To address the elephant in the room: This video was being made before both my friend Korr's as well as BlackPanthaa's video on this subject went up. I'll address both videos in this comment: Korr's video was pretty good but the video went over a very narrow scope of the situation (It's mainly about NFS Unbound and not the 5-year-long issue with non-Japanese racing games), used the licensing cost issue as a more definitive statement than it actually is, and stated that "Toyota has come back to every other racing game" which couldn't be further from the truth. Toyota has only come back to Forza, which is an exception. There's just so little racing games to go around right now that it looks like there non-Japanese racing games rule has changed just because they're in Forza, which is... the main open world racing game at the moment. Theo's video was a little all over the place, and I get a lot of his points - but he was mainly applying licensing rules that go for every car manufactuer to Toyota while ignoring the very specific issues that have plagued this Toyota issue for the past five years. I also figured no one else wanted to over the history of the issue with the Kotaku article, and those are the reasons why I decided to finish this video and upload it.
Glad you explained it & debunked the street racing theory. If Toyota is against street racing, they wouldn't be in Initial D Arcade Stage Zero, Wangan Midnight Maximum Tune 6RR, or Fast & Furious Crossroads.
I've seen a lot of people throw around the idea that Polyphony has some exclusivity deal with Toyota. I highly doubt that for two reasons: 1) Toyota probably would've come out and said it long ago if that were the case 2) Toyota cars exist in Forza and Project CARS
With The Crew Motorfest having Supras (both the A80 and A90), this pretty much leaves NFS as the odd one out. I feel that at this point, NFS could've gotten Toyota license but EA chose not to since sales of the games weren't affected significantly and they could cut down development cost.
At the same year Toyota disappeared from Need For Speed which is 2017, I saw a mobile racing game titled "The Street King" that had Toyota models (They have the models but the names of the models are entirely fictional). The models there were the 1994 Supra A80, 2020 GR Supra, 1983 Sprinter Trueno, 1983 Corolla Levin, and the 2013 GT86. Fictional names: 1994 Supra A80 - Tourer 2020 GR Supra - Tourer 1983 Sprinter Trueno - OVR-8 1983 Corolla Levin - OVR-6 2013 GT86 - t8
@@JaNieWie I wasn’t referring to the whole franchise, what “Latest” means is something that comes out at a recent date. If you grasp what I said properly, I was only talking about NFS Unbound, clearly never said that it won’t appear in the whole Need For Speed franchise anymore. 🙄
I can't think any other content creator adressing this whole situation better than you do and people should know more about it. It really bugs the shit out of me seeing Ferrari the most restrictive of the bunch in so many other racing games. Open World, Closed Track, Mobile.. whatever. While Toyota is being completely stupid through for all these years since they stayed absent from racing games except Gran Turismo. The thing about favoritism and street racing on japanese releases completely falls flat when they came back to Forza Horizon. I'll be real. The Supra would be absolutely nothing if they didn't were invested on the motorsport scene and pop culture. I hope they change this intolerant mentality about racing games don't give profit and let people at least enjoy these cars in videogames. it certainly does a hell of a difference for both markets.
i think with forza, the forza devs couldn't strike a deal with toyota for fm7 and fh4. however, i think the relationship has been restored as new to forza toyotas e.g the last celica was added post launch and new supra and there are some crazy customisation parts for toyotas. however some bias is still given to Japanese game devs e.g. the Toyota gr yaris hasn't come to forza and its been like 2 years since it came out while it was a launch car for gt7
I think the issue lies with EA, as they're not really the type of company you would like to be associated with. That explains why Toyota and Lexus are absent from NFS, and other brands could do the same. Audi already left the franchise, so it can just go on from there. But until the story comes out (Something I'm VERY doubtful will even happen), we'll never know
Mobile games rack up money FH5 can't even dream of. So it's well withing the realm of possibility they're able to pay enormous licensing fee for Toyota cars.
Mobile games don’t have the budget behind them that FH5 or any similar AAA racing game does. They make the money, but they don’t put it back into the game.
An interesting topic for you to address on your channel would be the issue of damage in racing games. Why nowadays we don't have so much damage in games?
I feel like the reason is obvious here - BUT the topic is interesting, and there could be a discussion on how some games nowadays have a lot more damage than others (say GRID Legends than Gran Turismo 7)
A Toyota GR Yaris Rally1 HYBRID is featured in EA Sports WRC, so there is no evidence of Toyota not wanting to work with Electronic Arts anymore. I think that the real reason why Toyota wasn't added to NFS Unbound is that Electronic Arts and Criterion Games wanted to sideline certain Toyota cars like a Toyota Supra due to how overrated certain Toyota cars were.
