What I like about this interview is that it's not a recycle from MacG's one. You were able to identify gaps and ask fresh questions which shows that you did research. I enjoyed it.
L tido from the first episode I've been watching your podcast but eish I find it difficult to watch this one due to language, subtitles at least my brother
They say never want to meet a celebrity you look up to or loved growing up because most times they won’t live up to the person you thought they’d be BUT Tido you proved this saying ALL THE WAY WRONG!!!!! I couldn’t be happier for Shebe and the young boy he was, clear to see you’re everything he thought you’d be & more. And it’s crazy because I feel like Shebe did the same for you,he exceeded what you thought he was. This was beautiful to watch🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 beautiful doesn’t even begin to describe it to be quite frank🙌🏾👑 THIS IS LEGENDARY Lalela I’ll learn whatever language Shebe speaks just for him😂🙌🏾such a rare beautiful soul. He’s so refreshing. He stands for loyalty,respect & love. I learnt so much from this interview about him than I could’ve learnt anywhere else. Thank you so much for this podcast Tido Your work doesn’t go unseen & you might not see it now but you’re truly living in your purpose. You’re operating on love,I see it. This whole podcast was created on Love & reminding people we’re all just human beings before everything else. People tend to forget sometimes before you’re a celebrity you’re a brother,a son,a cousin ,an uncle, mzalwane and just a human being having a human experience in a passing world. We love you Tido, Shebe you’re a breath of fresh air & have a heart of gold. We love you,never let this world change you no matter what you go through stay true to yourself. Tido please help Shebe navigate & move around in the industry. Please protect him he needs your guidance. There’s only one Shebe There’s only one Tido They’ll never be another🐐🐐🐐♥️ Honestly love you guys,I have so much respect for you both Kings👑
Shebe preaches loyalty more than anything. From what i see he's the one holding his circle together, i hope his friends venture in other businesses to tie into what he's doing. Thats how communities are built.
this guy is fuckeng intelligent, he is a blessing to the masses n he is real, GOD blessed a real G. He might have his past but he shows he has changed n want to change peoples life. I love this man, he is an embodiment of leadership.
What I like about this episode is that L tido played the videos of him beating people in front of him to explain no one has never thought of that ❤❤ i also that verse of nasty C zaba zaba
This really shows how genuine Shebe is from growing up to the life he's living now. Maphorisa yena he's a knock off straight thank you Shebe wena Maphorisa izinyembezi zabantu aziweliphatsi
Honestly decided to watch this episode after his been trending about being in an accident have never really understood what his about. I have so much respect for how much he loves his daughter 😢not many man are willing to transition with the father title and make their kids the center of their lives. I feel so sad for him that he lost his princess may God give him strength
Besides his looks as for us guys who grew up in street with grootmans who who can outsmart like him that's why we like him his charisma and sense of humor really represents mzansi street life cant forget the taal above all he's wise
I'm glad you didn't do repetitions of Shebeshxt previous interviews. Your questions were respectful and not coming from judgment. And i appreciate that you're willing to share the knowledge and things that can help him in the industry. ❤❤❤
This was so inspirational, the way shebe is as a person makes me self inspect and want to be a real, brave, considerate, thoughtful and caring person ❤
L Tido is a grootman you can tell that he got some Alex genes 🧬 in his blood. This video touches so many angles on the man Shebe no sensationalisation just a pure conversation 🎉
I usually download podcasts to watch later so that I save data but with no option to download this episode because it’s ShebeMabena Kampan data ya fela definitely streaming this one 🔥🔥😂♥️♥️🤘🏾
I have met Shebe once in passing, even shook his hand. But I would much love to sit down with him and talk to him and gain some more wisdom. I am a big fan. ❤
I enjoyed this interview so much!!!! Shebe is the realest man, 🙌 L-Tido was clever enough to not use the same angle as Mac. He unwrapped another layer of Shebe that we ddnt know was there...much love . The closing prayer from him was everything 🙏 ❤️
