I feel like most of ab is just reaction time though? Like if i see a sudden changes doing the knife 4 animation, i block. Simple. If i see him raise the gun into the air, i run away. Simple. If i see blasters, i hold A or D. Simple.
Holy shit the man that complaint about this skin for 20 minutes in gametalk (when its still exist) actually show up on my home page -once a gametalk debater
my combo with ss chara is:[FULL] LMB jumps + dash uses k5 [knifes 5] use m3 [fast swap] uses k6 [FULL] LMB jumps + dash and uses k3 [bonus] and tp and k1
It’s not a “delayed” block it’s just the choice of animation and when the block feature kicks in and executes the script. You could say x!asgore block is delayed. Same with underfell Or normal sans Or wiki sans Or vhs sans Or reaper cross And way _way_ much more
@@livingtoaster it feels more delayed and more akward to play around the block simple and also idk if this is correct there was a update were move timers were based on animation timers or something so you might be correct on this one not sure tho pretty sure blocks are based on what ever you ping is and how the game feels like
@@eis90 that "advantage" is basically nothing... You can still use K2 perfectly fine with other skins. And bl1 after lmb is untrue on non dodge, and against dodge any skin can do it, and VHS can also do the bl1 trick. If you're gonna tell me (a 1000 kill SSC) that I'm wrong about something like that then U neeeda wake up bro
@@LymeStone the point is skins in ab are suppose to NOT give a advantage and just make things look diffrent the diffrences are: attacks are harder to see k2 is completly diffrent the lmb/block is harder to react to and 2 moves share almost the same animation remember ab isnt all about combos its about winning neutral and getting a combo started so in competive play this does give a slight advantage and NOT using the skin puts you at a slight disadvantage (in a mirror match) also skins have started to become more complete animation changes and you can see this alot from the sudden changes skin and theres the long explaination that probably wasent needed on why this skin made me quit ab lol i just dont enjoy these skins thats my opinion
the character normally is fine you have great neutral tools in knives 2 blaster 1 mem1 mem2 mem 4 knives 5 and knives 4 the only problem is you lack of stam and sometimes mana problems but thats rare and with some skill that can be fixed if you really want to i could make a advanced ssc guide to show some epic tips and tricks to win neutral the skin just makes ssc better
man i just really do a advanced ssc guide for how many people dont know this so you can unlock knives 4 to do some mixups and since you cant see knives 4 as easy you will need to hold block or just have 20/20 vision and then you have to react to mem2 which also has the problem of being hard to tell apart from knives 5(just give mem moves a outline as soon as you click the move)
Jokes on you i have a fast reaction time only problem is that i am on phone so sometimes i miss the block button or the dash button, but if i was on computer... oh, i would make ya change idea... or at least i think for example my strategy for knife 4 is this: you see that they shoot but you don't see the bullet so you understand it's knifes 4, you go on block and you block the attack, then you mov eout the way because there is a second of debounce applied on the opponent when he uses that attack
@@eis90 no, I mean the one that you said the bullets with Sudden are invisible. My strat is more of a: block, dash away one time and as that boi teleports on you to LMB yo ass you dash back on him and LMB his ass before he does the second LMB
yeah the skin does work fine just the animations and stuff are just terrile to fight agianst since you pretty much have to relearn a whole new character (also in my opinion sudden changes is harder to react to then default)
Bro just haten because he get killed by ssc user's and what's the big deal just because the skin moves are harder to see and avoid it matters about skill
thats just based on skill, the advantages sudden changes gives are purely visual, it will take time to adjust but soon people can tell between mem2 and knife5, except maybe mem4 and blaster 2, that may need a slight visual indicator on which is which, i can smell mix ups from here
yeah you can still do it and ive done it a few times already as the other guy already said its based on visual changes(we shouldnt have to learn new animations every time a new skin comes out) and in my opinion sc is harder to tell apart then default also as soon as the sc knows how to unlock correctly you are forced to almost just guess on what to do
@@razorwolf2758 i mean, theres legit a video on this channel about him getting banned for winning against a admin of AB also devs commented there sooo, prob yes they Will notice this
This is the bigger advantage due to OW3 being used at the end of the combo to regain mana, and Player OW3 cutscene has a longer time to possibly regain full mana from none at all
No and yes. You can act out of it at the normal time it would usually end, but the cutscene does go on for longer. I usually use this to surprise attack the enemy either as Player or when fighting against player. Especially since they don't usually expect it. It's one of my favorite parts about the skin honestly.
