Why Kaido (maybe) Was The Strongest
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Kaido with a sword or a good therapist is top 1 all time, he just got bad mental lol, another great zage vid salute
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Wdym Kaido with a sword?
If he used a sword instead of his kanabo since he was connecting so much @@DecimaarZ
nah shanks is probably over kaido.
Nah only if he awakens it s debatable
The fact that Kaido is as fast as Kizaru (example him outblitzing snakeman) and even faster in some instances like when he blitzed Gear 5 something even Kizaru couldn't do while being as physically strong as he is is absurd. I'd argue Wano Kaido was on par with MF WB in terms of strength. Plus his endurance is godlike, he fought for hours while carrying an Island and tanked multiple ACoC attacks while being as burned out as he was for reference one ACoC attack put Kiazru completely down for good. It's only fitting that it took a literal god reincarnated to end his reign of terror. If it wasn't for Luffy I would bet on him to kill everyone including Shanks and Teach.
How can people argue that people like WB are at the same level of physical strength.
It's a dumb take that comes from wanking old gen characters.
Kaidou is a physical monster like big mom, is an oni and has a mythic Zoan.
Whitebeard is just an abnormal human who while strong can get injured by bullets.
Faster than snakeman is not the same as as fast as Kizaru.
Kizaru is undoubtedly the fastest the verse. He'd still lose to Kaido tho😂
@@3dsmaster537 Faster than Gear 5 is faster than Kizaru though, Kaido has multiple attacks that out blitzed Gear 5, Kizaru had 0
@@3dsmaster537nah G thats been confirmed to be lucky roux the fat guy in shanks crew hes so fast his shadow cant keep up
@@darshanneupane4055EXACTLY! Ppl forget Kaido is a fucking giant with a mythical zoan devil fruit which boosts a characters overall physical capabilities. In terms of physical strength, Kaido is deff stronger than Whitebeard (old or prime). He's likely tye strongest physical character in the entire show so far.
Kaido is still strongest among all alive characters even after events in manga. People need to realize it took 17 people before Gear 5 Luffy to defeat him. Oda is clearly telling that Luffy still cant beat him 1vs1.
While Gear 5 Luffy is fighting Kizaru and Saturn, but unable to get finishing blow to them.
Gorosei are tanky, but their attack potency apart from Nusjuro and Mercury is bad.
Kaido's Raime Hakkei is arguably strongest attack in the series, it would 1 shot Kizaru or any admiral.
2nd, 3rd and 4th place is between Akainu, Shanks and Mihawk (not in order).
When you say 17 people before G5 Luffy, do you mean in the battle or through out Kaido's life? Because in the battle I count 15 people (including pre Gear 5 Luffy). Maybe 16 if you include Momosuke's one bite on Kaido.
@@sethjulien1271 luffy, kidd, law, killer, zoro, yamato, ashura, izo, denjiro, kiku, kinemon, kawamtsu, dog, cat, raizo, momonosuke and Big Mom for 3 days. Even if you dont count Momonosuke, both of us are not right
I agree 💪🏿
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The fact that Oden told Kaido to get stronger and it’s stated Kaido did moreorless proves he was not in his prime. As does the fact we do not know his age.
I talk more about that statement in my Zoro vs Oden vid. The Viz translator said that it’s more so words of mockery rather than advice. Kaido also acknowledged that Oden could still do the same scarring feat even to his current day self which implies he was at least relative to his prime.
Oden is the same age as kaido when they fought(39). He was 59 onigashima
Or it simply means that Oden would've still caught on to Kaido assuming that he lived today. Again, Kaido never had access to future sight, drunken techniques, hybrid forms and the flaming bagua when he fought Oden. If anything, ACoC + Gear 4 Luffy is closer to Kaido during Oden's era.
@@zagessjit’s not it’s bc of the sword
@@mstr293Kaido was already an emperor back then. Which means he was already one of the top 4 strongest pirates proficient enough with advanced conquerors to go toe to toe with the strongest pirates in the world at that time. As that’s what it means to be a yonko.
Gear 4 + Acoc got blitzed and stomped by Kizaru, while a MF Whitebeard would arguably do the same to Kizaru as he did with Akainu, and it’s pretty obvious Kaido would take Whitebeard fairly easily.
Oden on the other hand, is probably on par with/weaker than Gear4 + ACOC and only has one ACOC attack in his arsenal, so he’d get low diffed by Kaido or any other yonko level fighter regardless.
If Kizaru is a 10, G4 + Acoc would be a 6, MF Whitebeard would be a 12 and Kaido would probably be a 15.
You didn’t even mention how Luffy is doing the Gorosei and Kizaru dirty on Egghead so far. Speaks even more to Kaido’s title legitimacy
fans are saying that shanks one tap kid and would do kaido the same, whereas in manga kaido mention shanks as someone who could fight to the death with him. Kaido introduction he fell into kid basement by defeating all of them alone. Kid was heavenly injured in a cell in the manga. kaido doesn't one tap anyone because he want to break their will to fight for him.
Are you the strongest because you are kaido, or are you kaido because you are the strongest
Yes
Nah, I'd drink
@@diwakarkumar4890😭😭😭😭😭
if its a 1v1 always bet on kaido, you don’t make the narrator give that speech to anyone
There is a reason kaido holds back for the entire time until the final clash with g4luffy where he kills him,and against gear 5 he adapted and was going toe to toe against it,the plot made him not like shanks who went serious against kid from the start
He was not holding back BUT he was not going all out
@@Jusaguywithbrainso why didn't Kaidou take out his destroyer of death combo on Luffy, ya know the same attack that almost knocked out Luffy out of gear 5 again?
Kaidou was holding back since apparently base form Luffy can fight Kaidou but Kaidou can also easily keep up and wack Gear 5 Luffy around.
And Gears are a major power up for luffy.
@@darshanneupane4055 he didn't knock out gear 5 luffy, he ran out of gas, and that's a fact cuz Kaido landed even stronger attacks after that and luffy took them all,
@@Jusaguywithbrain He was holding back and even take hits on purpose (his suicide nature). Even Luffy last attack - Kaido could simply dodge it and take Win in this fight (as we saw in current arc - Luffy run out of Gear 5 very quickly). Kaido ON PURPOSE took Luffy final attack
Outside of probably Im, I think Pre Timeskip Whitebeard is strongest figure before Marineford.
Post timeskip up to Wano, Kaido is strongest figure.
After wano, it is arguably Luffy.
Kaido>Luffy
kaidos dead@@Biv709
Shanks is stronger than luffy right now, shanks one shotting Kidd is one of the best feat in one piece
@@seanc7990how about when luffy one shotted Kizaru? Hmm thats not greater feat? Full power Kaido is the strongest we’ve seen so far. And now the strongest in the verse rn is Imu or Luffy. Shanks just scared tf out Greenbull and he was clearly outnumbered. Whitebeard was even stated to be the strongest pre Wano and yes, even stronger than Rogers. Shanks was never stated to be the strongest. Stop glazing!