1:15:45 just letting you know I actually went to listen to the song just for the zabazabazaizai then quickly came back to finish the episode....😂😂😂shout out to Nasty c and long live MEGA...🔥🔥🔥🔥🕊️🕊️
Shebe is so humble man thanks L-Tido for having him on he is so clean nowadays he is walking money but I am happy he stayed true to himself he is still raw authentic and real and didn't let the money change him he is basically a millionaire now Shebe Maburna mfana ka time time ka nako SHXTA
You just earned yourself a subscribe cause of you interviewed shebe Im in❤ Man look at how this guy is taking good care of his day ones😭 Definition of loyalty 🤝
This what we call interview with a message we all as humans can learn and take something from it,I have never listened to this boys music but see young kids saying tweaks etc ,all I can say his wise beyond his age.God bless him,his life,family and music.❤
Excellent conversation with Ltido as usual... wish Shebe has more direction with his career, he speaks like its just vibes nje. He could be propelled to Superstar level
1:32 New sponsor @Ringas_SA (Data) 2:46 Introduction. 3:54 Early Birthday Gift. 7:30 His girlfriend. 8:32 Woman throwing themselves. 9:31 Criminal past and being at jail (15 Years old) 10:23 Broken families. 11:31 First arrest (Assault) 14:08 Life in Jail. 14:44 Worse experience in jail. 15:17 The truth about buying a house. 17:42 Truth about R3Million from Gigs. 20:08 Car accident. 21:36 beating fans. 31:36 JazzQ 32:19 Emtee 35:10 King Monanda 37:55 Beating fans II (Raising his kid) 46:11 Gun. 47:29 Bodyguards. 50:26 Being humble 50:57 advert (Hunters dry) 54:27 Tick tock account. 55:28 SAMRO 56:12 Dj Maphorisa (Experience) 1:04:30 Being independent. 1:05:04 Wealth and Spirituality. 1:08:47 Giving people money. 1:11:06 Future collaboration. 1:12:49 Cassper Nyovest. 1:13:14 Amapiano 1:15:02 State of HipHop. 1:15:16 Nasty C (Lemonade) 1:17:09 Back to Amapiano. (Content) 1:18.01 Community development. 1:20:39 Condoms in Jail. 1:21:11 Drugs in Jail. 1:21:11 Kids must respect their parents. 1:21:11 In closing. 1:21:11 God 1:21:11 Praying 1:21:11 L-Tido Merchandise. 1:21:11 Word of appreciation.
L-Tido! Thanks for this bro! You’re a legend! And to Shebe also! You’re chosen bruh!! You remind me of 2pac!! ❤ The best in SA right now!! Much love🙏🏾🙏🏾
I am not a fan I don't even know his music i stumbled on this interview, however you can't help but love this man, he is real and you can sense a good pure hearted man and he is a forgiving person also.
Nna this is my favourite episode🤞. I Love Shebeshxt every time I watch his interviews🤍💯. He's an amazing human being❤ A very Beautiful soul. Thank you LTido for inviting him. All Love LTido❤❤❤
Shebe is the reason I'm never giving up on being real and true to myself. I always thought I'm just by myself that's being real, but God has shown me who to look up to for example and that person is Shebe. He's a Heaven Sent, more blessings to the realest in game. L-Tido and Shebe❤ ooh and another thing, L-Tido I love your music man, growing up I liked your style in this music thing❤🔥Shxta🤟🔥🙌❤️🇿🇦🌐
I respect that he managed to switch up his life & that he has so much faith in his God and that ustreet wise istori sakhe uyasfurstana. But njenga manje,la akhona ..he needs someone smart in his life n make sure they protected every time. He's one of the realest Respek🙏🏿 I'm starting to think maybe u2Pac
Braaaaaaahhhhh😖 this interview moved me🥺... bona! Love.. this is a different kind of deep.. it's hard to put into words but... this moment was and is chosen
I love this one interview like he's so humble and relaxed i bet most of the things he told yo they're real🤞 and they're from his heart All thanks to you King Tido❤️🙏
One of the best episode I've ever watched.Such a humble soul!You remind me of Tupac's brilliance Shebe.He had so many test.But I like that you did break record not depending on the professional help.That's a good example of hard work, and rest will follow.
One thing about L-tdo he believes in people who have potential but are considered as write offs by the Society.I thoroughly enjoyed this interview and the one he did with Cyan👊
The subtitles are up now!!!!! Press CC on your screen and the subtitles will appear
Yo dawg, please add timestamps every time you upload
Part 2 please for shebeshxt
Clean
What an amazing Interview......L.Tido you are a great Person with a good heart....so is Shebe....this is my favorite Podcast in the world
12:31 😊@@namexwithheld
What I like about this interview is that it's not a recycle from MacG's one. You were able to identify gaps and ask fresh questions which shows that you did research. I enjoyed it.
true, hes way different from MacG while everyone is trying to be like Mac
co-agree, thank you Tido for the amazing episode.
