Everyone commenting here about limiting 'this and that' is EXACTLY how to exclude people from the competition world. Everyone wants to create this handicap for better shooters. Guess what? None of the other shooters are going to beat the top 5, 10, etc anyway. Get over it. Limits on gun, ammo, etc. further pigeon hole shooters who are interested. Solution? No limits and no divisions, only carry/shoot what you bring. 24 lb rifle, go ahead. 12 lbs rifle, go ahead. 223, sure. 300 WM, why not? NRL Hunter is already dead before the end of the first season anyway. Numbers show that... And btw, half this stuff won't work at a hunter match... Bungee bag... Come on.
Just went to an NRL hunter match. I carry an alps bino harness with Sig kilo 3000s that aren’t clipped in to the harness so I can carry them with the cover fixed then uncover to pull them out and range, then set to side so they aren’t in my way shooting prone. I keep a grease pen and a normal pen on the side of the bino harness. Grease pen for writing on my arm band. I then have my kestrel around my neck and I’ll take wind readings periodically to get rough wind speeds. I’ll also shoot then adjust the wind speed in the kestrel after the stage based on what I see when shooting to have info for the next stage. In my pack I carry my tripod with a plate, schemdium game changer, wiebad mini range cube, Ammo, spare mag, rags, spare writing utensils, lens cleaners, and tools. Also water and food for the day. This last match I mostly only used my tripod and schmedium game changer for shooting. I used my wiebad bag once as a rear support. I didn’t see the need for another bag only a more sturdy tripod and/or a triple pull ckye pod
@@RangerCaptain11A For accuracy of data, the kestrel is definitely more accurate. For reliability, paper cards are certainly more reliable. I had no issues with connectivity with the kestrel, but I kept a backup paper card on the pack side of my armband just in case
Thank you for the video. Could we get some more information about the tac table overall dimensions and maybe a short story on how you fabricated it. Thank you
I would recommend getting some OBi-links for carrying your rifle or tripod. It's just a male-female detent system to snap your rifle or whatever you want onto and off of your pack real, real fast
I sure like the Fix it Sticks tool kit I sold my Wheeler Fat Wrench and replaced it with Fix it Sticks. I’ve used it to put scopes on my Nitrofire and Sako S20 Hunter. The All in One Torque Driver works awesome.
I agree with other commenters that more needs to be done to address equipment, specifically the rifle. I think there needs to be a maximum weight based on the caliber choice, larger calibers can have more weight. I don't think 6.5 CM should be banned as it is a legit hunting cartridge, but I think it should be the minimum caliber. Max rifle weight at this caliber should be 10-12 lbs as fired (optic, bipod, attachments, etc, no magazine). Only one support item should be allowed per stage (bipod, pack, tripod, sling, bag etc). I've used all these things in various hunting situations, but generally only 1 at a time. I think all matches should have at least 1 stage that is sling-only for support. If you want to make it ultra-realistic, wait until the shooter has to pee or poop and then start the stage, preferably with wet boots.
Curious as to your reasoning on 6.5cm being the minimum allowed caliber. 243 has filled many a freezer over the years, mine included, and that is a 6mm. I've seen everything frome rabbits to elk taken with said cartridge and have personally put several old muley bucks in the freezer with it.
@@WyitAlan The problem with 6mm/.243 is not with legitimacy as a hunting round (it's proven as you point out) but the fact that if you allow it, you have to allow the 6mm benchrest cartridges that dominate PRS (6mm BR, BRA, XC, Dasher, etc). I'd even be open to restricting NRL Hunter to 7mm and/or 150 gr bullet weight minimum for this reason. The last PRS match that I shot, the highest that a Tactical (.308 Win) competitor finished was 29th. That was a Pro shooter with a full competition gun that barely broke the top 30. With this Hunter series, if you want to grow the class and make it interesting and relevant, I think it's important to keep out the benchrest cartridges. Make recoil management and improvised, minimally supported positions the focus of the contest. If you wanted to REALLY level the field, approach the ammo manufacturers and see if they would offer a sealed box factory loading that was required for the match. No hand loads.
@@vettepilot427 these are all great ideas! I'd say have a long action or magnum bolt face as the "minimum". And a non supported stage would be awesome.
@@kirkmartin2223 One thing you have to be careful of with magnum calibers is wear and tear on the targets. That’s the reason that they have a max velocity rule in most divisions.
I'd love to see a person run a match with a 300prc or 7stw or 300rum. An actual big game cartridge or at least something bigger than the 6.5needmoor. Just to see what would happen.
All 3 of those cartridges you listed are going to be running real close to the velocity limit not to mention they are expensive to shoot and at least 2 of them are awful hard on barrels.
I'd like to see an match or exercise with real world hunting rifles (cartridges more powerful than 6.5 Needmoore) that are a major power factor. An stock rifle competition would be interesting Also carrying a sandbag rest isn't realistic. A tripod could be carried but that's borderline unrealistic hunting. This is an fascinating exercise and far far more useful and of interest than PRS stages and flat ranges. The terrain makes it realistic and worthwhile but it needs an unsupported positional shooting stage incorporated into it.