@@eis90 practically he says that hitbox users dont really ha e a problem with it cuz they can see the red outline clearly Tho still blaster 2 and mem 4 exist
this has to be the goofiest thing ive ever seen 💀 the moves all have massive sound cues and knives 4 is mad easy to see while you're locked on (not topdown since the bullets are grey) plus mem 1 has a super obvious indicator (the huge target???)
mem 1 is a small thing knives 4 are still harder to see/track all the mem moves dont have a model spawn making it harder to react remember default spawns a extra avatar right next to you you can react to it pretty easy also ARE WE GONNA IGNORE THE FACT THAT MEM 4 AND BLASTER 2 SHARE MODELS AND SPAWN THE SAME WAY? blaster 2 doesnet force anything out and most people either block or just ignore it while mem4 punishes a block by draining mana or starting a combo if ignored also lmb and block are pretty hard to tell apart sometimes also also while you are just testing the skin it might be pretty easy to see things but when you are fighting the skin it gets waay harder to react and keep track of things edit since i forgor to include thisthe massive sound cues are all gun shots while default has a pretty unique sound cue when you do mem2
@@eis90 ive fought a few sc users and memory 4 id perfectly fine to see the only even slightly valid point is mem 4 and blaster 2 being similar 0 because the sound cues for each move that looks similar other than that one are different
@@smadge8274 ok yeah but are you gonna argue that mem 3 is just harder to see vs a sc skin same with mem 4 and mem 2 when the default skin spawns a whole avatar right next to you even tho its a small advantage still makes default worse then sc also if you want/play on europe server we can have a nice 1v1 where i use both the sc skin and the default one to show how much diffrent it is to fight agianst sc
@@eis90 yeah its slightly harder to see but the same can be said for things like xgaster and the difference is so minimal it makes barely any difference
everyone: *crying about sschara skin not being trackable* Sans: being broken and unfair to win against Asgore: being broken and unfair to win against, long broken combos, really fast cooldowns XFrisk: auto aim, being broken and unfair to win against Xchara: being broken and unfair to win against, really fast cooldowns, long broken combos Gaster: really long stun attacks with broken range, also auto aim with big hands GTFrisk: being broken and unfair to win against, way to much damage, can counter you with any attack bc its pretty much impossible to dodge or read with the giant hitboxes, plus 2nd phase is literally inf health really far teleport and again broken unfair attacks
@eis90 doesn't matter weather it's about the skin or the character it's perfectly fine and even if it's "unfair advantages" I think that's good enough to make up for no ult, also idk if you've ever fought a gt frisk or not but that's just not true at all
@@DuckChuffinDurries ssc is already a good character also a skin giving a advanatge isnt fun also also gtf is really not that good just react to dt 1 and dash use s to cheese it(you can hold block if dt 1 happens just dash lmb to counter it dt 1 is really slow nowadays)
@eis90 well why is it that when I fight with ssc I don't feel any different, in fact I end up getting beat up and dying when going against anyone in the game, it's not that good either, it's not this glamorous perfect character some attacks barely hit or land and 3rd phase isn't very helpful at all. now about gt frisk, dt 1 is not slow, if they just run up and run circles around you (or teleport) and use dt 1(or any other attack) its already game over, it's Incredibly fast with a really big hit box (dont forget lag is a thing), there are no I frames in the entire attack, even if there were if you teleport to counter it you will still get by the gigantic hitbox, and if you wait for the slash to be out of range to sucessfully counter then they will have already recovered by then, they arent stunned for even a second after using dt 1 so idk where the counter idea came from. Even if you somehow manage to counter or avoid dt 1 it's not like they have a plethora of other ridiculous attacks that deal insane damage and are all un blockable or barely escapable. Also forgot to mention ther are no s in dashes, unless your sans which just adds onto the pile of reasons why he is unfair and broken aswell.
@@DuckChuffinDurries just watch my ssc guide when it comes out should teach you how to play ssc also reacting to dt 1 is some mindgames but mostly reaction time also if you want i can always 1v1 you even tho i kinda did quit ab
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The person who grinded for 3 days this skin seeing the devs cancelling the game becuse of Nix:💀
frfrfrfr
What happened i keep hearing about this
@@Zidjiancheane drama
Oh alr commented on ur other video aswell i see
Rip ab
I feel like most of ab is just reaction time though? Like if i see a sudden changes doing the knife 4 animation, i block. Simple. If i see him raise the gun into the air, i run away. Simple. If i see blasters, i hold A or D. Simple.
