Another interesting and informative briefing. Thank you CDR. Carroll! Regards to Prof. Bronk! Reach out to the 177th FW at Atlantic City,NJ. Cool People!
The biggest issue is if ttherewill be ww3, against conventional armies, using strike fighters will be almost impossible due to the air defenses of the countries taking part. We've seen some major failings of air force in the last 30 years or so because a good air defense with clever takes nullifies strikers. First you need to take out the air defense network. Even in Serbia the missile strikes on their air defense by NATO were highly ineffective. I think they destroyed like 3 pieces of equipment in 3 months with 700 missiles.gest issue is if their will be
Last major point. the Rafale is an aircraft fighter made in France (engine, radar, avionics, EW spectra system) which uses French weapons. So it does not depend on the moods of american politicians and the American People.Sorry but This is an important point in this period
Indeed, as opposed to the Gripen which is only about 10% Swedish and the rest is French, US, Italian, British, German, etc. Tech assembled to make an airplane. The full details are available on the Swiss report on the Gripen.
I think that populist politicians will find themselves being very unpopular in the company of certain US CEO's, and is going to be lectured about Adam Smith repeatedly until it sinks in...?!
Fair point. France did fantastically well to design, engineer and produce this aircraft completely alone. We in the UK can’t even get the Meteor integrated into the F-35!
@Kaatu-barada-nikto Why do you choose a comment entirely unrelated to bury your news? Why not start your own thread instead of hijacking someone else’s remarks. 🤔 Not cool and a bit cowardly. 🙄
@@dougvazquez6571 but with a quite strong anti-french biais. It sometimes blurs its objectivity, or make him overlook some interesting technical aspects on things when they are French or French related.
Ward! I did not expect to see you in a Descendents T-Shirt! I love all the old California punk bands. Really takes me back to the 80's and 90's. I had no idea you were a fan of that style of music.
Ra-fa-EL ? ? C'mon, Ward, no, that's the Italian who painted those rascally/cute little angels. The Rafale (ra-FAL) is a stormy blast of wind, a gust. Justin gets it.
RAFAEL? Come on Ward, that’s a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle. It’s Rafale. You’re the go-to GOAT on this stuff. 😎👍🏼 How about each ally simply use the plane they can do best with in terms of volume, supplies and training?
Having multiple jets helps find strengths and weaknesses of each, which should help improve follow on variants and new platforms, and prevents enemies from capitalizing on any 1 weakness.
Rafale - is a French word that translates to either „strong wind gust“ or in general a sudden, violent occurrence that can be many things, or in the military sense, something like a volley of artillery, a sudden attack…
Holly mackerel.....!!! What a job...!! Flying all the latest stuff must be the dream of any aviator. Not many people have that kind of insight into the state of the art. Thanks again Ward for you amazing access to such a cadre of interesting folks.
Surprisingly favourable! They did just recently come out of overall and modernization so it is encouraging to hear the the tech and layout is helping keep the platform semi useable ;)
@@davidkreutzkamp6602 They've never been as deadly. the entire fleet got Hornet Extension Project#1(HEP1) and 36 of the lowest houred airframes get the AESA APG-79(V4) radar Block-2 AIM-9X/AIM-120D/AGM-154 JSOW precision glide weapon. They are entering their 5th decade of service. Canada and Australia were the first countries to have the Legacy Hornets enter service. RCAF F-18 IOC was 1982 IIRC. I remember that Australia and Canada teamed up to solve the "case of the vibrating vertical stabs".
Cf-18 is a very good for what it is but there is better in if you look at the history of it the jackass ninnies that were in charge by way back when f*** was over royally because they were too stupid to understand that there was better options on the table than they got to see if 18 that we've got we are offered the f-18l or the F20 as well including for us to produce them here in Canada the seems we used to produce the fives but no some f-tard and Ottawa that had no clue what the hell you're doing insisted one of us buying off the shelf navalized version which is idiotic when we have no Navy no carriers and never will really pissed me off that you wouldn't believe it's like the morons that are currently picking the F-35 fat enemy which won't do 99% of what we actually need meanwhile the Griffin is it's like it was handmade specifically for conductors saying his actual needs Emily you again could produce it here it would do beautifully but idiot Justin you know once again proving you need the worst prime minister in our entire history as for the rest I miss my time in both Canadian and American forces but that was a lifetime of going now
Very good info Dr. Thank you for your service to the world and continue doing all the talks that you do and thanks Mooch for having him on the channel. From Amarillo
It's interesting to hear all the computer and display capabilities replacing more and more what Mooch used to do and pilots had to be aware of in singles. Leaving as much as possible only the decision choices to the operators. But as we've heard from many stories in military and commercial aviation when problems arise, a 2nd person in cockpit has great value in cross checking decisions and sharing bandwidth to prevent task overload and mental lockup.
I wish I had a job like his, not only do you get to nerd out on all the cabalities and really research each aircraft, you sometimes get a chance to fly in one! I know he probably has a stupid amount of hard work and travel, but looking from the outside it seems like a dream job.
Typhon Eurofighter will soon be getting a new radar with electronic scanning and a few other systems. It has already been ordered and is being manufactured. Maybe in 2-3 years we will see Typhon with completely new capabilities.
u mean the tranche 5. it will also feature a new cockpit, similar to the f35. elder typhoons will get into a massive upgrade phase i suppose, or will be transformed and more suited for CAS
@@movedon20000 No, the older tranches of Typhoon are completely unsuited to CAS (not to mention being expensive to keep them in operation when that role is going out of fashion anyway... It was very useful when we're fighting insurgents in the middle-east, but not practical against a near-peer enemy). They might be kept on to do air intercept (as they were originally designed) or relegated to training or parts. The old obsession with CAS is being replaced with SEAD (hence F-35 which is almost purpose-built for that).
