Paqueta Career in Ruins | West Ham Playmaker Facing a 10 Year Ban if Found Guilty
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- West Ham's Lucas Paqueta could be facing the end of his football career if found guilty of betting allegations. The FA has charged Paqueta with alleged breaches of betting rules, which could result in a ban from football for up to 12 years.
The FA has been investigating suspicious betting activity surrounding three bookings Paqueta received last year for almost nine months. This shocking development puts Paqueta's future in serious jeopardy, and fans are left wondering what will happen next.
Join us as we delve into the details of the allegations, the FA's investigation, and the potential impact on Paqueta's career and West Ham United. Don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more updates on this developing story.
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Speaking generally, when there is so much money to be made through betting, corruption follows - we've seen it in other sports, too, such as cricket. To my mind, it stinks when SkySports and other channels promote betting and then feign indignation when it comes to light, and besides the whole corruption aspect, there are plenty os stories of individuals whose addiction has ruined their lives. And the Government rakes in the betting tax. Spoiling the game.
Beautifully put. I salute you.
there's no financial incentive for a footballer to do this though, unlike other sports. They get paid a fortune & their pay isnt even reliant upon winning.
Might just be something more sinister here. Pressured into this. Organised crime . Threats to his family. Who knows what happens in Brazil. Just a thought.
I thought the same with the snooker. Too many involved, all Chinese, so I feel there's something going on there. Two of them were great players and had great careers ahead. Money. Money ruins so much.
My thoughts too.
Very few top sportspeople need to become embroiled in these practices for money.
Exactly what I was thinking. Who knows
Get your tin foil hats out
Thought the same
In my opinion Paqueta already paid his £50m back when he did that ball roll and threaded through ball to Bowen in the final.
The silver lining. Well done my friend
Turn it in.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Unfortunately true in our eyes but it didn’t make us that much
A great moment really was, but moving forward having to replace a 50m player will hurt the team and budget going forward with this new westham feeling
Do you think the drop in form in the last few months was because he knew this was coming?
Makes you wonder don't it
No doubt,he has looked a shadow of his former self
Thought the same
Yes.
Thought the same
Ok, bit of a long post but hope this helps. When the allegations first came up, I spoke to a friend of mine who is a football lawyer and works for several Premier League clubs (not WH). He didn’t know anything about the actual case, but he did tell me how serious the allegations were because spot fixing is a criminal offence (unlike Toney) In his opinion, Paqueta was in big trouble because the FA would not have even bothered investigating unless there was firm evidence. Also Man City would have been aware as we would have been obliged to inform them by laws governing transfers
I always knew this would come back to bite us . Ignore the nature of the 4 bookings themselves - these do not constitute evidence even if they look quite damning. You cannot prove somebody has deliberately sought to be booked.
Obviously bookmakers have records of strange patterns and would have alerted the FA to this,but this is also inconclusive as you could argue he got booked regularly & the punter was simply lucky
I just spoke to my friend again and he believes Paqueta will be found guilty because the person who made the bets in Brazil on his behalf has confessed and they have seen messages on his phone etc. This is quite likely as that person was probably offered a plea bargain deal. In other words, the FA would not have gone ahead and made these charges until Paqueta was grassed up. Its his word v the other guy. But if there is a paper trail this means he will be found guilty. Not only will his football career effectively end, but he could and probably will face arrest in Brazil and possibly here.
Sadly we are fucked. we will never get the money from his transfer required to replace him, and we won’t see him play for us again. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Unless he gets injured in a match surely insurance claim
Belmarsh will have a great 5 a side team
@@alldone1116 Best bet is to claim duress and say his family was in danger - we won;t get a penny if he is banned unless we sack him and save contract money, No insurance against this sadly
Get in a decent LW, play Kudus through the centre and Bowen out right and we look dangerous even without Paquetá. Glass half full moment.
Apart from the fact that we now won't have £80m to buy those players.
And the fact Kudus isn’t a striker
Totally agree. Kudus being the CAM could really unlock him. Looking forward to seeing what this coaching staff can come up with without Paqueta. Almost have to treat this like a career-ending injury to the guy and go from there.
