Except this time they don't even offer anything new or unique. I could for example trade entire tech tree branch + a some resources for a unique low tier fun tank like Pz 5/4, but this... it is just a scam. They just want to suck out resources without adding anything valuable.
WG wasted this opportunity really, they could have done better this event could have recalled retired players. edit: I played since late 2012 around dec, stopped playing after I got that tier x assemble tank, as I realized game is not worth my time anymore, then I saw WG post about this event, I said wow cool, but after seeing the cost, it's still same old WG.
havent played wot in over a year, heard about this event and thought id comeback to play a "new" t10 that i dont have... turns out base price for the trade im willing to make is 18.4k gold so doubt ill be playing wot anytime soon
@@adrianfisher2331 Yeah, that was what was being reported. And this was after a good number had already earned the tier 8 tank, while others were in mid-earnings to see the keys drop in number. Very shady.
They nerfed it 3 times. First it was 17 keys, then down 15keys and now 12 keys. What an idiot move from them. Im not sure what they are trying to achieve here.
@@dangkhoa050689 Someone rumored that the Asian server, which is probably mostly paid credit/tank farmers(?) with nothing else to do all day or all night, achieved too many of the reward tier 8 tank too fast... so WG nerfed it for everyone else. That, or it was only ever intended for the best team players to win.
QB, you aren't looking down the road. WoT is wanting you to spend all these stored resources NOW. Why? Because they have Black Market, Holiday Ops, etc. coming up. They want you to be low on everything so that you have to buy Gold to buy that new FOMO tanks they are rolling out.
@@DisgruntledDoomer Then they pull out Reduced Price for Bond Equipment, and you dont have the bonds. So you buy yourself a Tier 9 Premium Tank to farm Bonds;)
Yep. It's happened to me in the past when I I've spent resources and then something in the shop or an event etc appears the next day or week and I'm like wtf. I just spent this when I could have gotten this for a way better spend of resources
what i observed was that in the test server it was 117 bonds for 1% in the official its now 200+ and its now a scam due to the high pricing fee from 9.9k to whoping 14k. WHAT A SIDE HUSTLE WG
Ye can't we can't have that. Why tf can't WG just give something back to a loyal fanbase, they would gain respect and it's not like it being free would be the best deal ever anyways since we are losing a tree:/
it sounded good on paper, but then in practice, 16800 gold converted to exp on the normal rate 1=25 = 420,000 free EXP which can get you pretty far, but the special rates during events like 1=40 672,000 which is basically an entire techtree, you can keep your old techtree and have the new one for the same price.
And thats if you take for example swedish line with no blueprints unlocked. If you do this for soviets, with blueprints, you can easily go with 200k free xp or less
Yep. And now, right after the event ended, they are giving a never before seen 1 gold=100exp discount, meaning this whole thing literally didn't even save ANYTHING, quite the opposite - wasted a whole tech tree AND a ton of gold!
It's a bad joke. I have waited with excitement to get rid of m454 and get the stb1 but this price is Insane. If you are a good player with loads of bonds, tanks, and stuff you probably don't even need this. But for someone like me with 4000 Battles who researched the wrong tank. This is super necessary, but now I can't even take part in trade in. It's like WG forgot about the fact that we have already researched an ENTIRE TECH TREE that we would lose in the trade? I'm not supporting this greedy play!
Same. I want to trade Leo with Centurion bcs I'm not a good player with Leo, but I can make STB-1 works bcs I like some tank that have turret armor so I'm really happy that I can trade (yes I know this info from couple of months ago) but when I saw this, I guess I won't play WoT in near future, at least until I know reward for Well Deserve ones.
As a F2P for more than 10 years I've this advice : find fun tanks you like to play, save free exp and try to get as much blue fragments as you can by daily missions or event. When you got your ressources you have the choice to grind a line you want with the possibity to skip tanks. Blue prints will decrease the exp needed for tanks and free exp is useful when you have to unlock modules to avoid playing horrible stock vehicles. I know it could be depressing but being patient is the best way to grind
thats how i am atm im only missing a couple of 10s because i haven't researched the tier 9 guns, even though the 10s are 100% blueprinted. this offer is pointless for someone like me, ill just wait tell christmas and finish every line and use the extra gold on assembly tanks for 2025
The blueprint system is basically pointless now, they just give you a bunch of nation blueprints that you’ll never be able to use because they reduced the amount of universal blueprints you can get. I’m out of universal blueprints but I have 50-150 national blueprints for each nation…
My friend was so excited for this when he first heard about it. He is new to the game and just got his first tier 10 tank. However, he really didn’t know what he was doing and he ended up grinding up a bad line and got one of the worst tier 10 tanks. He was excited for this because he thought he could exchange it for another one and fix his mistake. Now he isn’t even going to continue playing because he doesn’t want to waste the time grinding a new line.
I mean I get making a mistake sucks and there is no doubt that what WG is doing with this is dumb and greedy but if he doesn't want to continue playing because of this then he was likely going to quit regardless. Almost the entirety of the game is the grind. So not wanting to grind another tree is basically just not wanting to play the game.