True
Facts
Why is macg even involved 🤦
Guys the way this man loves his daughter i pray for his healing
Thank you for watching! We got a lot of dope content on the way . Please like and subscribe
L tido from the first episode I've been watching your podcast but eish I find it difficult to watch this one due to language, subtitles at least my brother
I wanted to download it so that I can watch it later. Can you let us download it
There is an army rising up...to break every chain. All the best, positivity all round
@@SipheleleTotoyi-kt8kbsubtitles will be up soon
@@Tshepoibra Why even bother replying come on now
The way Shebeshxt love his daughter 😭♥️Man God Bless Shebeshxt fr🎉😊
Ba Limpopo a re korekeng register...
More life to Shebe...✅
015
Am here
🫵🏻✅
Shebe on friends ✌🕯❤
✅
Not these podcasts unwillingly making me love Shebe as a person😭🤝🏿what an honest humble young man
I swear akukho muntu who can make me hate Shebeshxt 😭❤️
Angith uthwele ngawe😂😂
Me too
same here
Siyafana akakazalwa
❤️❤️
This young lad is a gift...SA has to protect him..Very thoughtful and real..Mare ya plumbing yone😅😅😂😂😂😂
Tido, after helping with samro and others please find out how he's managing his taxes, and help him out where you can. God bless.
Good one
Please Tido the tax thing worries me a lot God bless you guys
I respect you shebe❤ One love poi
Real talk
Lenna i Worried ka Tax ya Shebe😢😢
They say never want to meet a celebrity you look up to or loved growing up because most times they won’t live up to the person you thought they’d be BUT Tido you proved this saying ALL THE WAY WRONG!!!!! I couldn’t be happier for Shebe and the young boy he was, clear to see you’re everything he thought you’d be & more. And it’s crazy because I feel like Shebe did the same for you,he exceeded what you thought he was. This was beautiful to watch🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 beautiful doesn’t even begin to describe it to be quite frank🙌🏾👑
THIS IS LEGENDARY
Lalela I’ll learn whatever language Shebe speaks just for him😂🙌🏾such a rare beautiful soul. He’s so refreshing. He stands for loyalty,respect & love. I learnt so much from this interview about him than I could’ve learnt anywhere else.
Thank you so much for this podcast Tido
Your work doesn’t go unseen & you might not see it now but you’re truly living in your purpose. You’re operating on love,I see it. This whole podcast was created on Love & reminding people we’re all just human beings before everything else.
People tend to forget sometimes before you’re a celebrity you’re a brother,a son,a cousin ,an uncle, mzalwane and just a human being having a human experience in a passing world.
We love you Tido, Shebe you’re a breath of fresh air & have a heart of gold. We love you,never let this world change you no matter what you go through stay true to yourself.
Tido please help Shebe navigate & move around in the industry. Please protect him he needs your guidance.
There’s only one Shebe
There’s only one Tido
They’ll never be another🐐🐐🐐♥️
Honestly love you guys,I have so much respect for you both Kings👑
Thank you so much for the kind words! Much appreciated ❤️
What a beautiful message ❤
Beautiful message 🤍🙏
Beautiful message
Powerful message
Shebe preaches loyalty more than anything. From what i see he's the one holding his circle together, i hope his friends venture in other businesses to tie into what he's doing. Thats how communities are built.
TRUE
No one can make us to hate this guy❤he's real ey.. Remain humble brayaka shebeshxt
Only wish is to meet Shebe and just have a conversation with him, I respect this guy’s motto
How come this interview is 100% clean from macg one😂😂i thought it will just be a repeat 🙌big ups to you L tido
L-Tido is getting good at this interviewing skills❤
I also thought the same,it’s not boring shame
Yoh dawg eyy 🔥🔥💯❤️
There's no Grandeur gin 😂😂😂
Very clean👌🏼
this guy is fuckeng intelligent, he is a blessing to the masses n he is real, GOD blessed a real G. He might have his past but he shows he has changed n want to change peoples life. I love this man, he is an embodiment of leadership.
