Don't forget that the examples shown here are in silver and for the elite. The common folk had similar but simplier of iron. Have some in my collection and they were way more common.
@@SiqtheChiq I rechecked. The only thing you're missing is an accent over the first "i". When the "i" is correctly accented, Google Translate does not attempt a translation. I just thought it was funny since Google Translate can give strange results sometimes.
Although not as common, the English also wore pendants of Thuner’s hammer at their waist. I wonder if that was influenced by the Norse or another response to the Christians.
Before Christians _forced_ their beliefs onto Heathens, Christ worship was tolerated, with Jesus being invoked in Heathen rituals and the Heathen gods invoked in Christian rituals. A combination crucifix and Mjölnir pendant was found a while back too. EDIT: Heathen gods were acknowledged in Christianity well into the late 1800s in Iceland.
@@Jayman2800 That Christ coming into the heathen belief was a thing is proven. That heathen beliefs influenced Christian ones is proven. But that heathen GODS were brought into Christian rituals? Where's the evidence of that? That goes against everything in Christianity. There was syncretism. But insofar the gods go, I have a hard time believing Christians allowed the worship of heathen gods. In Norse pagan beliefs they could worship Jesus as just another god, which is where you get the combination pendant from. But the other way around? Nope. What you're talking about is pagans adopting Christian beliefs and rituals. The early stages before people were fully Christian. It wasn't Christians adopting pagan gods or invoking pagan gods in Christian rituals.
@@ferret7508Maybe Christians should read the teachings if Christ and practice that tolerance he talked about a lot. Instead of forcing believes on anyone they should love their neighbor regardless of their sins. But you know, the trinity is polytheism anyway, a thing Christians struggle to accept.
I would say men wearing Mjolnir is probably a reaction to Christianity, but we have Stone Age finds of women and children with Mjolnirs. I assume Thor's role as a god of the hearth was more prevalent in that time and as the Viking Age came about his warrior aspects became more prominent.
Stone Age? You mean before the Germanic peoples even existed? Even the Club of Hercules pendants, which were the forefathers of the Thor's Hammers, date to around the 2nd to 7th centuries. So if you're talking about the "Donar's Club" variation of the Club of Hercules, which spread during the migration period, that would be Iron Age, not Stone Age. Those have mostly been found in female graves, yes. But that doesn't mean men didn't wear them. Or that the meaning was only or mostly pertaining to the hearth. We shouldn't be so quick in judging that. The club pendant came from the Romans. Roman soldiers wore their Club of Hercules as a sign of strength on the battlefield. And there have been finds of women wearing them as earrings. I think it's quite the leap to assume that the warrior meaning, and meaning of strength, just disappeared when the Germanic peoples adopted the pendant. It's safe to say that the "hearth" and fertility meaning certainly became very prevalent. But how small was the "warrior" meaning? We can't really say. There's a big possibility of survival bias. Donar's Club was mostly made out of bone, antler and wood. But the Club pendant spread throughout Europe, even into Ukraine. And who spread them? Not only women, of course. But men. Germanic men served in the Roman military. You can't rule out that Germanic men wore Donar's Club pendants (or Hercules' Club pendants which they viewed as Donar's Club) as soldiers. Either way. Men had worn the pendant before the viking age. And besides, the Mjölnir pendant and the Donar's Club pendant are two different ones. The Donar one may be a grandfather, and they may be of the same God. But they are two different pendants, eras, people and contexts. Not completely unique. But different enough. The Donar's Club pendant died out when the Germanic people of Britain and the continent were Christianized. And the Mjölnir pendant came about on its own, among its own people, in its own context, albeit with roots in the Donar and Roman pendants. But it's not like with the Hercules and Donar ones, where one directly becomes the other. Talking about them as if they're the exact same doesn't make much sense.
@@PohjanKarhu Thor is just one of many derivations of the yamnaya thunder god, which dates back to the late Stone Age, and there have been stone pendants found in the shape of the stone hammers the yamnaya used, which many depictions of Thor’s hammer still resemble
@kokofan50 Can you link to any stuff from a historian or archeologist published paper/book on this? I'm a historian, and I've not seen this, though my area education is directed more in the Middle Ages and less stone age. I'd love to read what is out there. Thanks.
Informative. I now wonder if there is any correlation to the style and geographic regions, or the style and societal rank. Is much information known on the subject? Please pardon my ignorance, I just trust your information more than Google. lol Best wishes
It never occurred to me that crucifixes were worn for protection. I thought it was solely identification. Ive definitely been in the US too long with its Christo- Capitalism.
