You have to imagine as well that Bill Belivhick is also negotiating with the league about whether or not they can guarantee to script him another Superbowl victory and which potential team he could join has the most powerful and compelling storyline for the league to want to make that happen. My guess is that Belivhick to the Jets is the best possible storyline with Rogers coming back from injury, Belichick returning to the Jets, playing the Patriots twice a year, matching Bradys post Patriots title, passing Don Shula all time wins and bringing the Jets their first title since 68. I mean that's a slam dunk.
He is 71 how long does he want to work? I always remember Dick Vermeil saying when he retired from the Eagles 6 in the morning to late nights during the season!
As long as your mind is still sharp and you are happy with your job, you can work as long as you like. Charlie Munger worked until he died and he was like 98 years old. Warren Buffett is still going strong at 96. Munger's mind was still sharper than most men in their thirties when he died. I just don't think BB is a good coach. His records without Brady speak for itself. And he has 4 years to rebuild and it is getting worst each year. So how many more yours do his apologists want him to have? Whether BB stays with the Pats or go to the Chargers, I will still prove my point that he is an average coach at best. After Brady was forced out, I debated with BB's proponents and Brady's haters that I am willing to give BB as many years as he wants and he would never sniff the Superbowl again. So I hope that he can coach for many many more years so I can watch and listen to his fans squirming trying to come up with excuses for him.
Douglas is a sure fire hit at this point so I think people need to temper the complaints. They also found Stevenson and he is building a solid foundation with the young interior OL despite complaints he hasn't found a tackle.
They are in incredibly good position for next year. The return the entire defense (minus Dugger) and still have 90M in cap space. 4 out of their 5 OL will be back and are above average to plus starters. Stevenson and Douglas can make plays, and Parker is a fine third option. With 90M in cap space and a top 5 pick, this is a SHOCKINGLY small amount of holes. Whether they draft MHJ or a QB, they will basically have 30-40M to spend on a QB1 or a WR1. They are in great shape, will have a top 3 defense, and should have an above average offseason courtesy of the spending spree. You give this team a decent QB and it's a playoff team. A good QB and it will make a lot of noise.
Was under the impression Patriots had some major injuries next year stick with Bill watch them make major turnaround miss these teams when they go into major slide
Mike's description of Robert craft on the ✈️ looking out had me on a DAY DREAM ADVENTURE!! I was outside that plane watching kraft make his way back in and sit down. Bill ante leaving. I wish he would. Alls he needs is a top 15 qb to make noise again.
I think Bill is still a great coach, he’s just missed on so many offensive players. If he had just a top 20 QB and 1 or 2 above average receivers I think they’d be a playoff team this year. Let him stay as coach but bring on a GM, he just needs help finding talent on offense.
Belichick never had IT to be a great coach. What Belichick needed was *high QUALITY plays from his QB with a CHEAP squad.* If Belichick the id10t had THE Brady of early 2000s in last 3 seasons, he would still look like a genius, and his brainwashed fans would still talk about how great he was. Without Brady, the Pats in early 2000s would be like the Pats in last 3 seasons, and Belichick would look like an id10t like he is now. What makes Belichick a dumbfook is that he still doesn't realize that his defense can't even make team a serious playoff contender and he needs so much from offense.
He did a decent job the last couple years either way. It is funny seeing our fans talk about how bad he is at drafting but in the next breath say that he ruined a 'sure pick' in Mac Jones. Ok so did he fail to coach Mac and develop him or did he fail at drafting as a GM? He's got effective young OL who have only suffered from inexperience. Mafi and Strange and Sow have been starting or rotating all year for experience. He found Demario Douglas in the 6th round, he found Stevenson a couple seasons ago... I think even the offensive drafting issues are overblown, it's literally all the QB. They got way more production out of the guys they have once Mac was benched.
Bill believes the system makes the player vs. getting talent and building around them. That affects how he drafts, unfortunately. Especially on offense. If we can get a GM that he vibes with that could work. But he also has to change some of his mentality as well. We can't draft a star WR and bench him because he fumbles once like we did with Pop Douglas.
