she will be put in a situation where she *must* lay down her own life for the sake of the sinners: in a situation akin to one outlined above, it’s plausible that the only way out of the series of bargains that she made with Alastor involves doing something that puts her life at risk - forcing her to ask just how much she really values the redemption of sinners (especially the likes of Valentino…) and question the path that she has taken up to that point. Has it all been worth it? Or has she just been spinning her wheels the whole time?
This path allows for character development too - but of a different sort: one that asks just what it really takes to be a messianic figure and the implications of becoming one…
@@wilberwhateley7569 I don’t know if the show will go down that road. Charlie’s nice and all, but I don’t think the show wants us to see her as a savior figure. That’s not her goal.
I also disagree about the character development angle. I think Charlie being corrupted, needing the hotel, discovering how hard redemption is and understanding Sinners more (let’s call that Plot A; yours can be Plot B) is 1) more grounded and more likely to resonate with viewers, and 2) feels more like what Charlie needs to go through as a character. Right now, she has no idea how to rehabilitate Sinners, and her methods are sometimes condescending (see her song in the pilot and her behaving like a kindergarten teacher in the first few episodes). She needs to understand what actual criminal rehabilitation looks like and how hard it is for people to change. That way she can become better at reaching people.
@@tivednagol9127 I understand where you are coming from and your “Plot A” addresses the question of *how* to redeem sinners while my “Plot B” is meant to be a backdrop against which the question of *why* sinners should be redeemed unfolds.
Two directions to pose answers for two different questions - I look forward to next season to see which question takes priority…
Lol I saw someone say when Al put his hand on her shoulder her dad def thought they were dating 😭😭
Charlastor is an abomination
To be fair, manipulation is a very fatherly trait.
oof
"How come he can have faith in me but my own father can't?"
He doesn't. He's gotten a little attached, but he doesn't have faith in Charlie. He finds her endearing, sure, but he has every expectation that her plans will fail, just like Lucifer does. The only difference between Alastor and Lucifer, in that regard, is which one WANTS that failure to happen. Lucifer expects the redemption project to fail, but he isn't hoping for it. He's trying to warn Charlie, while Alastor is trying to set her up.
He’s very handsy with Charlie: putting his hand on her shoulder, dancing with her, putting his arm around her, touching her face and hair during Hell’s Greatest Dad (and a couple other times as well!). surprised no one has pointed this out yet.
I really REALLYY want Alastor to betray Charlie in the future! Whether it’s in a small or big way, I feel like she needs to see who he really is and what his true motives are. ^^
Also, I like chaos lol
7:59 as much as I️ love the guy this does seem pretty sus
For me, Alastor is like a combination of the Cheshire Cat, Ursula and Dr Facilier. But I know Viv said Dexter was a strong inspiration too. He ultimately serves a purpose in Charlie’s development, including those times where she needs to be less naive and not take shit.
Is he manipulating her for his own purposes? Absolutely. His exact intentions won’t be revealed until later but I do think Charlie benefits from his influence in some small ways. Vaggie is the caretaker in their relationship but she doesn’t always tell Charlie what she NEEDS to hear, which Alastor doesn’t hesitate to do.
Done right, I think he can come to terms with the duality of being the all-feared radio demon but protecting those he can imagine caring for. I think his conversation with Niffty was quite genuine about the hotel group.
He’s certainly not going to be redeemed in the going to Heaven sense but it would be good if we saw growth in that he’s not the big bad later on.
lol ursula
Vaggie:dont let him in!
*lets him in*
Vaggie:don’t make a deal with him
*makes a deal with him*
Vaggie:bru
How much you want to bet that one of the first priorities on his agenda in the next season will be getting Vaggie out of the picture without implicating himself? Remember: Lute is still out there craving revenge and Heaven’s social order is in the verge of upheaval - perhaps she might be willing to make a deal to get another shot at a certain former exorcist she now wishes she killed years earlier?
That’s why I like him so much! I’m the kind of person who thinks the best kind of villains are the ones who DON’T think they’re heroes. Heartless, manipulative, good at being evil, and have fun doing it. Alastor does all of that, and does it like a pro! It’s characters like him I’m oh so curious to see how far they can successfully go with their plans. The funny thing is I don’t think he’s really lied, just hasn’t been entirely honest. A lie of omission more. But clearly what he calls ‘an itty bitty favor’ is more obviously an act of servitude.
Oh, he is 100% manipulating her and will definitely become a villain later on, “Hell’s Greatest Dad” was simply about messing with Lucifer.
Still, I do believe he cares for the hotel. He just happens to care about himself more.
Also, as someone already pointed out, while Charlie is naive, she is not dumb. Her accepting Alastor’s help and making that deal has a lot to do with feeling desperate.
*Alastor basically:* _"You can call me 'daddy'"_
*Charlie:* _Yeeeeeeah, Let me think about that..."_
I really hope he doesn’t turn good or become part of the group at the end.
I’m shocked about the fact that in the end vaggie (I forgot how to spell her name) is happy to see A
lastor
That deal was straight from Needful Things. Small favors add up to big consequences
The moment Charlie said “Invincible” it was ggs. Alastor knew the game and he played out of his god damn mind
👏P👏R👏E👏A👏C👏H👏
Finnaly someone else who aknowledges it! Like, i understand loving him as a character, hes fun! But open your eyes man, he's litterally grooming her! He is not a good person! And that's okay! Ehat happened to loving villians? We dont need to sanatize their villinay to make them more palatable, it sucks that people think that way.