Can’t wait to see Justin Bronk fly back seat of a Gripen F for the first time and see his reaction to the *Next Generation* Gripen platform. Unfortunately they are still very restrictive when it comes to letting foreigners near the live cockpit and tech, and another detail is of course that it has yet to make its maiden flight. But both these things will change in due time. 🙂 It would also be interesting to hear his view of the upcoming german “Elektronischen Kampf” version of the Typhoon, bringing the Arexis EW suite of the Gripen E/F to the ”Eurofighter”. Seems like a great match… 🙂
Gripen is a nice jet....but its small. And you can only do so much with a small jet.... Gripen E just doesn't have the power, either engine thrust or electrical, to really threaten the larger 2 engine aircraft. It's radar after all is a much smaller version of Typhoon's in the PS-05 version on Gripen C, on Gripen E it has the ES-05. Which is the Leonardo Vixen 1000E radar, which is based on the CAPTOR,PS-05 architecture with AESA antenna. It's not going to come close to the Typhoon's ECRS Mk.0...let alone the mk.1 or the UK's Brightadder derived ECRS Mk.2. The power and technological differences between the radars is a huge gulf. To give you an idea the F-35's AN/APG-81 is around 60% larger than the ES-05....Typhoon's radar is larger still...the smaller radar space is also an issue with the Rafale, whose nose was shaped to provide better visibility on carrier landing approaches, but that means that the RBE.2 is a far, far smaller set than Typhoon's radar. Gripen's small size causes issues across the board in other areas. It's lack of conformal carriage means that if it carries larger stores, like Meteor, they have to hang from pylons with significant drag penalties. Once you start handing weapons from it its range, operating altitude and speed drop dramatically. It also limits its weapons load. Once again available thrust comes into play....Gripen E is said to be able to supercruise, just (m1.1, unlike Gripen C which can't), but only by carrying a minimal A2A load of a couple of IRIS-T. Typhoon can supercruise at m1.5-1.6 with a full A2A loadout of 4 Meteor and 4 Asraam....and an external centreline tank. Size matters I'm afraid... Don't get me wrong its a good little plane....but the 'little' comes with penalties. As for the Typhoon EK it will be a good capability...but its not going to be an EA-18G equivalent. It will be more capable than the F-16CJ for example, but the scaling back from the original 2 seater ECR version to single seat EK has reduced its capabilities significantly, which is a real pity...
I took part in Red Flag way back in 1985. For part of the exercise we ( in U.K. Jaguar GR 1 s ) were escorted by US Marine corps F4,s. Even back then they had a helmet mounted aiming system and they were able to take out USAF F15s without leaving station! Their station was either side of our formation both at the front and the rear. As a result we suffered no air to air kills against us and also no ground to air kills despite us deliberately flying over the Sam sites. Only an exercise, I know, but it was nearly 40 years ago and we’re still talking about the introduction of helmet mounted cueing systems - what have you guys being doing for all these years?
It cannot be the CF-18. My father was the SO Plans Officer for that program back in the late 70s. I recall looking at the glossy brochures that the various manufacturers provided for the program competition in our basement. I favoured the F-14, which could explain why I joined the RCN a few years later. Forty plus years later, I was exploring ways the maintenance data for the A and B models could be incorporated into the Commercial Maintenance Systems at the Boeing Company when I was the Chief Architect for Commercial Maintenance Data at Boeing. That airplane has served its time and it needs to be retired.
Of course, Rafale us full french made. Not a bad collaboration beetween 3,4,5 partner 😂 Im french, rafale is french donc forcément mon avis n'est pas biaisé 🎉
@@TUROCK320 Yes thats good because you can sell to who ever you want to ,if yu have 2,3.4 partners your not going to sell because at least one will have a beef with the country like India for example as they are friends with Russia
I like listening to Justin Bronk, he really knows his aircraft and everything that goes with them. Comparing all these aircraft is pretty complex as they all have flaws but if I was given the choice, I would go for the Typhoon as long as it had all the upgrades..... radar, fuel tanks, avionics, cockpit, helmet etc..... that are coming in soon.
It’s phenomenal what the Swedish aircraft industry, and defense industry in general, has done by itself, out of NATO until only recently…absolutely phenomenal.
And for such a long time staying at the forefront, the Draken entered service in 1955, it was a great aircraft, arguably the best at the time. Still gave stellar service in the 1980ies here in Denmark 🇩🇰
Professor Bronk always has leading edge information and a wide angle view of Military capabilities that we are in desperate need of in this dangerous period
Justin is a brilliant aerial warfare expert who is always a pleasure to listen to, but I didn't know he has first-hand experience in these machines. The number of planes he has flown is also impressive.
In defence of the "Typhoon" it was originally designed as an air-superiority fighter, to replace the TORNADO F.3, F-4 PHANTOM II, F-104 STARFIGHTER and MIRAGE F.1. Now it is a TORNADO IDS /ECR (forthcoming), which can dogfight like an F-15 or F-16. Although it maintained the deployablity of a TORNADO. Upgrades are underway.
The Typhoon is one of my favourite planes, but I still see that as short-sightedness on behalf of the designers and countries who produced the spec... After all the cancellations of the previous 40-50 years, unless they had an already in-development and well-funded replacement for Tornado in the 90s, they should have anticipated the need for Typhoon to have to do both. Also, the poor cockpit design seems to be a consistent theme with British aircraft sadly. I don't get why they don't study the erganomics of all the rest, and go with what works best.
The F/A-18E-F over the F-122 close in due to the HMS points directly to the lessons we learned fighting the FSU Mig-29's and how important an HMS is for that shot close in.
This is a bit of a confusing video. When comparing aircrafts, one should really identify the version of the aircrafts because there are huge differences between versions, and then discuss merits of various aircrafts in a given scenario because again there are many pros and cons for the different aircrafts that are critical in any given scenario. Note that being the "best" aircraft for a pilot when flying in a mission is not being the "best" aircraft in a more strategic sense (there are again critical factors such as availability, robustness, ergonomics, logistics required etc. that will affect greatly the actual usefulness of a plane in a war). That being said, if taking "the best" version available, the choice of the Typhoon for an air superiority mission is OK, when equipped with the AESA radar and a good mix of meteor and AMRAAM at high altitude, it is an excellent airplane, even though the stealth capacity of the F22 would still be a decisive advantage. For strike missions this is again a bit more complicated because it would really depend on the mission and type of hostile environment, but even in a shorter range mission, I would still put the Rafale ahead of the Gripen; The Gripen E is excellent, no doubt, but the Rafale is a twin engine plane, and in a two seater configuration, with the improved air to ground radar of the F4 version and ASSM hammer precision ammunitions, its ability to penetrate heavily protected enemy lanes and deliver safely precision loadout would be better than that of a Gripen. True, the current MICA is not as good as AMRAAM, but the Rafale can carry a much heavier load than the Gripen, meaning it can switch to an air defense role once its strike mission accomplished much more easily than a Gripen and carry meteor for that defense role if needed (and MICA NG are coming up very soon), and again the two seater configuration allows a much better 360° awareness in complex missions, even if the Gripen, as the Rafale, have excellent sensors all around. Again, F35A would probably come on top for a strike mission, this is what it was developed for, but it is less flexible than both Gripen and Rafale which are better multirole planes. F16 and F18, even in latest versions, will not be as good as Rafale and Gripen in their latest versions, they are much older design despite excellent upgrades, and as indicated, they are designed to be operated in US context with massive logistic support that only the US can provide. Rafale and Gripen are produced my medium nations than cannot afford such support, and thus are less demanding.