@@Steven-lb4blBecause the BS by Bellitard's fans every where. for example, Belichick's defense allowed Broncos coming back from 7-23, it was Zappe who saved the game, but Belitard's fans thank Belitard.
I’m a life long Pats fan and even I have to admit…they are toast. They have so many problems on offense and special teams. Hell they have a 4th round kicker who regularly misses field goals. AND they are going to play themselves right out of a top three draft pick. Bravo Krafts…you’ve allowed this train to go completely off the tracks Fugitive style.
Pats need a GM and new OC (could be josh again) Bill is still a good defensive coordinator and game manager, these losses are caused by poor offensive personell and coaching
Kraft should get Jim Harbaugh and gives him all the power that he gave BB. That will make this Pats a playoff contender team again and in two years a Superbowl contender.
Letting BB leave will be Krafts worst move. Hard knocks is coming next year Bill has $90,0000 cap space even if we beat the Jets we have the best draft position Bill has had in decades. The defense is awesome and will only get better next year. The Offense is not as far away as people think. Let O'Brien bring in his own offensive staff and pick offensive players while Bill picks defense 😊
*I want Belichick to stay and to fix this offense. We know what the problem is, we have THE MOST money going into the offseason, we have the picks. Solidify the offense line and receiver group via FA and go out and Draft a QB with your top pick.*
I think Onwenu is ready to play ball for them and pivot to tackle, he has been excellent the last couple weeks after a rough adjustment period mid season.
And yes pardon me as well! My profound Apologies if i have spoken a bit to rough to all the people in the Media! I respect your jobs and what you give us all! Thanks guys!
Every Monday, Bill talks to those on the radio in a more relaxed manner. Did they ever actually listen? Describing this as abnormal is ridiculous and then making analyzes based on this thesis is really, really stupid.
Belichick should go take a high profile d-coordinator job for his last few years. Would be a classy way to end his career, and if he joined a playoff team he'd have a pretty damn good chance of getting another super bowl.
Its either now or two more years. I dont see Bill changing his ways. He should have had a plan ready before he let Brady go. He put Mac through hell with hiring Patricia and Judge.
Their offensive skill players are the least explosive I've seen in many years. They need to bring someone in for talent evaluation and let Bill coach. Doubt he would be agreeable to that but maybe he can be honest with himself.
Bill literally said yesterday that he doesn't spend much time doing talent evaluations, and there are literally teams of people that do that. They had a bad 2022 after the Raiders pillaged their front office. Now they are back, and had the third best draft in 2023 after the Texans and the Rams. It's spending spree year like 2021. And as a bonus we get a new QB that is not the worst in the league.
You can't win with no QB, every one of their weapons and the OL played significantly better after Mac was benched. Like immediately pressure rates dropped and guys that hadn't contributed all year are catching balls (Parker, Gesicki, JuJu, Reagor, Douglas, Thornton)
There have been so many articles about the system Bill created that will work forever. And in the end.. The whole system was based on the great quarterback, after whose departure it turned out that there was no system. It's all a bluff.
I'm a pats fan watches MO Lewis bury Bledsoe and birth the dynasty, getting rid of Bill is absolutely OUT of the question it's actually the stupidest thing I've ever heard and I hope Mr. Kraft is the smart man I believe him to be amd understands this as well,anyway I'm thinking Pat's need to go get Justin Fields he is the answer to our problems defense is sick Justin Fields will fix the QB position we also need some new wideouts those 2 areas we win 10 games easy
Belichick never had IT to be a great coach. What Belichick needed was *high QUALITY plays from his QB with a CHEAP squad.* If Belichick the id10t had THE Brady of early 2000s in last 3 seasons, he would still look like a genius, and his brainwashed fans would still talk about how great he was. Without Brady, the Pats in early 2000s would be like the Pats in last 3 seasons, and Belichick would look like an id10t like he is now. What makes Belichick a dumbfook is that he still doesn't realize that his defense can't even make team a serious playoff contender and he needs so much from offense.