Honda didn't want their cars in games featuring police chases back then. I see it as a bad decision since Hondas were pretty much the most common suspect vehicles in the US at the time. It stayed like that until NFS 2015.
maybe because toyota car licensing is costlier than other and they probably don’t need more ads for their “outdated” cars and want to forcus on the family style cars and don’t want ppl to think that toyota make other types of cars apart from utilities and family styles of cars to squeeze as much money from the normal consumers as possible that what im thinking but i don’t think it the case but maybe
Let's be honest: Aside from the Celicas, Supras, MR's and Corollas from the 80s and 90s, what other sports cars does Toyota have? The BRZ clone? The BMW with a Toyota badge on it?
I imagine Toyota probably charges western developers large fees for licensing and then charge Japanese developers at a discount. As a result, it comes down to which western developers want to throw down all the money for one manufacturer.
Honestly, i dont think its the situation but given we dont really know. I wouldnt be surprised if illegal street racing can have a factor, if it does its most likely a small one. But i wouldnt be surprised if there is a tiny bit of sense in that
"toyota being lenient with mobile games" then NFS is also left out in that place as well, its been 7 years since NFS no limits is out and we never got another toyota after the AE86
Good point, I didn't think about No Limits. The only thing I can think of is maybe they don't want to be in No Limits because they refuse to be in mainline NFS - but I have no idea.
@@TheJakeMG it took this much years for them to finally convince ferrari for customisation but we only got their official paint line up thats it that is in no limits btw
@@Evdafawth meanwhile CSR2, has tons of toyota in game from the start and has been getting some more time by time i was a veteran back in 2018 and now i came back, it has shit ton of care, way more than forza
I don't understand that if Toyota doesn't want to be in NFS, why force them? Are other car manufacturers dead? Are they bad? Audi, BMW, Porsche, Lamborghini, Nissan, Dodge etc are better in terms of sports cars. The only good Toyota sports car was the MR2 and Chaser. Thats it. Supra and AE86 don't keep a special factor and none of their cars feel special like in a CORVETTE.
I think another reason why is that the new Mk.5 Supra was ridiculed for being another BMW Z4. So Toyota pulled their license out of non-Japan based game publishers/devs because in fears that no one would be interested in their new models. Toyota were the ones with cold feet in this situation.
@@TheJakeMG I think toyota is now using same argument as honda in early 2000s. They will allow to use their cars in video games, but without police pursuits. Maybe it explains why they didnt come to NFS Heat after Payback, yet in same year Playground Games managed to convince them, because forza doesnt have cops like NFS.
@@TheJakeMG i think Ubisoft dont care about Toyota, as they were not in The Crew 1 either, which was published in 2014, when Toyota was still ok with their license. But weird thing is, that The Crew 2 managed to license SLR Mclaren, which had license problems, after Mercedes had beef with Mclaren.
@@michazmuda1477 That was the case in The Crew 1, but The Crew 2 has added much, much more Japanese cars and I imagine they would pay up to add the Supra.
To address the elephant in the room:
This video was being made before both my friend Korr's as well as BlackPanthaa's video on this subject went up. I'll address both videos in this comment:
Korr's video was pretty good but the video went over a very narrow scope of the situation (It's mainly about NFS Unbound and not the 5-year-long issue with non-Japanese racing games), used the licensing cost issue as a more definitive statement than it actually is, and stated that "Toyota has come back to every other racing game" which couldn't be further from the truth. Toyota has only come back to Forza, which is an exception. There's just so little racing games to go around right now that it looks like there non-Japanese racing games rule has changed just because they're in Forza, which is... the main open world racing game at the moment.
Theo's video was a little all over the place, and I get a lot of his points - but he was mainly applying licensing rules that go for every car manufactuer to Toyota while ignoring the very specific issues that have plagued this Toyota issue for the past five years.
I also figured no one else wanted to over the history of the issue with the Kotaku article, and those are the reasons why I decided to finish this video and upload it.
Toyota has basically become what Ferrari was back in 2003-2012 having been absent in Need for Speed and other street racing games.
Yep, until Ferrari gets a head start in NFS rivals
Ferrari was present in Test Drive Unlimited and Unlimited 2 which had cops.
Ferrari also had a problem with the damage models I also heard about form somewhere. They didn't like seeing their cars wrecked on screen.
@@Victor_2000s because to be fair, it's a racing game that based its identity on the lifestyle of owning these cars.
@@donnycorn3086 But still had cop chases envolving driving the cars at high speed.
Glad you explained it & debunked the street racing theory. If Toyota is against street racing, they wouldn't be in Initial D Arcade Stage Zero, Wangan Midnight Maximum Tune 6RR, or Fast & Furious Crossroads.
clearly a skill issue from Toyota, smh my head
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I rated your comment excellent for funny
I've seen a lot of people throw around the idea that Polyphony has some exclusivity deal with Toyota.