A bit of comparing apples with pears and plums, isn't it? Comparing a legacy Hornet or a Block50/52 F-16 with Typhoon and Rafale? Also which Typhoon are you talking about? Tranche 1/2/3? And as Strikefrighter I'd very much consider the F-35. Since Justin has no experience with that, I'd claim to say that the title is a tad bit misleading. ;)
I recently made a comment on the Taiwanese Gripens that were in Australia for Excercise Pitch Black. I said "Wow. Gripens. That's gonna give the RAAF a hard time." A couple of hours later, someone responded that the Gripen is a difficult jet to fly against.
@@pneudmatic Thai air force got Gripen, and seems they will be buying about a squadron of E/Fs, to replace their F-16 A/B fleet. Edit: Sorry misunderstood. Thai air force flyg Gripen and F-16, Tawain I think use F-16.
Well, Typhoon Tranche 4 is on it´s way. Including new radar and a F-35 like cockpit with a single large display. If the plans work out, the first ones for the Luftwaffe should be phased in next year.
I think some of those will be using Saabs Arexis EW sensor suite as well, I remember reading something about it. I think it was 15 aircraft, it would be the same system that is on the Gripen E/F aircraft.
20 years after entering service... The Typhoon is late to the party in terms of acquiring capabilities which the Rafale and even the F-16 already have. Having said that, perhaps the timing will prove fortuitous.
Always good to have Justin on the channel. I’ve also had the opportunity of hearing him speak in person several times. My observation on this video though is that the extent to which the intuition of various HOTAS set-ups impacts an aircraft’s capability is perhaps over-sold. If you’re a passenger, even a very well-informed one, switching between jets then yes. But for the pilots who are trained and experienced on one type alone, unless there’s a fundamental flaw in the HMI surely the differences are nil to negligible in practice?
Super Hornets getting first shots off at Raptors with the helmet mounted sight was sort of surprising. An interesting equalizer for a 4th gen jet vs. 5th gen.
Dogfight situation with 9X, propably weapons cold until merge. Not realy surprising, legacy Hornets with JHMCS would achieve this as well. I´ll never get how they could adopt the F-22 without JHMCS. I mean, that bird was developed and then build up from the smallest screw to be THE perfect air superiority fighter. And then they scratch the JHMCS for the matter of cost reducing. To save like 500.000 dollars on a jet that has a flyaway price of 161 million dollars 🤦♂
They'd known about this since the 90s - when, in that brief period post-German reunification, the Luftwaffe was still running MiG-29s, some Americans went up against them in dogfight training and the Americans were absolutely livid when they were, say, abeam of of a Mig and and the pilot called out "Shooting", because the Mig's crude - but effective - HMD allowed them to do that.
Rafale is the only one which can operate on a carrier, it can carry more than twice it's weight in weapons/fuel tanks and is also often used for air refueling which gives the best flexibility on the battlefield
The F35 also can. The issue isn't really with aircrafts themselves, but more with the fact that no European carrier outside of the Charles de Gaulle has a catapult. Which drastically reduce the number of aircraft a carrier can launch, and how much payload and fuel those it can are able to take-off with
There it is!!!!!! Star Wars!! I can hear my wife rolling her eyes right now!!!! Great content Mooch. Hopefully there won't be a WWIII anytime soon! Oh! And great shirt!!!! "Enjoy my good friend. Enjoy!"
If we are going to limit this to Gen 4.5 fighters then F-15EX is the one I’d want to go to war in. Beast level power and kinematics, long range and a huge load out of very potent weapons.
You hit the nail on the head! STRIKE FIGHTER is the issue, STRIKE! Must have awesome payload capability, capacity, range and defensive prowess to get there and back.
Memories memories I went from my old F5 to 15 and I adored 15 I would love to get my hands on the new Griffin the Rafael or the typhoon just give me a just because I'll pass on the Fat Amy because it's a flying turd at best but as far as the f-15ex as much as I love the F-15 and it's the bone structure is spectacular as we all know if I had to go to Warren one of them nowadays I'm sorry no the fa 15 would not be my top pick that's it it wouldn't be very far down the list either cuz just the the under reliability of it to be able to do what you want in 99% of the time it's just staggering now if you took the F-15 EX go back to the old one off prototype with the forward canards to give it a maneuverability and with updated avionics that could be one seriously impressive Beast
It's because the European majority of NATO members are realising how unreliable a partner the US is going to become, so we're switching back to domestic military hardware instead of conforming to US standards.
I think Justin was alluding to the Meteor being significantly fewer in current German/European inventory in comparison to AMRAAM-D in US inventory. Meteor is a very capable missile but can only do so much if you are limited to only carry 2 of them or less when you could be carrying 6 or more AMRAAM-D.
@@sillyslapper92 That and the American's purposefully holding back their F-35 Integration of meteor until they get their Aim-260 out the door for sales
@@batteredwarrior Are you saying Germany don't have the Meteor? I'm pretty sure they do, Wikipedia says they ordered back in 2013 and then in 2018, and just now they've ordered more as well.
All the DCS guys are nodding when you spoke about F16 air to ground vs classic hornet. Classic hornet pref air to ground and F16 best interface air to air.
Going to CAS, no A10 I take the Rafale because better cannon and better radar and better active stealth and Hammer glidebomb and Scalp missiles. On my way back enemies in the sky I also take Rafale because better front camera and FLIR, better dogfight, Meteor Mica and Magic missiles. And because friendly carriers in the zone I also take Rafale because carrier compatible
You're judged sometimes by the company you keep. Mooch, you keep very good company. Such a pleasure to hear these systems broken down by their real versus wikipedia capabilities. Keep these sessions going please.