@@kevinbarker7915 85*, and I still expect to see WH spend close to 100M this summer. Well in with FFP now and can operate somewhere around 190M at a LOSS this season. That's after ticket revenue, concessions, etc., etc., etc.
The FA will be aware of whether SUBSTANTIAL bets were placed on Paqueta getting booked in games he didn't get booked, and whether those bets were placed by people connected to him, be it immediately or by proxy.
If lots of money was lost on multiple games that he didn't end up getting booked, then he may very likely be innocent and in my view should be given the benefit of the doubt.
If large bets were only placed on those four games then it doesn't look good for him.
I don't know if I would be super targeted on those 4 games rather than an overall view of the season or whole time in the EPL. It doesn't take much to wind him up, and for all we know someone was dripping poison in his ear on the phone, or had a fight with his wife and he was lashing out. I'm a pretty big perk, and I gaurentee you, it wouldn't take much to wind me up before a game and before the whistle blows, I know I'm getting a card. I'm a kids coach now, and there are certain other coaches that always get me carded because they play dirty.
@@grege8318 Sure, but the question for me is not the likelihood of him getting booked, it's whether 'substantial' bets were indeed placed on those particular games in which he did get get booked, and secondly if large bets were placed on him getting booked when it transpired that he didn't. I don't know if he's guilty or not, I only know that the FA have enough evidence to suspect him of being guilty. Suppose we just have to wait and see.
I just want to know how they are gonna prove it. He turned in his phone right away, but absent a recording of his calls, or text messages left on the phone like an amateur, just making phone calls isn't enough to do anything. Especially if he's calling half a dozen people a day back home. He can't be responsible for what happens at home if he don't know. The other thing is define substantial bet. 2500 bucks could be life altering in Brazil in a small place, but he makes 20 times that a week, so he could pay off his entire family's debts by Xmas. Unless there's a mob extortion thing going on, and there needs to be something put in place by FIFA about that, especially with more and more mega players coming from poor countries......
@@grege8318 You answered your own question there - 2500 placed by an average Brazilian would be a substantial amount. It's not Paqueta being accused of placing the bets, but people on Paqueta Island, but where that money is coming from or who exactly is placing the bets is something we're not privvy to, nor are we privvy to what evidence the FA think they have about LC's involvement.
I agree that he could just give his money away and be above board, but sure enough, we as outsiders are well outta the loop.
If there's mob involvement then that's something that Lucas needs to come clean about because if that's indeed the case, it's something that FIFA along with law enforcement do need to investigate.
@StonyStevenson75 yeah man, 1000% but the FA I'd targeting g him and his immediate family, not just random people on his home island. I a. Super willing to bet there's criminal activity, just not directly tied to him and his. FIFA needs to step in publicly and do something about the threats against players families from gangsters. You would have to be a hell of a player to move half your village to Europe and keep them all alive and cared for without being a superstar, and then there's always another person to chase for money. You never met your grandmother's sister but half your family is begging you to take the dive to save someone that half the family knows and loves. Hard to say no to that. I'm hopeful that we will see him cleared. Certainly didn't seem to be super different this year, so who knows. But FIFA has to do something because no one else is and we r seeing more and more players coming from places where 1 years salary for a first team bench player at city is enough to live forever like a king back home in Ghana or the Ivory coast. Same in South America, and like I said, there's always gonna be a hot button to push to make mobsters money. You see a lot of ex partners extorting players as well. Don't know if that's on players being bigger assholes or people being bigger thieves
God that escalates so fast I thought I would be a year or 2 max
For Matchfixing?
If we can’t have him…NO ONE is having him!
Bro, your team lost 70 Milions for cannot sell him.
🤣❤it!
@@thelittlepikachu8241who cares he might win this and still no one wants him and he stays with us for the rest of he's career.
@@scottbarnard4659 He win, your club lose him to City for 70M. He lose, you club lose him for nothing.
@@thelittlepikachu8241 yes but we could keep him for another season and still gain 70 million. And who knows with City 115 charges what is City outcome. He might be innocent and in the end stay at West Ham.