Hey it's me :D
thanks for making a video about a character that looks suspiciously like my avatar.
too true frfrfr
devs were like... Hmm what if we make red effects on the red map?. PERFECT!
TOO TRUE THIS IS GOOD GAME DESIGN
The biggest problem for me is the block, I can never tell when they are blocking or attacking or just doing nothing.
Eh? It's pretty easy to tell even without my glasses
Atleast with the hit animations, it isn’t one big obvious slash then half a second later it deals damage.
0:27 yea i wonder why i cant see it cuz you zoomed out what are they supost to put a giant bullet
idk simple fix by just NOT MAKING SKINS THAT CHANGE ANIMATIONS OR MODELS take old utpr skins as a examble here (or just put out lines on the skin)
Holy shit the man that complaint about this skin for 20 minutes in gametalk (when its still exist) actually show up on my home page
-once a gametalk debater
i told you i would make a video about this
So all this time it wasn’t me selling it was their skin? I do admit it’s harder to pb sudden changes
my combo with ss chara is:[FULL] LMB jumps + dash uses k5 [knifes 5] use m3 [fast swap] uses k6 [FULL] LMB jumps + dash and uses k3 [bonus] and tp and k1
or just learn how to unlock
Now the Christmas map makes it pretty easier to see K4:]
Nerf sudden changes skin!!11
agreed
You should upload more often for real skull emoji
The rule is clear, if you hear the gun shots, BLOCK
the rule is clear, ab players dont know how ssc works
Bro u didnt understand the point?
THATS WHAT SSC MAINS WANTS U TO DO, BLOCK
THEN THEY CAN BAIT U BLOCK WITH UNBLOCKABLE MOVES
@@vocesdeexitotrainingup7038 dont worry im making a guide so people finally understand how ssc works
Fun fact knife 3 you will use your leg but they canceled it
This isn't a problem, the real problem is the delayed block
Edit: i also forgot to mention the delayed block on player
the entire skin is a problem lol
It’s not a “delayed” block it’s just the choice of animation and when the block feature kicks in and executes the script.
You could say x!asgore block is delayed.
Same with underfell
Or normal sans
Or wiki sans
Or vhs sans
Or reaper cross
And way _way_ much more
@@livingtoaster it feels more delayed and more akward to play around the block simple
and also idk if this is correct there was a update were move timers were based on animation timers or something so you might be correct on this one not sure tho pretty sure blocks are based on what ever you ping is and how the game feels like
I still dont understand if this is a good thing or a bad thing
its a bad thing since it rewards grinding for kills instead of getting good
your not supposed to see a bullet when a gun shoots...ITS A GUN!
hes making good arguments frfrfr
Worth grinding it for 2 days prior.
I'm not gonna sugar coat it, The only advantage it gives is bigger Blaster hitboxes (ever so slightly) and better K2 endlag, that is IT
still gives a advantage which isnt good for a skin that needs you to grind to get it
@@eis90 that "advantage" is basically nothing... You can still use K2 perfectly fine with other skins. And bl1 after lmb is untrue on non dodge, and against dodge any skin can do it, and VHS can also do the bl1 trick. If you're gonna tell me (a 1000 kill SSC) that I'm wrong about something like that then U neeeda wake up bro
@@LymeStone the point is skins in ab are suppose to NOT give a advantage and just make things look diffrent
the diffrences are:
attacks are harder to see
k2 is completly diffrent
the lmb/block is harder to react to
and 2 moves share almost the same animation
remember ab isnt all about combos its about winning neutral and getting a combo started
so in competive play this does give a slight advantage and NOT using the skin puts you at a slight disadvantage (in a mirror match)
also skins have started to become more complete animation changes and you can see this alot from the sudden changes skin
and theres the long explaination that probably wasent needed on why this skin made me quit ab lol
i just dont enjoy these skins thats my opinion
as a person who has most kills with story shift chara
I feel like this is the olny thing that keeps storyshift chara from being useless.
u probably are a mid ssc Main if u Say that ssc is useless,like, damn bro
the character normally is fine you have great neutral tools in knives 2 blaster 1 mem1 mem2 mem 4 knives 5 and knives 4 the only problem is you lack of stam and sometimes mana problems but thats rare and with some skill that can be fixed
if you really want to i could make a advanced ssc guide to show some epic tips and tricks to win neutral
the skin just makes ssc better
@@eis90 sure. It can be usefull
hii eis
I personally don't see the problem with the k4, you know it's going to home in on you, weather you can see it or not.
man i just really do a advanced ssc guide for how many people dont know this so you can unlock knives 4 to do some mixups and since you cant see knives 4 as easy you will need to hold block or just have 20/20 vision and then you have to react to mem2 which also has the problem of being hard to tell apart from knives 5(just give mem moves a outline as soon as you click the move)
@@eis90 I guess everyone has their own problems. I've never had any problems fighting it though.