48k ft, Mach 1.13, 4-5G, dry power, still supersonic after several turns, and climbing?!? That is stupid levels of performance. Makes you wonder what they’re cooking up with GCAP now.
I agree with you, but it is the shortest range missile on the European planes. It takes the role of the AIM9 for US planes (and their customers) It's better than the Sidewinder, even in its latest version, but it is the "short range" weapon (other than the canons), and the mid range too BTW. The AIM120 has to be compared with the METEOR, the actual "long range" armament. And we all know which one of those is the best...
@@MrAnton275 well, most of the informations on open sources make a pretty clear image of which one is the best, so, no need for the real exact capabilities to compare them. The differences seems obvious and the match is very much one-sided.
Mad Respect for your channel and what you do, Mr. Carroll! New subscriber, but it looks like I will be enjoying your content for quite a while! lot of vids to catch up on. :)
11:13 "limited to MICA" The MICA has a little bit shorter range but a higher PK than the AMRAAM. You can change the head to switch between fox 2 and fox 3. With the IR head, it has a way better range than the AIM-9. With the MICA, you are not "limited"
Jason always wanted to become a fighter pilot but due to some physical entry limitations that wasn’t to be yet his eventual alternative pathways has led to to experience and achieve much more than if he had been admitted to pilot training. The sky is indeed the limit.
Please ask Justin to improve his audio. Although I have hearing loss, your audio (Ward) is great. Between Justin’s voice tone, accent and room echo, I find him difficult to understand. Justin is great and the interview was top-notch.
Ward is awesome. Times are changing. A pick that seems at first illogical but tic's all the right boxes: The B-21 Raider. Yep that's right. Check out Alex Hollingsworth analysis.
Problem is that the Eurofighter was built by Britain and Germany (mainly) neither of spends money on upgrading its aircraft until it absolutely has to.
European Typhoon (Not only German, but also Brit, Italian and Spanish. Spain has just ordered another 25 planes (Tranche 4) to substitute part of our Hornets), may also use US missiles, such as AMRAAM.
I can't wait to hear you and Bonk's thoughts on the greenlight USA has given to use long range missiles! Also I'd love to hear your thoughts of the possible Pete Hegseth running DOD.
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Another interesting and informative briefing. Thank you CDR. Carroll! Regards to Prof. Bronk! Reach out to the 177th FW at Atlantic City,NJ. Cool People!
His grasp of the subject matter is truly astonishing!
The biggest issue is if ttherewill be ww3, against conventional armies, using strike fighters will be almost impossible due to the air defenses of the countries taking part. We've seen some major failings of air force in the last 30 years or so because a good air defense with clever takes nullifies strikers. First you need to take out the air defense network. Even in Serbia the missile strikes on their air defense by NATO were highly ineffective. I think they destroyed like 3 pieces of equipment in 3 months with 700 missiles.gest issue is if their will be
a pleasure to have Justin on the channel again
Last major point. the Rafale is an aircraft fighter made in France (engine, radar, avionics, EW spectra system) which uses French weapons. So it does not depend on the moods of american politicians and the American People.Sorry but This is an important point in this period
Indeed, as opposed to the Gripen which is only about 10% Swedish and the rest is French, US, Italian, British, German, etc. Tech assembled to make an airplane.
The full details are available on the Swiss report on the Gripen.
I think that populist politicians will find themselves being very unpopular in the company of certain US CEO's, and is going to be lectured about Adam Smith repeatedly until it sinks in...?!
Fair point. France did fantastically well to design, engineer and produce this aircraft completely alone. We in the UK can’t even get the Meteor integrated into the F-35!
True, but on the other hand - it also depends on limited supply and manufacturing capability of French armament.
@@thexpatplanner It was supposed to be done in TR3, but was dropped.
Justin is one sharp guy, always enjoy listening to his insights.
@Kaatu-barada-nikto Why do you choose a comment entirely unrelated to bury your news? Why not start your own thread instead of hijacking someone else’s remarks. 🤔 Not cool and a bit cowardly. 🙄
@Kaatu-barada-nikto a near miss is still a miss though. And so what if he's paid by NATO so-called 'interests'...who are you paid by I wonder?
Paid for what job? What is his exact job title?@Kaatu-barada-nikto
Rather impressive that he has seat time in all of them.
He hasn’t. Said he’s not flown F35, except sim.
He is 007 after all.
@@johnnunn8688 how many can say they've done that?🤔
@@johnnunn8688Given F-35 (and F-22) is a single-seater you should be pretty good to get a flight 😂
Absolutely
Justin is a treasure. We are very lucky to have this exposure to him. Thank you very much Ward!
Agreed. Justin and Ward are wonderful.
@Kaatu-barada-nikto And you're paid by Putin, so i believe him a lot more then i believe you.
@Kaatu-barada-nikto stop spamming, bot.
@@dougvazquez6571 but with a quite strong anti-french biais. It sometimes blurs its objectivity, or make him overlook some interesting technical aspects on things when they are French or French related.
Ward, you have great guests, but Justin is by far the best.
Of the non US forces guests
I am reading "Lead to Win" because of Ward. Listen to Justin every time. And of course, all the "Punk" books have been gobbled up ages ago.
@Kaatu-barada-nikto And who are you paid by Kaatu?
What a wonderful surprise with Justin Gronk! Love it.
Ward! I did not expect to see you in a Descendents T-Shirt! I love all the old California punk bands. Really takes me back to the 80's and 90's. I had no idea you were a fan of that style of music.
Thanks!
Thanks for your support!
Ra-fa-EL ? ? C'mon, Ward, no, that's the Italian who painted those rascally/cute little angels. The Rafale (ra-FAL) is a stormy blast of wind, a gust. Justin gets it.
RAFAEL? Come on Ward, that’s a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle.
It’s Rafale.
You’re the go-to GOAT on this stuff. 😎👍🏼
How about each ally simply use the plane they can do best with in terms of volume, supplies and training?
Having multiple jets helps find strengths and weaknesses of each, which should help improve follow on variants and new platforms, and prevents enemies from capitalizing on any 1 weakness.
Rafale - is a French word that translates to either „strong wind gust“ or in general a sudden, violent occurrence that can be many things, or in the military sense, something like a volley of artillery, a sudden attack…
"Rafael" is the aviation version of "nucular."