I highly doubt that for two reasons:
1) Toyota probably would've come out and said it long ago if that were the case
2) Toyota cars exist in Forza and Project CARS
With The Crew Motorfest having Supras (both the A80 and A90), this pretty much leaves NFS as the odd one out. I feel that at this point, NFS could've gotten Toyota license but EA chose not to since sales of the games weren't affected significantly and they could cut down development cost.
@@adlibbed2138 A Tacoma in a non-offroad-exclusive racing game? When was the last time it was in any game, twenty years ago?
I don’t understand why everyone overlooks the Mr2s man 😢
At the same year Toyota disappeared from Need For Speed which is 2017, I saw a mobile racing game titled "The Street King" that had Toyota models (They have the models but the names of the models are entirely fictional). The models there were the 1994 Supra A80, 2020 GR Supra, 1983 Sprinter Trueno, 1983 Corolla Levin, and the 2013 GT86.
Fictional names:
1994 Supra A80 - Tourer
2020 GR Supra - Tourer
1983 Sprinter Trueno - OVR-8
1983 Corolla Levin - OVR-6
2013 GT86 - t8
Right now, Audis are not even in the latest Need For Speed game, which is very unfortunate…
😢
I mean, NFS Mobile is going to have Audis, so saying that brand won't appear in NFS is false.
I mean, RS3 Sportback is a literal starter car there.
@@JaNieWie I never specifically mentioned the whole franchise, did I? If you read my comment properly, I mentioned Unbound. 🤦🏾♂️
@@t_q1799 Well, you did. I just wanted to point something related to it out.
@@JaNieWie I wasn’t referring to the whole franchise, what “Latest” means is something that comes out at a recent date. If you grasp what I said properly, I was only talking about NFS Unbound, clearly never said that it won’t appear in the whole Need For Speed franchise anymore. 🙄
I can't think any other content creator adressing this whole situation better than you do and people should know more about it. It really bugs the shit out of me seeing Ferrari the most restrictive of the bunch in so many other racing games. Open World, Closed Track, Mobile.. whatever. While Toyota is being completely stupid through for all these years since they stayed absent from racing games except Gran Turismo. The thing about favoritism and street racing on japanese releases completely falls flat when they came back to Forza Horizon.
I'll be real. The Supra would be absolutely nothing if they didn't were invested on the motorsport scene and pop culture. I hope they change this intolerant mentality about racing games don't give profit and let people at least enjoy these cars in videogames. it certainly does a hell of a difference for both markets.
i think with forza, the forza devs couldn't strike a deal with toyota for fm7 and fh4. however, i think the relationship has been restored as new to forza toyotas e.g the last celica was added post launch and new supra and there are some crazy customisation parts for toyotas. however some bias is still given to Japanese game devs e.g. the Toyota gr yaris hasn't come to forza and its been like 2 years since it came out while it was a launch car for gt7
I think the issue lies with EA, as they're not really the type of company you would like to be associated with. That explains why Toyota and Lexus are absent from NFS, and other brands could do the same. Audi already left the franchise, so it can just go on from there. But until the story comes out (Something I'm VERY doubtful will even happen), we'll never know
Maybe. But a Toyota GR Yaris Rally1 HYBRID has been confirmed in EA Sports WRC.
There's leaked TC:M footage with the Supra, so now NFS is truly the only AAA racing game franchise without Toyota. RIP
Yep. This video aged real badly lol
wtf is TC:M?
Traction Control:Motorsport?
@@jwork5680 the crew motorfest lol
@@blake8675 OHHHH lmao
For real??? 😳
Mobile games rack up money FH5 can't even dream of. So it's well withing the realm of possibility they're able to pay enormous licensing fee for Toyota cars.
Mobile games don’t have the budget behind them that FH5 or any similar AAA racing game does. They make the money, but they don’t put it back into the game.
Well, Gran Turismo has that problem, too, with only the LFA and the ISF disappeared from Gran Turismo.
An interesting topic for you to address on your channel would be the issue of damage in racing games. Why nowadays we don't have so much damage in games?
I feel like the reason is obvious here - BUT the topic is interesting, and there could be a discussion on how some games nowadays have a lot more damage than others (say GRID Legends than Gran Turismo 7)
@@TheJakeMG I don't think Gran Turismo has ever had any damage, actually.🤣
@@TheSultan1470 F1 drivers aren't supposed to crash but they do
I just want a chaser in the game 😢
A Toyota GR Yaris Rally1 HYBRID is featured in EA Sports WRC, so there is no evidence of Toyota not wanting to work with Electronic Arts anymore. I think that the real reason why Toyota wasn't added to NFS Unbound is that Electronic Arts and Criterion Games wanted to sideline certain Toyota cars like a Toyota Supra due to how overrated certain Toyota cars were.
Reminds me of Honda didn't want their cars in some 2000s NFS games. Hope I'm not overthinking...