I agree with the first part but not the Fields part, I think it would be better if they went and picked up Kirk in FA and Harrison Jr in the draft. Everyone thinks it's a must to pick a QB in the top 5 but NO #2-5 pick has won a SB in the 2000's and only 2 #1 picks won a SB for the team that drafted them, both were named Manning and only one other #1 has won a SB since 2000 and that was Stafford. Even if you look at the best QBs in the league most are not Top 5. The team in actuality is not that bad, there is an easy argument to be made that we could easily be 10-6 right now instead of 4-12 if we had better QB play. The last game we easily could have won, we held 3 teams straight to 10 points or less, we should definitely have won those, We should have beaten the Redskins, that is 5 games we should have won and that doesn't include the Philly game or the Miami games that we were well in range to win until Mac decided he was playing for the other team. So even if you say 1 of those 3 games that would put us at 10-6 right now, which all means nothing in the end but it does show the team is not nearly as bad as it's record would indicate. It's kind of like the reverse image of Philly where their record makes them look better than they really are. LOL
I honestly do not see him coaching anywhere why start over at his age everything he has done for one franchise I’d pack up before I go coach else where
The Patriots know how to evaluate offensive linemen? They may have the worst offensive line in the NFL. Also, before and after Tom Brady, Bill Belichick has a losing record as head coach. He is a glorified defensive coordinator.
But does Belichick want to be on Hard Knocks? If he comes back, the Patriots have ZERO ability to opt out. The entire season will be under a microscope. I don't know that he will want to deal with that.
i think Bill is still a great coach, he’s just missed on so many offensive players. If he had just a top 20 QB and 1 or 2 above average receivers I think they’d be a playoff team this year.
Keep Bill as Head Coach. Give him limited GM powers to draft defensive players only.. See if you can bring in McDaniels with O'Brien to have full control of the offense with GM powers to draft offensive players... But the days of Bill being all-powerful are at an end... You try it for 2024 his contract extension if it works great ...if it doesn't you part with Bill however, you need to.
IF (?) Belichick stayed 1 more season, he would be a lame duck GM/Coach. Therefore, there are 2 scenarios: 1. Keep Belichick and sign him for extra years. Or 2. Trade, fire, allow to leave, wtf ever. Answer is 2.
Im a die hard pats fan but if bill is still here next year ill be a Panthers fan we need much better drafting and a new head coach he was great and our defense is still great but no more bb NO MORE
He did not win anything before and after Brady, he is stubborn, remember he is the one that draft those players so no he was never a great coach Brady gave him all he has
Adam Peters the AGM in SF was in NE he is perfect!
I loved both of your takes on this situation, greetings from a Mexican fan 🙌🏽
You have to imagine as well that Bill Belivhick is also negotiating with the league about whether or not they can guarantee to script him another Superbowl victory and which potential team he could join has the most powerful and compelling storyline for the league to want to make that happen.
My guess is that Belivhick to the Jets is the best possible storyline with Rogers coming back from injury, Belichick returning to the Jets, playing the Patriots twice a year, matching Bradys post Patriots title, passing Don Shula all time wins and bringing the Jets their first title since 68.
I mean that's a slam dunk.
“Well you know, I don’t know”. Simms sure has always had a way with words.
He is 71 how long does he want to work? I always remember Dick Vermeil saying when he retired from the Eagles 6 in the morning to late nights during the season!
If you got paid millions of dollars a year to do what you loved most in the world, when would you quit?
As long as your mind is still sharp and you are happy with your job, you can work as long as you like. Charlie Munger worked until he died and he was like 98 years old. Warren Buffett is still going strong at 96. Munger's mind was still sharper than most men in their thirties when he died.
I just don't think BB is a good coach. His records without Brady speak for itself. And he has 4 years to rebuild and it is getting worst each year. So how many more yours do his apologists want him to have? Whether BB stays with the Pats or go to the Chargers, I will still prove my point that he is an average coach at best. After Brady was forced out, I debated with BB's proponents and Brady's haters that I am willing to give BB as many years as he wants and he would never sniff the Superbowl again. So I hope that he can coach for many many more years so I can watch and listen to his fans squirming trying to come up with excuses for him.
It would be nice if we could draft skill players more consistently lol. But a new lead culture in general would help.
Douglas is a sure fire hit at this point so I think people need to temper the complaints. They also found Stevenson and he is building a solid foundation with the young interior OL despite complaints he hasn't found a tackle.