The FA cannot drop surprises on Paquetta, they have to let him know in advance what evidence they will be presenting.
Also if found guilty I doubt it will stop there. This isn’t a legal charge but you can bet (ha) that Paquetta will challenge legally if found guilty. Didn’t City do something similar to EUFA? The FA can convict if they have reasonable suspicion but that isn’t good enough legally. Looking a bit dodgy isn’t enough in a real court where I suspect this will end up.
Agree, I don’t want Geo as my defence lawyer 😂 the prosecutors have a duty of disclosure, which requires them to provide the defence with all relevant information and evidence that may be helpful, even if it hurts the prosecutor's case and prosecutor must give you a copy of all the relevant evidence against you before the date of your trial. Relevant evidence means anything that you could use to defend.
The beautiful thing about City's problems is that it's an FA charge rather than a legal one. All 115 breaches are in FA conduct, not law, so they can not be challenged legally. Paquéta if he is guilty, could face legal trouble. City can't take the FA to court, it's up to the FA to recognize city as a team in the first place. They have every right to throw City out of the FA, and no repercussions. Private organization. (You can tell I hate City). Lol.
I didn't realize he came from a small island and all these big bets came directly from there. Defiantly looks dodgy. Was probably helping out some mates back home and has now lost his career over it.
Nor did I, I’ve just read up about the group of islands, fascinating stuff if you’re interested.
No excuses players know the rules. Enough of them have been banned recently.
Yep deffo this. Probably tryna help out this mates without doing blatant handouts. Awareness is key.
If this is the case he has acted as a fool and as such his career is over and we should take him to the cleaners, because he has sullied our football club.
Didn’t granit Xhaka get away with spot fixing ?
Ludicrous that paqueta could have brought a Brazilian following and "BETWAY" being on the clubs shirt could give the fellow paqueta island people an idea to dip into betway?
Moyes should be investigated for the 70+ goals conceded.
Paqueta would have the best legal team around him, surely if they thought they had something on paqueta they’d tell him to plead guilty?
Paqueta is toast. There is no way, after over a year, that the F.A. would have charged him if they didn’t have the evidence.
While City evade this type of thing every year
@@stephenboyd4934 city are spot fixing are they? Turn it in grandma
@@DC-uf6ve what City are doing is worse Paqueta was a naughty boy, city are serial killers in comparison.
@@stephenboyd4934 totally different issues. City are accused of making hidden payments & manipulating FFP submissions.
Paqueta is accused of taking deliberate bookings to spot fix & defraud bookmakers.
One is “lying” (City) & one is “match fixing” (Paqueta).
That is what logic suggests, but i can't even imagine what kind of hard evidence they might have.
Ivan Toney didn't get a year for 1000s of bets against his own team
To win totally different,
Betting on anything football related is wrong but there are levels to this.
Betting on an outcome to win is wrong even though that's what players are playing to do.
Betting on an outcome to loose is potentially match fixing and spot fixing is getting carded or sent off and makes betters insane odds so is looked at very seriously. This could be career ending and potentially could result in prison time because that is a criminal act.
For several months I have indicated my personal opinion in various discussions that, for me and solely in my opinion, something was not quite right with some of West Ham's performances this season. Even the results pattern, especially for the second half of the season, should be questioned in my opinion.
If a player is proved to be a bad apple, and IMHO the FA will need to find out where, and to whom, the payments/benefits were made, I would be very surprised if he is the only one in the barrel.
I would be even more surprised if none of his teammates did not realize something was going on?
Add to that the alleged involvement of (of all people) West Ham's major sponsor Betway and this could blow up into one of the biggest scandals in British football history.
The funny thing is,when the fa were looking into charging paqueta,the 4 bookings they are looking at was after they said charges could be made.
Gonzo -you are resembling Duke Caboom from Toy Story 4 😅
😂 👏
Unfortunately I think Paqueta is finished. What a shame and what a waste of a career.
I'm sure somehow Saudi FC can afford it
I think if found guilty the FA will throw the book at him....... He will be hit to the maximum to show that this is what's going to happen to anyone who does this in the future.
I hope I'm wrong, but my gut feeling is that this will be the end of his career.
