@don catalog No, Herc and Coke were a continuation of something that was already going on NYC. These Herc's own words: Q - When did you start to get involved in it? Herc- I started to get involved in it right after my house got burned down. I was going to parties back then, see. A place called the Tunnel and a place called the Puzzle, right on 161st Street - that was the first disco I used to party at. Me, guys like Phase 2, Stay High, Sweet Duke, Lionel 163 - all the early graffiti writers - used to come through there. It’s where we used to meet up and party at. Then, years later, [there was this club] called Disco Fever. Disco Fever used to be right here on 167th. But before Disco Fever there was the Puzzle. That was the first Bronx disco. Q - So back then you still weren’t playing? Herc- I was dancing, I was partying. Right around 1970, I’m in high school. Q - That was when b-boying was starting? Herc - Yeah, people were dancing, but they weren’t calling it b-boying. That was just the break, and people would go off. My terms came in after I started to play - I called them b-boys. Guys just used to breakdance… Right then, slang was in, and we shortened words down. Instead of disrespect, you know, you dissed me. That’s where that came from. daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2018/01/kool-herc-interview From Herc's own mouth, he admits that there were bboys dancing to breaks in 1970 at the Tunnel/Plaza disco, 3 years before he was even a dj!!!!! Herc said when those clubs/discos closed on his side of the Bronx (west side) he looked to continue what those places were already doing! Read below i.imgur.com/m3dL3AF.jpg herc got his early playlist of breaks from Dj John Brown at the Plaza Disco i.imgur.com/qvLwHYL.jpg Phase 2 who Herc ran with in the early 1970s said, the Plaza Disco is where breakbeats, bboys and people talking on the mic first started from his POV i.imgur.com/AfcCsFc.jpg
I read your posts before, years back and you always come with information I wasn't aware of. Appreciate that and it inspires me to dig that much deeper into hiphop history, a culture created by FBA/ADOS. So many people deny that we created it but they can't prove it. On the other hand, we're proving we did with a plethora of irrefutable evidence.
This man is a HIP HOP LEGEND and THE WHOLE HIP HOP/RAP COMMUNITY needs to give this man his RESPECT and FLOWERS. To me this man REPERSENTS BLACK HISTORY within the HIP HOP/RAP CULTURE and he needs to get his STORY OUT FOR THE WORLD TO SEE AND HEAR. WE need to PICK HIS BRAIN while he's still LIVING. I hope he continues to give and do more interviews on the EARLY BEGANININGS OF HIP HOP/RAP FROM the late 1960's to the early and mid 1970's. MUCH RESPECT TO YOU MISTER COKE LA ROCK. Tell your TRUTH because HIP HOP/RAP needs to be re-written.
This is AMAZING WORK, brother, please keep it up. Hip Hp really neeeds the kind of work you are doing to do in depth interviews of early relatively unknown players from all over the Bronx and traingualte their stories to get the most accurate big picture we can of what happened and how hip hop came to be.
Watching this & "Founding Fathers" just shows me how big NYC is, and why we need all these documentaries to tell our history of NYC before the change. Everyone can tell their own story cause it can't be one being we are so big Your recordings will be needed to tell the old story of NYC without all the lies they will try to tell
At 45:00 minutes into the video, it appears Herc was not using and q'ing on a mixer until DJ Baron Breakout loaned him a mixer when their amps shutdown at a party....hmm Mike what year was it
For decades I wanted the real story on the genesis of Hip Hop, thank you!!! I figure it’s safe to say that Coke La Rock is the First MC and Melle Mel is the evolution of the MC. Salute and Honors to all the pioneers of this phenomenal music I love, live and breathe… 🗣🎤👏🏽🎶🔥👑💎🤎💯💪🏾
Coke la rock remind me of me meaning he knew gangs was around but he didn’t live his life worried about them like I knew about the deceptions and what they did in bk were I’m from but I didn’t see them in large formation most of it was stories told to me and yea coke la rock deserves more recognition salute
I got mad at you on the first interview, you erased all errors by asking the perfect questions and letting Coke La Rock answer perfectly. I heard someone say just what Coke just said, nobody did the beats like Herc and nobody talked over the records like Coke and Herc. I salute them, just like I salute you for this great interview.
other people definitely played those beats that herc played. In fact, Herc's direct inspiration is from Dj John Brown and he was playing the same breaks that herc would later adopt to his own playlist. Read below i.imgur.com/m3dL3AF.jpg i.imgur.com/qvLwHYL.jpg Phase 2 (yes, the pioneering graf artists) who Herc used to run with says John Brown's parties in the early 1970s is where he first saw people bboying to breaks, something Herc has also corroborated i.imgur.com/AfcCsFc.jpg i.imgur.com/wsDfykh.jpg
@@hiphophistorian5476 Other DJs played songs that had "get down" or "break" parts but Herc was THE FIRST to devote a segment of his set to ONLY playing the "get down" or "break"
@@JUSLOFI too add to that: Ced Gee (west bronx) of ultramagnetic, witnessed early herc jams says it's a misconception that Herc was rocking with 2 turntables and looping in the early days. He makes it very clear that Herc was just playing the whole song on 1 turntable th-cam.com/video/FyxjgaCbua8/w-d-xo.html . . . Clark Kent who didn't get with Herc until late 1974 as I pointed out before, recalls how and when he intoduced the concept of playing double copies to Herc as opposed to spinning two separate records that didn't match in tempos/musically via the "Merry-Go-Round" Clark Kent: "anyone who was there knew herc only had one copy of apache and he used to mix it with scorpio...that was ok and it worked out for the 'Merry-Go-Round' but I thought it would be better if he had another copy of Apache. We were at the Hevalo (a club) and I gave Herc a/the second copy of Apache. Herc puts on Apache, everyone is anticipating him fading into Scorpio and then all of a sudden, everybody hears Apache come back again, and then everybody went nuts" th-cam.com/video/6cgZEqZWj3U/w-d-xo.html . . What Herc and the 1973 origin myth is trying to keep under wraps is that while Herc agrees he first started attempting to loop/double copies (the break parts) of the same records at the Hevelo as does Clark Kent, Herc didn't start djing there until 1975/1976 by his own admission! Interview with herc about when he was at the hevelo: Herc- This, this was the Hevalo. Now it’s a car park. Q- What year did you start playing here? Herc - The good old year here was ’75, ’76. daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2018/01/kool-herc-interview more below i.imgur.com/jr6A6Ye.png uh-oh...Herc 1973 story and looping breaks is looking suspect as hell lol
@@hiphophistorian5476 Issac a little too. But Gamble & Huff definitely. Thanks to some of the musicians from MFSB. That don’t get a lot credit for being one of the set of musicians to change music forever. The others off hand. #TheUpSetters #TheMGs #FunkBrothers #TheJBs
Frankie Crocker was a WBLS radio legend, but wasn't directly involved in the scene as it was happening on the streets. He was way ahead of his time though, he had MFSB's "Love Is The Message" in rotation, had Flash's "ADVENTURES OF GRANDMASTER FLASH" in rotation. You could say Frankie Crocker was the first superstar radio DJ who played hip hop.
@@SILVARYDAH true indeed I remember the show when he first played sugar hill when he told New York what he was about do I remember alot of people refusing to allow hip hop to be played I'm 61 and consider myself first generation everything the brothers said was facts we were called hoodlums and hard rocks
THATS EXACTLY WHAT IVE BEEN SAYIN'!!!!!!!. Herc, Coke La Rock, Trixie, Sasa, The Twins came around '73/'74 based on these interviews. The Black Spades, Disco King Mario, DJ Kool D were around '71/'72. The video interviews show that the Spades were older and were introducing a youth "mob" type culture while Kool D and Mario were playing the music. Based on the interviews, Kool Herc did something different by capturing what he saw at these parties by structuring the music for THE ENTIRE PARTY with just the breakbeats. Nothing else. Based on the interviews, playing music for dancers who later became known as b-boys was not new but Herc structured his sessions to that crowd . Kool D and Mario had been playing breaks without being influenced by Herc. Did they do as other DJ's and play large potions of the record? That's not clear. Maybe they were. According to the video interviews, it seems like they were doing this thing that Herc advanced and became known for approximately 2 years before Herc. I could be wrong. I'm piecing it all together. I don't think we'll ever get these cats into one forum at the same time to cross compare histories. Bambaataa is important to hear from also in addition to Africa Islam and an unknown DJ called Smokey. The '71 thru '73 span is a bit cloudy in trying to ascertain accurate data.
@@bxdale83 Nah bro.. We all know that B-boying and Breakdancing came out of the Bronx, but "Poppin & Lockin" was something totally different, and it came out of Cali.. Poppin was started in Fresno, CA by "Boogaloo Sam" who was a member of the "Electric Boogaloos" and Lockin came out of Los Angeles, CA from a dude named "Don Campbell" who was a member of "The Lockers"..
In the last 5 minutes, this false and inaccurate theory that Jamaican toasting was the main origin of rapping in HIP HOP DIED WITH THIS VIDEO, IT ENDS TODAY. I always knew rapping was a fully African American creation from the start, but this is concrete evidence for any naysayers that keep telling these total bullshit lies about Hip Hop's history.
Continue to watch Michael Waynetv bruh he has a 2hr Doc on here showing the Jamaicans that these internet TROLLS claim invented Toasting admit on Camera they got it from America. That's how you know that these TETHER BODY SNATCHERS are not looking at his videos.
Exactly. Jamaicans didn’t even create their own music without us. It’s documented in video, recordings, records and pictures. They try to attach the entire people and island to one man that was molded by Black America.
Yep they have always been doing that and totally exaggerating it. Well it was only a matter of time before the truth came out. I knew it would not be long before African Americans would debunk these bullshit lies.@@harrypool71
Bro, you gotta do a video primarily about the great "Pigmeat Markham".. Even the OG's in the Bronx on your previous videos said they were emulating him when they were rapping.. Pigmeat put out the first Rap Record in 1968.
@@aferrer74 If you look up "Pigmeat Markham" (Here Comes The Judge) 1968, you'll see it was a record that actually hit the charts and hit 19 on the charts in the UK.. FACTS!!!!