During Alastor's reprise in pilot, I noticed that Vaggie tried to talk to Charlie multiple times, but Charlie was too busy being manipulated by Alastor and whenever Vaggie was about to say something to Charlie about Alastor, Alastor would just pull her away. So then eventually he started hating Vaggie because Vaggie does not respect him and because she knew that their was something evil about him.
Alastor usually is very cunning and cold, but he can be such a spiteful dickhead. He never had the father-theme until the very moment Charlie's actual father showed up. Sometimes he does things for his schemes, and sometimes he just wants to piss people off.
Why was Charlie’s face in pilot so jiggly and wiggly and stretchy😭😭😭😭
finally i see someone who thinks the same way as me 😅 i have such mixed feelings about this man. i want to like him, and it's not that i don't, but i also don't trust him 💀
It honestly blows my mind that there are people who think that Alastor's "affection" for Charlie is genuine. She's a means to an end for him, something to exploit for his own gain. There may be a shred of genuine caring in the scene where he is talking to Nifty in the season finale, but even then he speaks about them in a way that implies they are nothing but tools for his own amusement.
Manipulation aside, can we note that Alastor actually knows how to model what being a supportive parent looks like?
That's cuz he's a mamas boy. His mother did bro right
@@dragonicarts12 that she did.
@@dragonicarts12 then how did bro end up in hell?
@@theshadowhunterknight because he was a serial killer?
He's evil. He's one of the most terrifying beings there... but still my favorite character 😂
Despite him being like this, he’s reasonable. It could be worse, and Charlie could easily take him anyway
'How the turn tables'
How the *tables turned* or have turned
Why do I feel like at one point Lucifer himself will have to intervene? 😅 he probably will at one point.
It’s such a minor thing it probably means nothing but in the pilot when Vaggie says that Alastor can’t be redeemed 0:50 makes me think she knows what it takes to achieve redemption, or at least have an idea of what it takes
Sincerely, since a looong time ago I have no idea what manipulation is. I mean, people usually say it is something bad or shady. But often I see people mean it like someone is merely trying to get someone else to do something. I find nothing that takes literally whatever interaction apart from manipulation. For me at this point it is further than "the line is blurry", it is "there's no line at all".
I swear he genuinely had everything (except him losing ) planned from the moment he gained the knowledge that the angels were coming to attack the hotel (or when he got the knowledge angels can die to angelic weaponry, whichever came first)
Finally someone made a compilation like this!
Idc alastor is still hot
lol
Wait, fatherly relationships AREN’T 90% manipulation? Aaaaaahhh…you had a healthy one. I see
He doesn't act fatherly tho.
As someone who kind Charlie- I’d probably fall for it-
THANK YOU!!!
People seems to really forget that Alastor is an evil manipulator who doesn't care about Charlie and just uses her as a pawn in his plan. Al is supposed to be irredeemably evil, like Adam and Valentino. Alastor is a manipulative sociopath, Adam is a narcissistic a22hole and Valentino is...yk Valentino.
You know what I just realized, all the pictures of Charlie’s family are gone once he moved in to help with the hotel. He replaced them with drawn pictures. I feel like he did that purposely to draw him and Charlie closer together and to try and cut out Lucifer and any influence he could’ve had on her. Now that I think about it, it makes sense as to why he was so pissed when Lucifer showed up. All that work trying to drag Charlie away from her dad just for him to show up. And I realized why he was so insistent about showing Lucifer around the hotel with Charlie. He was prolly worried that Lucifer would try to convince Charlie that he’s not good for her while he wasn’t around.
2:18 charlie morningstar why you said without alastor in front of lucifer morningstar and alastor and lucifer morningstar already starts dislikes each other.
7:32 the way Alastor pats Charlie is so cute 😭😭
That’s my problem with Alastor, I know I shouldn’t trust him but I want to! Mostly because I have a thing for characters with tortured souls who, eventually in his case, strive for redemption. I have a feeling that given Charlie’s MO, he may still be redeemed, even if he’ll be the last character of the group to find such redemption.
6:15 oh how the turn tables!
Me: Lawl, I say that to my friends
0:51 char char listen to ur gf
I'm glad someone other than me caught on to Alastor manipulating Charlie. My guess is that he's going to use that favour on something that Charlie will think is small and innocuous, but will actually get the ball rolling for much bigger things. Between that and him trying to, bit by bit, make it so that she trusts him more than anyone else, I can't wait to see if it plays out like that because there are few characters I find more compelling than him.
@furioussherman7265 Same tbh. I hope his manipulations are leading up to something and that they don't chicken out and say he isn't being manipulative.
The title: alastor manipulating charlie for 8 minutes and 5 seconds
Me for no reason: THATS 8 MINUTES AND 6 SECONDS!!
When vaggie said ''it's ok'' she sounded like a high school girl
Alastor is like T-800 and Charlie is like JC
ok but he is father material, i want him as my dad.
Sugar daddy?
@@emmaanahiandrade340 i am a lesbian who just wants a dad jesus fucking christ
@@emmaanahiandrade340bro wtf
@@vote4ladybird_1I’m sorry, please stay strong.
@@vote4ladybird_1 do you have a mom?
I feel that Al will use his deal with Charlie to hurt Luci. That’s my fear 🥲
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Tbh the reason she made the dead was for her people 😮
True but .. he's cute :]
The animation in the pilot is fucking atrocious why do I not remember it well
I ship them ,their dynamic is so interesting ,alastor only manipulates Charlie but at same time there is something