Doesn’t look too good for sponsor Betway either, club should reconsider if they still want them on the strip.
Not a surprise? I remember Gonzo talking about the Paqueta investigation last summer!
I believe FA has a high and difficult burden of proof to meet, as it's subjectively assessed. We'll see!
If found guilty he will never play again the ban would be very long 6 plus years
Pure greed I’m afraid isn’t 100k + a week enough for someone who’s come from nothing.
I agree, however it looks like it’s for his friends rather than himself.
Probably had a what’s app group with his pals and told them all to back him to get booked to earn them some wonga.
@@jimmyburch87 I get you but this is the premier league and West Ham not a back street team in Brazil where it probably goes on every week, I’ve watched the videos now and it looks well dodgy.
Paqueta is just another Payet he would fk off to city in a heartbeat,if he’s guilty he owes the club his transfer fee, all this bollox on here about he’s paid his dues to us with 1 pass , or he’s under the influence of a crime family to get bookings, I’ve supported this club 45 years and some of our fan base are turning into sympathetic melts
I'm oddly ambivalent. I think Paqueta has been good in patches, but also an embarrassment in greater patches (diving, nasty fouls, laziness etc).
West Ham will have no choice and sue Paqueta if he’s found guilty
The FA must have something on him.i hope his clean but we wish him well. After 9 months its clear they have something on him
The max you can bet as a new customer is 200 pounds. Looking at that and working out how many people live on the island, the earnings from this would be minimal. Maybe 100,000 if two hundred people bet on him to get booked.
The sums don't add up.
Without sounding biased….. it shouldn’t take this long for charges to be brought on circumstantial evidence.
Let's wait till the verdict before we are writing he's obiterty
May be I'm just clutching at straws, but it seems to me that if there was strong evidence against Pacqueta these charges would have been brought long ago, not just after his people had started to show impatience with the length of the delay to making a decision. That may be just a coincidence of course, but it could mean that they don't really have a case. Even if he is guilty it is difficult to imagine what evidence they might have, short of a betting sling in his handwriting or phone records linking him to the people who had placed the suspicious bets. Only time will tell; let's hope it's not too much time.
Something else to think about that I’m not sure has been highlighted is the possible outcome of our season and results as some of he’s tackles that were yellow could of easily been red which could of got him match bans which would of impacted our league position which spring to mind don’t bite the hand that feeds you, cheating us fans and the club 😡⚒️⚒️⚒️
How do we approach the transfer window now. Shit storm.
If FA find him guilty, do the likes of UEFA and FIFA then do their own investigations, or just accept the FA's judgement?
been telling u guys earthy is & will be a legend. trust me. my son has played with him for years!
Might be a blessing. Good chance to get the young lads rolling. If paqueta is that dodgy, we don't want him at the club. Innocent until proven guilty though. I thought losing 40 quid on the slots today was bad.
Find it hard to find a positive considering we were expecting him to be gone in the summer anyway and have £85m in the kitty.
@@zanussidish5685 I honestly think Lopetegui and Tim are going to bring the best out of our club no matter what the team sheet says.
@@AbitLippy I agree but not knowing whether you have the money or the player isn't a positive.
@@zanussidish5685 yeah interesting couple of weeks ahead. Backs against the walls mould great people though.
My guess is the FA don’t have actual evidence that connects him. The case was brought because of the deadline and they are hoping that a trial exposes him rather than they have concrete evidence.
If they had actual evidence they would have brought it to Paquetas team a while ago and they would have pleaded guiltily to try and get a shorter ban. Just like Toney and Tonali.
I think the FA need to be seen to prosecute in order to make sure people don’t try this. So I’m not surprised they go through anyway.
I don’t think any of this will stick even if he did do it because it’s actually a crime not some civil matter. So proof has to be water tight (or he admits it).
He can be sanctioned on civil law (with lower burden of proof) and fined/banned. And then separately fail to be made guilty on criminal law. The two verdicts don't have to match.
Most famously see OJ Simpson, innocent of murder at criminal trial but then responsible in civil court and fined $34m. Yes, it's America but the principle is the same in the UK.