@@aferrer74 No, Disco King Mario was originally from North Carolina and moved to the Bronx.. Both his parents were foundational black Americans.. Nice Try 😉
Dam I love this dude Coke La Rock when he says he would freestyle talk over the beat like Donald Byrds Dominoes that must've been something to witness ...I always prefer talk or toasting more than actual rhyming ...its more abstract ...plus he very shrewed and strategic he don't want to upset the FBA but at the same time he still Backs the Almighty Kool Herc ....Herc taking alot of heat due to Busta Rhymes and the Gay Dude Bam ....but to fair after the Herculoids the best live session are Zulu Nation and anything with Dj Whiz Kid who for me was the Baddest B.Boy on the planet . Much respect and love to a true Master Mc Coke La Rock.
@@hassanshabazz3386 West Bronx. People who were there said he predated Herc in the West Bronx and was better but his soundsystem wasn't as powerful as herc's
@@hiphophistorian5476 Herculoids shut him down . Herc had that sound clash mentality, that's why he had the most powerful sound system and that's why the dancers followed him around.
Two Great Points here from The Almighty Coke La Rock....Mellee Mel was the First To Rhyme ( although can be disputed.) But Coke La Rock was THE FIRST TO TALK /TOAST On the Mic So he was the First Mc in the Bronx's .. Improvise ( Head Top ) Dedications to his Crew plus In my view Talking Is More Powerful than Rhyming because it's more Abstract. Second Point Coke La Rock States there was no Sound System Culture in the 60s . He says there was Talent Competitions and After Clubs Drink Spots but no Sound Systems. It first emerged in Brooklyn and Queens but it wasn't Hip Hop it was Disco and RnB . . Then Kool D ( From Carolina ) & Tyrone The Mixologist . Also Pete Jones ( from Carolina ) took the Sound system style to the South Bronx's Rosedale and Disco Mario ( from Carolina ) borrowed Kool D Set. Let the Kids rock on the Set and Hip Hop was moulded into a Uniform Style.
@@brucebanner3935 Cowboy was rhyming before Mel but only freestyle types of get the party hype rhymes. Mel took it further and actually WROTE RHYMES, while Cowboy essentially freestyled on the Mic. Mel wasn't the first rhyming either though..but Mel was most definitely one of the first to turn RAPPING into its own art form completely and separately..which is why Mel and Flash clashed..
We were having DJ'S at block parties all over the Country so Coke wasn't saying that he was saying not specifically catering to the Hip-hop Crowd. There's pictures of DJ'S all across the country in the 60's rockin Block Parties plus Coke and Herc did inside Jams. Every club they went to had booths for DJ set ups so we had a DJ culture separate from Hip-hop and Reggae.
This one dude said Disco King Mario had three turntables that he used to extend the break. Personally, I think hip hop began when the first B-boys were dancing to the first extended break beat that was created by using two turntables. I don't think it began with rapping. I think rapping came later and it was incorporated into hip hop. I don't think it began with dancing or fashion or slang or none of that. It began with the DJ, two turntables and the B-boys at a party.
Jamaican sound system culture pre-dates Hip Hop by many years. Kook Herc was exposed to the sound system culture in Jamaica when he was a little boy and was already musically inclined before he came to America. When he came to America, he took on Black American culture in the Bronx and practice music in that arena. But the foundation and interest in music started in Jamaica.
Again, it is clear that Herc added something that united everything. They added tomatoes to pizza and icing to cake. If you take away what they added you don't have what we have now. Therefore they deserve their credit. Without the break beats, everything would have been different. That's why the first Hip-Hop performers were from the Bronx where the drums (Break beats) were the most important part of the record. Anybody want a pizza with out pizza sauce and cake with out icing? I hear everybody's story, but the only people that seemed to influence everybody was Herc and Coke. Sounds like the first to me..
In all fairness, I think the problem is that we relied on urban myths, like Herc was the first DJ to use two turntables and extend the breakbeats. GM Flash even did a video disputing what Herc did, because he's credited with what Flash was doing. In Flash's autobiography, he credits Pete DJ Jones for showing him how to mix and blend. If you notice, Coke -La-Rock continues to bring Pete DJ Jones up. In other words, it was a progression and not a creation. Without other DJ's, parties and jams in the parks, you have no Herc and Coke -La-Rock. Georgie Woods, in 1968 took Lionel Hampton's 1967 song Greasy Greens and made a rap song called Potato Salad, with a PT 1 and 2. It's a decade before the Sugar Hill Gang's Rapper's Delight which they rapped over Chic's Good Times. Was Georgie Woods Hip-Hop? No, but as a radio DJ from the 50's, he rhymed in between the breaks of pre-recorded records and did announcements. There were other novelty records made by other radio DJ's in the same format. Again, it's not Hip-Hop music, but it's damn sure the blueprint from another era. Remember, the Whopper is simply a hamburger, it just goes by another name.
@@BoricuaNyc that's just it, if other DJ's cosign that there were other DJ's who were doing it first, well... I think he definitely gets props for using funk and other obscure beats versus the others. But, hey, what do I know? All in all the progression of the music influenced me in a positive way. I'm just willing to give credit where credit is due.
The first reported pizzas in Italy had no sauce. Pizzas also have non tomato based sauces. So pizza would still exist with out sauce. KOOL HERC wasn't the first DJ to extend record breaks. KOOL HERC wasn't the first First Hip-hop DJ so it would have still existed. He did put secret spices in our sauce which might have been bland without HERC but all the other ingredients were already there.
@@abc876 he talked about wearing cloths-fashion.. *(THE QUESTION) What exact year, What style of fashion exactly is he talking about, including hair style during that time?? We talking about NYC hip hop FASHION HISTORY.
Dj Jocko Henderson a radio jock was rapping over records in the early 1950s he began his career in Baltimore. And in California you has the Lockers, Pop Lockers, guys doing the Electric Boogaloo as far back as 1969 in the early 1970s Funk Era. This pre dates Break Dancing & B Boy in the 1980s The Lockers appeared on soul train in 1971 Lockers founded by Don Campbellock “ Campbell So Block Parties, DJing and Rythmn Talking Rap Just didn’t begin in New York lol Black Radio Dj we’re doing that down South, in the 40s-50s Jive talking goes all the way back to the 1920s Research it
Hip hop began with the DJ extending the break beat using two turntables so that the B-boys could get down longer, being that the breaks were normally not longer than a few seconds. It didn't begin with rapping. Rapping was added later to hype up the B-boys. The fashion, the slang, the jewels, the getting money aspect, and even the graffiti were all customs and behaviors of the B-boys.
Hip Hop DJ wouldn’t have existed without Black American Style Music is My point. And how could first generation Jamaicans immigrate to America and create a style off Blk American Music a style that never existed in Jamaica prior to them immigrating to America in mass after the Civil Right movement All Disco was for example was orchestrated extended dance music you had a 45 version single, then the LP Album version. Extended long version. Two Raggae inspired music culture 1970s Movies The Harder They Come Jimmy Cliff 1972 Rockers 1978 don’t feature any type of Hip Hop style DJ-ing , Fashion, Music, Dancing or Rapping (Ebonics) so it’s obvious they were introduced to this style upon arrival to America begining in the 1970s. I’m looking at the Full Black American Music Experience not just Hip Hop which is on the tail end. Because it all started around the sametime the Funk, Disco and Jazz Fusion emerged and that’s in the late 1960s early 1970s. Like Rock n Roll ( up temple R&B ) that goes all the way back to the 1930s it reached it Zenith in the 1950s.
@@CoolOnes5150 I'm with you, but I'm just trying to arrive at a starting point when all of those elements came together. We can't go by the starting point of each element, because that's not hip hop. I used to believe the Kool Herc myth, too, but after watching these videos, I'm starting to come around to what Phase is saying. The main reason why Kool Herc gets credited as being the founding father is because his party in '73 was the first to be documented via a flyer. But there other DJs combining all of the elements together before Herc. He learned from those guys.. But he does claim that he invented the "merry-go-round" technique of looping the breaks. That's the biggest point of contention for me, because I believe that actually started hip hop. However, other DJs are being credited with starting the merry-go-round first... Since Herc was actually documented first, people believe him on that, too. The biggest problem is that we can only go by word of mouth... and people can say anything.
@@KtotheG I agree with you. I’m not sure when Herc immigrated to America but it would seem impossible to me for a newly arrived immigrant Jamaicans to come to America & create a musical style , Urban slang, dress, dances here that didn’t exist in Jamaica prior to his family & Jamaicans immigrating here. So it’s obvious where they got it from. I think Busta & Fat Joe just laid low and didn’t expect anybody to say anything. And to date I’ve yet to see Fat Joe or Busta Rhymes produce any receipts to justify their claims because Hip Hops a funk based Culture and not Salsa or a Reggae based culture. The style spirit and temperament of the music sampled isn’t Reggaton Island based. It’s the Funk Disco. Herc reminds me of 1950s White Ohio DJ Alan Freed who simply picked up the term Rock n Roll (Which was Black Slang used in Blues & R&B ) and started calling White artist interpretations of R&B “ Rock n Roll” while never acknowledging he got the term from Black Music. Truth will prevail
@@CoolOnes5150 Dude, you do not know anything about Jamaican sound system culture and dancehall. Jamaican sound system culture pre-dates Hip Hop by many years. Kook Herc was exposed to the sound system culture in Jamaica when he was a little boy and was already musically inclined before he came to America. When he came to America, he took on Black American culture in the Bronx and practice music in that arena. But the foundation and interest in music started in Jamaica.
@@soulknob That wasn't Jay B's point. The point was he was in the culture before Herc. So Herc was playing catch up with the equipment. Another thing people ironically gloss over is Herc didn't have Huge Ghetto Blasters at his first couple Jams.
yes Mario was before herc playing funk soul r&b OUTSIDE in the parks and "projects"... Mario talking on a echo chamber etc... coke la rock and kool herc was the ones to bring breakdance breakbeats into nightclubs for B.BOYS...B.Boy breakdance BATTLES became a big thing in the bronx nightclubs
Why are people so vexed about the contributions that Caribbeans made. Grandmaster Flash is from Barbados. Can anyone doubt his contributions to hip Hop?