@@RocketToTheMoose Yep.
nah i call it that too, hes a good turtle
Holly mackerel.....!!! What a job...!! Flying all the latest stuff must be the dream of any aviator. Not many people have that kind of insight into the state of the art. Thanks again Ward for you amazing access to such a cadre of interesting folks.
Haha I can't believe you put the CF-18 in that group Ward lol. Can't wait to hear Justins feedback on that platform.
Surprisingly favourable! They did just recently come out of overall and modernization so it is encouraging to hear the the tech and layout is helping keep the platform semi useable ;)
@@davidkreutzkamp6602 If you can keep them in the air. Maintenance is steep.
@@davidkreutzkamp6602 They've never been as deadly. the entire fleet got Hornet Extension Project#1(HEP1) and 36 of the lowest houred airframes get the AESA APG-79(V4) radar Block-2 AIM-9X/AIM-120D/AGM-154 JSOW precision glide weapon. They are entering their 5th decade of service. Canada and Australia were the first countries to have the Legacy Hornets enter service. RCAF F-18 IOC was 1982 IIRC. I remember that Australia and Canada teamed up to solve the "case of the vibrating vertical stabs".
Cf-18 is a very good for what it is but there is better in if you look at the history of it the jackass ninnies that were in charge by way back when f*** was over royally because they were too stupid to understand that there was better options on the table than they got to see if 18 that we've got we are offered the f-18l or the F20 as well including for us to produce them here in Canada the seems we used to produce the fives but no some f-tard and Ottawa that had no clue what the hell you're doing insisted one of us buying off the shelf navalized version which is idiotic when we have no Navy no carriers and never will really pissed me off that you wouldn't believe it's like the morons that are currently picking the F-35 fat enemy which won't do 99% of what we actually need meanwhile the Griffin is it's like it was handmade specifically for conductors saying his actual needs Emily you again could produce it here it would do beautifully but idiot Justin you know once again proving you need the worst prime minister in our entire history as for the rest I miss my time in both Canadian and American forces but that was a lifetime of going now
@@hoghogwild single engine fighters don't cut it in the northern wastelands
Very good info Dr. Thank you for your service to the world and continue doing all the talks that you do and thanks Mooch for having him on the channel. From Amarillo
It's interesting to hear all the computer and display capabilities replacing more and more what Mooch used to do and pilots had to be aware of in singles. Leaving as much as possible only the decision choices to the operators. But as we've heard from many stories in military and commercial aviation when problems arise, a 2nd person in cockpit has great value in cross checking decisions and sharing bandwidth to prevent task overload and mental lockup.
I wish I had a job like his, not only do you get to nerd out on all the cabalities and really research each aircraft, you sometimes get a chance to fly in one! I know he probably has a stupid amount of hard work and travel, but looking from the outside it seems like a dream job.
The Eagle is awesome - even the B model back in 1984 (when I got 3 rides before going to Pensacola).
Typhon Eurofighter will soon be getting a new radar with electronic scanning and a few other systems. It has already been ordered and is being manufactured. Maybe in 2-3 years we will see Typhon with completely new capabilities.
u mean the tranche 5. it will also feature a new cockpit, similar to the f35. elder typhoons will get into a massive upgrade phase i suppose, or will be transformed and more suited for CAS
@@movedon20000 No, the older tranches of Typhoon are completely unsuited to CAS (not to mention being expensive to keep them in operation when that role is going out of fashion anyway... It was very useful when we're fighting insurgents in the middle-east, but not practical against a near-peer enemy). They might be kept on to do air intercept (as they were originally designed) or relegated to training or parts.
The old obsession with CAS is being replaced with SEAD (hence F-35 which is almost purpose-built for that).
@@sergarlantyrell7847 well i know eurofighter pilots who say differently! so i trust them more than you sorry
@@movedon20000 what exactly did they say re Eurofight doing CAS?
@ english please
Can’t wait to see Justin Bronk fly back seat of a Gripen F for the first time and see his reaction to the *Next Generation* Gripen platform. Unfortunately they are still very restrictive when it comes to letting foreigners near the live cockpit and tech, and another detail is of course that it has yet to make its maiden flight. But both these things will change in due time. 🙂
It would also be interesting to hear his view of the upcoming german “Elektronischen Kampf” version of the Typhoon, bringing the Arexis EW suite of the Gripen E/F to the ”Eurofighter”. Seems like a great match… 🙂
Gripen is a nice jet....but its small. And you can only do so much with a small jet....
Gripen E just doesn't have the power, either engine thrust or electrical, to really threaten the larger 2 engine aircraft. It's radar after all is a much smaller version of Typhoon's in the PS-05 version on Gripen C, on Gripen E it has the ES-05. Which is the Leonardo Vixen 1000E radar, which is based on the CAPTOR,PS-05 architecture with AESA antenna. It's not going to come close to the Typhoon's ECRS Mk.0...let alone the mk.1 or the UK's Brightadder derived ECRS Mk.2. The power and technological differences between the radars is a huge gulf. To give you an idea the F-35's AN/APG-81 is around 60% larger than the ES-05....Typhoon's radar is larger still...the smaller radar space is also an issue with the Rafale, whose nose was shaped to provide better visibility on carrier landing approaches, but that means that the RBE.2 is a far, far smaller set than Typhoon's radar.
Gripen's small size causes issues across the board in other areas. It's lack of conformal carriage means that if it carries larger stores, like Meteor, they have to hang from pylons with significant drag penalties. Once you start handing weapons from it its range, operating altitude and speed drop dramatically. It also limits its weapons load. Once again available thrust comes into play....Gripen E is said to be able to supercruise, just (m1.1, unlike Gripen C which can't), but only by carrying a minimal A2A load of a couple of IRIS-T. Typhoon can supercruise at m1.5-1.6 with a full A2A loadout of 4 Meteor and 4 Asraam....and an external centreline tank.
Size matters I'm afraid...
Don't get me wrong its a good little plane....but the 'little' comes with penalties.
As for the Typhoon EK it will be a good capability...but its not going to be an EA-18G equivalent. It will be more capable than the F-16CJ for example, but the scaling back from the original 2 seater ECR version to single seat EK has reduced its capabilities significantly, which is a real pity...