They are in incredibly good position for next year. The return the entire defense (minus Dugger) and still have 90M in cap space. 4 out of their 5 OL will be back and are above average to plus starters. Stevenson and Douglas can make plays, and Parker is a fine third option.
With 90M in cap space and a top 5 pick, this is a SHOCKINGLY small amount of holes. Whether they draft MHJ or a QB, they will basically have 30-40M to spend on a QB1 or a WR1.
They are in great shape, will have a top 3 defense, and should have an above average offseason courtesy of the spending spree.
You give this team a decent QB and it's a playoff team. A good QB and it will make a lot of noise.
Was under the impression Patriots had some major injuries next year stick with Bill watch them make major turnaround miss these teams when they go into major slide
Mike's description of Robert craft on the ✈️ looking out had me on a DAY DREAM ADVENTURE!! I was outside that plane watching kraft make his way back in and sit down. Bill ante leaving. I wish he would. Alls he needs is a top 15 qb to make noise again.
I think Bill is still a great coach, he’s just missed on so many offensive players. If he had just a top 20 QB and 1 or 2 above average receivers I think they’d be a playoff team this year. Let him stay as coach but bring on a GM, he just needs help finding talent on offense.
Belichick never had IT to be a great coach.
What Belichick needed was *high QUALITY plays from his QB with a CHEAP squad.*
If Belichick the id10t had THE Brady of early 2000s in last 3 seasons, he would still look like a genius, and his brainwashed fans would still talk about how great he was.
Without Brady, the Pats in early 2000s would be like the Pats in last 3 seasons, and Belichick would look like an id10t like he is now.
What makes Belichick a dumbfook is that he still doesn't realize that his defense can't even make team a serious playoff contender and he needs so much from offense.
He did a decent job the last couple years either way. It is funny seeing our fans talk about how bad he is at drafting but in the next breath say that he ruined a 'sure pick' in Mac Jones.
Ok so did he fail to coach Mac and develop him or did he fail at drafting as a GM? He's got effective young OL who have only suffered from inexperience. Mafi and Strange and Sow have been starting or rotating all year for experience. He found Demario Douglas in the 6th round, he found Stevenson a couple seasons ago...
I think even the offensive drafting issues are overblown, it's literally all the QB. They got way more production out of the guys they have once Mac was benched.
@@williamli6200you mad bro? You’re copying and pasting this comment everywhere. Get a life
Bill believes the system makes the player vs. getting talent and building around them. That affects how he drafts, unfortunately. Especially on offense. If we can get a GM that he vibes with that could work. But he also has to change some of his mentality as well. We can't draft a star WR and bench him because he fumbles once like we did with Pop Douglas.
@@Steven-lb4blBecause the BS by Bellitard's fans every where.
for example, Belichick's defense allowed Broncos coming back from 7-23, it was Zappe who saved the game, but Belitard's fans thank Belitard.
I’m a life long Pats fan and even I have to admit…they are toast. They have so many problems on offense and special teams. Hell they have a 4th round kicker who regularly misses field goals. AND they are going to play themselves right out of a top three draft pick. Bravo Krafts…you’ve allowed this train to go completely off the tracks Fugitive style.
Who replaces him???
Pats need a GM and new OC (could be josh again)
Bill is still a good defensive coordinator and game manager, these losses are caused by poor offensive personell and coaching
Josh just has one job .. and that’s OC for Billichick
Yeah... so who drafted and made all those bad offensive personnel? All of you who want him to stay can't see the bigger picture.
We are lucky to have Coach and until he retires he is our only option cause Bill is the best in this fans opinion.
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He's so ass BB is the worst offensive coach to ever exist. But if you love special teams he's your guy
Lmfao. Still living in the past
He's the worst gm in the game . And his football team is a bottom 5 team how the hell is he the best
Kraft should get Jim Harbaugh and gives him all the power that he gave BB. That will make this Pats a playoff contender team again and in two years a Superbowl contender.
how is Jim Harbaugh a better upgrade than Belichick. He literally got his ass fired from the 49ers
Is counselor a skydiver? That was way too accurate of an iteration of the moment of diving out of a plane to not have lived it!!