Respect to flash for his contributions. The problem is alot caribbean folks are now all of sudden claiming that they're the creators of Hip Hop and we're not having it smh
@@melanatedwarrior3530 they're buggin'. i'm west indian and i can give props to the early cats on the mics known as "DJs" in jamaica, but the break beats and rhyming over them is not a jamaican invention, although a LOT of early mc's were jamaican. the thing is you simply cannot take the neighborhoods and ethnic make up of everyone around OUT of the mix of cultures. lots of the breakbeats being played were created by multi racial bands using congas, timbales, etc. it's easy to have pride and to want to claim something as your own but the reality is much more complex and not easy to single out one defining characteristic. this is part of the genius of hip hop in and of itself. its ability to take bits and pieces from its environment and recreate those bits into something wholly original.
@@SILVARYDAH Hip Hop music derives from funk, soul, Disco and R&B music, So where did you get congas and timbales from lol. I think alot of y'all are really going overboard with this ethnic makeup talk, Because other groups don't have any influence on Black Americans and I'm from the Bronx, But i never really cared for other people's music or cultures.
The original "Disco" was black overground and non-gay where they played Funk/Soul music. These were the mobile jocks like Grandmaster Flowers. White gay men caught on like Dave Mancusso and Nicky Siano and they associated with black gay djs like Larry Levan and Frankie Knuckles and played the same Funk/Soul records w/ mixing in some "Euro" stuff like Kraftwerk.. HipHop came from the straight overground scene
@@hiphophistorian5476 Kraftwerk isn't Disco. I never heard anyone call Disco "Black" Disco, in my life. Must be some new shit. Just like this whole Hip-Hop remix, that it's from somewhere down south, from the 1930's.
@@randee4550 white discos/djs played kraftwerk is what I'm telling you and yes, there was "Black" disco because Disco came from Soul and Funk music before a specific sub-sound (PHilly soul via Earl Young's 4/4 hissing hi-hat sound) was rebranded and marketed as "Disco". White disco djs played all the Philly Soul, Motown, etc.. type stuff just like the black djs but they also played stuff like Kraftwork/other Euro imports that black overground djs never touched but you might here some black gay djs played. If you were to see a playlist of the black disco djs, you would see many of the foundational bboy breaks listed. Grandmaster Flowers was mixing Babe Ruth "The Mexican" and James Brown "Give It Turn It Loose" before those songs became bboy anthems! if you saw a list of what some of the white djs played, you would see stuff like Kraftwerk included. In fact, Afrika Bambatta discovered Kraftwork through a white dj disco record pool!
@@hiphophistorian5476 Bro. I never heard ANYBODY call it "Black" Disco was Disco, when I came up, in the 70's. The gay shit, comes s little later. There was just one Disco. Donna Summer, Heatwave, Anita Ward, even Michael Jackson. But I never saw a separation. I used to go to the roller skating rinks, and they'd play Chic, and Sylvester. It was dance music. The whole "Black" shit, wasn't a thing. I don't know what jams you were attending, but that's not my experience, growing up in The Bronx. Not everyone know about Kraftwerk either. That was some Euro shit. Bam had all the obscure records, from Brazil, Africa, etc. But niggaz also played Bob James, Average White Band, etc. By the time Hip-Hop was a thing, tons of "white" artists breaks, were being cut up. James Brown was instrumental, but not an ultimate factor. The B-Boy jams, were songs like "Yellow Sunshine", "Castles In The Sky", "Brother Greene", etc. THOSE are the B-Boy jams.
@@randee4550 To the outwards (outside of NYC) public there was one "Disco" but in NYC there were actually two world of Disco. 1) The OG black disco that was straight and while having clubs was dominate by mobile jocks like Pete DJ Jones, Grandmaster Flowers, Nu Sounds, Reggie Wells etc... 2) The white imitation of the black scene but was ran by gay white men like Dave Mancusso of the Loft and Nicky Siano of the Gallery. This scene was more intergrated/multi-racial (you had gay black djs in this scene like Larry Levan) and became the face of "Disco" in the overall mainstream. This scene is why people associate "Disco" with gay subculture read more here i.imgur.com/0uWufAw.jpg read these artciles from black djs from that time periord where they put the two scene into proper context Dj Ron Plummer from the black straight overground scene (an influence on Bambatta and Flash) www.oldschoolhiphop.com/interviews/djplummer.htm DJ Tony Smith also from the straight black crowd but also dj'ed with gay scene daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2019/01/tony-smith-interview Pete DJ Jones also from the straight scene but had contact with the gay scene explains the difference daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2019/01/pete-dj-jones-interview For more, check out the book After Dark: Birth of the Disco Dance Party" discoafterdark.com/the-music/queens-college-students-studied-the-book-after-dark-birth-of-the-disco-dance-party/ youtube clip on book---> th-cam.com/video/tHFYLLDgtPE/w-d-xo.html . . . . "Not everyone know about Kraftwerk either. That was some Euro shit. Bam had all the obscure records, from Brazil, Africa, etc." Bam learned about it from white record pool. Most of Bams material came from those disco/rock record pools, He talks about it here Q- What were the other tunes you discovered that way? Baam - “Trans Europe Express.” Q- How did you discover Kraftwerk, do you remember? Baam - It was from some record store downtown, in the Village. Q - What was the very first downtown gig you played? Baam - It was probably the Jefferson and the Mudd club. Q - And that was for Freddy? Baam - Yeah, and the head of the rock pool at the time, I forget his name. Q - How did you feel about that, cos it’s a totally different audience. What was the party like? Baam - Oh, they were funky, they got loose. They liked the shit I was playing, Ohio Players, Kool and the Gang, Jungle Boogie all that stuff, mixed with the breakbeats and the disco stuff. Once I was getting more into the rock pool and hearing a lot of punk rock records I started playing a lot of their stuff. Flying Lizards and all that other type of things that I might think that would get over there. And that’s when my following started happening. “I want you at Jefferson.” “I want you at the Mudd Club.” “I want you at Danceteria.” I need you at the… daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2017/04/afrika-bambaataa-interview "But niggaz also played Bob James, Average White Band, etc. By the time Hip-Hop was a thing, tons of "white" artists breaks, were being cut up. James Brown was instrumental, but not an ultimate factor. The B-Boy jams, were songs like "Yellow Sunshine", "Castles In The Sky", "Brother Greene", etc. THOSE are the B-Boy jams." The early years was mostly James Brown stuff (his music was pretty much the only music with funky drumming parts where the music would drop out hence why he's considered the father of HipHOp from a musical perspective. James Brown invented breakbeats) because most songs didn't have breaks on them until James' Funk formula started spreading by the mid to late 1970s. This is when you started hearing Funky Rock songs (Billy Squire Big beat), Funky Jazz songs (Take Me To The Mardi Gras by Bob james) and obviously Funky Disco songs (Good Times by chic)
9:57 - 10:01 So in the other video, I believe you said you shopped a AJ Lester, Pathmark, or other high-end clothing stores wearing $100 shirts and $1000 outfits but HERE you’re saying “we ain’t have no money”. Come on man… which is it? 🤔 Respect to Coke La Rock though…
@@randee4550 your reaching with this one. Felipe Luciano was just one of the members of the Last Poets,,, he was not a founding member and the Last Poets stuff was FBA not PR anyway.
How can Melle Mel say he created the word MC when that goes back to the forties hahaha. And I'm sorry, hard to believe there were no Puerto Ricans in that club... probably true that they didn't advertise they were. that's why Charlie Chase got so hated he was a very proud Puerto Rican and made no ifs and buts about it . Would even play Latin beats.
CooloutAC ... you said "AND I'M SORRY, HARD TO BELIEVE THERE WERE NO PUERTO RICANS IN THAT CLUB"... I know ...its hard for a lot of younger ppl to believe... but back then things were different... if you were born in the 1950's you would know!!
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 Well in NYC races were mixing even in the 50s. And we talking about the 70s. Whether they were mixing at that particular club you're right I have no idea. All I know is it is a Puerto Rican Neighborhood now and the club name sure sounds latin also. But who knows. But don't you think its weird Coke La Rock claims he didn't even know Herc was Jamaican? Claims he had 3 puerto rican friends and didn't even know they were puerto rican. Chances are you were there dancing with Puerto Ricans and YOU didn't even know. Either that or he is a liar. lol
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 You didn't really see bands mixing races in big dancehalls or on major labels until the 60s though. It was the jazz and Salsa bands.
Yall kill me at trying to figure out if black people started hip hop. Duh.. WE DID... who cares we don't own it now. I'm trying to figure out what made coke la rock start rhyming😮💨
@akebulanmusic...smh.. we do own it now!!... just go get a park permit and put on a JAM IN YOUR COMMUNITY...Hire a local DJ.. put local emcees on the microphone.....Its easy!!... as far as caucasian music industry and the record business... the only thing we can do about that is STRAIGHT IGNORE THE HIPHOP WE DONT WANNA HEAR...simple..the point is real hiphop is always in our hands
THE STYLE. Was Similar everywhere. As the Culture is considered. But. THE Continued playing. BEATS. Not break BEATS. FUNK. Was cultural. I'm not from the BRONX.
He’s not fishing. He’s interviewing the Pioneers who were actually there to correct all the misinformation that continues to be recklessly spewed these days.
Lol 🤣 Herc clearly did NOT create Hip-Hop.. Besides, one person did not create Hip-Hop.. That means Herc would have had to create all 4 of the elements.. Rapping, DJing, Graffiti and B-Boying.. Herc did NOT create any of those arts..Stop repeating nonsense of nerds from Harvard and Yale University.. People who weren't even there.
Facts. Coke La rock was being nice to him. That’s the sole purpose of this interview to discredit Herc which will automatically discredit Coke La Rock. He doesn’t care about Coke’s well being even was speaking to him disrespectfully about weed and health. All the dudes that passed away on this channel were younger than Coke La Rock
@@brucebanner3935 How can he "DISCREDIT" Herc when Herc has never made any of these claims himself?? I think what you meant to write is "He's trying to discredit the claims put on Herc".
