I think the international studdents are key part of Australia's economy.. If australia cuts off 90% of thier students... 90% of private and public colleges universities will shut down causing another big problem. And i believe recent studies shows that only 4% of the total population are on international students/workerd visas.. So the government is also a part of the problem for the current housing crisis due to poor planing and management . They are just making the international students thier scapegoat to thier problems
Even if the government knows that (and i am sure they do), they're looking ahead for the elections now and will toe the populist line. Wouldnt be surprised if all these interventions are up in the air after the government is decided.
Hello! I have a question that is not part of the topic of the video, if you could answer me I would appreciate it very much. I applied for my father's E651 visa and I omitted a letter of the name (Gheorghe/Gheoghe), the visa is approved, I also checked on vevo and the mistake is there too. Everything else coincides. Is there anything else I can do to correct the mistake? thank you!
That will be disaster for those who are involved in student housing. Many universities will fall short in revenue and needs funding. otherwise university staffs got to be laid off. I foresee Australia universities will not be in the world's top list.
The numbers are way off. 1. Net Overseas Migration takes into account departures too, not just arrivals. That 260k is already a net figure, meaning arrivals less departures. Australia can accept more people than 260k and still meet the target, if the additional number of arrivals is offset by a higher number of people leaving. 2. The 185k is the number of places for permanent migration, not how many people will arrive in Australia with permanent visas. As you know, a huge chunk (I believe a majority but not sure) of those granted permanent visas are already onshore holding other visas at the time of the grant. So they don't count towards arrivals.
The problem with your assumption is that the government uses the number of granted visas, they check the visa type at the time of arrival instead, so any permanent resident who enters the country is added towards the net calculation (for example somebody going on vacation in June and returning in July will be counted as arrival). In addition, the percentage of arrivals for int students is around 38%, so even in the most optimistic scenario (200k people leaving), no increase in temporary working and external pr arrivals we are looking around 176k. Which is a big 38% decrease. In reality I think the temp skilled and overseas pr arrivals will increase.
@julian_online Assuming you are correct, that PRs who leave the country in the previous FY and come back in the current FY are counted towards PR arrivals for the current FY, I really doubt their numbers are significant enough to warrant a change in the migration target. Are PRs leaving Australia en masse in January and not coming back until July? I don't think they are and I don't see any reason why they would do so in large numbers. Also, wouldn't that number be somehow offset the following year by PRs who leave the country in the current FY but don't come back until the next FY, such that the effect is even smaller? 2. I don't understand your second point. How did you come up with 176k? What does that include? And when you say there is a 38% decrease, what was decreased and from what number?
@ChannelAMEC Then there's a good chance they stay in the country. But that has no effect on net overseas migration. NOM only takes into account arrivals and departures, not how many people are staying. If you are referring to recent arrivals (i.e. within the current FY), they're already counted in the NOM for the year in which they arrived.
I’m kinda of surprised at how narrow this analysis was done… Sometimes you just need to compare the two sides of the equation, if the target number of migrants is a few tens of thousands and onshore nowadays Australia have hundreds of thousands, even though they don’t grant a single visa and send all 408 visa holders home, it wouldn’t be possible without cancelling onshore people’s visa out of the blue. None of these numbers makes sense exactly because they don’t disclose how many are for international students and how many are for other visas (excluding 408 and backpackers, you haven't mentioned 485, for example, 820 and 300 are also temporary visas) and combining these two pieces of information (skilled migration vs. temporary migration) to create this video is a major disservice to the community. That is not how data should be dealt with, what a freestyle statistic, really. Be careful, lots of people are watching your videos and not everybody has a minimum knowledge of migration or statistics to absorb this information correctly, especially after the way you presented it.
I think the international studdents are key part of Australia's economy.. If australia cuts off 90% of thier students... 90% of private and public colleges universities will shut down causing another big problem. And i believe recent studies shows that only 4% of the total population are on international students/workerd visas.. So the government is also a part of the problem for the current housing crisis due to poor planing and management
. They are just making the international students thier scapegoat to thier problems
Even if the government knows that (and i am sure they do), they're looking ahead for the elections now and will toe the populist line. Wouldnt be surprised if all these interventions are up in the air after the government is decided.
You are concern for Australia, that's nice of you.