I am proud of myself a little, even before I watched this, my red flags went up when I saw the event video in the garage. Seems like I am learning something from QB after all this time :D
14:35 You're absolutely right. At the beggining of the video I was genuenly excited that I could trade a tech tree I grinded but never used or liked (in my case it's the E50M, I don't like its bad dpm and high profile) for free, and come back to the game after a year or two... But no, in typical WG fashion they instead went for the money and wasted a great idea... At the end of the day it's their loss, the playerbase keeps getting smaller
As a 10 years F2P player I'm happy to see that this event is useless for me. Yes WG, with your blue prints system I've now researched every tank on every tech tree line apart the Czech lights so I don't need to trade anything. To other players : don't fall into the trap, play tanks you like, save free exp to skip or unlock modules to not play stock anymore and use as much blue prints as you can. Bonds worth way more than gold and the price for this exchange is crazy high
"Oh wow a unique event that let's me trade in that awful tech tree i didn't like for one I'd love to play? Might as well come back to the game after 3 years of not playing! ........wait what? I have to pay? and how much? yeah, nevermind."
i think personally it is a very bad deal. They might take into account that u can skip (trade) an entire line without gameplay time which might be very good for some good lines in exchange of some "bad" lines. but then they didnt take into account or gameplay time for said "bad lines" as someone who retired playing WOT i came back to see that if i were to switch any of my tier 10 lines to a line ive been wanting the most (K-91 medium line) i would need 15,700 gold without any other resources. i immediately closed the game after
WG will bring this back in a better form soon. But would you really trade a good Heavy line for a very hard/ not great Light line? At most I would trade just the Tier 10's (ST-II for EBR 105) and grind the Tier 6 to learn the gameplay. You could then even regrind the ST-II with the incredible IS-3-II.
this also goes for some other things on test server, like battle pass (around 10 gold a stage instead of ~250) if there's any gold price on an event on test server it's usually much higher on live server
Hahaha that's just ridiculous, for that price there's no tech tree that is valuable to do this. And the one that are interesting we certainly already have them. I'm really curious who would do that... We'll never know... But why any player would do that... One for free would have been a nice gift, why not... But here it's just ridiculous. And if it was one free I would exchange one of the best branch for the worse one, just that I can replay the good one and get rid of the bad one without playing it.
Okay, so the price point is absolutely ridiculous, but the idea isn't that bad. For example, if had a tree you grinded where you enjoyed most of the tanks, you could buy out a new tech tree for zero grind, and then re-enjoy unlocking tanks you liked playing. In my case I could un-research the swedish TD's get a tech tree like the Japanese sniper heavies, and then go back and enjoy grinding the Swedes. 8.5/10, would try it (if it wasn't so ridiculously expensive).
Once again, thanks for the info QB. I figured this "Deal" would not be worth it, and suprise me not WG is true to form. And they threw in a dose of limited time only chance because they truely don't care about their player base. I am hoping Steel Aces can do to WOT what WOW did to EQ.
so they target free to play players which dont spend so much time to this game but price it like buying 2 premium tanks or they advice to spend bond like credits... They marketing goupe failed hard
If it was free, I probably would have reinstalled. A chance to finally get the Maus without having to grind all the way up could have been really cool. But not for this price.
Excellent video and explanation; I was caught in the “trap” of wanting to give up my Patton line for a TVP T50/51. As I watched your video and the cost associated; I looked at my Škoda line and realized I already own the Škoda T-50. After your video, I’ll just grind it to the Tier X.
I wouldn't mind trading out my E100 tech tree for one of those artillery tech trees, that way I can experience grinding out one of my favourite lines again, and avoid grinding through the nightmare that is an arty line.
If take in to account how slowly you can get bonds, these kinda trade-offs are just ridicilous... No one should fell for this. This could be called as scam without any hesitation... jeebus...
Price of the trade in is actually disgusting... They literally have no clue about the economy inside their own game, it's like they thought everyone sits at millions of bonds, I really hope people won't fall into this scam and WG realise their mistake, wtf...
Never take the "good exchange offer" from WG. It is always about milking you. I havn't been playing for a while and have couple of trees unresearched. However, if I play randoms for a while, most of these tanks will get automatically research by blueprints, only the modules will require exp/free exp.
that amount of gold feels like a scam for someone, like me, that only buys 20/40 euros of xmas boxes to last 1/2 years. And for those wondering, no, I do not have 10s of thousands of bonds to throw for skipping 1/2 weeks of grinding a new line.
Someone might have already mentioned it but their total cost to exchange the lines were changing with each resource they added. It went up from like 2000-3000 gold up to over 5000 gold before adding the bonds. The crossed out number is the total cost and not the discount.
This absolutely would have pulled me back into playing WoT for the next months - until i saw the unfeasible price. Thank you so much for the video Quacky, after that i didn't even bother to install the game again. I still prefer to get my dose of tanks from you instead
I was thinking of getting rid of my french TD to get something else. I was excited when this concept was introduced but now I know it's expensive. Thanks QB for making this video.
I would have come back to the game if this is actually good but it's not. They made it too expensive to a point where no one is going to do it, and no old players like myself are coming back to spend money either, so their greed creates a lose lose situation for them. Typical WG
The players able to trade branches with just ingame recources have no need for it anyway, since they already have so many tech trees researched.... Its is basically a "pay XX.000 gold to trade", which is just a huge nono...
So this is done because... Probably a lot of players stick to their old researched tanks and dont bother grinding up the new trees... Due to often lack of exciting new tanks. The fact is. The best "best tank" in every possible metric, is already in the game. To prevent too much power creep. So anything new added to the game is per definition going to be kinda mediocre, middle-of-the-tree, and a bit boring to some that prefer their trusty old standard tanks.