@@johnsofit7514 luffy did not one shot kizaru, he had to chase him around in gear 5 then after he landed WSG kizaru was unable to move but luffy also ran out of stamina. One shot implies no diff, luffy struggled before hitting kizaru and was at his limit.
I’m glad you said it took a literal deity to end kaido because now you just proved one of my personal agendas ! kizaru Aka big boss Borsalino is him ! That stock is still going strong !
I’ll take Kaido over shanks
nah shanks is definitely stronger
Shanks one taps kaido
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By haki feats I think shanks is over kaido.
Always dropping bangers. Bro deserves any more subs
we were introduced to kaido's title after the timeskip (After whitebeard died) so he may not have had his title until whitebeard's death.
Kaido’s title is mention in the Ace Novel when Whitebeard was alive
I think the manga did a good job the emphasize that depite Luffy's many powerups, Kaido was still actually out of his league. Kaido beat Luffy almost 3 times in the same fight surviving only because of the plot armor and several people had to jump in to fight him, wounded him and Kaido still almost came out on top. Luffy stands no chance in a straight 1v1 with no rest breaks.
I dont think Kaidos haki is as strong as Shanks per se, but he suplements that with his inhuman endurance making it feel like if you can't straight up one shot him, he'll eventually win because normal humans can't keep up
I honestly do think oda intends for luffy to be at his strongest especially considering that luffy himself considers g5 his peak and that his main enemies going forward is the wg, whom have all expressed fear over the awakening of g5. However this doesnt take away from any of the future battles since even if hes the strongest all the top teirs should still be able to give him trouble and his time limit really hinders him.
Did you guys notice that there's no marksman in the beast pirates?
Kaido the strongest agenda ❤
Kaido was a Saitama of One Piece 😗
nah that goes to mihawk they have similar personalities they rather have a peace
@@bmoney3837 I love Mihawk too so I don't mind it that much actually.
Strongest Agenda would go to Zoro. Just look at polls between him and Admirals/Gorosei. The delusion is just insane.
@@mstr293No
@@mstr293 ,, he one shots lucci"
Blud on Twitter was like ,, he done more than what luffy did"
I would hope Kaido remaining the strongest maybe other than Imu. Just so that we can get more fun storylines that require more plot elements other than "here's another stronger guy than last time!" trope
Luffy, Zoro, and Jinbei should now be top tiers with none above them maybe equals or just a little better like mihawk.
Here's a couple ideas for him to die. 1. Jump into the sea / 2. Fight Shanks / 3. Attack the 5 gorosei or Imu.
Still wont die
Maybe the sea but even then there's no guarantee 😭😂
1. Sience he tecnically has the fish fruit model dragon we maybe speculate that he can breath under water . But is just a theory . In normal ciruntances he would die.
2. May he would go on a 1 v 1 to shanks. But shanks would? We can argue if kaido and shanks are equals or one is stronger but the companions of shanks are sure stronger than queen king and jack. . So that would lead on a war or kaido getting jumped
3. For what i know the gorosei for all the wolrd are just a bunch of smart tenryiubitos. So for kaido they are just a bunch of dude.
Kaido would literally turn the Gorosei to ashes under mid diff not even joking.
Agreed mostly. I feel Luffy's Haki isn't Superior overall though. We've learned from Luffy himself that Haki drains with extended use, he even started as much while prepping for Katakuri.. the fact that Kaido had been using insane amounts of Regular and Advanced Haki, for as long as he did without rest is insane. Especially compared to the several Haki recovery phases Luffy received throughout the fights. CC Ashura Drained Zoro almost entirely to the point where he couldn't move. Conquerors Coating resulted in Luffy getting KO'd because of his inexperience in using it.. The fact that Kaido was spamming this seemingly taxing ability for hours is ridiculous. Let's also not forget Kaido's Ambient Haki is so strong it completely nullifies Law's ability to teleport him around.. that's something Luffy isn't necessarily putting out by just existing.
So while Luffy's Haki may have been superior in that final moment, I severely doubt it would overcome a Fresh, Full-Power Kaido's Haki. I would say he had been drained considerably at that point.
Haki can run out but its potency has never shown to change as it decreases in quantity.
@@zagessj Luffy directly states that Katakuri's Observation Haki will "weaken" or "Get Weaker" if the fight continues long enough. That gives the impression that the potency decreases linearly.
@@hushsilence8932haki has always went hand in hand with stamina aswell luffy is a prime example of this very notion. Plus it’s the most logical sense of looking at things.
Kaidou also didn’t have to take the attack head on but he eventually chose too, he was already starting to fade, luffy was able to reset his heart, kaidou’s been drinking all day partying, holding up an island, and fighting multiple people.
@@Spartt204 precisely. Haki is exactly a measure of a user's ambition, and their will to fight. This is also why characters who are dealing with mental turmoil wind up being severely weakened. Acting against your will, such as Kizaru on Egghead, will yield the character being weaker than if they were acting upon their Will.
Kaido was prideful in the end, like all conquerors unfortunately. His victory would've certainly been assured if he evaded Bajrang
@@hushsilence8932 not really, luffy could still undo that thing, even if kaido went to kill luffy on flaming mode, what that would have caused is that the battle draws, luffy could still turn into a giant in a second, there was no short way to end that battle without a finisher, and luffy was decided to finish it, kaido could only answer to that
The Kaido that Oden wounded literally didn't have access to his hybrid forms, future sight, drunken techniques and his Flaming Bagua. So I doubt that he's more than 70% as strong as current Kaido. Age isn't the only direct influence a fighter's prime, Luffy managed to get so strong because of the quality of fights he adapted into.
Oden to this day is still considered by Kaido to be among the people that can on a 1v1 agaisnt him till death.
@@MigsCor21 Don't bend his words to upscale Frauden. Kaido only said Oden is strong enough to fight him in a 1v1.
@@SaintEthanbaronNusjuro And what exactly did i say?
@@MigsCor21 "till death"
@@SaintEthanbaronNusjuro Because that is what Kaido considers a proper 1v1... that is how he recognized Luffy.
Didn’t Momo say that the flame clouds have to be manually controlled, and that’s why he was having such a hard time snatching them from Kaido?
And there was even the page that highlighted Onigashima was starting to crumble because Kaido’s clouds were weakened-so they came to the direct conclusion that he’s weakening as well.
Sake does amp him btw it’s stated in magazine 17 so yes he wasn’t at full power
**We’ve seen momo lift the island momentarily and he was so tired he couldn’t move afterwards so no it’s not passive it uses kaido’s stamina **
Kaido showed signs of fatigue in 1010 after attacking zoro and law
My take on Kaido’s world strongest creature title is that to the public he is the strongest creature, but really the Gorosei are the true strongest but since they are so ancient and always in the shadows no one knows.
Facts
gorosei cant be the strongest because dorry and broggy are holding them back, dorry and broggy would never be able to hold kaido back. Luffy also handled Saturn pretty easily but saturn just regenerated the damage, but unlike Kaido, saturn couldn't land any attacks on luffy, literally just got manhandled
i agree with you because kaido was never the world's strongest creature and every time his title was stated it was always "IT IS SAID that he is the world's strongest creature" and also "IT IS SAID in a one on one always bet on kaido but i also wouldn't say the gorosei are the strongest because *spoiler* luffy was taking one of them and kizaru at the same time and is getting jumped by all 5.