Let see how many survive after
Hello! I have a question that is not part of the topic of the video, if you could answer me I would appreciate it very much. I applied for my father's E651 visa and I omitted a letter of the name (Gheorghe/Gheoghe), the visa is approved, I also checked on vevo and the mistake is there too. Everything else coincides. Is there anything else I can do to correct the mistake? thank you!
Hello, do you if the age requirement apply to the replacement 485 visa that was set up by the Morrison gvt?
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getting rid of their third largest export and significant chunk of work force in DURING a per capita recession? what could possibly go wrong?
They have not been steering at the right direction for decades
That will be disaster for those who are involved in student housing. Many universities will fall short in revenue and needs funding. otherwise university staffs got to be laid off. I foresee Australia universities will not be in the world's top list.
Pretty sure this charade will only be on until elections. Back to business after that.
it's a black hole
Good
The numbers are way off.
1. Net Overseas Migration takes into account departures too, not just arrivals. That 260k is already a net figure, meaning arrivals less departures. Australia can accept more people than 260k and still meet the target, if the additional number of arrivals is offset by a higher number of people leaving.
2. The 185k is the number of places for permanent migration, not how many people will arrive in Australia with permanent visas. As you know, a huge chunk (I believe a majority but not sure) of those granted permanent visas are already onshore holding other visas at the time of the grant. So they don't count towards arrivals.
The problem with your assumption is that the government uses the number of granted visas, they check the visa type at the time of arrival instead, so any permanent resident who enters the country is added towards the net calculation (for example somebody going on vacation in June and returning in July will be counted as arrival). In addition, the percentage of arrivals for int students is around 38%, so even in the most optimistic scenario (200k people leaving), no increase in temporary working and external pr arrivals we are looking around 176k. Which is a big 38% decrease. In reality I think the temp skilled and overseas pr arrivals will increase.
@julian_online Assuming you are correct, that PRs who leave the country in the previous FY and come back in the current FY are counted towards PR arrivals for the current FY, I really doubt their numbers are significant enough to warrant a change in the migration target. Are PRs leaving Australia en masse in January and not coming back until July? I don't think they are and I don't see any reason why they would do so in large numbers.
Also, wouldn't that number be somehow offset the following year by PRs who leave the country in the current FY but don't come back until the next FY, such that the effect is even smaller?
2. I don't understand your second point. How did you come up with 176k? What does that include? And when you say there is a 38% decrease, what was decreased and from what number?
good analysis, now the problem is how to ensure that onshore migrants WOULD NOT renew their visa upon expiratory??
@ChannelAMEC Then there's a good chance they stay in the country. But that has no effect on net overseas migration. NOM only takes into account arrivals and departures, not how many people are staying.
If you are referring to recent arrivals (i.e. within the current FY), they're already counted in the NOM for the year in which they arrived.
so what if there are less people willing to depart? Which is very likely.how would this equation be?
Sad but there will be less competition for work and cheaper rent? I don’t know. Sucks eitherway. Migrants should remember this for a long time
Australian will soon learn a lesson
@@ChannelAMEC agree and it will be a rude awakening.
The majority of the international students come to work.
Yeah. They should stop to work and start to enjoy the cheap Australian lifestyle. :)
I force myself to work because the rent is so high
@@javar1987 students can work 20hr/week.
Who's gona pay the bills ur mom lol?
They also pay taxes to the government. If the government wanted, they could have removed work rights. Wonder why have they not done that yet ?
I’m kinda of surprised at how narrow this analysis was done… Sometimes you just need to compare the two sides of the equation, if the target number of migrants is a few tens of thousands and onshore nowadays Australia have hundreds of thousands, even though they don’t grant a single visa and send all 408 visa holders home, it wouldn’t be possible without cancelling onshore people’s visa out of the blue. None of these numbers makes sense exactly because they don’t disclose how many are for international students and how many are for other visas (excluding 408 and backpackers, you haven't mentioned 485, for example, 820 and 300 are also temporary visas) and combining these two pieces of information (skilled migration vs. temporary migration) to create this video is a major disservice to the community. That is not how data should be dealt with, what a freestyle statistic, really. Be careful, lots of people are watching your videos and not everybody has a minimum knowledge of migration or statistics to absorb this information correctly, especially after the way you presented it.
Easy number, easy comparison... complex number fools the public. Just check and ask around the industry, everyone is crying out