@@elitesamurai3814 yeah i guess so
I dont really have a say because i always have hit boxes on
i have bad news for you hit boxes dont help
xd low effort video about me complaining
Jokes on you i have a fast reaction time only problem is that i am on phone so sometimes i miss the block button or the dash button, but if i was on computer... oh, i would make ya change idea... or at least i think for example my strategy for knife 4 is this: you see that they shoot but you don't see the bullet so you understand it's knifes 4, you go on block and you block the attack, then you mov eout the way because there is a second of debounce applied on the opponent when he uses that attack
dodging knives 4 unlock things isnt really reaction time tho
ALSO YOU ARE LEGIT BLOCKING AS YOU STRAT DO YOU THINK THAT WONT GET ABUSED
@@eis90 no, I mean the one that you said the bullets with Sudden are invisible. My strat is more of a: block, dash away one time and as that boi teleports on you to LMB yo ass you dash back on him and LMB his ass before he does the second LMB
@@HidorusMech i really have to make a guide on how to play ssc no one knows how i swear
Iys a bullet ofc its kinda visible
I would make sense🤷🏻
competitive advantage!!!!!!!!!!!!11
yes super high competitive advantage!!!?!?!?ß1!1!
How come i dont have any problems with this skin? It works perfectly fine for me.
yeah the skin does work fine just the animations and stuff are just terrile to fight agianst since you pretty much have to relearn a whole new character (also in my opinion sudden changes is harder to react to then default)
@@eis90terrible, re-learn
Edit= i do understand why u said relearn instead of re-learn just saying tho
@@zick_the_bacon.i knowh righjt he shouldh learn how to writhe wells
Bro just haten because he get killed by ssc user's and what's the big deal just because the skin moves are harder to see and avoid it matters about skill
you legit just admitted to the skin giving a advantage
also i legit mained ssc before quitting ab
@@eis90i found funny that he says that trying to make u look Bad, but then gaves u the reason lol
Bro i have made skin like ur in 2019 but with brown crown
not really, i killed a sudden changes with just normal ssc
thats just based on skill, the advantages sudden changes gives are purely visual, it will take time to adjust but soon people can tell between mem2 and knife5, except maybe mem4 and blaster 2, that may need a slight visual indicator on which is which, i can smell mix ups from here
yeah you can still do it and ive done it a few times already as the other guy already said its based on visual changes(we shouldnt have to learn new animations every time a new skin comes out) and in my opinion sc is harder to tell apart then default
also as soon as the sc knows how to unlock correctly you are forced to almost just guess on what to do
I beat sudden change user with XFrisk.
i bet 500 robux that the ssc was bad
Yea bro am tier to see a disgustings try hard play agresively and just spam beacause we cant see when they blocks or use m1 or knif 4 randomly
I think the creator did this bc the skin costs 200 kills 💀
ab being pay to win frfrfrfr
When I read your comment I thought it was "gay to win" 💀💀💀💀
@@maedorenan123 REAL!!??=!=!=!=!=O!0
@@eis90 yes 💀💀💀💀
When I first saw the title I thought it was a joke but after seeing the video I realized that the sudden changes skin is in fact op
How can a skin be op? All they change is animations and attack appearances
@@razorwolf2758 BRO, U CANT SEE KNIVES 4
IS LEGIT A COMBO STARTER
APART OF K6 AAND MEMORIES 1/2 IS ALMOST THE BEST TOOL FOR START A COMBO
@@Luiz9566 well quit shouting, it’s not like the devs will randomly see this
@@razorwolf2758 i mean, theres legit a video on this channel about him getting banned for winning against a admin of AB
also devs commented there sooo, prob yes they Will notice this
@@razorwolf2758 you sure about that
Player skin also has a longer overwrite 3 cutscene i think
This is the bigger advantage due to OW3 being used at the end of the combo to regain mana, and Player OW3 cutscene has a longer time to possibly regain full mana from none at all
@@cosmical_artist yep
No and yes. You can act out of it at the normal time it would usually end, but the cutscene does go on for longer. I usually use this to surprise attack the enemy either as Player or when fighting against player. Especially since they don't usually expect it. It's one of my favorite parts about the skin honestly.
