The Xavier wrecked in 1705. The 1693 wreck (on the Oregon coast) is now considered to be the Santa Cristo de Burgos. I think the tale of the treasure ship castaway and the "Beewax" wreck are often convoluted and were not originally the same account.
Also, other than the Shipwreck site is not to be disturbed it is extremely dangerous and is not safe for the average man to go. Myself and several archaeologist have already removed anything that can be removed. And if you would like to see it, it is at the Columbia river Maritime Museum.
Suppose the Spaniards had found a cave that connected with the ocean from above? Descended into it and then filled up the surface entrance, leaving access from the flooded shoreside cave?
One thing people fail to take into consideration is the water levels have risen since then. And gold sinks in soil fairly quick. Combined it could be dozens of feet below the surface. And a landslide is not out of the question either. Thats one treasure that you'd have to really work to recover.
@True-Tales-of-Buried-Treasure water levels have not risen in 150 years. thry have old ports,beaches,marinas and houses o the beach,and GUESS WHAT?water levels are the SAME for 200 years.
During my years of research on the wreck, one of the things I learned was the sea level did rise along the existing coast after the Shipwreck happened but it was from the mega thrust earthquake in the subsidence of the land.
@@True-Tales-of-Buried-Treasure luck was not a factor. 30 +years of research and collaborating with archaeologist friends was what led to my discovery.
Neahkahnie is not a native word, it's the interpretation of the spanish words "mira carne" wich means look meat, Spaniards were screaming from the beach looking at elk on the mountain. 100+ years later Astor was guided by indians to the treasure wich was laying on open ground after the 1795 earthquake and that's how the Astor "old money" came to be.
Several parts of the story are either made up or you don’t have your facts I know I’m one of the most knowledgeable person about the wreck. That is why I discovered it.
I appreciate people making historic videos like this. I’m not trying to bring this video down. There has been so much data printed on this history here and none of it has been redacted when it has been proven wrong so most searches done on the Beeswax Shipwreck and the Neahkahnie treasure do not have all the facts but lots of conjecture and misleading information in the story I’ve spent over 30 years, studying it and collecting data, and probably have more than anyone other than an archaeologist friend of mine that I’ve been working sharing with. It is extremely hard to make a documentary about the actual history that went on here. If you would like to do a follow up to this, feel free to contact me.
@@CraigAndes1 Agreed. Not the Xavier (1693) but the Cristo de Burgos (1705) is now considered to be the most likely candidate. I think this video is parroting what was believed years ago. This video sounds like it's lifted almost directly from "Lost Mines and Treasures of the Pacific Northwest" (1957). As far as the treasure, I believe the two stories are not related. There's the undeniable Galleon wreck and then there's the slightly more dubious treasure ship/pirate account. I believe both accounts are true but the events may have been separated by 100 years as I understand it. The Oregon Historical Society has put out some great information about the Beeswax wreck. My personal theory is that Thomas McKay found the treasure on Neahkanie. I like to imagine that buried under the dirt floor cellar of a non descript, century old, farm house in French Prairie is a chest of Doubloons!
@ you have your dates on the ships turned around. I have evidence in fact several layers of it to show the Neahkahnie treasure and the cargo of the galleon are one and the same. There are more than two lost ancient ships in the area. I believe it is likely that the The San Francisco Xavier 1705 ended up, trapped here, trying to salvage the Burgos that was from 1692 as well as the 1679 Asian wreck that is spoke about and several diaries of the . Some historic accounts that are published, but not easily accessed and other information that I have obtained Will back up any claim I’ve made including the mass Graves, the Mercury vault and the recovery of the Mercury by a special division of the military in 1907. Of which I have the records to. as well as on the house of the guy that was very involved with the recovery of the cargo between 1907 and 1963. I believe that you are right however on the fact that McKay. got his hands on at least part of the cargo by trading with the natives, but he did not find the vault the army did and then what a guy named Frank did later as well after being involved with the recovery in the army. This I do know because I own Frank’s old house.
@@CraigAndes1 Oops, I've got the dates backward. Thank you for correcting that. Much of what I consider "canon" on the wreck comes from Don Marshall's excellent book "Oregon Shipwrecks" (1984) and the Oregon Historical Quarterly special issue, "Oregon's Manilla Galleon" (volume 119, No. 2 Summer 2018). Those two documents disagree about the identity of the ship but the later reference acknowledges the historical theory about the Xavier. I've heard misty rumors which claim the Xavier burned off the islands of the Marianas. I've been interested in this history for many years but have never heard of the Mercury Vault or a 1907 military expedition! Was the mass grave the result of the natives dispatching most of the crew? What is your source for claiming the Xavier attempted to rescue the Burgos? I would love to read some of the references you've sighted. Was the military effort a special detachment from Fort Stevens?
@@CraigAndes1hello, do you have any data on Spanish shipwrecks farther South along the Southern Oregon Coast..I've recently heard a curious rumor in my County about something related by an old drunken local.
The Xavier wrecked in 1705. The 1693 wreck (on the Oregon coast) is now considered to be the Santa Cristo de Burgos. I think the tale of the treasure ship castaway and the "Beewax" wreck are often convoluted and were not originally the same account.
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Oh man what a great story makes me want to go searching for that cave ..
The mystery is so tempting
Happy hunting!