WG really missed their customer base since its so expensive only player who played a LOT will get enough gold and bonds for it, only problem is that they already HAVE all the tanks, so it really help no one overall
For me, the base gold price started at about 10,000, and with about 16,000 free xp, all the blueprints, and 2,000 bonds brought it down to about 7,000 gold. Looking back, it was probably a rip-off, but it was nice to get rid of my Conqueror GC for a 268 (I already have the 268/4).
9:00 This change smells of a greedy manager somewhere. When I saw the video I was excited, figured I might trade my Type 5 Heavy (which I got before all the HE nerfs) in and get the medium line using free experience, just like you pay for premium tank trade-ins in their normal currency, but they made it gold and limited other resources to 10% of the contribution. So thanks Wargaming for reminding me of why I quit the game several years ago, for a second there I was thinking of playing it.
Yes, the blueprint system is there. The only thing is, you only get national prints and next to nothing of the universal prints. So i have many prints i can not use.
Well, in principle, everything you said is correct. The good thing is that you made a video where wargaming eats to extract as many resources as possible from the players. It's not a problem for Milim that they want to do it but they don't have to use the players that much. Those who want to wear tanks in a faster way should pay. What annoys me is that we older players, like you and others, spent time and nerves during the persistence of tank lines, and we only got drafts when they changed the whole system. Why didn't we get some benefits like a premium tank or similar? Because today's concept of wargaming is to explore lines as soon as possible.
I didn't hear WG mention anything about tanks modules being unlocked as part of the trade-in so if those are still all locked and need to be unlocked, that's a complete deal breaker imho since having to unlock every turret/tracks/engines/guns/radios is an extremely large amount of grinding with XP, or a huge additional waste of freexp. That would be an absolutely toxic discovery after already investing in a pretty bad deal anyway.
I think the gold price is for the 5 tanks in the tech tree. If you trade in a tech tree with 4 tanks in the garage and 1 for research, the amount I get is 4000 Gold only.
even for free it would be a bad or only mid deal. you effectively lose your crews, you have to invest a lot into new crews, you lose your blueprint progress on the new line and you reset random blueprints on the old line instead of getting them for any newly introduced lines. for 16k gold? this is just the worst deal in WG history
Most important currency is Free EXP. You can skip modules and bad tanks in tech tree. Bonds just are there. And that price is for the whole package. For me it's about 5000 gold without using blueprints etc. It depends how many tanks you have, how much exp you need for new line and other factors I think. So, yes it might be expensive in some cases but in others it may save you grind of boring and/or bad tanks in tech tree.I'm thinking about trading Kranvagn for 60TP or T110E5. For less than 5k gold I think it's worth considering
I got the VZ 55 using only free XP and blue prints. Did not buy a single tier I-IX tank to get it. Then WG nerfed the crap out of the 2 shell magazine gun literally within days of me acquiring it.
Wow QB excellent presentation! Your spreadsheet skills are showing us the way. It will be tempting for some, but not for me. Embrace the old adage "Buyer Beware"... aka Montanajack
Merci pour votre honnêteté ! Je suis beaucoup de vos vidéos et j'aime également votre enthousiasme. WoT risque effectivement d'accélérer sa chute. Pourquoi suppriment ils définitivement les vieux comptes après quelques années d'inactivité? J'ai un ami qui a voulu s'y remettre mais WOT à supprimer son compte, et il leur a écrit sans succès. Il a donc perdu tous ses chars premium, toutes ses branches, ses tiers 10 ! Wot abime lui même ceux qui voudraient revenir !
When I saw the name of the video, I wanted to go back in for a few days. Then decided otherwise once I saw they are actually SELLING tech tree tanks, on top of removing your own.
id rather the option to trade in your lower tier for a discount on the next tank in the line so you can choose between buying it full price to have both lower and higher or trade in one you wont play again for a discount to help with the grinds
Even in WGs video is was pricey. But as it dont take into account how much XP etc you already have on the tank for trade if you are already on the tier 9, or the total XP difference. It's a set price for everything reagdless. It's cheaper to convert XP for gold for most and complete the line that way.
It was more a necessity that I trade out a tech tree than wanted to. There’s one tank that I needed (FV3805) in order to complete the campaign missions
Cynical hat on, I think they're doing this for two reasons. First, as a litmus test to see how much the player base is willing to spend in order to fine tune pricing for future events/tanks. Second to see which tech tree line is the one most traded in - indicating which line they should buff next "I just traded in my British lights, what's that? They're getting buffed next patch and I'll have to regrind them?"
i was actually excited about this when i first heard it, because i always wanted the leopard, but didnt want to torture myself grinding up to T9 imagine my shock when i tried to trade my badger line for it and even with 10.000 bonds and the other resources maxed out it still asked me for around 3000-4000 gold this is a complete fleece and has seriously soured my opinion of WG (moreso than it already was), its clearly NOT meant for new or f2p players, since it it unlikely for them to have this many resources to throw around in the first place what a scam
It seems the discount depends on the ammount of gold needed to pay. For me only to lose the tier X I needed to pay 114 Bonds while QB in the video paid 336 for 1%
Yeah that is way too pricey to get a new tech tree tank. Maybe it could be worth it, if it also transferred your crew to the new line, but no, you also have to pay more to do that or get a completely new one, if it's another faction.