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I thought apotropaic pendants (and other jewelry) were pretty widespread and ancient, predating christianity by thousands of years. Germanic contact with pre-christian Rome would have brought them into contact with many such pendants, such as the phallic ones so common at the time.
This makes me wonder if Mjolnir and proto italic moljer “woman, companion” could be cognates. This would mean Mjolnir is a nickname meaning “Thor’s woman” or “Thors companion”.
there are cross pendants from the early Byzantine empire, which is older than most records of Germanic gods beyond passing mention in late Roman texts. it's certainly possible that they wore pendants earlier and the two coexisted, but we haven't found any and certainly the cross is at least as old as any Germanic icon, so it isn't likely the Christians copied in any case. most of the overlap between the two cultures started when the Norse/Danes and the Anglo-Saxons fought over Britain and the remnant Roman Christians there converted the pagan Anglo-Saxons, much later than the oldest cross pendant.
Egyptian protective amulets are the most likely inspiration for Christian cross pendants, though the pre-Christian Romans also had many religious phallic pendants.
there is also a very similar axe of perun amulet from around the same period in the slavic areas
The Slavs had a thunder god who evolved out of the same ancient proto-Indo-European thunder god Thor did
I'm working with a silversmith friend and doing a southwestern style in silver, turquoise and hematite
I love my Mjǫllnir pendant I got from Grimfrost. It is beautifully crafted and I'm so happy to have gotten it from them.
Don't forget that the examples shown here are in silver and for the elite. The common folk had similar but simplier of iron. Have some in my collection and they were way more common.
Yep. I wear one made of solid sterling silver. I made a necklace out of it (you can see it in my profile picture) and called it Brisingamen.
Google Translate says that "Brisingamen" is Icelandic for "Pancreas"
@@feakhelek1 I forget the actual Old Norse spelling. There's some í in there somewhere. Mr Crawford would know what I mean.
@@SiqtheChiq I rechecked. The only thing you're missing is an accent over the first "i". When the "i" is correctly accented, Google Translate does not attempt a translation.
I just thought it was funny since Google Translate can give strange results sometimes.
Although not as common, the English also wore pendants of Thuner’s hammer at their waist. I wonder if that was influenced by the Norse or another response to the Christians.
You look like a descendent of Arthur Morgan from rdr2
No
Him and Dewayne from dry creek wrangler should collab lmao
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My son wears both Thor’s Hammer and a crucifix, keeps his bases covered I guess.
Before Christians _forced_ their beliefs onto Heathens, Christ worship was tolerated, with Jesus being invoked in Heathen rituals and the Heathen gods invoked in Christian rituals. A combination crucifix and Mjölnir pendant was found a while back too.
EDIT: Heathen gods were acknowledged in Christianity well into the late 1800s in Iceland.
@@Jayman2800
That Christ coming into the heathen belief was a thing is proven. That heathen beliefs influenced Christian ones is proven.
But that heathen GODS were brought into Christian rituals? Where's the evidence of that? That goes against everything in Christianity.
There was syncretism. But insofar the gods go, I have a hard time believing Christians allowed the worship of heathen gods.
In Norse pagan beliefs they could worship Jesus as just another god, which is where you get the combination pendant from. But the other way around? Nope.
What you're talking about is pagans adopting Christian beliefs and rituals. The early stages before people were fully Christian. It wasn't Christians adopting pagan gods or invoking pagan gods in Christian rituals.
@@Jayman2800maybe pagans should start worshipping the one true God and we wouldn't have to force it on them
@@ferret7508Maybe Christians should read the teachings if Christ and practice that tolerance he talked about a lot. Instead of forcing believes on anyone they should love their neighbor regardless of their sins.
But you know, the trinity is polytheism anyway, a thing Christians struggle to accept.
Elvis wore several religious symbols as well. So too did Benny from The Mummy movie.
I wear my Mjölnir proudly! I have so many of them now 😅
I thought this was going to be a rant about the type of person that wears a Thor's hammer pendant
Me too :)
Lol that's why I love him he doesn't cares about what others are doing and only focuses on his area of expertise wish more people were like this
@@EarlofChucklechester He has spoken about his disdain for certain "types" of Viking fanatics several times.
I carved two Mjǫllnir pendants out of birch. One for my dad on his birthday and one for me.