Awesome mind and love the way he speaks which makes it easy for the non-military person to grasp the meaning.
Thanks Ward. Always good to get an update from Justin.
I took part in Red Flag way back in 1985. For part of the exercise we ( in U.K. Jaguar GR 1 s ) were escorted by US Marine corps F4,s. Even back then they had a helmet mounted aiming system and they were able to take out USAF F15s without leaving station! Their station was either side of our formation both at the front and the rear. As a result we suffered no air to air kills against us and also no ground to air kills despite us deliberately flying over the Sam sites. Only an exercise, I know, but it was nearly 40 years ago and we’re still talking about the introduction of helmet mounted cueing systems - what have you guys being doing for all these years?
South Africans and Russians have been hard at work ....
It cannot be the CF-18. My father was the SO Plans Officer for that program back in the late 70s. I recall looking at the glossy brochures that the various manufacturers provided for the program competition in our basement. I favoured the F-14, which could explain why I joined the RCN a few years later. Forty plus years later, I was exploring ways the maintenance data for the A and B models could be incorporated into the Commercial Maintenance Systems at the Boeing Company when I was the Chief Architect for Commercial Maintenance Data at Boeing. That airplane has served its time and it needs to be retired.
Raphael = a hot guy
Raphaelle = a hot female
Rafale = An aircraft that some claim is better looking than a Typhoon
Also the name of a fallen Angel in other words a devil in the Bible
Of course, Rafale us full french made.
Not a bad collaboration beetween 3,4,5 partner 😂
Im french, rafale is french donc forcément mon avis n'est pas biaisé 🎉
@@TUROCK320 AFAIK the only real issue the the Typhoon,
Is that with so many partner nations, the different systems can sometimes cause issues.
@@TUROCK320 Yes thats good because you can sell to who ever you want to ,if yu have 2,3.4 partners your not going to sell because at least one will have a beef with the country like India for example as they are friends with Russia
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Rafale almost ruined Dassault!
Justin is always fantastic! I could kisten to the two of you all day.
I like listening to Justin Bronk, he really knows his aircraft and everything that goes with them. Comparing all these aircraft is pretty complex as they all have flaws but if I was given the choice, I would go for the Typhoon as long as it had all the upgrades..... radar, fuel tanks, avionics, cockpit, helmet etc..... that are coming in soon.
Great episode. More like this please.
It’s phenomenal what the Swedish aircraft industry, and defense industry in general, has done by itself, out of NATO until only recently…absolutely phenomenal.
And for such a long time staying at the forefront, the Draken entered service in 1955, it was a great aircraft, arguably the best at the time. Still gave stellar service in the 1980ies here in Denmark 🇩🇰
We had 1000 of them back in the day 😊 3rd or 4th biggest fleet in the world.
Professor Bronk always has leading edge information and a wide angle view of Military capabilities that we are in desperate need of in this dangerous period
Justin is a brilliant aerial warfare expert who is always a pleasure to listen to, but I didn't know he has first-hand experience in these machines. The number of planes he has flown is also impressive.
In defence of the "Typhoon" it was originally designed as an air-superiority fighter, to replace the TORNADO F.3, F-4 PHANTOM II, F-104 STARFIGHTER and MIRAGE F.1.
Now it is a TORNADO IDS /ECR (forthcoming), which can dogfight like an F-15 or F-16. Although it maintained the deployablity of a TORNADO. Upgrades are underway.
tranche 5 will be a monster, in combination of rafales and FCAS even more
@@movedon20000 Especially because Germany will also be getting F-35´s, that will be feeding the Typhoon´s with targeting data.
A very good way of putting it, ty :)
The Typhoon is one of my favourite planes, but I still see that as short-sightedness on behalf of the designers and countries who produced the spec...
After all the cancellations of the previous 40-50 years, unless they had an already in-development and well-funded replacement for Tornado in the 90s, they should have anticipated the need for Typhoon to have to do both.
Also, the poor cockpit design seems to be a consistent theme with British aircraft sadly. I don't get why they don't study the erganomics of all the rest, and go with what works best.
@@movedon20000 If it gets updated engines, AMK (Aeordynamics Modification Kit) AESA radar....
Excellent content Mr. Carroll, really love your conversations with Prof. Bronk!!
The F/A-18E-F over the F-122 close in due to the HMS points directly to the lessons we learned fighting the FSU Mig-29's and how important an HMS is for that shot close in.
This is a bit of a confusing video. When comparing aircrafts, one should really identify the version of the aircrafts because there are huge differences between versions, and then discuss merits of various aircrafts in a given scenario because again there are many pros and cons for the different aircrafts that are critical in any given scenario. Note that being the "best" aircraft for a pilot when flying in a mission is not being the "best" aircraft in a more strategic sense (there are again critical factors such as availability, robustness, ergonomics, logistics required etc. that will affect greatly the actual usefulness of a plane in a war). That being said, if taking "the best" version available, the choice of the Typhoon for an air superiority mission is OK, when equipped with the AESA radar and a good mix of meteor and AMRAAM at high altitude, it is an excellent airplane, even though the stealth capacity of the F22 would still be a decisive advantage. For strike missions this is again a bit more complicated because it would really depend on the mission and type of hostile environment, but even in a shorter range mission, I would still put the Rafale ahead of the Gripen; The Gripen E is excellent, no doubt, but the Rafale is a twin engine plane, and in a two seater configuration, with the improved air to ground radar of the F4 version and ASSM hammer precision ammunitions, its ability to penetrate heavily protected enemy lanes and deliver safely precision loadout would be better than that of a Gripen. True, the current MICA is not as good as AMRAAM, but the Rafale can carry a much heavier load than the Gripen, meaning it can switch to an air defense role once its strike mission accomplished much more easily than a Gripen and carry meteor for that defense role if needed (and MICA NG are coming up very soon), and again the two seater configuration allows a much better 360° awareness in complex missions, even if the Gripen, as the Rafale, have excellent sensors all around. Again, F35A would probably come on top for a strike mission, this is what it was developed for, but it is less flexible than both Gripen and Rafale which are better multirole planes. F16 and F18, even in latest versions, will not be as good as Rafale and Gripen in their latest versions, they are much older design despite excellent upgrades, and as indicated, they are designed to be operated in US context with massive logistic support that only the US can provide. Rafale and Gripen are produced my medium nations than cannot afford such support, and thus are less demanding.