@@seanc7990 i dont think the gorosei stronger but dorry and broggy stronger den u think
The gorosei literally fear the existence of kaidou, that’s why they’ve never stepped foot in wano.
Kaidou is legit stronger than any of them by a good margin there is a reason oda hyped up kaidou like no other character during his introduction. The only people above him are Garp/roger(defeated rocks pirates), rocks, prime whitebeard, maybe sengoku and joyboy a bit, the others maybe a stretch too, considering prime whitebeard didn’t wanna run the fade and avenge oden, sengoku is only piggybacking off the Garp hype and the roger statement.
currently Kaidou clears just about everyone besides joyboy, imu and maybe a Blackbeard who’s mastered his fruits and haki in the near future(he’s kinda a hardcounter for anyone)
Kaidou currently still has the best showing aside from anyone named Luffy(Mr gear 5th plot armour) he’s in his own league and the best all around fighter among the yonko’s or any pirate we’ve seen currently
shanks and Mihawk won’t change a thing either, they will always be lacking the crucial durability and endurance regardless of what anyone what’s to believe 😅
The video's nice but i do have some contentions for young Kaido, it's stated when his bounty is revealed that him and Big Mom currently far surpass their younger self and are much stronger now so it's fair to say that the Kaido we saw in onigashima is "in his prime".
The context was compared to their days on the Rocks crew
Blud said "was" 💀💀
Respect my top 1
Kaido’s in a pack unfortunately 😂
@@zagessj HE GOT JUMPED IN LA BY SOME 😺 AHH NGAS
NO ONE GAVE HIM A 1V1 NO ONE GAVE HIM THE RESPECT OF A 1 ON 1.(this is a reference to Xxxtention btw, Im not actually this mad)🤣
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Kaido was called the strongest creature at the same time as whitebeard was called strongest pirate, kaido then was also called strongest Pirate after whitebeards death thats the difference
whitebeard is the strongest man. There is an argument that full power of gura fruit alone could defeat kaido, but if akainu survived it I doubt kaido would have trouble. OLD whitebeard was lacking in all haki sections (it was even stated by marco), but obviously prime whitebeard is probably stronger than kaido but it's closer than you think
@@Kaidou-chan nah i think prime beard mid high diffs
@@Spongedbob-yh7wp whitebeard, roger and shanks are all humans with no devil fruits (at least ones that affect their durability) they are more dodge-oriented in their fighting style. (MANGA SPOILERS AHEAD)
you know how aokiji stabbed through xxxx body at the end of their fight?
well I don't think that thing would even pierce kaido's scales.
whitebeard is lucky he has a devil fruit that will bypass kaido's defenses. Even if he has better haki, kaido's sheer durability is still a problem. high-extreme diff for primebeard.
KAIDO HAS GOTTEN STRONGER OVER HIS LIFE! he is solidified top yonko tier! primebeard has very few feats to scale off!
@@Kaidou-chan them being humans is irrelevant because the stronger their haki get the stronger their dura/ap/endurance/dc gets. Whitebeard doesnt need his devil fruit to Bypass his durabilty if whitebeard has beter haki and you overmastimating the f*ck out of kaidos durabilty luffy didnt have much trouble against his dura after he awakend advenced conquers yeah mid high diff is more accurate
you fail to understand two things - the yonko are relative to roger's level, they are the precipice to pirate king. Roger decided to SNEAK IN big mom's territory for the poneglyph.
I'M NOT SAYING roger would lose to big mom, but he probably decided "this would take too much time" or better yet, "this is too risky".
SECOND THING is that a full health kaido would have beat gear 5 luffy. He literally started beating down on luffy more towards the end of the fight, and when he used bajrang gun he said "I won't dodge". THIS MAN WAS A BEAST!
to remind you of everyone who kaido fought against: 7 scabbards (they are like toilet paper but they could probably take down queen together) 5 supernova, zoro's Ashura: dead man's game (kaido started huffing from this, so he was already starting to get tired that early) luffy's awakened ACoC, yamato, luffy again, LUFFY AGAIN coming back in gear 5. DID YOU NOT NOTICE THE MC GETTING LIKE 3 RECOVERY PERIODS THROUGHOUT THE FIGHT???)
all that is to say that I still agree with you that primebeard beats kaido, but I just think it would happen slightly differently.
id also say Kaido just kept getting up. he the guy who after everything would still get up.... take a gulp.... and then fight. and then he gets temporarily "defeated" and then he does the routine again. he's "no matter how many times you fail, what really matters is how many times you get back up " to an extreme on top of other factors. if he nor you wins in the first half, he will just keep going till you win, he wins, or you both die or another reason.
Check kaido vivre card it is clearly stated that he is the strongest creature.And no kaido's title implies on human as well and for the incongruous with wb's title wb was older than kaido and that is why he got it first and if you want to argue kaido's title is something People believe is not true, although I showed you the clear statement in sbs that he is the strongest creature, then you are wrong since all titles in one piece is according to people opinions as roger title or luffy 5th emperor's title it is not the world government job to distribute titles. Kaido is >wb,roger and garp, but I believe he is inferior to rocks
You misunderstood that section of the vid. I’m not saying Kaido isn’t the Strongest Creature. I agree the title exists and he’s referred to as such by the One Piece populace. The point of that section was to answer what the title actually means in a way that makes it true and consistent. The last interpretation I gave is the position I hold and is the most consistent of the 3 possible interpretations. Kaido is also definitely not stronger than Roger Garp or Whitebeard in their primes.
@@zagessj respect your opinion
A lot of people don’t think kaidos fruit was awakened, personally I think it was due to the clouds themselves and your point of it hindering/not hindering his fighting . Momos clouds disappear almost as soon as he lets go of them while kaidos were chilling there floating the island the entire fight and he didn’t even have to think about it. I think he made the clouds and they were permanent.
False, because of the clouds were permanent, Kaidou wouldn't have been losing stamina.
@@darshanneupane4055 it was never stated anywhere, manga or anime he was loosing stamina from the clouds , only that he was starting to feel the worst gen’s attacks finally
@@mrorganic13 Nah it's implied, if the flame clouds required no stam and only concentration, it wouldn't have wavered at all until Kaidou went down.
But it did waver as Kaidou got more and more exhausted
@@darshanneupane4055kaido could carry the island while in base and not touching the clouds his mere presence caused the clouds to float
I think Kaido respects Oden so much because, he feels like if he was able to live as long as he did, he would be just as strong as he is or maybe stronger. Kaido and Oden were never truly able to go all out. I think Kaido was stronger than Oden but I still think Oden was going to push Kaido to an high-extreme fight and lose. Oden did not get to show off his training with the Roger Pirates and Kaido did not get to show off his full arsenal. Kaido knew well that Oden was a threat so instead of giving him another chance at life and to battle he decided to kill him rather than to constantly watch his back. But Kaido spent most of his days regretting that he killed Oden, a rivalry in which could have existed for many years. If he left Oden a live he would never have Wano and Big Bro WB would have appeared to take him out once he heard news from Oden that Kaido was in Wano.