Macg was right about maphorisa. Big ups to shebe for being open
His a gatekeeper
He scammed Shebe, but I'm happy there's always someone to share what others gatekeep.
He is an opportunist that guy..
@@humbulanimurabi7585Makwa been saying it , now his talking about the 3 step ,he has more than enough money kodwa his still a mgodoyi
And people thought he was jelous
I love and understand Shebe, he will get there, I know he will, Tido, God bless you man, if genuine was a person, salute
Loved how he removed his cap when he was praying
Respect man❤❤❤❤
I pray GOD protect this young man, much love.
Maaaaan shebe deserves all the blessings coming his wayyy fr❤❤❤🥺 beautiful episode
That prayer reminds me back from school❤ God is good all the time amen🙏
This is a matured interview they don't provoke beefs, they allow3d shebe to speak what's on his heart
RIP to his daughter
He mentions her every time 🕊️🕊️
What I like about this episode is that L tido played the videos of him beating people in front of him to explain no one has never thought of that ❤❤ i also that verse of nasty C zaba zaba
The fact that he took off his hat when he prayed shows that he knows prayer.
10/10 great episode more blessings ya'll..please protect Shebe at all cost nobody does it like him he a real one for sure. SALUTE💯
This really shows how genuine Shebe is from growing up to the life he's living now.
Maphorisa yena he's a knock off straight thank you Shebe wena Maphorisa izinyembezi zabantu aziweliphatsi
Ere nka moo👋👋
Phori needs to be taught a tough lesson for exploiting upcoming artists
Shebe o smart i think thats y hes so blessed😭😭😭❤heart of gold.
I’m watching this interview in tears 😭 😭😭 shebe is not a bad guy bathong,, may God heal him
This guy is humble never thought he was a hip hop head ,danko great energy from both of u ❤
Shebeshxt is the best realistic artist ever❤️🔥🔥🔥
MacG never misses, Phori o nyaka Mpama 😢
Nyaka 1😂😂😂😂
O bolela nnete wara, ke no bona gona a rekile diNandos a mo opediša piano kare noo😐
Shebe’s music might not be my favourite but I really like who he is as a person, also L-tido knows how to dress fr
Same I salute shebe
I also don't love his music.... But he's a good person.... May he keeps on prospering❤️❤️
Honestly decided to watch this episode after his been trending about being in an accident have never really understood what his about. I have so much respect for how much he loves his daughter 😢not many man are willing to transition with the father title and make their kids the center of their lives. I feel so sad for him that he lost his princess may God give him strength
This guy knows how to hold tears 😢
Yeah neh
There is an army rising up...to break every chain. All the best, positivity all round.
Besides his looks as for us guys who grew up in street with grootmans who who can outsmart like him that's why we like him his charisma and sense of humor really represents mzansi street life cant forget the taal above all he's wise
I'm glad you didn't do repetitions of Shebeshxt previous interviews. Your questions were respectful and not coming from judgment. And i appreciate that you're willing to share the knowledge and things that can help him in the industry. ❤❤❤
It would be the best thing if SHEBE won a Grammy ❤️❤️❤️
This was so inspirational, the way shebe is as a person makes me self inspect and want to be a real, brave, considerate, thoughtful and caring person ❤
That praying part, I felt it. A man of God.
He is a good father he keeps on talking about how he loves his daughter
The authenticity in this podcast!! 😭🔥 enjoyed enjoyed enjoyed 🔥.
We definitely fetching 1 million views here 💯🤙🏻shxta
L Tido is a grootman you can tell that he got some Alex genes 🧬 in his blood. This video touches so many angles on the man Shebe no sensationalisation just a pure conversation 🎉
You get it 💯 thank you 🙏🏽
@@L-tidoNetwork Tido, after helping with samro and others please find out how he's managing his taxes, and help him out where you can. God bless.
Brilliant mind and beautiful soul. I’m a fan as of today.
Shoutout to L-Tido for letting him tell his story.
Tido's pod is the number 1 for hip hop and culture!
Wow never have I nener seen on a podcast live people praying what a moment.❤ to God be a Glory.