When is hip hop gonna finally come clean on where hip hop got it's fashion statement look from?? NYC BROS DID NOT CREATE **(THE UNIFORM), but borrowed it from a previous Black Culture genre, but never gave credit where credit is due. All thru this video the O.G. bros who was there, unlike most of these haters, testified and explain exactly what early hip hop was wearing for fashion. FAT JOE SAID IT best, (WE GOT THE PICTURES) and all y'all pictures prove 100% that NYC BROS BORROWED HIP HOP FASHION and did not create it as shown in all the early pictures, Case closed, MIC DROP!, I'm done! Nobody challenging Me with Facts to dispute y'all historical pictures, only emotion, hurt feelings, and bruised egos is all.
@@alpinemedina1422 Everyone in know knows about the Trend Setters creating **(THE UNIFORM), this style of dress did not exist in NYC prior to the bros removing and cutting off their '70s AFROS enmass city wide to even accommodate a fitted sports team Baseball cap. Trend Setters cut off and removed their '70s Afros in 1975, this can not be said of NYC HIP HOP at that time, so how u wearing fitted caps on top of ur (Jackson 5 Afros)? Briefly stated, **(THE UNIFORM) a popular look, was often seen at all Go Go Music events starting in the 1970s. But we can clearly see the documentation thru videos, photos, etc. of exactly how early NYC hip hop dressed, and the evidence clearly reveals they did not promote **(THE UNIFORM) in the early days whatsoever, but adopted it during many collaborations with a previous Black Culture genre originating in Chocolate City. Holla back!
@@SILVARYDAH why u mad? The bro clearly stating in the video exactly what they was wearing in the early days of hip hop, were u listening? He told u the stores where they shopped and everything, u can clearly see exactly how early hip hop dressed, u even saw '70s Afros. Are u putting 2 and 2 together? NYC HIP HOP BROS in the '70s was not wearing the iconic**(UNIFORM) at all. What Artist in the '70s was Wearing **(THE UNIFORM), I'll wait.
@@MichaelSmith-qc7nk good sir, I'm not clear when you refer to early hip hop fashion as "the uniform". No disrespect or sarcasm intended brother. Fashion changes in the streets of NYC yearly. Would that be a true statement? Hip hop fashion when we speak of as a culture is wide and it often repeats itself in cycles. Would that be true too? Ex: Kangol caps that Biggie Smalls wore is hip hop fashion, but before Kangol produced those specific caps a company by the name of KOOL KAPS was making that same style. It was just street fashion back then not hip hop fashion. not trying to argue but the culture of dress, swag, lingo is vast brother. That's why I wasn't too clear on your point
See that's the problem that black spades these senior citizens dudes talk all this shit and can't prove nothing 🤣🤣 look @ the flyer The Hevelow ( A Kool Herc Production. ) and coke la rock . The spades are all mouth no pictures or footage 🤣🤣🤣🤣
If u make claims, u need to back it up with 100% facts, Where are the early hip hop pictures proving they even created the hip hop fashion statement look of the '80s crack era hustler look, All I see is the opposite in all their early pictures, a bunch of '70s Afros etc. They need to bring receipts or stop the cap!
If you research deeper, you will discover why there were not many flyers to promote the jams back then. Do the research before you start speaking recklessly u will appear far more intelligent.
Literally nothing to validate anything. Just stories. Note that the interviewer wasn’t even of age when these events that he concocted were happening. He and Phase are like the same age. Or Phase might have got him by a few yrs.
@@MichaelSmith-qc7nk the person that took all the pictures and footage in the early 1970’s was a Puerto Rican 🇵🇷 and all that pictures and footage are in the hip-hop museum 😂
@@FBA_AllTHEWAY the thing is u don't sound intelligent 😂 I think u didn't get far in school 😂 remember u are a black American u guys don't even know your own black history 😂 the father of black history was a Puerto Rican 🇵🇷 research that nigga😂😂😂😂😂
I'm confused, what music was Herc playing that set him aside? Did he create his own music? Did he produce his own music? Please don't tell me that this Jamaican brother who grew up in black American culture gets credited as being the "god father" of hip hop simply because he played black American cultural music? Again, what did he do that our people weren't previously doing? What set him aside from those who was doing the same thing BEFORE HIM? It seems to me that the standard was set extremely LOW for Caribbean's and Bahamians to wedge themselves into black American culture while simultaneously erasing the black American brothers and sisters from the Hip Hop history books who came before them
What makes Herc such a big deal in Hip Hop is he was the first Dj to highlight the raw break beat section of specific american funk, r&b/soul, rock records... He was the only dj at the time who accentuated & extended the "BOOM BAP" part of popular black american records which is the most hip hop part of that music... And he was the oinly Dj at that time to have the early beginnings of the first b-boys & breakdancers at his parties as well as Coke La Rock "the first Mc" on the mic... Even though there were other Dj's during that era throwing park jams with huge sound systems, shouting out da crowd, playing funks soul, disco records, exercising the merry-go-round technique etc... None of them were playing the breaks from Apache, Scorpio, Theme from Swat, Funky worm etc... Herc had the more hip hop structured template out of everyone... Herc had an Mc, Herc had B-boys, Herc had a play list that was the closest thing you could get to actually hearing bumping beats at a hip hop jam back then ... None of the other Dj's were doin that... Infact in the begining during that era other Dj's use to dis the break beat sound and didnt want anything to do with it lol... They had much older crowds who thought they were more sophisticated & played more disco in their mixes... Early hip hop was a youth driven inspiration during that era and Herc had a much younger crowd... Those kids werent into disco they wanted to dance to the breaks & Herc catered to that... Herc is the one who pioneered Dj'ing the extended break beat to the forefront... Theres just no disputing that!! His sound system, his Mc, his crowd, his particular choice in music & the breaks he chose to accentuate on his turntables is what evolved into hip hop music...
@@SILVARYDAH Again, the standard seems to be very very low. I'm beginning to believe that all of this confusion about who created the elements of what we know today, as Hip Hop was strategically planed. You grow up in black American culture and through close proximity, the culture consumes you. You later attempt to take ownership of said culture by erasing the true creators from it. After you have successfully erased the first generation of black American who created the elements of the culture, you then separate the entire ethnic group from their own culture and make the culture regional in order to make it easier to be co-opted. After you have successfully made the culture regional, you then lie and credit your Caribbean homeland for creating the culture. Although it was very cut-throat, I must say, that was masterful. Don't you think it's a little strange that these same lies and confusion have been allowed to linger for over 45 years without anyone actually questioning it.
@don catalog
No, Herc and Coke were a continuation of something that was already going on NYC. These Herc's own words:
Q - When did you start to get involved in it?
Herc- I started to get involved in it right after my house got burned down. I was going to parties back then, see. A place called the Tunnel and a place called the Puzzle, right on 161st Street - that was the first disco I used to party at. Me, guys like Phase 2, Stay High, Sweet Duke, Lionel 163 - all the early graffiti writers - used to come through there. It’s where we used to meet up and party at.
Then, years later, [there was this club] called Disco Fever. Disco Fever used to be right here on 167th. But before Disco Fever there was the Puzzle. That was the first Bronx disco.
Q - So back then you still weren’t playing?
Herc- I was dancing, I was partying. Right around 1970, I’m in high school.
Q - That was when b-boying was starting?
Herc - Yeah, people were dancing, but they weren’t calling it b-boying. That was just the break, and people would go off. My terms came in after I started to play - I called them b-boys. Guys just used to breakdance… Right then, slang was in, and we shortened words down. Instead of disrespect, you know, you dissed me. That’s where that came from.
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From Herc's own mouth, he admits that there were bboys dancing to breaks in 1970 at the Tunnel/Plaza disco, 3 years before he was even a dj!!!!!
Herc said when those clubs/discos closed on his side of the Bronx (west side) he looked to continue what those places were already doing!
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herc got his early playlist of breaks from Dj John Brown at the Plaza Disco
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Phase 2 who Herc ran with in the early 1970s said, the Plaza Disco is where breakbeats, bboys and people talking on the mic first started from his POV
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I read your posts before, years back and you always come with information I wasn't aware of. Appreciate that and it inspires me to dig that much deeper into hiphop history, a culture created by FBA/ADOS. So many people deny that we created it but they can't prove it. On the other hand, we're proving we did with a plethora of irrefutable evidence.
@@intelligencehaswon5714 no doubt
Herc was the first to bring the break beat/get down part aka the merry go round 💯
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That would be DJ Pete Jones. You Jamaicans are desperate for clout.
@@intelligencehaswon5714 not according to Grandmaster Flash
This man is a HIP HOP LEGEND and THE WHOLE HIP HOP/RAP COMMUNITY needs to give this man his RESPECT and FLOWERS. To me this man REPERSENTS BLACK HISTORY within the HIP HOP/RAP CULTURE and he needs to get his STORY OUT FOR THE WORLD TO SEE AND HEAR. WE need to PICK HIS BRAIN while he's still LIVING. I hope he continues to give and do more interviews on the EARLY BEGANININGS OF HIP HOP/RAP FROM the late 1960's to the early and mid 1970's. MUCH RESPECT TO YOU MISTER COKE LA ROCK. Tell your TRUTH because HIP HOP/RAP needs to be re-written.
I really did enjoy the Coke interviews for sure.
This is AMAZING WORK, brother, please keep it up. Hip Hp really neeeds the kind of work you are doing to do in depth interviews of early relatively unknown players from all over the Bronx and traingualte their stories to get the most accurate big picture we can of what happened and how hip hop came to be.
Watching this & "Founding Fathers" just shows me how big NYC is, and why we need all these documentaries to tell our history of NYC before the change. Everyone can tell their own story cause it can't be one being we are so big
Your recordings will be needed to tell the old story of NYC without all the lies they will try to tell
Such an incredible interview!!! Coke La Rock is the ONE!!! ✨👑💯🔥
At 45:00 minutes into the video, it appears Herc was not using and q'ing on a mixer until DJ Baron Breakout loaned him a mixer when their amps shutdown at a party....hmm Mike what year was it
That was a mixer with cueing
Your work is invaluable sir. You are doing the work of an investigative journalist. Kudos.
I love these interviews peace and respect to the men and women who started Hip-hop
I love this man! And I'm greatful for what he gave us. Thank you D.J. Kool Herc, thank you M.C. Coke La Rock.