Kaido shouldn’t respect oden at all jit got taken out by a regular swing from base basic haki kaido
Great video!
There is literally no contradiction, and it's made as clear as it can be... 'On land, air, and see, he's the strongest living being', I don't care if that's what the people think, that's literally what every title is, people thinking that something is true. World's strongest swordsman is clear, of all the people who use a sword as their main weapon, Mohawk is strongest. Strongest Man means of all men, Whiteboard is the strongest, strongest living being/creature on land, air, and sea is even more obvious, I don't know what else Oda could put in. Idgaf about Shanks one shot Kid, that's how the fight was written, it's like people who think Mihawk or the admirals couldn't have one shot Luffy in Marineford, because they didn't do it. Idgaf about Luffy finishing Kaido, he literally stood there and refused to dodge, because Oda made him too strong and didn't know how to defeat him. Flame clouds OBVIOUSLY take effort, because we spent half a chapter on Momo straining himself to pull Onigashima the other way, and just going off common sense it was clearly Oda nerfing Kaido to make him easier to beat. Lol at Kaido being in his prime when he fought Oden, he wasn't even using hybrid, conquerors haki, or anything really, he wasn't even looking at Oden when he ate the paradise Totsuka, I dont get why everyone just glosses over that. It's just weird to me that people can't accept Kaido was just the strongest guy around and make all these weird nitpicks and mental gymnastics.
It's simple, a man's cope will never end.
The simpler fact is that people have biases.
I mean Roger is considered stronger than shanks but shanks has future sight cancellation, Roger never showed that capability.
So Shanks currently is stronger than Roger.
Kaido didn't have the AP to end luffy with just his hybrid form, and even if we tried to dodge bajrang gun with flaming dragon his speed would not be enough to reach luffy before getting smacked, but don't take me wrong, no character can end that luffy without a finisher and even then most top tiers are likely to loose in that case
I still can't put Luffy over Kaido yet, he didn't 1 v 1 him. I would put Luffy, BB, and all 3 original admirals over Big Mom (who is still more durable than everyone on that list except for Kaido), I think they all have more attack power than BM and can put her down but it won't be easy. I still wouldn't put Luffy and BB over Kizaru, Akainu, and Kuzan. I think Oda showed us a small glimspe of what admirals are capable of during egg head and have showed us a little bit of their personal and emotional side. 2/3 were shown emotionally triggered/damaged in which they had to commit to fights/events in which they did not want to be apart of. I think the next time we see Kuzan and Kizaru it will be way more menacing and terrifying, it may be towards the end of the series. Even Akainu seem to have shown emotion and character when dealing with Kuma. I think Kizaru could of had his way on that island if Vegapunk, Sentommaru, and Bonnie was not there. It would have been a more prolonged fight, there would be more casualties to the island. On Pirate Island, I still think Kuzan could have gone to sea and captured Koby and the other marines but felt like acquiring Garp was enough. Off topic but I don't think neither Garp or Kuzan went all out, I don't think Luffy or Kizaru went all out, I don't think BB or Law went all out due to law making a fatal miscalculation. Nor did Zoro or any of the strawhats go all out on the island. Off topic but back to it Kaido, he had all 5 gorosei, imu, WG, and Navy not wanting smoke. Kaido in my eyes is top 3 with Mihawk and Shanks being above him.
I took the time to read all this not once twice how In the hell do you have ziraru over luffy and black beard still ???? Let’s forget bb real quick luff is whooping his ass currently and another character yonko level in strength according to oda himself ? Luffy has far surpassed the admirals
@@SeanEvans-mx1gg I don't think Kizaru wanted to be at egghead in the first place he pulled so many punches. We done watched him hit Luffys key to free ace from miles away and yet he couldn't hit weak strawhats moving slow. Kizaru could spammed lighy beams like he did at Law's ship when they tried to save Luffy but he did none of it. He even chose to shoot Vegapunk with his eyes closed and could have killed Sentommaru with that kick. 😂 To be fair I don't think Luffy or Kizaru is going all out, and I do think Kizaru is awakened. The man literally had Usopp in a chokehold and Luffy didn't realize he was fighting a clone. I do think Luffy and BB are crazy strong, I think they may have more brute and raw strength than all the admirals but I think the original 3 have too much battle experience to lose to them. I think the original 3 can beat Luffy and BB extreme diff or draw. Kizaru has been suffering mentally since he stepped foot on egghead, he was excited to go to Wano and dreads Egghead. Kuzan would have been a whole different menace if he was fighting anyone but he was fighting his mentor. BB was even pleading for his crew not to mess with Kuzan. I think Kuzan is what gives BB the edge to be able to clash with Shanks at the moment. I'm more of a yonko fan than admiral but I do think those 3 (Akainu, Kizaru, and Kuzan are truly built different). I don't see them beating any of the old yonkos in a 1 v 1, and after Big Mom display in Wano I see her losing to all three of them extreme diff. Gear 5 was needed to deal with Kizaru off the bat and he barely did anything (used named attacks nor did he awakened). Even the gorosei expected more from Kizaru. From his power level aspect he could have atleast knocked a few SHs off the map and chose to give them love taps. I still see Luffy and BB as top 10 but on the lower end. Pre time skip I had Big Mom in the like top 5-6, currently in the story I got her at like #11 under Luffy and BB. I think the next time we see Kizaru and Kuzan it's going to be a whole different showcase. I think Oda was teasing us, showing us that minimum this is what is takes be a true top tier and trade blows with a yonko and admiral caliber character. I think if both Luffy and Kizaru truly fought Egghead would be in shambles and if Garp and Kuzan truly fought Pirate Island would be in shambles.
Did u see what happened between Luffy vs Kizaru in egghead bro?
Luffy, BB and Shanks is clearly above Kizaru even Akainu
@@abdu7095 I don't think Luffy or Kizaru went all out. And this is my personal opinion, Luffy can't fight anyone in the verse now but I don't thinking he's winning against anyone in the higher top 10. Luffy did not 1 v 1 Kaido, Kaido went through a lot before he lost, but I respect it Luffy got to his tier. I think if Kaido popped up right now fresh without fighting a million people he would win. I don't think Kizaru, Akainu, and Kuzan are as strong as Kaido, Shanks, Mihawk, and Dragon but they csn fight them. I'd put Luffy, BB, Big Mom and the 3 original admirals all around the same power level. I also don't think any of the 5 gorosei are as strong as the original 3 admirals but one of them may be close. I think Luffy is a animal but I don't see him on Shanks, Mihawk, Dragon, and Kaido level yet as equals or stronger. I do think Luffy will be there very soon, but I do think he can fight anyone at this moment and I think he'd beat BB right now.