I shoot NRL hunter just like i hunt, i am using a 8oz cole-tac mini cuddle bag and a 280 AI rifle in a grayboe Phoenix stock the whole gun with scope weighs in at 10.5 lbs.
@Travis Fox Tripods have come so far in the last few years, you don't have to carry a PRS tripod to shoot off of for hunting. Leupold Makes a fantastic tripod that is very light weight and small enough to fit in most packs yet ridged enough to put a 13 LB gun on and shoot off of.
@Travis Fox That depends on location location location. You ain't hoofing around half that junk or an all up 10 pound rifle in backcountry areas like that around the North Cascades, or something like Central Idaho wilderness. That doesn't happen if your on foot and self propelled. You can hunt coyotes and agriculture deer in front country areas but size, weight, efficiency need to come together in rugged areas. Your precision skill exercises in these hunter type matches have definite benefits and it's why I find it at least interesting. Still I see in all these firearm games certain crutches that eliminate the human equation. There's an sweet spot where the skill, equipment, and capability component come together for that efficiency.
but you could hunt with this stuff. after a hunter match you gain experience and you can cut down your gear. these matches are spread over two days with at least 12 scenarios that show the game animals in that area.
With 40gn and 55gn projectile it would not be a great choice. With an 8 twist you can run 75s and 80s and it would be pretty good, But most matches have velocity cap that would limit the capabilities of even those lighter bullets. A seven twist would be best running 88s, 90s and 95s. Take a look at 22 creedmoor with a 1 in 7 twist. The performance is excellent the recoil is low, But the barrel life will be shorter.
Everyone commenting here about limiting 'this and that' is EXACTLY how to exclude people from the competition world. Everyone wants to create this handicap for better shooters. Guess what? None of the other shooters are going to beat the top 5, 10, etc anyway. Get over it.
Limits on gun, ammo, etc. further pigeon hole shooters who are interested. Solution? No limits and no divisions, only carry/shoot what you bring. 24 lb rifle, go ahead. 12 lbs rifle, go ahead. 223, sure. 300 WM, why not?
NRL Hunter is already dead before the end of the first season anyway. Numbers show that...
And btw, half this stuff won't work at a hunter match... Bungee bag... Come on.
The only thing I think you’re missing is a med kit. Ya never know.
Just went to an NRL hunter match. I carry an alps bino harness with Sig kilo 3000s that aren’t clipped in to the harness so I can carry them with the cover fixed then uncover to pull them out and range, then set to side so they aren’t in my way shooting prone. I keep a grease pen and a normal pen on the side of the bino harness. Grease pen for writing on my arm band. I then have my kestrel around my neck and I’ll take wind readings periodically to get rough wind speeds. I’ll also shoot then adjust the wind speed in the kestrel after the stage based on what I see when shooting to have info for the next stage. In my pack I carry my tripod with a plate, schemdium game changer, wiebad mini range cube, Ammo, spare mag, rags, spare writing utensils, lens cleaners, and tools. Also water and food for the day. This last match I mostly only used my tripod and schmedium game changer for shooting. I used my wiebad bag once as a rear support. I didn’t see the need for another bag only a more sturdy tripod and/or a triple pull ckye pod
as you range, what is your method for your ballistics?
@@RangerCaptain11A my Kestrel has ballistics on it and it bluetooths to my Sig Kilo 3000s
@@Deerslayer1912 thanks. so is using electronics more reliable than paper range cards?
@@RangerCaptain11A For accuracy of data, the kestrel is definitely more accurate. For reliability, paper cards are certainly more reliable. I had no issues with connectivity with the kestrel, but I kept a backup paper card on the pack side of my armband just in case
Thank you for the video. Could we get some more information about the tac table overall dimensions and maybe a short story on how you fabricated it. Thank you
I would recommend getting some OBi-links for carrying your rifle or tripod. It's just a male-female detent system to snap your rifle or whatever you want onto and off of your pack real, real fast
I sure like the Fix it Sticks tool kit I sold my Wheeler Fat Wrench and replaced it with Fix it Sticks. I’ve used it to put scopes on my Nitrofire and Sako S20 Hunter. The All in One Torque Driver works awesome.
I agree with other commenters that more needs to be done to address equipment, specifically the rifle. I think there needs to be a maximum weight based on the caliber choice, larger calibers can have more weight. I don't think 6.5 CM should be banned as it is a legit hunting cartridge, but I think it should be the minimum caliber. Max rifle weight at this caliber should be 10-12 lbs as fired (optic, bipod, attachments, etc, no magazine). Only one support item should be allowed per stage (bipod, pack, tripod, sling, bag etc). I've used all these things in various hunting situations, but generally only 1 at a time. I think all matches should have at least 1 stage that is sling-only for support.
If you want to make it ultra-realistic, wait until the shooter has to pee or poop and then start the stage, preferably with wet boots.