Honda didn't want their cars in games featuring police chases back then. I see it as a bad decision since Hondas were pretty much the most common suspect vehicles in the US at the time. It stayed like that until NFS 2015.
maybe because toyota car licensing is costlier than other and they probably don’t need more ads for their “outdated” cars and want to forcus on the family style cars and don’t want ppl to think that toyota make other types of cars apart from utilities and family styles of cars to squeeze as much money from the normal consumers as possible that what im thinking but i don’t think it the case but maybe
maybe there's some behind the scene feud with toyota and nfs? like lol
Let's be honest: Aside from the Celicas, Supras, MR's and Corollas from the 80s and 90s, what other sports cars does Toyota have? The BRZ clone? The BMW with a Toyota badge on it?
@@adlibbed2138 They're about as sporty as a Limo...
@@MCPunk55 tbf the gr yaris and corolla are pretty much a modern day lan evo
Gr010 LMH, ts030 lmp1, ts010 group c
@@Rmagid Group C doesn't exist anymore and we're talking street cars, not Prototypes...
@@MCPunk55 OP said sports cars, and toyota is an icon in sports car racing
Sorry but what is the name of that game in 1:07
Street Racing Syndicate
ACC also has no Supra GT4
the crew motorfest (3) will have the toyota supra in the game so maybe its returning to the crew as well????
Yeah, that shocked me. Might have to make a follow-up video.
Cuz they're busy making out with Kazunori and Gran Turismo, having the most OP cars every Manufacturers season. Please someone put an end on this
Forza is not street racing game? really?
Yo nice video
Very epic video (i didn't watch it yet)
Crew 2 / need for speed
I imagine Toyota probably charges western developers large fees for licensing and then charge Japanese developers at a discount. As a result, it comes down to which western developers want to throw down all the money for one manufacturer.
So basically Toyota is xenophobic & racist?
If you really want to go that way, it's closer to nationalism.
Maybe that could be true they charge western devs more money to put their cars
@@adamazriel6110 Xenophobia?
@@rabbidcrazy787 possibly?
If nfs is not an option why tf is forza allowed to have them while there you can even destroy traffic cars and have an 1000hp car
Honestly, i dont think its the situation but given we dont really know. I wouldnt be surprised if illegal street racing can have a factor, if it does its most likely a small one. But i wouldnt be surprised if there is a tiny bit of sense in that
"toyota being lenient with mobile games"
then NFS is also left out in that place as well, its been 7 years since NFS no limits is out and we never got another toyota after the AE86
Good point, I didn't think about No Limits. The only thing I can think of is maybe they don't want to be in No Limits because they refuse to be in mainline NFS - but I have no idea.
@@TheJakeMG it took this much years for them to finally convince ferrari for customisation but we only got their official paint line up thats it
that is in no limits btw
Not only that, Top Drives, a car gachapon game that uses real car statistics to determine race outcomes, has no Toyota either.
@@Evdafawth meanwhile CSR2, has tons of toyota in game from the start and has been getting some more time by time
i was a veteran back in 2018 and now i came back, it has shit ton of care, way more than forza
@@Evdafawth ah that card game? didnt think it would pick up
I don't understand that if Toyota doesn't want to be in NFS, why force them? Are other car manufacturers dead? Are they bad? Audi, BMW, Porsche, Lamborghini, Nissan, Dodge etc are better in terms of sports cars. The only good Toyota sports car was the MR2 and Chaser. Thats it. Supra and AE86 don't keep a special factor and none of their cars feel special like in a CORVETTE.
Never cared if Toyota was in a game or not, trash company with trash vehicles
Ae86, supra, mr2, and gr yaris is not trash.
So reliable that you trash them?
I think another reason why is that the new Mk.5 Supra was ridiculed for being another BMW Z4. So Toyota pulled their license out of non-Japan based game publishers/devs because in fears that no one would be interested in their new models. Toyota were the ones with cold feet in this situation.
I doubt that. Them pulling out of games will make them be made fun of moreso than them being in there.
@@TheJakeMG I think toyota is now using same argument as honda in early 2000s. They will allow to use their cars in video games, but without police pursuits. Maybe it explains why they didnt come to NFS Heat after Payback, yet in same year Playground Games managed to convince them, because forza doesnt have cops like NFS.
Explain their absence in The Crew 2 then?
@@TheJakeMG i think Ubisoft dont care about Toyota, as they were not in The Crew 1 either, which was published in 2014, when Toyota was still ok with their license. But weird thing is, that The Crew 2 managed to license SLR Mclaren, which had license problems, after Mercedes had beef with Mclaren.
@@michazmuda1477 That was the case in The Crew 1, but The Crew 2 has added much, much more Japanese cars and I imagine they would pay up to add the Supra.
I can’t think of a single Toyota id want to drive besides a Supra in a game. I don’t care