Florio's take about how sure people are about who Bill is and what Bill will do is a breath of fresh air compared to the disrespect he gets normally.
What about the Michigan Coach! ???? Harbaugh!
Letting BB leave will be Krafts worst move. Hard knocks is coming next year Bill has $90,0000 cap space even if we beat the Jets we have the best draft position Bill has had in decades. The defense is awesome and will only get better next year. The Offense is not as far away as people think. Let O'Brien bring in his own offensive staff and pick offensive players while Bill picks defense 😊
Let Bill coach defense and handle defense. The pats need a young OFFENSIVE coordinator and a real GM.
He won't allow anyone else to be GM. It's ridiculous how many people don't understand this.
@@chrish2112It's not his decision, it's Kraft's.
2 OT's, 2 WR's & 1 QB
*I want Belichick to stay and to fix this offense. We know what the problem is, we have THE MOST money going into the offseason, we have the picks. Solidify the offense line and receiver group via FA and go out and Draft a QB with your top pick.*
These people were COMPLETELY wrong about Tomlinson and the Steelers. How are they more informed on the Pats?
Pats need two tackles.
I think Onwenu is ready to play ball for them and pivot to tackle, he has been excellent the last couple weeks after a rough adjustment period mid season.
And yes pardon me as well! My profound Apologies if i have spoken a bit to rough to all the people in the Media! I respect your jobs and what you give us all! Thanks guys!
Every Monday, Bill talks to those on the radio in a more relaxed manner. Did they ever actually listen? Describing this as abnormal is ridiculous and then making analyzes based on this thesis is really, really stupid.
Bellicheck probably shouldn’t be a GM, just take that off his plate. Bill should just be the HC he’s one of the all time greats at it.
Mike is correct. I have never heard him that upbeat. Sounds like a guy who is relishing the idea of getting out of that organization.
Belichick should go take a high profile d-coordinator job for his last few years. Would be a classy way to end his career, and if he joined a playoff team he'd have a pretty damn good chance of getting another super bowl.
Its either now or two more years. I dont see Bill changing his ways. He should have had a plan ready before he let Brady go. He put Mac through hell with hiring Patricia and Judge.
Just rip the bandaid off now.
Mike Florio is a lawyer and that was a horrible "keep Belichick" arguement. Which tells you, Belichick is gone.
*It doesn’t tell us anything actually.*
And if your a fan at all even a Bit!!! You have that Paper Bag on your head and a sharpie note saying 6 time Supper Bowl Champs!
Bill also said he’s going to let us know through twitter and myface what’s next for him.
His way of applying for a job
Their offensive skill players are the least explosive I've seen in many years. They need to bring someone in for talent evaluation and let Bill coach. Doubt he would be agreeable to that but maybe he can be honest with himself.
Bill literally said yesterday that he doesn't spend much time doing talent evaluations, and there are literally teams of people that do that. They had a bad 2022 after the Raiders pillaged their front office. Now they are back, and had the third best draft in 2023 after the Texans and the Rams.
It's spending spree year like 2021. And as a bonus we get a new QB that is not the worst in the league.
Did he just say they're going to draft someone who's already proven themselves?
You can't win with no OL and no wide receivers.
You can't win with no QB, every one of their weapons and the OL played significantly better after Mac was benched. Like immediately pressure rates dropped and guys that hadn't contributed all year are catching balls (Parker, Gesicki, JuJu, Reagor, Douglas, Thornton)
There have been so many articles about the system Bill created that will work forever. And in the end.. The whole system was based on the great quarterback, after whose departure it turned out that there was no system. It's all a bluff.
I'm a pats fan watches MO Lewis bury Bledsoe and birth the dynasty, getting rid of Bill is absolutely OUT of the question it's actually the stupidest thing I've ever heard and I hope Mr. Kraft is the smart man I believe him to be amd understands this as well,anyway I'm thinking Pat's need to go get Justin Fields he is the answer to our problems defense is sick Justin Fields will fix the QB position we also need some new wideouts those 2 areas we win 10 games easy
Belichick never had IT to be a great coach.