I would say men wearing Mjolnir is probably a reaction to Christianity, but we have Stone Age finds of women and children with Mjolnirs. I assume Thor's role as a god of the hearth was more prevalent in that time and as the Viking Age came about his warrior aspects became more prominent.
Stone Age? Could you provide references please? I am very curious about this.
Stone Age? You mean before the Germanic peoples even existed?
Even the Club of Hercules pendants, which were the forefathers of the Thor's Hammers, date to around the 2nd to 7th centuries.
So if you're talking about the "Donar's Club" variation of the Club of Hercules, which spread during the migration period, that would be Iron Age, not Stone Age.
Those have mostly been found in female graves, yes.
But that doesn't mean men didn't wear them. Or that the meaning was only or mostly pertaining to the hearth.
We shouldn't be so quick in judging that.
The club pendant came from the Romans. Roman soldiers wore their Club of Hercules as a sign of strength on the battlefield. And there have been finds of women wearing them as earrings.
I think it's quite the leap to assume that the warrior meaning, and meaning of strength, just disappeared when the Germanic peoples adopted the pendant.
It's safe to say that the "hearth" and fertility meaning certainly became very prevalent.
But how small was the "warrior" meaning? We can't really say.
There's a big possibility of survival bias. Donar's Club was mostly made out of bone, antler and wood.
But the Club pendant spread throughout Europe, even into Ukraine. And who spread them? Not only women, of course. But men. Germanic men served in the Roman military. You can't rule out that Germanic men wore Donar's Club pendants (or Hercules' Club pendants which they viewed as Donar's Club) as soldiers.
Either way. Men had worn the pendant before the viking age.
And besides, the Mjölnir pendant and the Donar's Club pendant are two different ones. The Donar one may be a grandfather, and they may be of the same God. But they are two different pendants, eras, people and contexts. Not completely unique. But different enough.
The Donar's Club pendant died out when the Germanic people of Britain and the continent were Christianized.
And the Mjölnir pendant came about on its own, among its own people, in its own context, albeit with roots in the Donar and Roman pendants.
But it's not like with the Hercules and Donar ones, where one directly becomes the other.
Talking about them as if they're the exact same doesn't make much sense.
I think Thor was evoked as a mighty protector of humans.
@@PohjanKarhu Thor is just one of many derivations of the yamnaya thunder god, which dates back to the late Stone Age, and there have been stone pendants found in the shape of the stone hammers the yamnaya used, which many depictions of Thor’s hammer still resemble
@kokofan50 Can you link to any stuff from a historian or archeologist published paper/book on this? I'm a historian, and I've not seen this, though my area education is directed more in the Middle Ages and less stone age. I'd love to read what is out there. Thanks.
Informative. I now wonder if there is any correlation to the style and geographic regions, or the style and societal rank. Is much information known on the subject? Please pardon my ignorance, I just trust your information more than Google. lol
Best wishes
My favorite is the one from Ödeshög.
The conflict is apparent, but do not fear that those open to knowledge will be misled.
I never looked at it that way, makes perfect sense though
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How about thor being able to shrink his hammer so it can be worn as a necklace.
It never occurred to me that crucifixes were worn for protection. I thought it was solely identification. Ive definitely been in the US too long with its Christo- Capitalism.
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I thought apotropaic pendants (and other jewelry) were pretty widespread and ancient, predating christianity by thousands of years. Germanic contact with pre-christian Rome would have brought them into contact with many such pendants, such as the phallic ones so common at the time.
Indo-European cultures were wearing hammer pendants thousands of years before the Romans
Snow? already?
This makes me wonder if Mjolnir and proto italic moljer “woman, companion” could be cognates. This would mean Mjolnir is a nickname meaning “Thor’s woman” or “Thors companion”.
Do we know for sure that christians didn't copy the norse. I mean did archeologists find crosses in the east that predate mjolnir pendants?
there are cross pendants from the early Byzantine empire, which is older than most records of Germanic gods beyond passing mention in late Roman texts. it's certainly possible that they wore pendants earlier and the two coexisted, but we haven't found any and certainly the cross is at least as old as any Germanic icon, so it isn't likely the Christians copied in any case. most of the overlap between the two cultures started when the Norse/Danes and the Anglo-Saxons fought over Britain and the remnant Roman Christians there converted the pagan Anglo-Saxons, much later than the oldest cross pendant.
Yes we did. Cross pendants predate even the concept of winged angels.
Egyptian protective amulets are the most likely inspiration for Christian cross pendants, though the pre-Christian Romans also had many religious phallic pendants.