@TPM296 first of all, American Music didn't "influence" Ska and Reggae, it founded it but that doesn't mean Kool her didn't help to create Hip Hop.
For decades I wanted the real story on the genesis of Hip Hop, thank you!!!
I figure it’s safe to say that Coke La Rock is the First MC and Melle Mel is the evolution of the MC. Salute and Honors to all the pioneers of this phenomenal music I love, live and breathe… 🗣🎤👏🏽🎶🔥👑💎🤎💯💪🏾
Coke la rock remind me of me meaning he knew gangs was around but he didn’t live his life worried about them like I knew about the deceptions and what they did in bk were I’m from but I didn’t see them in large formation most of it was stories told to me and yea coke la rock deserves more recognition salute
I respect the work you put in brother!
Thanks for all you do.
Fascinating! A blessing these OGs are still alive.
I got mad at you on the first interview, you erased all errors by asking the perfect questions and letting Coke La Rock answer perfectly. I heard someone say just what Coke just said, nobody did the beats like Herc and nobody talked over the records like Coke and Herc. I salute them, just like I salute you for this great interview.
other people definitely played those beats that herc played. In fact, Herc's direct inspiration is from Dj John Brown and he was playing the same breaks that herc would later adopt to his own playlist. Read below
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Phase 2 (yes, the pioneering graf artists) who Herc used to run with says John Brown's parties in the early 1970s is where he first saw people bboying to breaks, something Herc has also corroborated
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@@hiphophistorian5476 Other DJs played songs that had "get down" or "break" parts but Herc was THE FIRST to devote a segment of his set to ONLY playing the "get down" or "break"
@@JUSLOFI too add to that:
Ced Gee (west bronx) of ultramagnetic, witnessed early herc jams says it's a misconception that Herc was rocking with 2 turntables and looping in the early days. He makes it very clear that Herc was just playing the whole song on 1 turntable
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Clark Kent who didn't get with Herc until late 1974 as I pointed out before, recalls how and when he intoduced the concept of playing double copies to Herc as opposed to spinning two separate records that didn't match in tempos/musically via the "Merry-Go-Round"
Clark Kent: "anyone who was there knew herc only had one copy of apache and he used to mix it with scorpio...that was ok and it worked out for the 'Merry-Go-Round' but I thought it would be better if he had another copy of Apache. We were at the Hevalo (a club) and I gave Herc a/the second copy of Apache. Herc puts on Apache, everyone is anticipating him fading into Scorpio and then all of a sudden, everybody hears Apache come back again, and then everybody went nuts"
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What Herc and the 1973 origin myth is trying to keep under wraps is that while Herc agrees he first started attempting to loop/double copies (the break parts) of the same records at the Hevelo as does Clark Kent, Herc didn't start djing there until 1975/1976 by his own admission!
Interview with herc about when he was at the hevelo:
Herc- This, this was the Hevalo. Now it’s a car park.
Q- What year did you start playing here?
Herc - The good old year here was ’75, ’76.
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uh-oh...Herc 1973 story and looping breaks is looking suspect as hell lol
@@hiphophistorian5476 You think that August 11, 1973 flyer is suspect?
@@JUSLOFI it's fake as hell!
My love and respect to Coke la Rock.. a Bronx legend.
Any r&b and funk music in 70s that had a mid to uptempo was labeled "disco"
facts
Yeah especially if it had Philadelphia Soul vibe
@@omardavis1622 True. Philly Soul is the Disco blueprint
@@hiphophistorian5476 Issac a little too. But Gamble & Huff definitely. Thanks to some of the musicians from MFSB. That don’t get a lot credit for being one of the set of musicians to change music forever. The others off hand. #TheUpSetters #TheMGs #FunkBrothers #TheJBs
@@omardavis1622 facts
This is golden…peace from Brooklyn
I was at that Herc party at Taft School yard ..
Seen him at old timers day at ollinville 2022 kudos
You doing GOD'S work, what a beautiful time period
Rock and Don’t Stop Say What ? Say Weo ! I remember all the phrases Coke and Herc would verbalize on the microphone 🎤
A lot of brothers from back in the day dont give enuff credit to Frankie "Hollywood" Crocker for the influence
Frankie Crocker was a WBLS radio legend, but wasn't directly involved in the scene as it was happening on the streets. He was way ahead of his time though, he had MFSB's "Love Is The Message" in rotation, had Flash's "ADVENTURES OF GRANDMASTER FLASH" in rotation. You could say Frankie Crocker was the first superstar radio DJ who played hip hop.
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true indeed I remember the show when he first played sugar hill when he told New York what he was about do I remember alot of people refusing to allow hip hop to be played I'm 61 and consider myself first generation everything the brothers said was facts we were called hoodlums and hard rocks
@@jaybeelove100 I agree sir. I'm 57 from Queens. I had two turntables and a numark mixer when I was 13 or 14. Was writing rhymes when I was younger.
That "Tplays it cool tune" Marvin Gaye (1st up) is "Revelry" for Bboys...its my alarm clock ...40++ years later and still twangs my soulstring
There was one dude that could dance his ass off and that's Slick Watts from Valentine Ave nobody talks about him .
hahaha CLR is a sharp brotha...OG really holds it down you gotta love it
I'm from east Harlem I was 16 or 17 when I first went to the hevelow
it would be a bomb ass interview to host a panel Bro Michael Waynetv.
FACTS
COKE LA ROCK
Mike need to get these westside and eastside cats in the same room to compare notes
Bladdowww 🔥🙌🏿
The poppin & Lockin was all West.
THATS EXACTLY WHAT IVE BEEN SAYIN'!!!!!!!.
Herc, Coke La Rock, Trixie, Sasa, The Twins came around '73/'74 based on these interviews.
The Black Spades, Disco King Mario, DJ Kool D were around '71/'72.
The video interviews show that the Spades were older and were introducing a youth "mob" type culture while Kool D and Mario were playing the music.
Based on the interviews, Kool Herc did something different by capturing what he saw at these parties by structuring the music for THE ENTIRE PARTY with just the breakbeats. Nothing else.
Based on the interviews, playing music for dancers who later became known as b-boys was not new but Herc structured his sessions to that crowd . Kool D and Mario had been playing breaks without being influenced by Herc. Did they do as other DJ's and play large potions of the record? That's not clear. Maybe they were. According to the video interviews, it seems like they were doing this thing that Herc advanced and became known for approximately 2 years before Herc.
I could be wrong. I'm piecing it all together.
I don't think we'll ever get these cats into one forum at the same time to cross compare histories. Bambaataa is important to hear from also in addition to Africa Islam and an unknown DJ called Smokey.
The '71 thru '73 span is a bit cloudy in trying to ascertain accurate data.
@@carbon6951 West as in "West Bronx"
@@bxdale83 Nah bro.. We all know that B-boying and Breakdancing came out of the Bronx, but "Poppin & Lockin" was something totally different, and it came out of Cali.. Poppin was started in Fresno, CA by "Boogaloo Sam" who was a member of the "Electric Boogaloos" and Lockin came out of Los Angeles, CA from a dude named "Don Campbell" who was a member of "The Lockers"..
In the last 5 minutes, this false and inaccurate theory that Jamaican toasting was the main origin of rapping in HIP HOP DIED WITH THIS VIDEO, IT ENDS TODAY. I always knew rapping was a fully African American creation from the start, but this is concrete evidence for any naysayers that keep telling these total bullshit lies about Hip Hop's history.
Continue to watch Michael Waynetv bruh he has a 2hr Doc on here showing the Jamaicans that these internet TROLLS claim invented Toasting admit on Camera they got it from America. That's how you know that these TETHER BODY SNATCHERS are not looking at his videos.
I take it that you also believe that the earth is flat too...
@@WhenTheLionRoars this means?
Exactly. Jamaicans didn’t even create their own music without us. It’s documented in video, recordings, records and pictures. They try to attach the entire people and island to one man that was molded by Black America.
Yep they have always been doing that and totally exaggerating it. Well it was only a matter of time before the truth came out. I knew it would not be long before African Americans would debunk these bullshit lies.@@harrypool71
Bro, you gotta do a video primarily about the great "Pigmeat Markham".. Even the OG's in the Bronx on your previous videos said they were emulating him when they were rapping.. Pigmeat put out the first Rap Record in 1968.
Yeah yeah 🤣🤣🤣 the first rap record .
@@aferrer74 If you look up "Pigmeat Markham" (Here Comes The Judge) 1968, you'll see it was a record that actually hit the charts and hit 19 on the charts in the UK.. FACTS!!!!
DJ TEX 🇵🇷AND DISCO KING MARIO 🗽-1971
@@BoricuaNyc disco king was boricua.
@@aferrer74 No, Disco King Mario was originally from North Carolina and moved to the Bronx.. Both his parents were foundational black Americans.. Nice Try 😉
Dam I love this dude Coke La Rock when he says he would freestyle talk over the beat like Donald Byrds Dominoes that must've been something to witness ...I always prefer talk or toasting more than actual rhyming ...its more abstract ...plus he very shrewed and strategic he don't want to upset the FBA but at the same time he still Backs the Almighty Kool Herc ....Herc taking alot of heat due to Busta Rhymes and the Gay Dude Bam ....but to fair after the Herculoids the best live session are Zulu Nation and anything with Dj Whiz Kid who for me was the Baddest B.Boy on the planet . Much respect and love to a true Master Mc Coke La Rock.
Freestyling over Dominoes had to be epic!!!
You have to ask. MC. Fever D. About Cedar Park. And what was happening. Since he said that they used to go over there. With Madd Cat's. And what years
True Legend
I'm before. Mele Mel. Many. MC 's. Before 1976. Including me. BL CLientel. From N.B.N.Y. NEWBURGH NY.
thanks.
We need Dj Smokey. He a big missing link
Dj smokey from Harlem?
@@hassanshabazz3386 West Bronx. People who were there said he predated Herc in the West Bronx and was better but his soundsystem wasn't as powerful as herc's
This person is in shadow in hh history
@@hiphophistorian5476 Herculoids shut him down . Herc had that sound clash mentality, that's why he had the most powerful sound system and that's why the dancers followed him around.