What Belichick needed was *high QUALITY plays from his QB with a CHEAP squad.*
If Belichick the id10t had THE Brady of early 2000s in last 3 seasons, he would still look like a genius, and his brainwashed fans would still talk about how great he was.
Without Brady, the Pats in early 2000s would be like the Pats in last 3 seasons, and Belichick would look like an id10t like he is now.
What makes Belichick a dumbfook is that he still doesn't realize that his defense can't even make team a serious playoff contender and he needs so much from offense.
I agree with the first part but not the Fields part, I think it would be better if they went and picked up Kirk in FA and Harrison Jr in the draft. Everyone thinks it's a must to pick a QB in the top 5 but NO #2-5 pick has won a SB in the 2000's and only 2 #1 picks won a SB for the team that drafted them, both were named Manning and only one other #1 has won a SB since 2000 and that was Stafford. Even if you look at the best QBs in the league most are not Top 5.
The team in actuality is not that bad, there is an easy argument to be made that we could easily be 10-6 right now instead of 4-12 if we had better QB play. The last game we easily could have won, we held 3 teams straight to 10 points or less, we should definitely have won those, We should have beaten the Redskins, that is 5 games we should have won and that doesn't include the Philly game or the Miami games that we were well in range to win until Mac decided he was playing for the other team. So even if you say 1 of those 3 games that would put us at 10-6 right now, which all means nothing in the end but it does show the team is not nearly as bad as it's record would indicate. It's kind of like the reverse image of Philly where their record makes them look better than they really are. LOL
The only ex Patriot I want to hire is Vrabel. If not him bring in a coach and a GM who will bring a new philosophy to this team.
It would be the same.
Big fan, but while Belichick the head coach is still great, Belichick the general manager has not been good.
I honestly do not see him coaching anywhere why start over at his age everything he has done for one franchise I’d pack up before I go coach else where
I all ways looked at Bill as the Greatest! But he does act like a stale Potato Chip!
If Belichick gets paid to do a radio spot, he's going to offer more than barely audible responses to the non-paying media.
The Patriots know how to evaluate offensive linemen? They may have the worst offensive line in the NFL. Also, before and after Tom Brady, Bill Belichick has a losing record as head coach. He is a glorified defensive coordinator.
But does Belichick want to be on Hard Knocks?
If he comes back, the Patriots have ZERO ability to opt out. The entire season will be under a microscope. I don't know that he will want to deal with that.
He literally let an entire film crew record his private meetings for 17 weeks in 2009, what are you on about?
He's made it clear he doesn't want to do Hard Knocks
Creeps Simps is in shambles now that it's proven that it was more Brady LOL
i think Bill is still a great coach, he’s just missed on so many offensive players. If he had just a top 20 QB and 1 or 2 above average receivers I think they’d be a playoff team this year.
Fire kràft
Keep Bill as Head Coach. Give him limited GM powers to draft defensive players only.. See if you can bring in McDaniels with O'Brien to have full control of the offense with GM powers to draft offensive players... But the days of Bill being all-powerful are at an end... You try it for 2024 his contract extension if it works great ...if it doesn't you part with Bill however, you need to.
I just feel that Kraft owes it to Bill to let him quit on him and never fire him until he thinks he is done
IF (?) Belichick stayed 1 more season, he would be a lame duck GM/Coach. Therefore, there are 2 scenarios:
1. Keep Belichick and sign him for extra years. Or
2. Trade, fire, allow to leave, wtf ever.
Answer is 2.
Im a die hard pats fan but if bill is still here next year ill be a Panthers fan we need much better drafting and a new head coach he was great and our defense is still great but no more bb NO MORE
The why are they so dam bad!??? I mean Damm they are Bad!!!
More like THE PLANE is on a nose dive
He did not win anything before and after Brady, he is stubborn, remember he is the one that draft those players so no he was never a great coach Brady gave him all he has
And please name me one great coach that didn't have a great quarterback. You're a simpleton.
Bills gf left him bc of his high blood sugar. Kraft will leave him next. Take of your health or life will pass you by 👋🏻
Belichick won’t be successful anywhere if he only higher his guys. He is still a great coach, but he needs help with the draft and offense
It's over time to move on to a new culture. Reset