Shebe really loves his daughter. It's so hard watching this now :( may her soul rest in peace shem 😢😢😢
😭😭💔💔
This episode was worth every breath of watching it❤
This was so beautiful to watch
Because Shebe was here, I hit the subscribe button and the notification not 4gting to share with y'all Shebe speaks life.
He’s so honest 🥺🥺
Unlike your man😢
@@real_gifted😂😂
@@real_gifted true😭😭😭😭😭
I love LTido's communications skills ❤ made Shebe to be free and comfortable 👏
not me closing my eyes when shebe was praying.🙏😭🔥
I usually download podcasts to watch later so that I save data but with no option to download this episode because it’s ShebeMabena Kampan data ya fela definitely streaming this one 🔥🔥😂♥️♥️🤘🏾
And L-tido's are undownloadable😢
I felt that prayer at the end 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼... Shebeleza is the chosen one ❤️❤️❤️👌🏼
this is the kinda person I'd root for yah, I'm a fan now. What a cool guy, we need this!!!
those Nocta's meant a lot to him 💯
Shebe is a real one
Shebe is a king ,much respect to you too L- tido .GOD IS GREAT ALL THE TIME 🫂❤️
We need to Cancel Maphorisa as a country😢
Nobody can make me hate this boy, I see him and he has a strong and powerful soul. He is so beautiful man. Keep pushing Shebe.
Shebeshxt is really this guy does not fake life I love you bro
I have met Shebe once in passing, even shook his hand. But I would much love to sit down with him and talk to him and gain some more wisdom. I am a big fan. ❤
love the new intro with cass and AKA at the end...RIP...SUPER MEGA❤🕊
I enjoyed this interview so much!!!! Shebe is the realest man, 🙌 L-Tido was clever enough to not use the same angle as Mac. He unwrapped another layer of Shebe that we ddnt know was there...much love . The closing prayer from him was everything 🙏 ❤️
1:15:45 just letting you know I actually went to listen to the song just for the zabazabazaizai then quickly came back to finish the episode....😂😂😂shout out to Nasty c and long live MEGA...🔥🔥🔥🔥🕊️🕊️
😭🤣🤣🤣🔥🔥💯 I did the same thing
Tfcc
Azibi zayi Azibi zayi zayi 😅❤🎉
Shebe is so humble man thanks L-Tido for having him on he is so clean nowadays he is walking money but I am happy he stayed true to himself he is still raw authentic and real and didn't let the money change him he is basically a millionaire now Shebe Maburna mfana ka time time ka nako SHXTA
he needs to tame his temper. he's so short tempered.
You just earned yourself a subscribe cause of you interviewed shebe Im in❤
Man look at how this guy is taking good care of his day ones😭 Definition of loyalty 🤝
You can tell that Shebe used to listen to bo L-tido, Maggz, Sean pages because of the way he uses internal rhymes and multisyllables in his songs
Shebe rhymes better than most of these rappers.
@@1Africa2day Shebe is technical with his pen.
This what we call interview with a message we all as humans can learn and take something from it,I have never listened to this boys music but see young kids saying tweaks etc ,all I can say his wise beyond his age.God bless him,his life,family and music.❤
ShebeShxt a Real Life Hero, I can barely hear everything because of the language barrier but this guy is Genuine. ❤
I honestly like how you were interviewing him allowing him to speak out. You have a nca heart L-tido 🔥
Excellent conversation with Ltido as usual... wish Shebe has more direction with his career, he speaks like its just vibes nje. He could be propelled to Superstar level
Every time Shebe mentions ey 1, L'Tido laughs so hard, it got to me😅😂
Best interview ever, respect you L-tido and Shebe❤
how can you not love Shebe?🤔
this man is truly inspirational, he earned his respect for sure.
1:32 New sponsor @Ringas_SA (Data) 2:46 Introduction.
3:54 Early Birthday Gift.
7:30 His girlfriend.
8:32 Woman throwing themselves.
9:31 Criminal past and being at jail
(15 Years old)
10:23 Broken families.
11:31 First arrest (Assault)
14:08 Life in Jail.
14:44 Worse experience in jail.
15:17 The truth about buying a house.
17:42 Truth about R3Million from Gigs.
20:08 Car accident.
21:36 beating fans.
31:36 JazzQ
32:19 Emtee
35:10 King Monanda
37:55 Beating fans II
(Raising his kid)
46:11 Gun.