This is so damn SHAMELESS. This is absolutely scummy from WG. I decided to see how much it would cost me to get a Rinoceronte by getting rid of my Obj 268 and I have to pay 50 national blueprints, 10 universal blueprints, 9500 free exp, 4000 bonds and 1269 gold coins. THIS IS GARBAGE WG
WG has found a way to "suck up resources" from player's account without adding any new content.... I guess we should congratulate this to them with "slow clap"... 😐
Yeah, I learned years ago to never use the trade in feature and if I might say so, the "hard" way. Where I traded my T34B for the Ravioli and I regret it ever since. This tech tree trade in seems more of the same and not for me, specially for bonds...That would be crazy!
@QuickyBaby you should try with the same lines that they are doing the example and check out the differences. Probably this will answer the real question with real facts from 8:56.
it would be cheaper to just research the tech tree normally, While it takes longer, you can make it free and by the time you get to the tier 10, your crew is pretty good. But yea that's insane
If you take full pize od 17900 and convert it with x40 multiplier it's more than 700000exp, so whole line. In practice you are trading two lines for one...
I dumped the T110E4 for the Obj. 268/4. For most that might seem like a bad move, but for my style I think it's a good move. Now just have to get use to the quirks of the 268/4 and figure out which equipment works best for me. My cost was 11,900 gold after giving up the national blue prints, which is fine because Holiday Ops is coming and my annual gold supply will get replenished. I think a better idea would be allowing me to trade 1 or 2, tier 6-10 instead of the whole line for gold. Example, the Japanese TD line only has 1 worth keeping, I would have preferred to keep that one and trade the rest for a different tech tree line. I would be happy to pay gold since I already have the premiums for gold that I want. There's not much else to spend gold on aside from converting xp to free xp. I wish WG would let me donate gold to my clan treasury or swap gold for bonds. But I don't see that happening.
The big issue I have as a long term player with a lot of premiums is that trying to grind a stock tank in any of these tech tree lines is absolute rage inducing torture. I can’t imagine being a new player to this game getting stuck into a tier 6 piece of crap tank and playing great players in their tier 8 Borrs game after game. WG needs to find a work around for that soul destroying experience or NA will fade away.
I was going to trade in type 5 heavy for 60tp, but I’ve heard it’s not a bad grind and Quickybaby saying how they could maybe buff it later down the line
I thought you can change tech tree once for free.... I'm stupid, forgot we are playing WG games
it's true that the logic would have been for the first time to be free and then to have to pay for others... but hey, they decided not to give gifts
ditto
Thanks for the tip. I dont need to watch the video as now I know I am not going to use it so dont need to even know what it is
Nothing about this exchange is good. They screwed up.
Same, I presumed it was free..haha wear a balaclava next time WG you dopey fooks
This is just another resource sink for players. Do not use it
The same as those 'Auctions'
And for those players tat don't have every tank and tech tree research, you should never use your free XP nor the fragments. Never.
Correct.
@@MarkoMakela-kk7qf i dont have all the tech tree tanks. I save all free xp for assembly shop tanks
Except this time they don't even offer anything new or unique. I could for example trade entire tech tree branch + a some resources for a unique low tier fun tank like Pz 5/4, but this... it is just a scam. They just want to suck out resources without adding anything valuable.
WG wasted this opportunity really, they could have done better this event could have recalled retired players.
edit: I played since late 2012 around dec, stopped playing after I got that tier x assemble tank, as I realized game is not worth my time anymore, then I saw WG post about this event, I said wow cool, but after seeing the cost, it's still same old WG.
havent played wot in over a year, heard about this event and thought id comeback to play a "new" t10 that i dont have... turns out base price for the trade im willing to make is 18.4k gold so doubt ill be playing wot anytime soon
I don't think retired players would play unless the reason for them retiring would have changed.
no, it wouldnt. the game would merely suck in a different tank. this doesnt fix the matchmaker, of the broken bushes, or remove the cheaters.
I'm thinking of leaving the game now after 13 years. I have probably spent 5000 € But this gold greed can go to hell
@@TH-cam_Globetrotter just think of what you could have bought for 5k instead of pixels...
This was a disgusting move from WG
This is what you get from Putin's dogs
Word on Reddit is that WG also nerfed the "Last Stand" offerings/winnings mid-day to players two days ago. Too many people noticed it.
instead of 17 or 18 I saw you only make like 12-13 keys.
@@adrianfisher2331 Yeah, that was what was being reported. And this was after a good number had already earned the tier 8 tank, while others were in mid-earnings to see the keys drop in number. Very shady.
Yeah, put me off of grinding this stupid event.
They nerfed it 3 times. First it was 17 keys, then down 15keys and now 12 keys. What an idiot move from them. Im not sure what they are trying to achieve here.
@@dangkhoa050689 Someone rumored that the Asian server, which is probably mostly paid credit/tank farmers(?) with nothing else to do all day or all night, achieved too many of the reward tier 8 tank too fast... so WG nerfed it for everyone else.
That, or it was only ever intended for the best team players to win.
QB, you aren't looking down the road. WoT is wanting you to spend all these stored resources NOW. Why? Because they have Black Market, Holiday Ops, etc. coming up. They want you to be low on everything so that you have to buy Gold to buy that new FOMO tanks they are rolling out.
"Low on everything"? Only bonds count, and you can't buy those anyway.