Two Great Points here from The Almighty Coke La Rock....Mellee Mel was the First To Rhyme ( although can be disputed.) But Coke La Rock was THE FIRST TO TALK /TOAST On the Mic So he was the First Mc in the Bronx's .. Improvise ( Head Top ) Dedications to his Crew plus In my view Talking Is More Powerful than Rhyming because it's more Abstract. Second Point Coke La Rock States there was no Sound System Culture in the 60s . He says there was Talent Competitions and After Clubs Drink Spots but no Sound Systems. It first emerged in Brooklyn and Queens but it wasn't Hip Hop it was Disco and RnB . . Then Kool D ( From Carolina ) & Tyrone The Mixologist . Also Pete Jones ( from Carolina ) took the Sound system style to the South Bronx's Rosedale and Disco Mario ( from Carolina ) borrowed Kool D Set. Let the Kids rock on the Set and Hip Hop was moulded into a Uniform Style.
Coke La rock wasn’t the first to talk on the mic plus Cowboy was rhyming before Melle Mel
@@brucebanner3935 Cowboy was rhyming before Mel but only freestyle types of get the party hype rhymes. Mel took it further and actually WROTE RHYMES, while Cowboy essentially freestyled on the Mic. Mel wasn't the first rhyming either though..but Mel was most definitely one of the first to turn RAPPING into its own art form completely and separately..which is why Mel and Flash clashed..
@@SILVARYDAH I love Mel and he was the first great Rapper he was the Nas of his time but homie was tripping with that statement.
We were having DJ'S at block parties all over the Country so Coke wasn't saying that he was saying not specifically catering to the Hip-hop Crowd. There's pictures of DJ'S all across the country in the 60's rockin Block Parties plus Coke and Herc did inside Jams. Every club they went to had booths for DJ set ups so we had a DJ culture separate from Hip-hop and Reggae.
@@lroyjetsonson5060 what statement would that be
Respect
Coke la rock would be the first mc. Master of the ceremony. (The host). I love hearing him just talk. 😂 sounds like he spitting bars as he speak.
Crucial ‼️
This that work. This is black American culture.
what do you think of cant. stop wont stop
For some how I'll give Herc the credit cause he laid down the foundation of the breaks for the b boys.
This interviewers trying so hard to discredit Herc!
This one dude said Disco King Mario had three turntables that he used to extend the break. Personally, I think hip hop began when the first B-boys were dancing to the first extended break beat that was created by using two turntables. I don't think it began with rapping. I think rapping came later and it was incorporated into hip hop. I don't think it began with dancing or fashion or slang or none of that. It began with the DJ, two turntables and the B-boys at a party.
@@KtotheG exactly, all fingers point right there!
@@Earthquakeslightningthunder Listen to this channel for the proper education.
@Earthquakeslightningthunder Don't get caught up with what the establishment says. Listen to the people that were there at the time.
Jamaican sound system culture pre-dates Hip Hop by many years. Kook Herc was exposed to the sound system culture in Jamaica when he was a little boy and was already musically inclined before he came to America. When he came to America, he took on Black American culture in the Bronx and practice music in that arena. But the foundation and interest in music started in Jamaica.
Again, it is clear that Herc added something that united everything. They added tomatoes to pizza and icing to cake. If you take away what they added you don't have what we have now. Therefore they deserve their credit. Without the break beats, everything would have been different. That's why the first Hip-Hop performers were from the Bronx where the drums (Break beats) were the most important part of the record. Anybody want a pizza with out pizza sauce and cake with out icing? I hear everybody's story, but the only people that seemed to influence everybody was Herc and Coke. Sounds like the first to me..
In all fairness, I think the problem is that we relied on urban myths, like Herc was the first DJ to use two turntables and extend the breakbeats. GM Flash even did a video disputing what Herc did, because he's credited with what Flash was doing. In Flash's autobiography, he credits Pete DJ Jones for showing him how to mix and blend. If you notice, Coke -La-Rock continues to bring Pete DJ Jones up. In other words, it was a progression and not a creation. Without other DJ's, parties and jams in the parks, you have no Herc and Coke -La-Rock. Georgie Woods, in 1968 took Lionel Hampton's 1967 song Greasy Greens and made a rap song called Potato Salad, with a PT 1 and 2. It's a decade before the Sugar Hill Gang's Rapper's Delight which they rapped over Chic's Good Times. Was Georgie Woods Hip-Hop? No, but as a radio DJ from the 50's, he rhymed in between the breaks of pre-recorded records and did announcements. There were other novelty records made by other radio DJ's in the same format. Again, it's not Hip-Hop music, but it's damn sure the blueprint from another era. Remember, the Whopper is simply a hamburger, it just goes by another name.
Kool Herc invented the “Merry Go Round” and he’s the best🗽🇯🇲🇺🇸❤
@@BoricuaNyc that's just it, if other DJ's cosign that there were other DJ's who were doing it first, well... I think he definitely gets props for using funk and other obscure beats versus the others. But, hey, what do I know? All in all the progression of the music influenced me in a positive way. I'm just willing to give credit where credit is due.
@@BoricuaNyc Well said
The first reported pizzas in Italy had no sauce. Pizzas also have non tomato based sauces. So pizza would still exist with out sauce. KOOL HERC wasn't the first DJ to extend record breaks. KOOL HERC wasn't the first First Hip-hop DJ so it would have still existed. He did put secret spices in our sauce which might have been bland without HERC but all the other ingredients were already there.
HIP HOP was in the park not in the club. Teenagers couldn't get in the clubs. They didn't wear the type of clothing to get in the clubs also!
What year exactly u talking? What cloths exactly were they wearing? I take it u was there as an Eyewitness, Thx.
@@MichaelSmith-qc7nk he's right. Hip hop was in Nyc parks, projects and streets
@@abc876 WHAT ARE U TALKING A ABOUT my bro, I never said anything different than what u are saying, what's ur main point?
@@abc876
he talked about wearing cloths-fashion..
*(THE QUESTION) What exact year, What style of fashion exactly is he talking about, including hair style during that time??
We talking about NYC hip hop FASHION HISTORY.
Dj Jocko Henderson a radio jock was rapping over records in the early 1950s he began his career in Baltimore. And in California you has the Lockers, Pop Lockers, guys doing the Electric Boogaloo as far back as 1969 in the early 1970s Funk Era. This pre dates Break Dancing & B Boy in the 1980s
The Lockers appeared on soul train in 1971
Lockers founded by Don
Campbellock “ Campbell
So Block Parties, DJing and Rythmn Talking Rap
Just didn’t begin in New York lol
Black Radio Dj we’re doing that down South, in the 40s-50s
Jive talking goes all the way back to the 1920s
Research it
Hip hop began with the DJ extending the break beat using two turntables so that the B-boys could get down longer, being that the breaks were normally not longer than a few seconds. It didn't begin with rapping. Rapping was added later to hype up the B-boys. The fashion, the slang, the jewels, the getting money aspect, and even the graffiti were all customs and behaviors of the B-boys.
Hip Hop DJ wouldn’t have existed without Black American Style Music is My point. And how could first generation Jamaicans immigrate to America and create a style off Blk American Music a style that never existed in Jamaica prior to them immigrating to America in mass after the Civil Right movement
All Disco was for example was orchestrated extended dance music you had a 45 version single, then the LP Album version. Extended long version.
Two Raggae inspired music culture 1970s Movies The Harder They Come Jimmy Cliff 1972
Rockers 1978 don’t feature any type of Hip Hop style DJ-ing , Fashion, Music, Dancing or Rapping (Ebonics) so it’s obvious they were introduced to this style upon arrival to America begining in the 1970s. I’m looking at the Full Black American Music Experience not just Hip Hop which is on the tail end.
Because it all started around the sametime the Funk, Disco and Jazz Fusion emerged and that’s in the late 1960s early 1970s.
Like Rock n Roll ( up temple R&B ) that goes all the way back to the 1930s it reached it Zenith in the 1950s.
@@CoolOnes5150 I'm with you, but I'm just trying to arrive at a starting point when all of those elements came together. We can't go by the starting point of each element, because that's not hip hop. I used to believe the Kool Herc myth, too, but after watching these videos, I'm starting to come around to what Phase is saying. The main reason why Kool Herc gets credited as being the founding father is because his party in '73 was the first to be documented via a flyer. But there other DJs combining all of the elements together before Herc. He learned from those guys.. But he does claim that he invented the "merry-go-round" technique of looping the breaks. That's the biggest point of contention for me, because I believe that actually started hip hop. However, other DJs are being credited with starting the merry-go-round first... Since Herc was actually documented first, people believe him on that, too. The biggest problem is that we can only go by word of mouth... and people can say anything.
@@KtotheG
I agree with you. I’m not sure when Herc immigrated to America but it would seem impossible to me for a newly arrived immigrant Jamaicans to come to America & create a musical style , Urban slang, dress, dances here that didn’t exist in Jamaica prior to his family & Jamaicans immigrating here. So it’s obvious where they got it from.
I think Busta & Fat Joe just laid low and didn’t expect anybody to say anything.
And to date I’ve yet to see Fat Joe or Busta Rhymes produce any receipts to justify their claims because Hip Hops a funk based Culture and not Salsa or a Reggae based culture. The style spirit and temperament of the music sampled isn’t Reggaton Island based. It’s the Funk Disco.
Herc reminds me of 1950s White Ohio DJ Alan Freed who simply picked up the term Rock n Roll (Which was Black Slang used in Blues & R&B ) and started calling White artist interpretations of R&B “ Rock n Roll” while never acknowledging he got the term from Black Music.
Truth will prevail
@@CoolOnes5150 Dude, you do not know anything about Jamaican sound system culture and dancehall. Jamaican sound system culture pre-dates Hip Hop by many years. Kook Herc was exposed to the sound system culture in Jamaica when he was a little boy and was already musically inclined before he came to America. When he came to America, he took on Black American culture in the Bronx and practice music in that arena. But the foundation and interest in music started in Jamaica.
Kool DJ Dee had equipment before Herc . It’s documented that Herc bought the same equipment Kool dj Dee had. So obviously Kool DJ Dee was before Herc.
No he wasn’t. Macintosh wasn’t Herc first equipment either. Post the flyers that proof he was before Herc or shut up
Herc didn't know who DJ Dee was before he started playing. Dee was not making any noise that West was aware of.