@@SethBartonSEF yes. Say he gets banned and loses his career for 10 yrs. if the two cases don’t match we are saying a man is guilty of criminal behaviour but not tried in a criminal court? The CPS would have to prosecute as a crime has happened. At which point the FA would have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he did this. If they lose that then he can go back to court and ask for the FA to overturn their ban and pay damages.
They actually need evidence or a confession or it’s a no go in the long run. This can’t be an internal matter for the fa and just some breaching of rules that they have. At the end of the day this is an actual crime and will be dealt with as such.
@@SuperALBSURE No, we would not be saying he is guilty of criminal behaviour. He would be liable under civil law and the punishment (10 year ban) would be civil, not criminal. Civil law and criminal law are 2 separate things - it is entirely possible for a person to be liable under civil law but not criminal law. Winning in a criminal case does not overturn the civil law decision
@@jamesgunn7 I just don’t understand how the FA are saying something illegal has happened which is a crime and yet not refer it to a criminal court? There’s one thing to bring a civil claim over a business dispute but this is actually a crime they are talking about here. It doesn’t make much sense to me at all.
Thought lopa 's interview was positive especially with steiten but this is bollox not the start of things we need
I wonder if they paid out the bets?
Can we not sue him for loss of transfer fee ??
If he is found guilty we can sue him for contract breaches
No as that's pie in the sky but his contact is a different puppy. He abused his connection with the club & his contract. But saying this the FA are as bent as a ten bob note, just look at the way City are treated compared too other clubs.
Even if we could he’s not gonna have 50 million quid spare is he. Especially if he can’t work for 10 years.
I don't know how you can connect getting a card with fixing the results of a game when so many cards are given out on a regular basis week in week out
And bet was when he will get a yellow card that not match fixing
Is bettin West Ham to lose and he miss a sitter or scores an own goal you could push getting sent off but not picking up a yellow card
Its very easy because they look at betting patterns by time, amount and location and if there is a spike in betting compared to usual in a certain location, certain time and the amount people are betting then the connections from players to that area or group will be looked at, you can't hide your online footprint very well from authorities in this day and age.
A storm in a tea cup. It will blow over and he could well be at West Ham for at least another season while the thing goes through its process, which would be good news for the fans.
the only thing i have heard of similar was Matt Le Tissier talking about deliberately kicking the ball into touch from the kick off but he had already retired by the time he admitted it .
You're wrong about how the rules of evidence work. They cannot try to surprise Paquetta with evidence at the hearing, just as in a criminal procedure in this country you cannot be charged with an offence and not furnished with the full details of the evidence against you. This is part of your right to defend the evidence presented in a fair tribunal - the discovery process. If they don't furnish him in advance with the full ability to defend himself, CAS would in eventuality, probably overturn the result.
Paqueta, now he has been charged, should be furnished with all the evidence against him so that he can mount a fair defence.
West Ham; never boring except on the pitch!
Ahahah RIP Moyesaurus
When do we get the verdict?
If he is found guilty, what happens to the club and the contract?
Gonzo and Geo, you need to consider all yellow cards given to players in other teams, for comparison purposes, and how many of these were incurred unnecessarily. It is always easy to find something adrift. How many times, after excessive delays, have VAR reviewed many issues leading to a goal, to possibly discover some erroneous action somewhere in the build up. This is not saying he is definitely innocent, but rather commenting that investigating in depth, can always find some fault. Innocent until properly proved guilty by actual hard evidence, and not mere conjecture.
Even watching the games where he got booked I thought he got the cards on purpose, what a waste and what a financial loss for the club.
Honestly, every time we look like we are moving forward....
A bookmaker loses some money. Doesn't like it, contacts the FA to complain. Do bookmakers go to the FA every time they lose money. One of the bookings wasn't even a booking, is the referee in on it too. There have been similar allegations over the years that have come to nothing.
If he's found guilty and banned , would the club attempt to sue him for loss of earnings?
I just can't fathom why on earth paqueta would do such things - he i s a multi millionaire, he has got so much money he will not be able to spend it all in his lifetime - why? It makes a little more sense with tonali and toney as they had gambling addictions, but this is so strange - almost to the point where you would think paqueta was bribed into it - why else would he risk his career over this?