@@DisgruntledDoomer Then they pull out Reduced Price for Bond Equipment, and you dont have the bonds. So you buy yourself a Tier 9 Premium Tank to farm Bonds;)
Yep. It's happened to me in the past when I I've spent resources and then something in the shop or an event etc appears the next day or week and I'm like wtf. I just spent this when I could have gotten this for a way better spend of resources
@@DisgruntledDoomer yet :)
I though the Black Market was long gone. Not been one in several years.
what i observed was that in the test server it was 117 bonds for 1% in the official its now 200+ and its now a scam due to the high pricing fee from 9.9k to whoping 14k. WHAT A SIDE HUSTLE WG
100% Scam
If this is literally free, this will benefit Free to Play Players
But WARGAMING don't want FREE STUFF
Ye can't we can't have that. Why tf can't WG just give something back to a loyal fanbase, they would gain respect and it's not like it being free would be the best deal ever anyways since we are losing a tree:/
Making it free would make sense, since we're giving up one tech tree for another.
@@venturiqq ye
@@venturiqq ye
@@venturiqq haha logic does not exist in wargaming. Just money
it sounded good on paper, but then in practice, 16800 gold converted to exp on the normal rate 1=25 = 420,000 free EXP which can get you pretty far, but the special rates during events like 1=40
672,000 which is basically an entire techtree, you can keep your old techtree and have the new one for the same price.
And thats if you take for example swedish line with no blueprints unlocked.
If you do this for soviets, with blueprints, you can easily go with 200k free xp or less
@@imma5761 yeah it's absurt how expensive it is to do this, especially since the main resource is gold, not free exp or credits
Still you need huge amount of gold to do so. Profit, WG is trade company, not game designing company. Not now.
Yep. And now, right after the event ended, they are giving a never before seen 1 gold=100exp discount, meaning this whole thing literally didn't even save ANYTHING, quite the opposite - wasted a whole tech tree AND a ton of gold!
@@starewell8940 imagine a 1:100 conversaion ratio LMAO, i think the biggest i've seen was 1:50 or something years ago
It's a bad joke. I have waited with excitement to get rid of m454 and get the stb1 but this price is Insane.
If you are a good player with loads of bonds, tanks, and stuff you probably don't even need this. But for someone like me with 4000 Battles who researched the wrong tank. This is super necessary, but now I can't even take part in trade in. It's like WG forgot about the fact that we have already researched an ENTIRE TECH TREE that we would lose in the trade?
I'm not supporting this greedy play!
Same.
I want to trade Leo with Centurion bcs I'm not a good player with Leo, but I can make STB-1 works bcs I like some tank that have turret armor so I'm really happy that I can trade (yes I know this info from couple of months ago) but when I saw this, I guess I won't play WoT in near future, at least until I know reward for Well Deserve ones.
As a F2P for more than 10 years I've this advice : find fun tanks you like to play, save free exp and try to get as much blue fragments as you can by daily missions or event. When you got your ressources you have the choice to grind a line you want with the possibity to skip tanks. Blue prints will decrease the exp needed for tanks and free exp is useful when you have to unlock modules to avoid playing horrible stock vehicles. I know it could be depressing but being patient is the best way to grind
thats how i am atm im only missing a couple of 10s because i haven't researched the tier 9 guns, even though the 10s are 100% blueprinted. this offer is pointless for someone like me, ill just wait tell christmas and finish every line and use the extra gold on assembly tanks for 2025
Imagine hating M4 54, probably the best tech tree heavy right now
Stay strong soldier! Dont give in to filthy, money hungry wg monster.
The blueprint system is basically pointless now, they just give you a bunch of nation blueprints that you’ll never be able to use because they reduced the amount of universal blueprints you can get. I’m out of universal blueprints but I have 50-150 national blueprints for each nation…
My friend was so excited for this when he first heard about it. He is new to the game and just got his first tier 10 tank. However, he really didn’t know what he was doing and he ended up grinding up a bad line and got one of the worst tier 10 tanks. He was excited for this because he thought he could exchange it for another one and fix his mistake. Now he isn’t even going to continue playing because he doesn’t want to waste the time grinding a new line.
I mean I get making a mistake sucks and there is no doubt that what WG is doing with this is dumb and greedy but if he doesn't want to continue playing because of this then he was likely going to quit regardless. Almost the entirety of the game is the grind. So not wanting to grind another tree is basically just not wanting to play the game.
I weep for him.... He was too weak to play here to start with ..
Thanks for being so honest and not A WG's spokesman. WG does nothing for inactive or small players.
This may be one of the most scummy and predatory things WG has done in a long, long time. Wow.
False advertising at its best ... gg WG
I am proud of myself a little, even before I watched this, my red flags went up when I saw the event video in the garage. Seems like I am learning something from QB after all this time :D
Everything WG does is a scam.
Well the first years they were great
Yeah. They've changed. I noticed the Russians made a copy of WG but better. Used the same mechanics but worked off of it etc
@@desi_panzica6474 Except Russians also made WoT lmao.
They should allow more than 1 trade in but make the first one free. Massive missed opportunity to bring people back or get people like me to play more
yea would ve actually checked it out again if i got a free swap but this just discouraged me even more xD scamgaming
14:35 You're absolutely right. At the beggining of the video I was genuenly excited that I could trade a tech tree I grinded but never used or liked (in my case it's the E50M, I don't like its bad dpm and high profile) for free, and come back to the game after a year or two... But no, in typical WG fashion they instead went for the money and wasted a great idea... At the end of the day it's their loss, the playerbase keeps getting smaller
It was stupid to think that at least one tec tree change was free.