@@soulknob That wasn't Jay B's point. The point was he was in the culture before Herc. So Herc was playing catch up with the equipment. Another thing people ironically gloss over is Herc didn't have Huge Ghetto Blasters at his first couple Jams.
@@lroyjetsonson5060 exactly!
Wait up! Wasn't DISCO KING MARIO Before Kool herc???
yes Mario was before herc playing funk soul r&b OUTSIDE in the parks and "projects"... Mario talking on a echo chamber etc... coke la rock and kool herc was the ones to bring breakdance breakbeats into nightclubs for B.BOYS...B.Boy breakdance BATTLES became a big thing in the bronx nightclubs
Tex🇵🇷DJ Hollywood was DJaying with Disco King Mario but everyone seems to leave him out when mentioning King Mario 🤔
Why are people so vexed about the contributions that Caribbeans made. Grandmaster Flash is from Barbados. Can anyone doubt his contributions to hip Hop?
Respect to flash for his contributions. The problem is alot caribbean folks are now all of sudden claiming that they're the creators of Hip Hop and we're not having it smh
It’s jealousy that the Caribbeans were a BIG part of hip hop culture 🗽
@@BoricuaNyc You're just projecting, Because it's the jealously from Carribean folks because Hip Hop is FBA culture
@@melanatedwarrior3530 they're buggin'. i'm west indian and i can give props to the early cats on the mics known as "DJs" in jamaica, but the break beats and rhyming over them is not a jamaican invention, although a LOT of early mc's were jamaican. the thing is you simply cannot take the neighborhoods and ethnic make up of everyone around OUT of the mix of cultures. lots of the breakbeats being played were created by multi racial bands using congas, timbales, etc. it's easy to have pride and to want to claim something as your own but the reality is much more complex and not easy to single out one defining characteristic. this is part of the genius of hip hop in and of itself. its ability to take bits and pieces from its environment and recreate those bits into something wholly original.
@@SILVARYDAH Hip Hop music derives from funk, soul, Disco and R&B music, So where did you get congas and timbales from lol. I think alot of y'all are really going overboard with this ethnic makeup talk, Because other groups don't have any influence on Black Americans and I'm from the Bronx, But i never really cared for other people's music or cultures.
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where Herc got a mixer - boom!
There's a "Black" Disco now???
The original "Disco" was black overground and non-gay where they played Funk/Soul music. These were the mobile jocks like Grandmaster Flowers. White gay men caught on like Dave Mancusso and Nicky Siano and they associated with black gay djs like Larry Levan and Frankie Knuckles and played the same Funk/Soul records w/ mixing in some "Euro" stuff like Kraftwerk.. HipHop came from the straight overground scene
@@hiphophistorian5476 Kraftwerk isn't Disco. I never heard anyone call Disco "Black" Disco, in my life. Must be some new shit. Just like this whole Hip-Hop remix, that it's from somewhere down south, from the 1930's.
@@randee4550 white discos/djs played kraftwerk is what I'm telling you and yes, there was "Black" disco because Disco came from Soul and Funk music before a specific sub-sound (PHilly soul via Earl Young's 4/4 hissing hi-hat sound) was rebranded and marketed as "Disco". White disco djs played all the Philly Soul, Motown, etc.. type stuff just like the black djs but they also played stuff like Kraftwork/other Euro imports that black overground djs never touched but you might here some black gay djs played.
If you were to see a playlist of the black disco djs, you would see many of the foundational bboy breaks listed. Grandmaster Flowers was mixing Babe Ruth "The Mexican" and James Brown "Give It Turn It Loose" before those songs became bboy anthems!
if you saw a list of what some of the white djs played, you would see stuff like Kraftwerk included. In fact, Afrika Bambatta discovered Kraftwork through a white dj disco record pool!
@@hiphophistorian5476 Bro. I never heard ANYBODY call it "Black" Disco was Disco, when I came up, in the 70's. The gay shit, comes s little later. There was just one Disco. Donna Summer, Heatwave, Anita Ward, even Michael Jackson. But I never saw a separation. I used to go to the roller skating rinks, and they'd play Chic, and Sylvester. It was dance music. The whole "Black" shit, wasn't a thing. I don't know what jams you were attending, but that's not my experience, growing up in The Bronx.
Not everyone know about Kraftwerk either. That was some Euro shit. Bam had all the obscure records, from Brazil, Africa, etc.
But niggaz also played Bob James, Average White Band, etc. By the time Hip-Hop was a thing, tons of "white" artists breaks, were being cut up. James Brown was instrumental, but not an ultimate factor. The B-Boy jams, were songs like "Yellow Sunshine", "Castles In The Sky", "Brother Greene", etc. THOSE are the B-Boy jams.
@@randee4550 To the outwards (outside of NYC) public there was one "Disco" but in NYC there were actually two world of Disco.
1) The OG black disco that was straight and while having clubs was dominate by mobile jocks like Pete DJ Jones, Grandmaster Flowers, Nu Sounds, Reggie Wells etc...
2) The white imitation of the black scene but was ran by gay white men like Dave Mancusso of the Loft and Nicky Siano of the Gallery. This scene was more intergrated/multi-racial (you had gay black djs in this scene like Larry Levan) and became the face of "Disco" in the overall mainstream. This scene is why people associate "Disco" with gay subculture
read more here
i.imgur.com/0uWufAw.jpg
read these artciles from black djs from that time periord where they put the two scene into proper context
Dj Ron Plummer from the black straight overground scene (an influence on Bambatta and Flash)
www.oldschoolhiphop.com/interviews/djplummer.htm
DJ Tony Smith also from the straight black crowd but also dj'ed with gay scene
daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2019/01/tony-smith-interview
Pete DJ Jones also from the straight scene but had contact with the gay scene explains the difference
daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2019/01/pete-dj-jones-interview
For more, check out the book After Dark: Birth of the Disco Dance Party"
discoafterdark.com/the-music/queens-college-students-studied-the-book-after-dark-birth-of-the-disco-dance-party/
youtube clip on book---> th-cam.com/video/tHFYLLDgtPE/w-d-xo.html
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"Not everyone know about Kraftwerk either. That was some Euro shit. Bam had all the obscure records, from Brazil, Africa, etc."
Bam learned about it from white record pool. Most of Bams material came from those disco/rock record pools, He talks about it here
Q- What were the other tunes you discovered that way?
Baam - “Trans Europe Express.”
Q- How did you discover Kraftwerk, do you remember?
Baam - It was from some record store downtown, in the Village.
Q - What was the very first downtown gig you played?
Baam - It was probably the Jefferson and the Mudd club.
Q - And that was for Freddy?
Baam - Yeah, and the head of the rock pool at the time, I forget his name.
Q - How did you feel about that, cos it’s a totally different audience. What was the party like?
Baam - Oh, they were funky, they got loose. They liked the shit I was playing, Ohio Players, Kool and the Gang, Jungle Boogie all that stuff, mixed with the breakbeats and the disco stuff. Once I was getting more into the rock pool and hearing a lot of punk rock records I started playing a lot of their stuff. Flying Lizards and all that other type of things that I might think that would get over there. And that’s when my following started happening. “I want you at Jefferson.” “I want you at the Mudd Club.” “I want you at Danceteria.” I need you at the…
daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2017/04/afrika-bambaataa-interview
"But niggaz also played Bob James, Average White Band, etc. By the time Hip-Hop was a thing, tons of "white" artists breaks, were being cut up. James Brown was instrumental, but not an ultimate factor. The B-Boy jams, were songs like "Yellow Sunshine", "Castles In The Sky", "Brother Greene", etc. THOSE are the B-Boy jams."
The early years was mostly James Brown stuff (his music was pretty much the only music with funky drumming parts where the music would drop out hence why he's considered the father of HipHOp from a musical perspective. James Brown invented breakbeats) because most songs didn't have breaks on them until James' Funk formula started spreading by the mid to late 1970s. This is when you started hearing Funky Rock songs (Billy Squire Big beat), Funky Jazz songs (Take Me To The Mardi Gras by Bob james) and obviously Funky Disco songs (Good Times by chic)
Mike. You need to interview. Clark Kent. The Nigga Twins. Eldorado Mike. Somebody from Webster the 9. And the other side of the BRONX
9:57 - 10:01 So in the other video, I believe you said you shopped a AJ Lester, Pathmark, or other high-end clothing stores wearing $100 shirts and $1000 outfits but HERE you’re saying “we ain’t have no money”. Come on man… which is it? 🤔
Respect to Coke La Rock though…
Talk too em coke, let it be known...
He said you couldn’t tell Jamaican and Puerto Ricans from blacks
So Coke LaRock was inspired by Felipe Luciano? A PR???? FBA is about to have a heart attack! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He did not say Felipe Luciano, he simply said some of his inspiration was The Last Poets. No mention of Felipe Luciano alone, stop lying.
@@ogwilliams8068 But Felipe Luciano🇵🇷🗽 is from the last poets. Fat Joe is right 50/50
@@BoricuaNyc There were many members,, but they were mostly African American. They had a couple of PR members later after they formed.
@@ogwilliams8068 He made mention, to this joint. That's not Felipe Luciano?
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@@randee4550 your reaching with this one. Felipe Luciano was just one of the members of the Last Poets,,, he was not a founding member and the Last Poets stuff was FBA not PR anyway.
All this becayse the man is Jamaican!
How can Melle Mel say he created the word MC when that goes back to the forties hahaha. And I'm sorry, hard to believe there were no Puerto Ricans in that club... probably true that they didn't advertise they were. that's why Charlie Chase got so hated he was a very proud Puerto Rican and made no ifs and buts about it . Would even play Latin beats.
CooloutAC ... you said "AND I'M SORRY, HARD TO BELIEVE THERE WERE NO PUERTO RICANS IN THAT CLUB"... I know ...its hard for a lot of younger ppl to believe... but back then things were different... if you were born in the 1950's you would know!!