47:29 Bodyguards.
50:26 Being humble
50:57 advert (Hunters dry)
54:27 Tick tock account.
55:28 SAMRO
56:12 Dj Maphorisa (Experience)
1:04:30 Being independent.
1:05:04 Wealth and Spirituality.
1:08:47 Giving people money.
1:11:06 Future collaboration.
1:12:49 Cassper Nyovest.
1:13:14 Amapiano
1:15:02 State of HipHop.
1:15:16 Nasty C (Lemonade)
1:17:09 Back to Amapiano. (Content)
1:18.01 Community development.
1:20:39 Condoms in Jail.
1:21:11 Drugs in Jail.
1:21:11 Kids must respect their parents.
1:21:11 In closing.
1:21:11 God
1:21:11 Praying
1:21:11 L-Tido Merchandise.
1:21:11 Word of appreciation.
Shebeshit is matured 🙌I love the fact that he is unapologetic when it comes to his safety
Tido make sure you help this bro out🙏 before eba late🤝🏿
L-Tido! Thanks for this bro! You’re a legend! And to Shebe also! You’re chosen bruh!! You remind me of 2pac!! ❤ The best in SA right now!! Much love🙏🏾🙏🏾
Subtitles will be up soon , we working on it
Why can’t we download tido
We love you Tido.. Since long back.. U are a great guy man.. Watching from Zimbabwe🇿🇼
Thank you L-Tido for giving Shebe a sound advice about securing the future of his son,from today Shebe has a fan in me
That's a beautiful Bday present for Shebeleza. He'll forever be grateful for this. 🤞
I literally watch this atleast twice each day 😂 I swear I’m contributing seriously to these numbers 🤞🏾 Forever Shebe 🔥🔥
I am not a fan I don't even know his music i stumbled on this interview, however you can't help but love this man, he is real and you can sense a good pure hearted man and he is a forgiving person also.
I see what Shebe did here regarding gigs, houses and money 👌🏾😄 very smart man 🔥🔥
What?
SARS bafana
@@promisemanganyi3574faxx...
Nigga just Said he's performing for free at some places so taxes stays away from counting the income smart move😂
That's How We Avoid SARS 😅
Nna this is my favourite episode🤞. I Love Shebeshxt every time I watch his interviews🤍💯. He's an amazing human being❤ A very Beautiful soul. Thank you LTido for inviting him. All Love LTido❤❤❤
Shebe won my heart today
With every podcast that features Shebe, I love him and respect him more!
Shebe is the reason I'm never giving up on being real and true to myself. I always thought I'm just by myself that's being real, but God has shown me who to look up to for example and that person is Shebe. He's a Heaven Sent, more blessings to the realest in game. L-Tido and Shebe❤ ooh and another thing, L-Tido I love your music man, growing up I liked your style in this music thing❤🔥Shxta🤟🔥🙌❤️🇿🇦🌐
Shebeshxt touches 100k views in 1 day like it's nothing 🤣🤣🔥🔥
What a great episode thank you L tido❤️
I respect that he managed to switch up his life & that he has so much faith in his God and that ustreet wise istori sakhe uyasfurstana. But njenga manje,la akhona ..he needs someone smart in his life n make sure they protected every time.
He's one of the realest Respek🙏🏿
I'm starting to think maybe u2Pac
Braaaaaaahhhhh😖 this interview moved me🥺... bona! Love.. this is a different kind of deep.. it's hard to put into words but... this moment was and is chosen
I love this one interview like he's so humble and relaxed i bet most of the things he told yo they're real🤞 and they're from his heart All thanks to you King Tido❤️🙏
Shout out to L- Tido man, what a dope episode. You can tell he is a real G from the hood. And lastly nothing but love and respect for Shebe👊🏾
I really never thought L_Tido was a humble dude, thanks for the prayer.
One of the best episode I've ever watched.Such a humble soul!You remind me of Tupac's brilliance Shebe.He had so many test.But I like that you did break record not depending on the professional help.That's a good example of hard work, and rest will follow.
You can actually see hore L Tido is touched ❤
RESPECT
He a nigga he understands the street life #Respect
Loved how he addressed Maphorisa
One thing about L-tdo he believes in people who have potential but are considered as write offs by the Society.I thoroughly enjoyed this interview and the one he did with Cyan👊