As a 10 years F2P player I'm happy to see that this event is useless for me. Yes WG, with your blue prints system I've now researched every tank on every tech tree line apart the Czech lights so I don't need to trade anything. To other players : don't fall into the trap, play tanks you like, save free exp to skip or unlock modules to not play stock anymore and use as much blue prints as you can. Bonds worth way more than gold and the price for this exchange is crazy high
The idea of this almost made me come back, this video is helping me stay the hell away from this scam game
"Oh wow a unique event that let's me trade in that awful tech tree i didn't like for one I'd love to play? Might as well come back to the game after 3 years of not playing! ........wait what? I have to pay? and how much? yeah, nevermind."
i think personally it is a very bad deal. They might take into account that u can skip (trade) an entire line without gameplay time which might be very good for some good lines in exchange of some "bad" lines. but then they didnt take into account or gameplay time for said "bad lines" as someone who retired playing WOT i came back to see that if i were to switch any of my tier 10 lines to a line ive been wanting the most (K-91 medium line) i would need 15,700 gold without any other resources. i immediately closed the game after
When I heard of this event, I was like I'm in!
When I saw the cost, I was like I'm out!
i was so excited to trade my ST-II line for the EBR line, but then the reality descends
WG will bring this back in a better form soon. But would you really trade a good Heavy line for a very hard/ not great Light line?
At most I would trade just the Tier 10's (ST-II for EBR 105) and grind the Tier 6 to learn the gameplay. You could then even regrind the ST-II with the incredible IS-3-II.
@@theroyle7098 his choice if he don t like tank
The double barrel line is just not for me, I'd rather have a clip like the VZ. 55 line.
And I really doubt WG will make it 'better'
Honestly I hate that WG is being scummy about this but I'm glad to not see a million more wheelies about.
WG office 'Ok we are coming up to Christmas and need to clear out player's remaining gold, ideas?...'
Damn, the trade in was much cheaper on the test server, if i remeber correctly, the starting gold price was +-3000 gold
this also goes for some other things on test server, like battle pass (around 10 gold a stage instead of ~250)
if there's any gold price on an event on test server it's usually much higher on live server
Thank you for being honest and direct with wargaming and your viewers.
They really need to rework the prices.
Hahaha that's just ridiculous, for that price there's no tech tree that is valuable to do this. And the one that are interesting we certainly already have them. I'm really curious who would do that... We'll never know... But why any player would do that...
One for free would have been a nice gift, why not... But here it's just ridiculous.
And if it was one free I would exchange one of the best branch for the worse one, just that I can replay the good one and get rid of the bad one without playing it.
That makes sense. 😂
Okay, so the price point is absolutely ridiculous, but the idea isn't that bad. For example, if had a tree you grinded where you enjoyed most of the tanks, you could buy out a new tech tree for zero grind, and then re-enjoy unlocking tanks you liked playing. In my case I could un-research the swedish TD's get a tech tree like the Japanese sniper heavies, and then go back and enjoy grinding the Swedes. 8.5/10, would try it (if it wasn't so ridiculously expensive).
i thought this would actually be a good event, but this is wargaming we are dealing with here, no amount of excuses can justify this
Once again, thanks for the info QB. I figured this "Deal" would not be worth it, and suprise me not WG is true to form. And they threw in a dose of limited time only chance because they truely don't care about their player base. I am hoping Steel Aces can do to WOT what WOW did to EQ.
so they target free to play players which dont spend so much time to this game but price it like buying 2 premium tanks or they advice to spend bond like credits...
They marketing goupe failed hard
If it was free, I probably would have reinstalled. A chance to finally get the Maus without having to grind all the way up could have been really cool. But not for this price.
Excellent video and explanation; I was caught in the “trap” of wanting to give up my Patton line for a TVP T50/51. As I watched your video and the cost associated; I looked at my Škoda line and realized I already own the Škoda T-50. After your video, I’ll just grind it to the Tier X.
I wouldn't mind trading out my E100 tech tree for one of those artillery tech trees, that way I can experience grinding out one of my favourite lines again, and avoid grinding through the nightmare that is an arty line.
They are also doing a gold to free xp conversion rate of 1 gold for 50xp at the moment, which nullifies this offer even more.
In short, yes
If take in to account how slowly you can get bonds, these kinda trade-offs are just ridicilous... No one should fell for this. This could be called as scam without any hesitation... jeebus...
Price of the trade in is actually disgusting... They literally have no clue about the economy inside their own game, it's like they thought everyone sits at millions of bonds, I really hope people won't fall into this scam and WG realise their mistake, wtf...
Whats the point of the change if the price is almost as big as if you would just grind the xp. Quite stupid.
Thanks for the vid.
Strange event, won't even check it out.
why would you want to loose your crews, thats part of the biggest hurdle
Never take the "good exchange offer" from WG. It is always about milking you. I havn't been playing for a while and have couple of trees unresearched. However, if I play randoms for a while, most of these tanks will get automatically research by blueprints, only the modules will require exp/free exp.
I want to thank you for your insight and for helping us navigate through WG's murky waters ! Much love from France QB ! ❤
that amount of gold feels like a scam for someone, like me, that only buys 20/40 euros of xmas boxes to last 1/2 years.