At risk of sounding mean, latinos be like that.
In that, they grow up and live in a world where corruption is rife, inequality is rife, people who bend the rules never seem to be held to account and ‘the rules’ themselves are seen more as minor inconveniences to circumnavigate than things to obey. Which isn’t a bad thing. If I grew up in a world like that, I’d probably do the same.
I doubt he made any money from it himself. Probably done it to help out friends/family.
Too many coincidences for me; why it has taken 9 months to compile a case is a mystery but his agents poked the tiger and the tiger was not going to back down; they may live to regret that if the FA were hesitating.
Wonder what FA action would have been taken, had transfer to Man City gone through. Always easier to attack those in less defensive positions. Even if guilty, which is currently debatable, a yellow card does not fix the game result, it could only result in a betting yellow card issue, unless Paqueta actually got sent off. Surely given Paqueta earnings, and even greater potential earnings at Man City, how can he personally sensibly benefit from others betting, where the rewards, by comparison, are insignificant. Time to use common sense FA.
To be fair though, would you say that overall Paqueta's tackles/trying to get intentional yellow cards have been much worse than Alvarez's? I would argue Alvarez's have been worse; at times it seemed he really wanted a yellow card
That's the way Alvarez plays. He's always been reckless for club and country.
@@kevinbarker7915 yeh but I mean for Paqueta judging him purely based of his footage isnt enough as others do similar tackles. They will need some sort of paper trail (messages etc) connecting Paqueta to the people in Brazil making the bets
@@drawde5762 I get what your saying, but Alvarez didn't have 4 huge bets come in from Alvarez island in Mexico the exact games when he got booked, Paqueta was hacking 2 or 3 players down in a rampage or deliberately handballing from a goal kick to get his yellows, they were beyond ridiculous, it depends when the bets came in too, if they were in play bets for Paqueta to get booked placed after the 90th minute and that's when the money went on (at much higher odds because there's no time left to get booked) and the handball was in the 93rd minute and Paqueta spent all of stoppage time trying to get booked, it makes the case much more indefensible. The likelihood of these bets being a coincidence...4 separate times must be 6 million to 1 and in a civil case they don't need a paper trail they just need it to be more likely than unlikely to have happened. It will be put to Paqueta to explain how people on Paqueta island that may well be his friends, family or known contacts (we don't know but they will have found out by now), how come they are the only people in the world winning huge money on him getting carded with huge amounts going on him to be carded with (possibly) in play bets just before he got carded in a ridiculous way....4 separate times, all from Paqueta Island. Our only hope is if our legal team can find a loophole, like someone's life was in danger or they find out if there were also huge bets that lost from Paqueta Island so then we can argue that the probability of our highest tackling player getting carded in 4 games when there were bets in lots of games isn't so improbable.
Lets be real here, the only way these highly unlikely large bets from Paqueta Island combined with his highly questionable yellow cards could happen so regularly possibly with 100% success (that is key, so something they will look at) + if they were laid in play just before the bookings occurred (that is key too) is with inside information and only 1 person in the world could give them that information. There doesn't need to be a paper trail, they will just argue he could've told them in person or went through a 3rd party to pass on the information, if statistically they come to the conclusion the likelihood of it all being a coincidence is 8 billion to 1 then he is done
We will have to hope the bets were not placed in play immediately before the bookings happened and that there were some losing bets too, the more losing bets the better, add that to his nature (temperamental, most tackles = most likely to get a card), hope they found no paper trail and no witnesses, then maybe we could argue people who knew Paqueta best might be able to make money from him getting booked because they know him best, BUT if the FA have gone back to 2022 and have been investigating for 9 month something tells me they know something more than we do that points to him being guilty
How many times do we read that the CPS (different organisation I know) have dropped charges against X, Y, or Z, due to lack of evidence or other reasons, after initially charging the person(s).
That’s my hope here, but, as you’ve said Geo, 4 coincidences including that booking vs Bournemouth, doesn’t bode well.
All we can hope is that he gets a fair hearing and whatever the outcome, it’s just and right.