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 Well in NYC races were mixing even in the 50s. And we talking about the 70s. Whether they were mixing at that particular club you're right I have no idea. All I know is it is a Puerto Rican Neighborhood now and the club name sure sounds latin also. But who knows. But don't you think its weird Coke La Rock claims he didn't even know Herc was Jamaican? Claims he had 3 puerto rican friends and didn't even know they were puerto rican. Chances are you were there dancing with Puerto Ricans and YOU didn't even know. Either that or he is a liar. lol
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 You didn't really see bands mixing races in big dancehalls or on major labels until the 60s though. It was the jazz and Salsa bands.
Grand Master flower
herc was not the first in anything of Hip Hop because older African Americans DJs and emcees had developed Hip Hop.
Yall kill me at trying to figure out if black people started hip hop. Duh.. WE DID... who cares we don't own it now. I'm trying to figure out what made coke la rock start rhyming😮💨
@akebulanmusic...smh.. we do own it now!!... just go get a park permit and put on a JAM IN YOUR COMMUNITY...Hire a local DJ.. put local emcees on the microphone.....Its easy!!... as far as caucasian music industry and the record business... the only thing we can do about that is STRAIGHT IGNORE THE HIPHOP WE DONT WANNA HEAR...simple..the point is real hiphop is always in our hands
Coke la rock got played by herc.
THE STYLE. Was Similar everywhere. As the Culture is considered. But. THE Continued playing. BEATS. Not break BEATS. FUNK. Was cultural. I'm not from the BRONX.
Seems to me white people came through and gave him that title 🤷🏾♂️
Yep, they are also part of the problem too.
No MARIO wouldn’t get the credit because Kool Herc was playing at Cedar Park and other parks before MARIO had equipment
Mario borrowed equipment before he got his own.. That takes nothing away from Mario.
Tethers are always trying to take credit away from FBA'S, How about create own sh!t for a change and stop leeching off of us smh
@@melanatedwarrior3530 Stay mad🤣🤣
Kool Herc was the first who invented the “Merry Go Round”🎼
@@BoricuaNyc Meanwhile you're the one who stalks every channel that mentions the real true origins of Hip Hop, For obvious reasons🤣
So black struggle made Hip Hop that's all i need to know all that other bs is out the door 🤓
This guy is fishing for something trying to disprove that herd didnt created hip hop
He’s not fishing. He’s interviewing the Pioneers who were actually there to correct all the misinformation that continues to be recklessly spewed these days.
Lol 🤣 Herc clearly did NOT create Hip-Hop.. Besides, one person did not create Hip-Hop.. That means Herc would have had to create all 4 of the elements.. Rapping, DJing, Graffiti and B-Boying.. Herc did NOT create any of those arts..Stop repeating nonsense of nerds from Harvard and Yale University.. People who weren't even there.
Facts. Coke La rock was being nice to him. That’s the sole purpose of this interview to discredit Herc which will automatically discredit Coke La Rock. He doesn’t care about Coke’s well being even was speaking to him disrespectfully about weed and health. All the dudes that passed away on this channel were younger than Coke La Rock
@@brucebanner3935 How can he "DISCREDIT" Herc when Herc has never made any of these claims himself?? I think what you meant to write is "He's trying to discredit the claims put on Herc".
Still waiting for someone to show me where DJ Cool Herc himself has claimed to create Hip-Hop.. I'm still waiting 😐
When is hip hop gonna finally come clean on where hip hop got it's fashion statement look from??
NYC BROS DID NOT CREATE **(THE UNIFORM), but borrowed it from a previous Black Culture genre, but never gave credit where credit is due.
All thru this video the O.G. bros who was there, unlike most of these haters, testified and explain exactly what early hip hop was wearing for fashion.
FAT JOE SAID IT best, (WE GOT THE PICTURES) and all y'all pictures prove 100% that NYC BROS BORROWED HIP HOP FASHION and did not create it as shown in all the early pictures,
Case closed, MIC DROP!, I'm done!
Nobody challenging Me with Facts to dispute y'all historical pictures, only emotion, hurt feelings, and bruised egos is all.
So tell us... Where did hip hop get its fashion statement look from!!??? What previous black culture genre did nyc bros borrow from???
Borrowed it FROM WHERE BRO. Next thing folks will be saying NYC "borrowed" hip hop itself from elsewhere. Gtfoh.
@@alpinemedina1422 Everyone in know knows about the Trend Setters creating **(THE UNIFORM), this style of dress did not exist in NYC prior to the bros removing and cutting off their '70s AFROS enmass city wide to even accommodate a fitted sports team Baseball cap.
Trend Setters cut off and removed their '70s Afros in 1975, this can not be said of NYC HIP HOP at that time, so how u wearing fitted caps on top of ur (Jackson 5 Afros)?
Briefly stated, **(THE UNIFORM) a popular look, was often seen at all Go Go Music events starting in the 1970s.
But we can clearly see the documentation thru videos, photos, etc. of exactly how early NYC hip hop dressed, and the evidence clearly reveals they did not promote **(THE UNIFORM) in the early days whatsoever, but adopted it during many collaborations with a previous Black Culture genre originating in Chocolate City.
Holla back!
@@SILVARYDAH why u mad? The bro clearly stating in the video exactly what they was wearing in the early days of hip hop, were u listening?
He told u the stores where they shopped and everything, u can clearly see exactly how early hip hop dressed, u even saw '70s Afros.
Are u putting 2 and 2 together?
NYC HIP HOP BROS in the '70s was not wearing the iconic**(UNIFORM) at all.
What Artist in the '70s was Wearing **(THE UNIFORM), I'll wait.
@@MichaelSmith-qc7nk
good sir, I'm not clear when you refer to early hip hop fashion as "the uniform". No disrespect or sarcasm intended brother. Fashion changes in the streets of NYC yearly. Would that be a true statement? Hip hop fashion when we speak of as a culture is wide and it often repeats itself in cycles. Would that be true too?
Ex: Kangol caps that Biggie Smalls wore is hip hop fashion, but before Kangol produced those specific caps a company by the name of KOOL KAPS was making that same style. It was just street fashion back then not hip hop fashion.
not trying to argue but the culture of dress, swag, lingo is vast brother.
That's why I wasn't too clear on your point
See that's the problem that black spades these senior citizens dudes talk all this shit and can't prove nothing 🤣🤣 look @ the flyer The Hevelow ( A Kool Herc Production. ) and coke la rock . The spades are all mouth no pictures or footage 🤣🤣🤣🤣
If u make claims, u need to back it up with 100% facts,
Where are the early hip hop pictures proving they even created the hip hop fashion statement look of the '80s crack era hustler look,
All I see is the opposite in all their early pictures, a bunch of '70s Afros etc.
They need to bring receipts or stop the cap!
If you research deeper, you will discover why there were not many flyers to promote the jams back then. Do the research before you start speaking recklessly u will appear far more intelligent.
Literally nothing to validate anything. Just stories. Note that the interviewer wasn’t even of age when these events that he concocted were happening. He and Phase are like the same age. Or Phase might have got him by a few yrs.
@@MichaelSmith-qc7nk the person that took all the pictures and footage in the early 1970’s was a Puerto Rican 🇵🇷 and all that pictures and footage are in the hip-hop museum 😂
@@FBA_AllTHEWAY the thing is u don't sound intelligent 😂 I think u didn't get far in school 😂 remember u are a black American u guys don't even know your own black history 😂 the father of black history was a Puerto Rican 🇵🇷 research that nigga😂😂😂😂😂
I'm confused, what music was Herc playing that set him aside?
Did he create his own music?
Did he produce his own music?
Please don't tell me that this Jamaican brother who grew up in black American culture gets credited as being the "god father" of hip hop simply because he played black American cultural music?
Again, what did he do that our people weren't previously doing?
What set him aside from those who was doing the same thing BEFORE HIM?
It seems to me that the standard was set extremely LOW for Caribbean's and Bahamians to wedge themselves into black American culture while simultaneously erasing the black American brothers and sisters from the Hip Hop history books who came before them
Herc was putting together break beats. His system was singular. Coke started freestyling on the mic. Herc was neighborhood famous. There.
@@SILVARYDAH Understood. So he was the first to do "break beats" ?
What makes Herc such a big deal in Hip Hop is he was the first Dj to highlight the raw break beat section of specific american funk, r&b/soul, rock records... He was the only dj at the time who accentuated & extended the "BOOM BAP" part of popular black american records which is the most hip hop part of that music... And he was the oinly Dj at that time to have the early beginnings of the first b-boys & breakdancers at his parties as well as Coke La Rock "the first Mc" on the mic... Even though there were other Dj's during that era throwing park jams with huge sound systems, shouting out da crowd, playing funks soul, disco records, exercising the merry-go-round technique etc... None of them were playing the breaks from Apache, Scorpio, Theme from Swat, Funky worm etc... Herc had the more hip hop structured template out of everyone... Herc had an Mc, Herc had B-boys, Herc had a play list that was the closest thing you could get to actually hearing bumping beats at a hip hop jam back then ... None of the other Dj's were doin that... Infact in the begining during that era other Dj's use to dis the break beat sound and didnt want anything to do with it lol... They had much older crowds who thought they were more sophisticated & played more disco in their mixes... Early hip hop was a youth driven inspiration during that era and Herc had a much younger crowd... Those kids werent into disco they wanted to dance to the breaks & Herc catered to that... Herc is the one who pioneered Dj'ing the extended break beat to the forefront... Theres just no disputing that!! His sound system, his Mc, his crowd, his particular choice in music & the breaks he chose to accentuate on his turntables is what evolved into hip hop music...
@@SILVARYDAH Again, the standard seems to be very very low.
I'm beginning to believe that all of this confusion about who created the elements of what we know today, as Hip Hop was strategically planed.
You grow up in black American culture and through close proximity, the culture consumes you.
You later attempt to take ownership of said culture by erasing the true creators from it.
After you have successfully erased the first generation of black American who created the elements of the culture, you then separate the entire ethnic group from their own culture and make the culture regional in order to make it easier to be co-opted.
After you have successfully made the culture regional, you then lie and credit your Caribbean homeland for creating the culture.
Although it was very cut-throat, I must say, that was masterful.
Don't you think it's a little strange that these same lies and confusion have been allowed to linger for over 45 years without anyone actually questioning it.
@@alpinemedina1422 So what you are essentially attempting to say is that the elements of Hip Hop began with Herc? That's not true.