@@abdu7095 Even Saturn was questioning what was taken Kizaru so long. Saturn knows Kizaru is the last marine that should be on that mission, I'm a fan of the yonkos more than the admirals but let's look at speculation. The island is barely damaged, Kizaru rarely used a named attack, he lightly kicks Franky and other weaker strawhats, and stalls or misses every easy/clear shot he has to put down a weaker strawhat. I think if Luffy and Kizaru fought serious it would wreck the island. I think the admirals are stronger than what we've seen so far Oda is just showing us them in a vulnerable and wavered state. Thr next time he shows us Kizaru and Kuzan it will be them letting loose. Kizaru put in more effort trying to take out Laws ships getting away from MF than the strawhats trying to escape on egghead. Egghead, a current mission where so much more is on the line (personally for the WG and personally for him as a human being). Kizaru is praying that the strawhats get Vegapunk, Kuma, Sentommaru, and Bonney off the island safe and sound. 😂 That's just what I think. I think Kuzan was glad that the captured marines and slaves were able to get off Pirate Island without major casualties. Garp knows Kuzan can still go after the ship, he knows that trading himself for them will be more than enough to satisfy BB. BB won't kill Garp but he may torture him or trade him. He will try to kill him if it's last resort. Garp knows that if Kuzan goes after those marines he is worse than scum.
I think Kaido's title made sense even back when he was in his rocks days. Kaido is not a man he is an oni, therefore never seen as a human compared to WB who is a human/man. I think Kaido in his prim is the strongest when is comes down to durability/endurance/raw strength similar to how I think WB was in his prime and old age. I don't think Prime Kaido is stronger than Prime WB but it makes sense to me why they have their titles. Its a raw strength and durability feat. For example I think in the past era Roger and Rayleigh were the 1st and 2nd strongest swordsman in the world, meaning they did not have more raw strength/durability than WB but they did have more attack power making them stronger than WB but still not having the title of strongest man. I think in today's era Mihawk and Shanks have more attack power than Kaido making them stronger than and the 1st and 2nd strongest swordsman in the world but they don't have the strongest man or creature title because they don't surpass someone like Kaido in raw strength and durability. I always thought WB was more durable and had more raw strength than Roger and Ray but they have him beat in attack power, haki, and skill. I think Kaido is more durable and has more raw strength than Mihawk and Shanks but they surpass Kaido in attack power, haki and skill. People like WB, Kaido, and Big Mom are most likely to eat and try to tank attacks while someone like Xebex, Roger, Rayleigh, Garp, Sengoku, Shiki, Scoppber, Mihawk, Shanks, and Admirals are most likely to dodge, deflect, and pary attacks due to themselves knowing that they aren't tanks.
Fire video bro
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Kaido lost due to plot
yup everyone deep down knows it, his introduction alone and feats say he's HIM
Kaido> Primebeard tbh
Honestly looks to be the case it’s a bit hard to disprove of it either
Cause whitebeard didn’t want smoke with kaidou to avenge oden, kaidou’s endurance and durability will be massive problems. When kaidou finally joined the rocks pirates aswell that’s when they became the ultimate crew, his whole entire bounty and name was earned based off strength alone and wrecking havoc.
His title also sorta puts him above whitebeard too, but oda made an error at marineford basically saying that whitebeard was the strongest pirate but when we seen both it’s quite clear that kaidou is superior in damn near every way besides maybe the df but that’s still a maybe cause his shits broken as all hell too 😅
@@Spartt204 my thing is Whitebeard legitimately didn’t give a shit about casualties when going to Marineford. Bro was ready to sacrifice his crew for the sake of ace and anyone involved (I know that’s not his PLAN but he’s WILLING to jeopardize their lives for it, where as with oden yeah he legitimately didn’t even bother. Considering Kaido respect his strength I’d wager Kaido would take the fight into onigashima. Where there’s literally no civilians)
@@Spartt204 I also go agree with the Light novel interpretation of whitebeard being the strongest in legend as he has been inactive for well over 20 years. Whitebeard in lore has done the most as a pirate . And while Kaido respects Roger it doesn’t mean Roger was superior. We have cases like Roger dodging big mom, not to mention we know that Whitebeard was the strongest during my Roger’s era, meaning that it wasn’t about strength but accolades as a pirate
Primebeard would low-mid diff Kaido
@@IamThedisgracedone didn’t want the smoke from him after a beloved brother was packed up and his family put into exile and country turned to shit
I actually think the lightning might come from being an oni or maybe the fighting style since yamato also had lightning with her thunder baguas
"The Strongest pirate in the world"
"The strongest creature in the world"
is fact that kaido was the strongest character
He would have to be awakened for the flame clouds to be a passive ability. If at all.
I don't think Kaido and Oden were at the peak of their prime but they were in their prime. I they Kaido got stronger by the time he hit 50, I think that's when peak and maintained that strength even in the current moment. Similar to the main members/non appreciate of Rocks Crew and the Roger Crew. I think at God Valley they were all extremely strong and grew even stronger post God Valley. I think during the time period of God Valley Rocks was strongest on that island but post God Valley people like Roger, Rayleigh, WB, Sengoku surpassed him and the other members like Shiki, Garp, Scooper, Big Mom got near his level or did not surpass him. I think 30-38 is early prime, 39-49 is prime, 50-63 is peak prime, 64-74 is the decline of prime, 75+ is well beyond prime
Are you gonna make one for every yonko?
Correction. He fell 10'000 meters from the sky NOT 10'000 feet there's a difference
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True
@@TraeshawnMitchell that's a fact
This is what I’ve been trying to say, Kaido being the “strongest creature” as well as all the hype around him is literally just that: hype. It’s supposed to make it more shocking when he loses because he was such a wall to overcome, not make him a literal unbeatable opponent.
isn't creature just zoan users?
he's the strongest zoan user, simple as
Thr manga said out of every living thing he is the strongest
Of course, Kaido is the strongest. Aside from Imu, Shanks, Mihawk and Luffy, no one else is strong enough to make him actually feel a possibility of defeat. Its not even a bad thing for those guys as no one else can give Kaido the fear of death.
I do believe if Luffy could last long enough in G5 he could beat him in a straight up fight.
Shanks and Mihawk would get worked by kaidou too 😂
only possibly people above him are clearly joyboy/ nika luffy, prime Garp/roger(defeated rocks pirates), imu possibly due to being the king of the world for 800 years. Maybe whitebeard/ sengoku ig
Maybe Blackbeard in the near future if he does master his devil fruits and faces Luffy in the near future.
other than that he clears pretty much everyone else, dragon, shanks, Mihawk, akainu all got some hype behind them but they aren’t invincible monsters, who will push kaidou and be able to match his limitless durability, raw speed/ power and his overall endurance in a prolonged fight. You could only realistically argue akainu but he needs more haki feats, magma alone won’t cut it, Mihawk you could say due to his cutting power and that’s about it, shanks is in the same boat but he’s below Mihawk
@@Spartt204 I agree with everything you've said
Kaido with a sword would be unstoppable, Kaido with awakening would be God
Yea, think how much times he clubbed luffy in the head, if that was a sword.. 😬. Though i do like the club with him more, it fits him more i feel like. Maybe Momonuske will awaken his dragon and show us how powerful Kaido would have been if he was awakened.