A bit of comparing apples with pears and plums, isn't it? Comparing a legacy Hornet or a Block50/52 F-16 with Typhoon and Rafale? Also which Typhoon are you talking about? Tranche 1/2/3? And as Strikefrighter I'd very much consider the F-35. Since Justin has no experience with that, I'd claim to say that the title is a tad bit misleading. ;)
How he studders while describing the thyphoon .. what a plane ..
I recently made a comment on the Taiwanese Gripens that were in Australia for Excercise Pitch Black. I said "Wow. Gripens. That's gonna give the RAAF a hard time." A couple of hours later, someone responded that the Gripen is a difficult jet to fly against.
Thailand? Best of my knowledge Taiwan's only modern fighter is the F-16.
@pneudmatic chances are I'm wrong. My memory is not what it used to be. But it's what a Super Hornet Pilot said to me anyway. Have a nice day huh?
@@pneudmatic Thai air force got Gripen, and seems they will be buying about a squadron of E/Fs, to replace their F-16 A/B fleet. Edit: Sorry misunderstood. Thai air force flyg Gripen and F-16, Tawain I think use F-16.
@@mike9347 They got both F-16 and Gripen. Edit: Sorry misunderstood. Thai air force flyg Gripen and F-16, Tawain I think use F-16.
@Alex-oc2vi all good mate. It's hard to keep track of the worlds airforces. Bit like keeping track of my girlfriend's.
Well, Typhoon Tranche 4 is on it´s way. Including new radar and a F-35 like cockpit with a single large display. If the plans work out, the first ones for the Luftwaffe should be phased in next year.
With an improved world leading Meteor under the wings.
I think some of those will be using Saabs Arexis EW sensor suite as well, I remember reading something about it. I think it was 15 aircraft, it would be the same system that is on the Gripen E/F aircraft.
20 years after entering service...
The Typhoon is late to the party in terms of acquiring capabilities which the Rafale and even the F-16 already have.
Having said that, perhaps the timing will prove fortuitous.
@@GonzoTehGreat With EW?
@@specc_s1452 I don't understand your question.
Always good to have Justin on the channel. I’ve also had the opportunity of hearing him speak in person several times. My observation on this video though is that the extent to which the intuition of various HOTAS set-ups impacts an aircraft’s capability is perhaps over-sold. If you’re a passenger, even a very well-informed one, switching between jets then yes. But for the pilots who are trained and experienced on one type alone, unless there’s a fundamental flaw in the HMI surely the differences are nil to negligible in practice?
Super Hornets getting first shots off at Raptors with the helmet mounted sight was sort of surprising. An interesting equalizer for a 4th gen jet vs. 5th gen.
Dogfight situation with 9X, propably weapons cold until merge. Not realy surprising, legacy Hornets with JHMCS would achieve this as well. I´ll never get how they could adopt the F-22 without JHMCS. I mean, that bird was developed and then build up from the smallest screw to be THE perfect air superiority fighter. And then they scratch the JHMCS for the matter of cost reducing. To save like 500.000 dollars on a jet that has a flyaway price of 161 million dollars 🤦♂
They'd known about this since the 90s - when, in that brief period post-German reunification, the Luftwaffe was still running MiG-29s, some Americans went up against them in dogfight training and the Americans were absolutely livid when they were, say, abeam of of a Mig and and the pilot called out "Shooting", because the Mig's crude - but effective - HMD allowed them to do that.
@@r4dio4ctiv3man9 I wonder if LockMart was saving the HMD as a USP for the JSF...
Great stuff, as always. A phenomenal amount of intellect is on display.
Hey hey, Justin again, so soon. Sweet. Nothing like the details. Thanks, Ward. Take care, keep safe.
Nice to learn about other fighter aircraft. Thanks Mooch. As always 👍
Dr. Bonk and Ward. What a duo. 👍😎
Rafale is the only one which can operate on a carrier, it can carry more than twice it's weight in weapons/fuel tanks and is also often used for air refueling which gives the best flexibility on the battlefield
The f18 is carrier capable.
The F35 also can. The issue isn't really with aircrafts themselves, but more with the fact that no European carrier outside of the Charles de Gaulle has a catapult. Which drastically reduce the number of aircraft a carrier can launch, and how much payload and fuel those it can are able to take-off with
Justin is back! Awesome!
Another great interview with Justin
Ty Ward
There it is!!!!!! Star Wars!! I can hear my wife rolling her eyes right now!!!! Great content Mooch. Hopefully there won't be a WWIII anytime soon! Oh! And great shirt!!!! "Enjoy my good friend. Enjoy!"
I want Justin's job!!! Excellent job as always, Commander!
If we are going to limit this to Gen 4.5 fighters then F-15EX is the one I’d want to go to war in. Beast level power and kinematics, long range and a huge load out of very potent weapons.
Very good radar too
@ yeah I meant to mention that. It’s the most powerful radar flying today with the biggest dish.
You hit the nail on the head! STRIKE FIGHTER is the issue, STRIKE! Must have awesome payload capability, capacity, range and defensive prowess to get there and back.
Memories memories I went from my old F5 to 15 and I adored 15 I would love to get my hands on the new Griffin the Rafael or the typhoon just give me a just because I'll pass on the Fat Amy because it's a flying turd at best but as far as the f-15ex as much as I love the F-15 and it's the bone structure is spectacular as we all know if I had to go to Warren one of them nowadays I'm sorry no the fa 15 would not be my top pick that's it it wouldn't be very far down the list either cuz just the the under reliability of it to be able to do what you want in 99% of the time it's just staggering now if you took the F-15 EX go back to the old one off prototype with the forward canards to give it a maneuverability and with updated avionics that could be one seriously impressive Beast
It is >40 years newer than some of the aircraft in that comparison though so I would expect it to be better.
Great video once again, Thanks!
Excellent Video as usual!
The thing about the Typhoon Mid life is that with 3 new radars and an EW variant it seems the NATO standardisation is being lost.
It's because the European majority of NATO members are realising how unreliable a partner the US is going to become, so we're switching back to domestic military hardware instead of conforming to US standards.
Interoperability is non-negotiable.
I love Justin man. I need to see if I can get my hands on one of his books.
Rather be with an AIM-120D than a Meteor???
Doubtful.