Curious as to your reasoning on 6.5cm being the minimum allowed caliber. 243 has filled many a freezer over the years, mine included, and that is a 6mm. I've seen everything frome rabbits to elk taken with said cartridge and have personally put several old muley bucks in the freezer with it.
@@WyitAlan The problem with 6mm/.243 is not with legitimacy as a hunting round (it's proven as you point out) but the fact that if you allow it, you have to allow the 6mm benchrest cartridges that dominate PRS (6mm BR, BRA, XC, Dasher, etc). I'd even be open to restricting NRL Hunter to 7mm and/or 150 gr bullet weight minimum for this reason. The last PRS match that I shot, the highest that a Tactical (.308 Win) competitor finished was 29th. That was a Pro shooter with a full competition gun that barely broke the top 30.
With this Hunter series, if you want to grow the class and make it interesting and relevant, I think it's important to keep out the benchrest cartridges. Make recoil management and improvised, minimally supported positions the focus of the contest. If you wanted to REALLY level the field, approach the ammo manufacturers and see if they would offer a sealed box factory loading that was required for the match. No hand loads.
@@vettepilot427 these are all great ideas! I'd say have a long action or magnum bolt face as the "minimum". And a non supported stage would be awesome.
@@kirkmartin2223 One thing you have to be careful of with magnum calibers is wear and tear on the targets. That’s the reason that they have a max velocity rule in most divisions.
@@vettepilot427 ok then we can call it the "targets be dammed" division haha. I just want to see a guy competing with a 6.5x300wby dang it!!!
I would add a pump pillow of some sort and that’s it.
I'd love to see a person run a match with a 300prc or 7stw or 300rum. An actual big game cartridge or at least something bigger than the 6.5needmoor. Just to see what would happen.
can you do that and keep the weight under 16 pounds?
@Travis Fox for sure! And that's why it probably doesn't happen lol
All 3 of those cartridges you listed are going to be running real close to the velocity limit not to mention they are expensive to shoot and at least 2 of them are awful hard on barrels.
@@WyitAlan most definitely inefficient and expensive. And I'd honestly forgotten about the "speed limit". It would hard on targets but fun to watch!
@@kirkmartin2223 agreed! The stw is a pet cartridge among my family! Not my first choice but will always have a sentimental place with me
I have the same bag I love it.
Trouble with my feet now. Maybe I'll be ready for a elk hunt next year. Hopefully.
Layers for hunting, at least here in WY
I'm interested in getting involved with these matches, where would one go read up and get involved in these matches
I'd like to see an match or exercise with real world hunting rifles (cartridges more powerful than 6.5 Needmoore) that are a major power factor. An stock rifle competition would be interesting Also carrying a sandbag rest isn't realistic. A tripod could be carried but that's borderline unrealistic hunting. This is an fascinating exercise and far far more useful and of interest than PRS stages and flat ranges. The terrain makes it realistic and worthwhile but it needs an unsupported positional shooting stage incorporated into it.
I shoot NRL hunter just like i hunt, i am using a 8oz cole-tac mini cuddle bag and a 280 AI rifle in a grayboe Phoenix stock the whole gun with scope weighs in at 10.5 lbs.
It’s a game. If you don’t like the game, play a different game. If you can’t kill things with a 6.5 Creedmoor, you have bigger issues than sand bags.
@Travis Fox Tripods have come so far in the last few years, you don't have to carry a PRS tripod to shoot off of for hunting. Leupold Makes a fantastic tripod that is very light weight and small enough to fit in most packs yet ridged enough to put a 13 LB gun on and shoot off of.
@Travis Fox That depends on location location location. You ain't hoofing around half that junk or an all up 10 pound rifle in backcountry areas like that around the North Cascades, or something like Central Idaho wilderness. That doesn't happen if your on foot and self propelled.
You can hunt coyotes and agriculture deer in front country areas but size, weight, efficiency need to come together in rugged areas. Your precision skill exercises in these hunter type matches have definite benefits and it's why I find it at least interesting. Still I see in all these firearm games certain crutches that eliminate the human equation. There's an sweet spot where the skill, equipment, and capability component come together for that efficiency.
Carrying around a bag isn't realistic and a 10lb gun is heavy? Yikes. 😂
You would take all that hunting. I take almost none of that stuff. That’s way too much weight. That rifle would be way to heavy to take hunting.
but you could hunt with this stuff. after a hunter match you gain experience and you can cut down your gear. these matches are spread over two days with at least 12 scenarios that show the game animals in that area.
Looks interesting, but what does NRL stand for?
National Rifle League. Google the matches. They’re pretty sweet
@@Deerslayer1912 thank you, looks fun. I even went to their website and still could see what it meant.
what bullet holder is that?
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Is 22 250 good prs match cartrige?
With 40gn and 55gn projectile it would not be a great choice. With an 8 twist you can run 75s and 80s and it would be pretty good, But most matches have velocity cap that would limit the capabilities of even those lighter bullets.
A seven twist would be best running 88s, 90s and 95s.
Take a look at 22 creedmoor with a 1 in 7 twist. The performance is excellent the recoil is low, But the barrel life will be shorter.
@@HS-qt3jr thank you