@@kenyamaz5835 that cry baby is never awakening that fruìt
Didnt white beard only get his title for clashing with roger so much
I always thought that kaido had the strongest body and the reason he wasn't the strongest in the series is because haki and df exists
Kaido never used his advanced armament and he only used his future sight ones just to show luffy he had it, the fact that he barely dodges any attack and also he carried onigashima which weakened him, why would kaido carry onigashima before defeating everyone? Wouldn't make sense that he carries onigashima after he defeated everyone? This brings me to the conclusion that kaido wanted to lose
If kaido hadn't been lazy, he would have been the very strongest
you were almost cooking. i like the fact that you choose what databook statements and sbs statements to use to further your argument. agenda at its best smh
I hope Oda keeps it this way and doesnt make shanks extremely powerful
If Shanks had both arms, then I'd say Shanks is stronger. Kaido all the way.
People who say Shanks must also believe that if Sanji lost a leg, he would still be just as strong.
Funny it’s stated that shanks went after making his haki stronger to compensate for the lost of his dominant arm
2 arm shanks also lost to bb who didn’t have Df or haki and was on Wb crew still
Has way weaker haki
WB strongest human
Kaido strongest non human
and Imu is not known by the world so he doesnt factor for the titles.
It s pretty controversial since there is a lot of shallow info but imma use narrative and say that he can't be the strongest amin this era since he was just a stepping stone for luffy and not a final enemy.
If kaido was burden free he'd wiped everyone out low diff
If Kaido really wanted to kill himslf he could have just hopped into the sea....
kaido wanted to die wb style,wb death is the manliest death ever. Trust me he is gonna come back because getting punched into lava is not a death he wanted
Zoro and sanji 4 life
He is the strongest of all !
I believe it is an aged and weakened kaido g5 fought. If both start fresh, i dont think g5 stands a chance
I believe Kaido's title is Purely His strength And High hp not only could he hit hard but take hits
Wb's title Is purely Forces and Domain
He lived as the strongest making his "kingdom" an Empire
While every other yonko has limited forces
Bigmom has the strongest family/army
And this is true by a number of measures
One is the fact that she has the biggest and strongest army of any yonko
-An elite Force of her Children each having a unique and strong df
-hundreds of Captains under her like Jinbei
-300,000 chess soldiers
The biggest Is Perospero Showcased to be relative to Jack (both are weakened and injured yet still delibrately shown to be relative)
Based of this
Perospero=jack
Snack>peroapero
Snack>jack
Snack=queen
Cracker>Queen
Cracker=king
Smoothie>cracker
Smoothie>King
Katakuri >Smoothie
And it makes sense So far bigmom is the only yonko to have 2 Awakened users on her crew Katakuri and Cracker
Strongest family not army
King isn’t kaido family nor is anyone aside from Yamato
That’s statement only puts her above garp and dragon and that’s barely
Saying smoothie>king is stupidly stupid
Post wci luffy was getting bullied by queen same queen who was getting bullied by not trying king
Kidd vs greenbull
Ah yes Nature vs Trash...
The age long conflict.
@@geometrysquared1939😂😂
Old Whitebeard
I don’t think kaido has internal destruction or the ryou where you can create a protective barrier but I guesss he knows how to flow his haki so I wouldn’t say he is advanced in armament
Even if you don’t think he has Internal Ryuo he’d still need to know the first level of advanced armament so he can use the concept of Haki flow with his Conquerors
@@zagessj kaido has it he knew why wb and roger were the strongest and trined hid haki to its full potential for the ryuo part he didnt use any armament for defense do he definitely didnt have but if he wanted to he would have had it
@@Naldinho456Wb vivre card states that his Df is the main reason he got the title of strongest man
They literally say Whitebeard was the strongest in the world. Multiple times.
I believe Luffy has surpassed Kaido. I think the narrative backs that and I disagree with all of the excuses people give to Kaido for his loss against Luffy. So the people I do have above Luffy and therefore Kaido are mostly narrative based and what makes sense to me for the future. Akainu is a possible main opponent for Luffy in the future, Dragon (MCs dad who has been saved for so long and I think will fight Akainu), Shanks who is Luffy idol and I don't think Luffy will surpass him until they meet, Mihawk who should just be equal or at least a bit stronger than Shanks due to his title. And of course Blackbeard for obvious reasons. Imu is also there just because of what he represents for the story. But don't get it twisted Kaido gives all of these guys I mentioned the fight of a lifetime.
If for you Luffy > Kaido.
Luffy > Shanks
Luffy > Mihawk
The diference is = or >=
Kaido >= or Shanks >=
@@marcosv7854 The fact Luffy hasnt meet Shanks after everything that happens proves Shanks is stronger than Kaido. Thats the main reason why Oda made Kidd and Killer get one shotted
The narrative is centered around Luffy surpassing Kaido. Kaido himself states that Luffy is the first in years to give him a proper 1v1. This before Luffy wents gear 4. This is in the manga, Oda CHOOSE to write it this way. If you disagree, send Oda an email and explain to him how, what he wrote in his own manga, is wrong because the powerscaler said so
Honestly no the narrative is against you.
This is the final saga, Shanks is just going to have one arc at the most dedicated to him or maybe his role stretches out throughout the saga but it's already been clearly showed the relationship between shanks and Luffy.
There isn't going to be a life and death fight between them.
It's going to be a spar at the most where both sides attack to disable.
And that's if Shanks manages to evade the narrative that's setting him up as a future Blackbeard victim.
The main antagonist Luffy is going to face are Akainu, Blackbeard and Imu not Shanks.
So I don't see where he gets the narrative buff.
@@darshanneupane4055 Well one of Luffys goals on route to becoming PK is surpassing Shanks's crew. Which most likely also means power-wise. Also back in Punk Hazard Luffy said that he plans on taking down all the Emperors, he just didn't want to go after Shanks first. And when it comes to them having a serious fight I think it can still happen. Obviously, I don't think it would be a fight out of hatred like against other opponents. But other than maybe holding back so they don't kill each other at the end of their fight, their fight could still decide who is stronger. We also don't know Shanks very well. He might not be as soft as we think just because it's Luffy. He still wants the One Piece so he might not be as buddy-buddy as we may think.
The existence of garp kinda prevented him from ever being the strongest. Due to wbs statement of being the most powerful pirate who garp is equal to
Why is garp equal to WB?
Garp isn’t in his prime anymore as by his own statements. All of the Yonkos, Admirals, and Dragon are above him.
@@myst2761 why wouldnt he be, roger and garp said they tried and nearly succeeded in constantly killing eachother
@@DHworldwide185 we saw in kuzans flashback that he was cappin as he stayed the same strength from when he trained kuzan as a rookie to when he became an admiral. Regardless the wb statement was from marineford so him being old doesnt change much, only stamina is effected by age
@@lokseptic7259 wb > roger ≈ garp
You could throw him into the sea and he will die.