I discovered the cave with the Shipwreck. It is an official Shipwreck site now. Yeah I know it’s crazy. It’s actually in a cave kinda like in goonies.
Also, other than the Shipwreck site is not to be disturbed it is extremely dangerous and is not safe for the average man to go. Myself and several archaeologist have already removed anything that can be removed. And if you would like to see it, it is at the Columbia river Maritime Museum.
Suppose the Spaniards had found a cave that connected with the ocean from above? Descended into it and then filled up the surface entrance, leaving access from the flooded shoreside cave?
Interesting thought!
If you ask me, I’ll tell you exactly what happened to the treasure and the Shipwreck.
One thing people fail to take into consideration is the water levels have risen since then. And gold sinks in soil fairly quick. Combined it could be dozens of feet below the surface. And a landslide is not out of the question either. Thats one treasure that you'd have to really work to recover.
water levels have not risen in 400 years.
Yeah great point! Need a lot of luck to find it.
@True-Tales-of-Buried-Treasure water levels have not risen in 150 years. thry have old ports,beaches,marinas and houses o the beach,and GUESS WHAT?water levels are the SAME for 200 years.
During my years of research on the wreck, one of the things I learned was the sea level did rise along the existing coast after the Shipwreck happened but it was from the mega thrust earthquake in the subsidence of the land.
@@True-Tales-of-Buried-Treasure luck was not a factor. 30 +years of research and collaborating with archaeologist friends was what led to my discovery.
One-Eyed Willy sailed his treasure elsewhere
Where are the rocks now?
A lot of them are lost in several are in the Tillamook museum, not being displayed.
Neahkahnie is not a native word, it's the interpretation of the spanish words "mira carne" wich means look meat, Spaniards were screaming from the beach looking at elk on the mountain. 100+ years later Astor was guided by indians to the treasure wich was laying on open ground after the 1795 earthquake and that's how the Astor "old money" came to be.
Several parts of the story are either made up or you don’t have your facts I know I’m one of the most knowledgeable person about the wreck. That is why I discovered it.
I appreciate people making historic videos like this. I’m not trying to bring this video down. There has been so much data printed on this history here and none of it has been redacted when it has been proven wrong so most searches done on the Beeswax Shipwreck and the Neahkahnie treasure do not have all the facts but lots of conjecture and misleading information in the story I’ve spent over 30 years, studying it and collecting data, and probably have more than anyone other than an archaeologist friend of mine that I’ve been working sharing with. It is extremely hard to make a documentary about the actual history that went on here. If you would like to do a follow up to this, feel free to contact me.
@@CraigAndes1 Agreed. Not the Xavier (1693) but the Cristo de Burgos (1705) is now considered to be the most likely candidate. I think this video is parroting what was believed years ago. This video sounds like it's lifted almost directly from "Lost Mines and Treasures of the Pacific Northwest" (1957). As far as the treasure, I believe the two stories are not related. There's the undeniable Galleon wreck and then there's the slightly more dubious treasure ship/pirate account. I believe both accounts are true but the events may have been separated by 100 years as I understand it. The Oregon Historical Society has put out some great information about the Beeswax wreck. My personal theory is that Thomas McKay found the treasure on Neahkanie. I like to imagine that buried under the dirt floor cellar of a non descript, century old, farm house in French Prairie is a chest of Doubloons!
@ you have your dates on the ships turned around. I have evidence in fact several layers of it to show the Neahkahnie treasure and the cargo of the galleon are one and the same. There are more than two lost ancient ships in the area. I believe it is likely that the The San Francisco Xavier 1705 ended up, trapped here, trying to salvage the Burgos that was from 1692 as well as the 1679 Asian wreck that is spoke about and several diaries of the . Some historic accounts that are published, but not easily accessed and other information that I have obtained Will back up any claim I’ve made including the mass Graves, the Mercury vault and the recovery of the Mercury by a special division of the military in 1907. Of which I have the records to. as well as on the house of the guy that was very involved with the recovery of the cargo between 1907 and 1963. I believe that you are right however on the fact that McKay. got his hands on at least part of the cargo by trading with the natives, but he did not find the vault the army did and then what a guy named Frank did later as well after being involved with the recovery in the army. This I do know because I own Frank’s old house.
@@CraigAndes1 Oops, I've got the dates backward. Thank you for correcting that. Much of what I consider "canon" on the wreck comes from Don Marshall's excellent book "Oregon Shipwrecks" (1984) and the Oregon Historical Quarterly special issue, "Oregon's Manilla Galleon" (volume 119, No. 2 Summer 2018). Those two documents disagree about the identity of the ship but the later reference acknowledges the historical theory about the Xavier. I've heard misty rumors which claim the Xavier burned off the islands of the Marianas. I've been interested in this history for many years but have never heard of the Mercury Vault or a 1907 military expedition! Was the mass grave the result of the natives dispatching most of the crew? What is your source for claiming the Xavier attempted to rescue the Burgos? I would love to read some of the references you've sighted. Was the military effort a special detachment from Fort Stevens?
@@CraigAndes1hello, do you have any data on Spanish shipwrecks farther South along the Southern Oregon Coast..I've recently heard a curious rumor in my County about something related by an old drunken local.
You're not pronouncing CLAPSOP correctly if u are going to do these videos please learn how to pronounce the names correctly Pleaseee. Thank you.