Hitbox users:👌😂👍
what
@@eis90 practically he says that hitbox users dont really ha e a problem with it cuz they can see the red outline clearly
Tho still blaster 2 and mem 4 exist
@@thej2344 projectiles dont show hit boxes stuff like knives 4 and mem 2 both dont show (for some reason mem1 does dont ask me why)
@@eis90 oh ok
this has to be the goofiest thing ive ever seen 💀
the moves all have massive sound cues and knives 4 is mad easy to see while you're locked on (not topdown since the bullets are grey)
plus mem 1 has a super obvious indicator (the huge target???)
mem 1 is a small thing knives 4 are still harder to see/track all the mem moves dont have a model spawn making it harder to react remember default spawns a extra avatar right next to you you can react to it pretty easy also ARE WE GONNA IGNORE THE FACT THAT MEM 4 AND BLASTER 2 SHARE MODELS AND SPAWN THE SAME WAY? blaster 2 doesnet force anything out and most people either block or just ignore it while mem4 punishes a block by draining mana or starting a combo if ignored
also lmb and block are pretty hard to tell apart sometimes
also also while you are just testing the skin it might be pretty easy to see things but when you are fighting the skin it gets waay harder to react and keep track of things
edit since i forgor to include thisthe massive sound cues are all gun shots while default has a pretty unique sound cue when you do mem2
@@eis90 ive fought a few sc users and memory 4 id perfectly fine to see
the only even slightly valid point is mem 4 and blaster 2 being similar 0 because the sound cues for each move that looks similar other than that one are different
@@smadge8274 ok yeah but are you gonna argue that mem 3 is just harder to see vs a sc skin same with mem 4 and mem 2 when the default skin spawns a whole avatar right next to you even tho its a small advantage still makes default worse then sc
also if you want/play on europe server we can have a nice 1v1 where i use both the sc skin and the default one to show how much diffrent it is to fight agianst sc
@@eis90 yeah its slightly harder to see but the same can be said for things like xgaster and the difference is so minimal it makes barely any difference
plus ive fought sc skins and default already and i know its not that different lmao
everyone: *crying about sschara skin not being trackable*
Sans: being broken and unfair to win against
Asgore: being broken and unfair to win against, long broken combos, really fast cooldowns
XFrisk: auto aim, being broken and unfair to win against
Xchara: being broken and unfair to win against, really fast cooldowns, long broken combos
Gaster: really long stun attacks with broken range, also auto aim with big hands
GTFrisk: being broken and unfair to win against, way to much damage, can counter you with any attack bc its pretty much impossible to dodge or read with the giant hitboxes, plus 2nd phase is literally inf health really far teleport and again broken unfair attacks
think the problem with ssc is that the skin is the problem not the character it self(also gt frisk isnt that hard to kill)
@eis90 doesn't matter weather it's about the skin or the character it's perfectly fine and even if it's "unfair advantages" I think that's good enough to make up for no ult, also idk if you've ever fought a gt frisk or not but that's just not true at all
@@DuckChuffinDurries ssc is already a good character also a skin giving a advanatge isnt fun also also gtf is really not that good just react to dt 1 and dash use s to cheese it(you can hold block if dt 1 happens just dash lmb to counter it dt 1 is really slow nowadays)
@eis90 well why is it that when I fight with ssc I don't feel any different, in fact I end up getting beat up and dying when going against anyone in the game, it's not that good either, it's not this glamorous perfect character some attacks barely hit or land and 3rd phase isn't very helpful at all. now about gt frisk, dt 1 is not slow, if they just run up and run circles around you (or teleport) and use dt 1(or any other attack) its already game over, it's Incredibly fast with a really big hit box (dont forget lag is a thing), there are no I frames in the entire attack, even if there were if you teleport to counter it you will still get by the gigantic hitbox, and if you wait for the slash to be out of range to sucessfully counter then they will have already recovered by then, they arent stunned for even a second after using dt 1 so idk where the counter idea came from. Even if you somehow manage to counter or avoid dt 1 it's not like they have a plethora of other ridiculous attacks that deal insane damage and are all un blockable or barely escapable. Also forgot to mention ther are no s in dashes, unless your sans which just adds onto the pile of reasons why he is unfair and broken aswell.
@@DuckChuffinDurries just watch my ssc guide when it comes out should teach you how to play ssc also reacting to dt 1 is some mindgames but mostly reaction time
also if you want i can always 1v1 you even tho i kinda did quit ab
I honestly fellall ab is kinda unfair
everything in ab is unfair if you look hard enough