Fish fruit..
Until Luffy gets beat/clearly overpowered you can see him as the strongest.
It ia not "maybe" He was the strongest with Mihawk
Yea kaido.. gauntlet 15 plus people that strong as warlords maybe and everybody at rooftop stronger then warlord level while probably still holding back moving a island and clapped luffy 4 times lol yea i think kaido still beat luffy 1v1
I don’t see who can take kaido bro gas like 30000 soldier with devil fruit,kaido lost to plot 😂 when oda when introduce kaido did not had any idea how to beat him until he be like let me put advanced conqueror hakin😂😂 and luffy somehow learn it in a week oda said he wanted to be done with wano,he simply forget a lot of details such as more kaido backstory how he become the strongest because of rocks he did not want too spoiled it
PRIMEBEARD whoops him
@@Naldinho456then why did your glorious primebeard (pull up his pants when you are done) didn't want the smoke if he could Whoop a prime Kaidou, then why was he so cared of a weaker Kaidou.
@@darshanneupane4055 first off when was he scared and if you mean oden thing he lives in wano no info gets out
and if oden wanted help he could have easily contacted them and wb knows that this is oden business and that this is his land and people that he has to be the one to fix it you making it sound like wb was ducking kaido he wasn't yall kaido meat riders are something make sure to wipe it off after your done cause it probably looks like wbs mustache
Kaido is the Worlds Strongest yet managed to never fight another top tier besides BM after Oden. Had literal decades but somehow dodged Garp, Sengoku, Shiki, WB, Shanks, Mihawk, the Gorosei, God Knights and Imu. All of his best showings are against Yonko Commanders
🧢. Kaido top 5 confirmed he atleast fought shanks, rocks, roger, oden and WB who are clearly top tier
@@Hawkeye5079 no it doesn’t, if Kaido and Roger ever clashed Roger was low diffing the boy. He was the little bro on the Rocks crew
@@P-Weaver-u6g ok? Kaido still fought roger the difficulty doesnt matter
@@P-Weaver-u6gthe more we truly do think about it, most of the characters hype are nothing but cap most of the times. Kaidou probably did fight roger and the red haired pirates forsure before and during god valley, prime whitebeard was kinda scared to not wanna fight him too avenge oden
When he was literally recruited that’s when the rocks pirates became invincible plus they had infighting among them so he’s probably had to run the fade with rocks, whitebeard, bigmom , shiki or anyone on the crew just to see if he was the real deal. His entire character is being the ultimate soldier
As for shanks vs kaidou(got confirmed in a vivre card that it was only him and king facing off against the red haired pirates, they probably just had a few clashes. If that fade truly did happen than shanks and his crew would be missing limbs and body parts. Kaidou doesn’t fuck around
oda’s lame anyways tho always leaving bread crumbs around instead of just showing us things like during his flashback during wano.
Even roger, whitebeard kinda look over hyped imo cause they didn’t really fight anyone
But roger gets hype from me cause him and Garp defeated the rocks pirates, Garp still gets hype for flattening chinjao’s continent buster head, destroying aokiji at his old age.
kaido propaganda is all i see
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You are making statements on an imprecise English translation a "saikyou no seibutsu" literally stands as the strongest among all living thigns. Also, you are using "creature" in current English sense, and not the archaic original latin one, which prevails in most languages, such as Italian, Spanish, French etc... which involves everything that has been born. Kaido is translated in Spanish as "la criatura más fuerte" which would involve humans. And finally, even though the title wouldn't include humans, doesn't put the word below humans.
I disagree with kaido not being the strongest. Everything to do with kaido was about strength and strength alone. He said haki transcends all but not that roger was stronger just that haki is the best. The only person who could beat kaido was luffy aka joyboy which is emphasized in 1049. Only imu and bb to me are or will reach higher heights. Kaido was the strongest
His comment regarding Roger is to establish Roger as the summit, the top. The one everyone wishes to be comparable to.
He even specifies how Roger was the one that conquered it all, not him or Luffy or whatever. Kaido WANTS to conquer the seas too, thats why he allied with Big Mom. He explains to Luffy what his wish is.
I would defentily still consider xebec,roger and whitebeard as stronger
Take xebec(shiki victim) roger(zoro victim) garp(zoro victim)
Out they don’t have a. Single stat near kaido at all
1 regular swing is all it takes just like oden
Kaido is the “world’s strongest creature” because he’s a dragon 🐉. It’s kinda like a play on words; Dragons are the strongest of all creatures in the OP world, and so Kaido being one means he is the “strongest creature in the world”: a Dragon.
"In one-on-ones, always bet on Kaido" I don't think this phrase refers to an animal fight in which Kaido turns into a dragon and fights with them, Kaido is from a race Almost extinct where only he and Yamato remain. Probably the title referring to this "creature" refers to all living beings on the planet including humans, And there is the fact that Kaido calls himself the strongest of this era right after saying that "haki overcomes everything" at no point in the fight did he connect the title of strongest creature with his fruit, We can use the narrative hypothesis that when Kaido died it would say that now momonosuke is the strongest creature
@@Jaovitor679 "They say". Its presented as a rumor, not a fact. WB wasnt treated as a rumor per example, they actually specify. On top of that, Kaido admits Roger supiriority when he comments on how Haki transcends any devil fruit power. Oden flashback plays a major role in debunking the idea that its initially set about him being unbeatable, thats why before the climax of their fight, someone interferes. That happens so that you as a reader is forced to debate who would have won. Mind you, Kaido kept Oden as one of the few that can go on a 1v1 against him till death in present time...
@@MigsCor21 "they say" Maybe because in the future Luffy would defeat him and as Kaido himself said, the only one who could defeat him would be Joyboy himself and so it happened, You said the title of WB is valid but Kaido's not only is he an unabashed Fanboy, but he also made a mistake in his own argument where it was said "they say" only in Kaido's introduction when he says "in one-on-ones, always bet on Kaido" However, in the title of strongest creature in the world, something like that never happened, as well as the title of strongest man with a white beard, and if you even read my comment you will know why Kaido is called "creature" It's because his species is almost extinct and it's clear to anyone that he's not human, And I've already refuted the idea that the "strongest creature" comes from his Devil Fruit After Kaido said that haki overcomes everything he called himself the "STRONGEST OF THIS ERA" While fighting Luffy proving that the title was not a fallacy and Kaidou himself reinforced this title implying that he is real, saying that he is lying is impossible since he was Who Showed the greatest feats of strength among yonkous And as he had said, the only one who could defeat him was Joyboy and it happened exactly like his words, Regarding the opponents and you mentioning Oden, he said at that moment when Luffy had barely obtained gear 5 and had only just made him bleed, so Kaido said "I haven't felt pain in a long time, so you want to compare yourself to them" then he mentioned whitebeard Roger xebec Shanks and oden" characters he has faced and have made him feel pain or bleed At no point did he mention "these people defeated me" because that wouldn't make sense because at that moment Luffy didn't even have gear 5 and he wasn't even close to the level of Kaido
@@Jaovitor679 No. Clearly you didn't read the manga. It's "they say if it's a one on one bet on Kaido". The fact you mentioned red roc as "when Luffy had barely obtained gear 5" proves how little you know about the series. If you did read the manga, you would remember that Kaido specifically states that Luffy was one of the few that could go on a proper 1v1 with him. JoyBoy comment was sarcastic. Kaido didn't even know if it was a real thing, simply learned the name from King who, later on, stops believing in said myth. You just straight up didn't read
@@MigsCor21 I think you didn't read even half of what I wrote, you drew completely wrong conclusions and distorted everything What I said, "The fact you mentioned red roc, It shows that you don't even know about the manga" Do you mean to say that I don't know about the manga just because I didn't specify a specific event? Is that your argument?