And for those wondering, no, I do not have 10s of thousands of bonds to throw for skipping 1/2 weeks of grinding a new line.
Someone might have already mentioned it but their total cost to exchange the lines were changing with each resource they added. It went up from like 2000-3000 gold up to over 5000 gold before adding the bonds. The crossed out number is the total cost and not the discount.
Thank you, QB, for alerting us!!!
WG only traded 2 tanks, and Quick, you traded 5. That could be the % difference.
QB only traded 1 tank, the Rhino.
@@robertlocock5636He's trading the entire line.
This absolutely would have pulled me back into playing WoT for the next months - until i saw the unfeasible price. Thank you so much for the video Quacky, after that i didn't even bother to install the game again. I still prefer to get my dose of tanks from you instead
This is the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever.
I was thinking of getting rid of my french TD to get something else. I was excited when this concept was introduced but now I know it's expensive. Thanks QB for making this video.
I would have come back to the game if this is actually good but it's not. They made it too expensive to a point where no one is going to do it, and no old players like myself are coming back to spend money either, so their greed creates a lose lose situation for them. Typical WG
The players able to trade branches with just ingame recources have no need for it anyway, since they already have so many tech trees researched....
Its is basically a "pay XX.000 gold to trade", which is just a huge nono...
So this is done because... Probably a lot of players stick to their old researched tanks and dont bother grinding up the new trees... Due to often lack of exciting new tanks. The fact is. The best "best tank" in every possible metric, is already in the game. To prevent too much power creep. So anything new added to the game is per definition going to be kinda mediocre, middle-of-the-tree, and a bit boring to some that prefer their trusty old standard tanks.
WG really missed their customer base since its so expensive only player who played a LOT will get enough gold and bonds for it, only problem is that they already HAVE all the tanks, so it really help no one overall
For me, the base gold price started at about 10,000, and with about 16,000 free xp, all the blueprints, and 2,000 bonds brought it down to about 7,000 gold. Looking back, it was probably a rip-off, but it was nice to get rid of my Conqueror GC for a 268 (I already have the 268/4).
UNPOPULAR OPINION! I LOVE IT. I got to get rid of tank I absolutely freaking hated. I honestly wish WG gave us 2 trade in.
You could have just bought the gold and converted it to free XP. It's cheaper and you wouldn't have lost your other tech tree.
Glad you'll get a "good deal" thanks for the super chat!
9:00 This change smells of a greedy manager somewhere. When I saw the video I was excited, figured I might trade my Type 5 Heavy (which I got before all the HE nerfs) in and get the medium line using free experience, just like you pay for premium tank trade-ins in their normal currency, but they made it gold and limited other resources to 10% of the contribution. So thanks Wargaming for reminding me of why I quit the game several years ago, for a second there I was thinking of playing it.
For 16500 gold I can just exchange Experience Points and unlock a whole tree just like that...
Yes, the blueprint system is there. The only thing is, you only get national prints and next to nothing of the universal prints. So i have many prints i can not use.
I somehow have an idea that WG doesn't even want people to use this and instead a lot of people to convert free xp in the next free xp discount.
Well, in principle, everything you said is correct. The good thing is that you made a video where wargaming eats to extract as many resources as possible from the players. It's not a problem for Milim that they want to do it but they don't have to use the players that much. Those who want to wear tanks in a faster way should pay. What annoys me is that we older players, like you and others, spent time and nerves during the persistence of tank lines, and we only got drafts when they changed the whole system. Why didn't we get some benefits like a premium tank or similar? Because today's concept of wargaming is to explore lines as soon as possible.
I didn't hear WG mention anything about tanks modules being unlocked as part of the trade-in so if those are still all locked and need to be unlocked, that's a complete deal breaker imho since having to unlock every turret/tracks/engines/guns/radios is an extremely large amount of grinding with XP, or a huge additional waste of freexp. That would be an absolutely toxic discovery after already investing in a pretty bad deal anyway.
Personally, this is a system I wouldn't use. The time we spent grinding the tech trees, nothing will be able to get it back.
Not even WG can scam Quickybaby with false calculations. Thanks QB
I think the gold price is for the 5 tanks in the tech tree. If you trade in a tech tree with 4 tanks in the garage and 1 for research, the amount I get is 4000 Gold only.
WG : Ok we heard you.
No more 1:40 free xp exchange discount
even for free it would be a bad or only mid deal. you effectively lose your crews, you have to invest a lot into new crews, you lose your blueprint progress on the new line and you reset random blueprints on the old line instead of getting them for any newly introduced lines. for 16k gold? this is just the worst deal in WG history
Most important currency is Free EXP. You can skip modules and bad tanks in tech tree. Bonds just are there.
And that price is for the whole package. For me it's about 5000 gold without using blueprints etc.
It depends how many tanks you have, how much exp you need for new line and other factors I think.
So, yes it might be expensive in some cases but in others it may save you grind of boring and/or bad tanks in tech tree.I'm thinking about trading Kranvagn for 60TP or T110E5. For less than 5k gold I think it's worth considering
I got the VZ 55 using only free XP and blue prints. Did not buy a single tier I-IX tank to get it. Then WG nerfed the crap out of the 2 shell magazine gun literally within days of me acquiring it.
Glad I watched this video before I came back. Thanks QB.