True, but standard of proof required by CPS and standard of proof in civil matters are totally different - a lot easier to prove liability in civil law than prove guilt in criminal law
@@jamesgunn7 I agree totally. Given the 4 games under scrutiny that have been made public, and the fact that on a small island off Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, people have allegedly opened accounts with a gambling company, and placed bets on what, on the face of it, was a dead cert IF, and I stress IF, a certain WHU player was/is involved. It would take a huge leap of faith not to consider the evidence, albeit possibly circumstantial, damning.
What would help his case is if he has co-operated with the FA and given up his phone records and any other documents requested. But they'd only help if they didn't incriminate him obviously. An interesting few days and weeks ahead.
IF ?
I guess Loppy will be off if he 100 mill.he was promised is not there.Pity we didn’t get Potch.
Won’t be surprised if he got a lifetime ban
I don't know if Paqueta is guilty or not but what are these footballers thinking when they get involved in these betting scandals. Players like Ivan Toney are multi-millionaires, why risk all of that to try and make a bit more by betting. If he is found guilty then it is a huge blow for the club. Whatever the outcome he owes the club and the fans for standing by him, instead of trying to get out the door to join City on a mega money deal.
Anyone know how long before the trial?
It can 'look a bit suspicious' all it wants. Prove it!
Ted lasso new series material oh what fun to be at hammer it.. 😂
So Gonzo, Can I get your closing words and all important prediction please.. .is he guilty???
My personal opinion is that he is guilty as hell. The FA must have enough evidence to have charged him in the first place. Career ending. Silly boy. I presume if he is found guilty West Ham will sack him for gross misconduct?
I cannot see how he can be found guilty on circumstantial evidence only. I believe the only evidence that can convict him is with undisputable proof he told one of the people that gambled on him picking up a, yellow or anyone associated with that person. I'm just wondering if they believe he did it and ends up in a kind of plea bargain. I just can't seeing him being found guilty in this basis providing he gets a fair hearing....If he's FOUND not guilty the FA coukd face lawsuits, from Paqueta, West Ham and Man City.... As far as West Ham, we've got time to make a plan B. Kudus could drop into Paqueta place. Then recruit carefully so we are covered with or without Paqueta. .
You don’t need indisputable proof in civil matters. The FA need to establish on balance of probabilities that charges are true - that’s it.
I just hope the FA move is a face saver and they will back down...any idea about whenn hearing would be?
@@jamesgunn7 Thanks for that. I didn't know. Well done. But that's still a very grey area in my opinion. How can anyone tell what is balance of probability as opposed to coincidences with this case. A man's footballing career depends on this. For example if me and my family each bet 5k on Alvarez to receive a yellow card every game abd we win the vet. Will Alvarez be investigated. With Paqueta he's, always likely to pick up a yellow card so my point is that's it's not totally alien to the way he plays. I just hope he gets, a fair hearing and West Ham don't get damaged in the process.
Does the FA have to find Paqueta guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, or on the balance of probabilities? Because there’s a big difference in the threshold levels.. regardless of all the coincidences or how dodgy the yellows looked, if it’s beyond a reasonable doubt it sounds like a very difficult thing to prove, unless there’s a smoking gun of large amounts of unaccounted money going into his bank account
Just wanted to point out it took a YEAR to charge him, To me, that only points to the fact that they had little to no evidence and ran into pressure because of the upcoming transfer window and have now charged him. Didn’t it take them only a couple of months to ban Tonali?
Easier to ban someone with an active betting account. This is linked to spot fixing. So likely they were looking at all his yellow cards and establishing betting patterns while he's been at West. Ham, possibly while he's been in France and Italy.
When this first came out there were rumours of incidents whilst he was with Leon, but the FA have no duristriction over the French FA, so cannot add them to their investigation.
He won't be found guilty. If there was hard evidence this would have been done months ago.
What's happening to the guy in Spain has he been charged aswell
5 million a year pre tax , WHY THE F would a player get involved ?