I think Justin was alluding to the Meteor being significantly fewer in current German/European inventory in comparison to AMRAAM-D in US inventory. Meteor is a very capable missile but can only do so much if you are limited to only carry 2 of them or less when you could be carrying 6 or more AMRAAM-D.
@@sillyslapper92 Luftwaffe Typhoons don't have Meteor yet... That's why he specified a "German Typhoon".
@@batteredwarrior Didn't know that, thanks. Hopefully Meteor will be adopted/rolled-out more in the near future
@@sillyslapper92 That and the American's purposefully holding back their F-35 Integration of meteor until they get their Aim-260 out the door for sales
@@batteredwarrior Are you saying Germany don't have the Meteor? I'm pretty sure they do, Wikipedia says they ordered back in 2013 and then in 2018, and just now they've ordered more as well.
Good work. Please keep it coming. Appreciate it.
All the DCS guys are nodding when you spoke about F16 air to ground vs classic hornet. Classic hornet pref air to ground and F16 best interface air to air.
Wow! Ward with the Descendants t-shirt!
Great show. Happy voting day Ward!
the typhoon is very scary esp. with the meteor missiles
No F35A comparison?
Single fighting display with adjunct displays for own aircraft info on the Rafael seems nifty.
Thank you Ward🇺🇸 & Justin Bronk......
Old Shoe🇺🇸
Going to CAS, no A10 I take the Rafale because better cannon and better radar and better active stealth and Hammer glidebomb and Scalp missiles. On my way back enemies in the sky I also take Rafale because better front camera and FLIR, better dogfight, Meteor Mica and Magic missiles. And because friendly carriers in the zone I also take Rafale because carrier compatible
You're judged sometimes by the company you keep. Mooch, you keep very good company. Such a pleasure to hear these systems broken down by their real versus wikipedia capabilities. Keep these sessions going please.
Thanks again guys. Justin has the best job.
48k ft, Mach 1.13, 4-5G, dry power, still supersonic after several turns, and climbing?!? That is stupid levels of performance. Makes you wonder what they’re cooking up with GCAP now.
Rolls Royce is in the GCAP house ready to make a Tempest...
Mica? Short range? I think we do not have the same definition of short range
It's pretty short-range compared to other missiles
I agree with you, but it is the shortest range missile on the European planes. It takes the role of the AIM9 for US planes (and their customers)
It's better than the Sidewinder, even in its latest version, but it is the "short range" weapon (other than the canons), and the mid range too BTW.
The AIM120 has to be compared with the METEOR, the actual "long range" armament. And we all know which one of those is the best...
That JCM 800 and the Bigsby Les Paul are really sick!!
The METEOR is better than the AIM120D.
Anyone who knows the real specifications and capabilities of either wouldnt tell us in a comment field
@@MrAnton275 who knows. I didn't tell you why is better.
@@MrAnton275 well, most of the informations on open sources make a pretty clear image of which one is the best, so, no need for the real exact capabilities to compare them. The differences seems obvious and the match is very much one-sided.
Meteor is a ramjet while AIM is a solid-fuel traditional rocket. Meteor's range is 125 miles, while AIM's range is 100 miles. Case closed.
Meteor can also throttle up and down and allegedly has a sprint capability when going pitbull.@@BusinessandFinance-ym5bk
Awesome! Thanks for the discussion.
Mad Respect for your channel and what you do, Mr. Carroll! New subscriber, but it looks like I will be enjoying your content for quite a while! lot of vids to catch up on. :)
Thanks, Ward.
Man I love the typhoon!
The 18 ex RAAF Hornets Canada acquired have more up to date displays than the current CF-18s and helmet mounted cueing amongst other things
Wait for Tranche5 of the Typhoon... Got almost the same Cockpit than the F-35
Can you please, you guys stopping calling the Rafale by pronouncing "Rafael". It is just "Rafal" 😂😂
So wise , Thank You . I Still want an Updated and Up graded F14 Tom Cat.
Seeing Mooch in a Descendents shirt just made my day.
11:13 "limited to MICA"
The MICA has a little bit shorter range but a higher PK than the AMRAAM. You can change the head to switch between fox 2 and fox 3. With the IR head, it has a way better range than the AIM-9.
With the MICA, you are not "limited"
How does Justin get access to all of these jets?
Jason always wanted to become a fighter pilot but due to some physical entry limitations that wasn’t to be yet his eventual alternative pathways has led to to experience and achieve much more than if he had been admitted to pilot training. The sky is indeed the limit.
some really good insights into capabilities of nato mordern aircraft thankyou to the both of you👍
Please ask Justin to improve his audio. Although I have hearing loss, your audio (Ward) is great.
Between Justin’s voice tone, accent and room echo, I find him difficult to understand.
Justin is great and the interview was top-notch.
Ward is awesome. Times are changing. A pick that seems at first illogical but tic's all the right boxes: The B-21 Raider. Yep that's right. Check out Alex Hollingsworth analysis.
Isn´t it great that we now have the Gripen included when there is a discussion about NATO multi-role fighter jets?
Let's go for that 3Peat Justin 🏆
Could happen.
Problem is that the Eurofighter was built by Britain and Germany (mainly) neither of spends money on upgrading its aircraft until it absolutely has to.
Trance 4 joins the chat..
Wait, Descendents shirt? Ward is way more down than I thought. That's what's up!
You had doubts?
Saw that.
Are you ready?
Cheers
The F-16 is a point defense day VFR fighter. My Eagle driving cousin called it the security police augmentation force.
European Typhoon (Not only German, but also Brit, Italian and Spanish. Spain has just ordered another 25 planes (Tranche 4) to substitute part of our Hornets), may also use US missiles, such as AMRAAM.
Justin, If you're getting f 16 seat time in Tucson i would love to buy you a meal! Nice mirrors on the wall😁
Bronk! Ty ward!
Love the Descendents shirt!
That CF-18 Hotas is McDonnal Douglas, why it was so good haha
Way back when my dad was air Attache to Singapore, Ike came to town. Does anyone remember a MLO RIO call sign Driller? John Bellamy?
Ward and Justin are very good dudes. Long may their big jibs fly.
His point about the Swedes stripping out extraneous information is super important.
I can't wait to hear you and Bonk's thoughts on the greenlight USA has given to use long range missiles! Also I'd love to hear your thoughts of the possible Pete Hegseth running DOD.