Wow QB excellent presentation! Your spreadsheet skills are showing us the way. It will be tempting for some, but not for me. Embrace the old adage "Buyer Beware"... aka Montanajack
Merci pour votre honnêteté ! Je suis beaucoup de vos vidéos et j'aime également votre enthousiasme. WoT risque effectivement d'accélérer sa chute. Pourquoi suppriment ils définitivement les vieux comptes après quelques années d'inactivité? J'ai un ami qui a voulu s'y remettre mais WOT à supprimer son compte, et il leur a écrit sans succès. Il a donc perdu tous ses chars premium, toutes ses branches, ses tiers 10 ! Wot abime lui même ceux qui voudraient revenir !
When I saw the name of the video, I wanted to go back in for a few days. Then decided otherwise once I saw they are actually SELLING tech tree tanks, on top of removing your own.
id rather the option to trade in your lower tier for a discount on the next tank in the line so you can choose between buying it full price to have both lower and higher or trade in one you wont play again for a discount to help with the grinds
wow, youtube DE has not the dislikes shown. so i see them the first time in ur video at 1:23 and i am proud been one of them
I might have done this if the price was reasonable but 18k gold is a joke with minimal discount
Even in WGs video is was pricey. But as it dont take into account how much XP etc you already have on the tank for trade if you are already on the tier 9, or the total XP difference. It's a set price for everything reagdless. It's cheaper to convert XP for gold for most and complete the line that way.
It was more a necessity that I trade out a tech tree than wanted to. There’s one tank that I needed (FV3805) in order to complete the campaign missions
Cynical hat on, I think they're doing this for two reasons. First, as a litmus test to see how much the player base is willing to spend in order to fine tune pricing for future events/tanks. Second to see which tech tree line is the one most traded in - indicating which line they should buff next "I just traded in my British lights, what's that? They're getting buffed next patch and I'll have to regrind them?"
i was actually excited about this when i first heard it, because i always wanted the leopard, but didnt want to torture myself grinding up to T9
imagine my shock when i tried to trade my badger line for it and even with 10.000 bonds and the other resources maxed out it still asked me for around 3000-4000 gold
this is a complete fleece and has seriously soured my opinion of WG (moreso than it already was), its clearly NOT meant for new or f2p players, since it it unlikely for them to have this many resources to throw around in the first place
what a scam
QB I’ve recently learned its actually a thing called Russian Math that being said it’s not but a “Russian Number Generator” doin its thing
I was actually going to return to the game and trade in my proggeto. Safe to say im not returning any time soon if ever.
It seems the discount depends on the ammount of gold needed to pay. For me only to lose the tier X I needed to pay 114 Bonds while QB in the video paid 336 for 1%
Yeah that is way too pricey to get a new tech tree tank. Maybe it could be worth it, if it also transferred your crew to the new line, but no, you also have to pay more to do that or get a completely new one, if it's another faction.
This is so damn SHAMELESS. This is absolutely scummy from WG. I decided to see how much it would cost me to get a Rinoceronte by getting rid of my Obj 268 and I have to pay 50 national blueprints, 10 universal blueprints, 9500 free exp, 4000 bonds and 1269 gold coins. THIS IS GARBAGE WG
WG has found a way to "suck up resources" from player's account without adding any new content.... I guess we should congratulate this to them with "slow clap"... 😐
This one is just basically tank trading we had before. They charge gold and take away your old premium.
To you buffing point, I exchanged the Turtle on both NA and EU in a trade-in event a few weeks before they announced the buff. Very, very annoying!
Didn't even consider we'd have to pay for this
Yeah, I learned years ago to never use the trade in feature and if I might say so, the "hard" way. Where I traded my T34B for the Ravioli and I regret it ever since. This tech tree trade in seems more of the same and not for me, specially for bonds...That would be crazy!
@QuickyBaby you should try with the same lines that they are doing the example and check out the differences. Probably this will answer the real question with real facts from 8:56.
it would be cheaper to just research the tech tree normally, While it takes longer, you can make it free and by the time you get to the tier 10, your crew is pretty good. But yea that's insane
If you take full pize od 17900 and convert it with x40 multiplier it's more than 700000exp, so whole line. In practice you are trading two lines for one...
I dumped the T110E4 for the Obj. 268/4. For most that might seem like a bad move, but for my style I think it's a good move. Now just have to get use to the quirks of the 268/4 and figure out which equipment works best for me. My cost was 11,900 gold after giving up the national blue prints, which is fine because Holiday Ops is coming and my annual gold supply will get replenished. I think a better idea would be allowing me to trade 1 or 2, tier 6-10 instead of the whole line for gold. Example, the Japanese TD line only has 1 worth keeping, I would have preferred to keep that one and trade the rest for a different tech tree line. I would be happy to pay gold since I already have the premiums for gold that I want. There's not much else to spend gold on aside from converting xp to free xp. I wish WG would let me donate gold to my clan treasury or swap gold for bonds. But I don't see that happening.
The big issue I have as a long term player with a lot of premiums is that trying to grind a stock tank in any of these tech tree lines is absolute rage inducing torture. I can’t imagine being a new player to this game getting stuck into a tier 6 piece of crap tank and playing great players in their tier 8 Borrs game after game. WG needs to find a work around for that soul destroying experience or NA will fade away.
This has some actual potential unless you don’t have any tanks researched
I was going to trade in type 5 heavy for 60tp, but I’ve heard it’s not a bad grind and Quickybaby saying how they could maybe buff it later down the line