Stupidity and greed.
lmaoo he didn’t give a shit about west ham this whole time
To be fair, hes still picking up what seems like a yellow card every other or 3rd game, mostly for yelling at the ref. If the level of cards had changed maybe i would buy it, but hes picking up the same number of cards roughly, then nothing has changed really.
In a criminal case, the prosecution has to present their evidence to the defendant's solisistor long before the court case so to prepare for it. I suppose this is not criminal yet
Football clubs have to have liability insurance for player misconduct although to what extent player misconduct is covered, I don't know - definitely conduct of the player on the pitch...may be worth you boys finding a sports lawyer who'd be willing to comment?
The charges will be dropped on transfer deadline day só he never went to City as they have over 100 charges against them
I wonder how you come out with such bs..
Paquet’s defense team will be entitled to access the evidence against their client before any hearing, they have to show discover for the defense to challeng!! They can’t just spring it I them at the hearing
ASSUMING HES FOUND GUILTY OF COURSE
BEING ‘CHARGED’ ISN’T PROOF OF GUILT 🤷🏻
Even if banned he still has a contract with the club until 2027 so west ham might still be able to sell him on to maybe a saudi club.
Can he play now he has been charged with this or is he out for the start of the season??
As bad as it may become for West Ham... If he is found guilty and I do think it is not only likely that he will be but I believe that he is indeed guilty at least in some regard, then I hope he is banned and for a significant time. I am not going to sit here and openly support corruption based on the fact that it is one of our own players.
I'd rather think of it as a career ending injury... Yes it sucks... but we have to deal with it and just move on.
Also what if the FA wants an out, and don't want to be sued, so go to abstraction, will let him off, and then FA can say we think he guilty, and the Arbitrator got them off the hook.
One step forward two back the West Ham way
They cannot have proof?
Or they would have charged him months ago.
No proof outways we think he did it.?
Circumstantial dont cut it.
Can in a civil case unfortunately.
City was never having him pep wouldn't have he's shenanigans
Speculation is not fact.
Lads, who is coming to Tampa?
This is the West Ham way... lurching from one crisis to another
Why would these bets be placed with Betway (official sponsors of WHU) is this a wind up
Wasn’t Granit Xhaka involved in something similar for Arsenal a few years ago taking forever and a day to take a free kick and getting booked for time wasting - I believe the fans at that game thought his actions highly suspicious
Any sports lawyer worth his salt knows that the evidence must be 100%, Paqueta mustn't be railroaded by a kangaroo court. ⚒
Player is guilty needs to be dealt with as an example to the youth players
*if player
This surely is edging to a police matter if the betting companies see a sign of hard evidence. Whoever they play for you can't have corruption in sport...defaces the concept. So hope he's not guilty of course, but if true how stupid & greedy...unless more sinister influences are behind this.
Guys he hasn't been found guilty of anything yet, no need to jump to conclusions and condemn him
he is guilty mate. It is very obvious the odds were manipulated and the his relatives placed bets.
FA have to prove it, till then he's ours!
Don't forget he is innocent until proven guilty.
Shame but there you go the 85 millions gone but we move on As they say no one and no man is bigger then the club or the game
Why would a well paid footballer do something as stupid as this?
I'm sure West Ham will have a contract clause about illegal behaviour etc in his contract.
Very disappointing, how greedy must he be.
He's in the highest paid league in world football.
Stupid mentality, really, so sad for us.
Much as I love his play, no sympathy at all.
COYI
At the current moment, we simply have no idea if he’s guilty or not. It could be either.
Only at West Ham eh? Personally think he'll playing back in Brazil after this season.
Brazil have already handed out some lifetime bans for this. They are cleaning up their sports integrity and have been making examples of people. They are also investigating him so I don't think he will play there or anywhere else
If he's found guilty he won't be playing pro football again.
@@j.m.6891 The charges are from the FA, no? I suspect he'd be banned by them but I feel it's unlikely FIFA get involved so he'd be alright to play elsewhere in the world. I just can't see the rest of Europe touching him with a barge pole.
@@jamiecarr8570 Wouldn't any sentence be Fifa mandated too?
Only at West Ham could a player from paqueta island called Lucas paqueta get done for bets made on paqueta island for bookings received by Lucas paqueta! 😂