"he said at that moment when Luffy had barely obtained gear 5 and had only just made him bleed, so Kaido said ("I haven't felt pain in a long time, so you want to compare yourself to them") then he mentioned whitebeard Roger xebec Shanks and oden" characters he has faced and have made him feel pain or bleed At no point did he mention "these people defeated me" because that wouldn't make sense because at that moment Luffy didn't even have gear 5 and he wasn't even close to the level of Kaido" your whole argument was to correct the exact way I described the events in the manga and say that I didn't read it there are my words above that you decided to correct which are in parentheses now look at how this exact part is described in the manga when I research what happened in the chapter 1011 of One Piece "In Chapter 1011 of the One Piece manga, during the fight between Kaido and Luffy, Kaido says, "I haven't felt pain in a long time, so you want to compare yourself to them?" This line is delivered in a confrontational and somewhat dismissive tone, as Kaido challenges Luffy's ability to rival those who have caused him pain in the past." your argument of saying that I didn't read the manga just because I supposedly didn't describe exactly what happened is useless even if I hadn't written it exactly the same, now that I've shown that you're right, what are your words now?, from my previous text you only cited "errors" in the manga's description and didn't refute anything about Kaido's narrative being the strongest creature remains canonical as well as Whitebeard's title of being the strongest man, I proved that Kaido is only called a creature due to his oni race and not the fruit and I proved that the title is confirmed by his own words calling himself the strongest (Chapter 795: Kaido first declares himself as the strongest creature in the world during the Dressrosa Arc.
Chapter 953: Kaido reaffirms his claim during the Onigashima raid in the Wano Country arc)
I believe kaido is the strongest in terms in alone streghnt not on crew
Kaido and WB's titles aren't factual, they are rumours and hearsay (I'm sure it's mainly because of their powers). Mihawk has the only factual title, I think in his tenure Mihawk has never lost a 1v1.
Bruh u deny Kaido's and Whitebeard's titles when they showed great feats. But believe to Mihawk that he never lost a battle 🤧
@@MrHolmesss One Piece is about perspective. You can look at everything multiple ways, it's just how I see it. I don't deny the other two they are legends. Mihawk is above them.
@@sharkking4 You think mihawk is above kaido?
@@sharkking4it’s laughable to even have Mihawk above kaidou , whitebeard or anyone cause he’s already admitted his inferiority to an old ass whitebeard. Talk about perspective oda basically showed in a metaphorical sense that he’s below whitebeard cause he never lifted a figure and it was stopped by jozu, same case with kizaru and the Marco situation.
Mihawk also got handed his current bounty due to his strength and same was said about kaidou but there is a clear gap.
if we bring in the feats and hype from other characters around, kaidou and whitebeard are in their own league with Mihawk being the only closet one among current day pirates. Mihawk is above shanks tho and would give them good work but would eventually lose due to his lack of durability and endurance he doesn’t have those hyped up levels of invincibility and aura that kaidou and whitebeard bring to the table
@@Spartt204 Not reading all of that, also Oda spent 20+ years writing Mihawk and Zoros final goal, your argument is invalid
Yeah kaido was stronger than prime roger and WB. Him Luffy and Akainu were the strongest characters in the series
Shanks cooked him on the way to marine ford he weak af
Never stated to best
Stop isn’t the same as beating
Marco stopped kizaru stopped kuzan stopped akainu stopped big mom does that mean he beat them zoro stopped kaido and big mom does that mean he beat them
Recent chapters zoro stopped nasjuro does that mean he beat him
The key here is "1v1, always bet on Kaido". He is the strongest single opponent in the OP world I think but his crew is not the strongest.
The Straw Hat, Blackbeard, Red Hair, Whitebeard, & the Roger pirates are all stronger crews than Kaido's Beast pirates
Luffy didn't beat Kaido 1v1, Kaido fought dozens of people over the course of the battle & was holding up Onigashima at the same time
Obviously but I have oldbeard=>kaido
Kaido over shanks any day
Was never much of a debate at all considering shanks is also below Mihawk now( the only one who would push him with a sword is only Mihawk)
Shanks still needs to showcase more before I’m convinced that this won’t be a mid diff or high diff at best. If shanks was hyped up to being able to scar kaidou like oden did than I’d give him a better chance. He with his crew had a skirmish with kaidou and king but they didn’t scar them up at all only made them retreat
@@Spartt204 keep spitting
@@nanab4719wouldn’t make sense for shanks to be weaker than kaido
Delusional
Wsggg
Yoo
@@zagessj Id say that Kaido did get stronger from Oden. Due to the fact he looks a lot more bigger and stronger. He put on a lot more muscle mass so he should also hit much harder and be much more durable.
I think Kaido is the safest pick for the strongest post timeskip right now. It makes a lot more sense than the others, considering he has a narrative of raw strength. Something these other characters do not have.
Kaido still stronger then luffy though
No
Kaido is not the strongest, that’s fact💀
He is lmao a
Best feats second to Wb
Bests statements
Best potrayal second to Wb
Best stats second to none
A Full power kaido would claps gear 5 luffy !
Kaido can fight for days yet fought for hours against people who could barely hurt him luffy can only fight for 12 hours max and that’s in base
Luffy was more exhausted and damaged than Kaido
@@GIVEPROOFKIDluffy is a cheat code,fighting kaido he can restart his g5 4 times looking like old man exhausted and just healed all of his injuries
Akainu slams
I’m going with Mihawk, and Shanks being superior to Kaido. It was after Luffy defeated Kaido when Shanks considered Luffy worthy enough for him to look for laughtale, meaning Luffy’s not worthy of meeting him yet (the red movie already showed us that both Luffy, and shanks do not consider Luffy worthy yet.)
Shanks forced Kaido to avoid the war, and came back without a scratch with his crew okay as well.
Also Zoro’s attack was so powerful that Big mom was acting like if it hit Kaido it would kill him, So Mihawk, and Shanks would be chopping off limbs, with Mihawk most likely massively holding back not even using a named attack.
Talk louder please
Imu, dragon, Gorosei all. Comes under world strongest creature title
Lol sorry to say it Dragon is irrelevant how far we've come in the series so far we haven't seen much from him as matter of fact
Gorosei special Saturn and ju Peter have done none other than get clowned by basic haki gear 5
Yamato is kaido's son, not his daughter.