To me, if prosecutorial misconduct causes someone to spend 10 years inside then that's what you should face as a punishment. That would make prosecutors think twice about this sort of thing.
I agree in principle, but their sentence should be more - like 1.5x more. Same should go for LEOs and people that make false claims to police. We should stop d!cking-around with people that abuse our justice system. Our justice system is SUPPOSED to be one of the core foundations to our society. There should be STRICT punishments for those that abuse it.
@@chrisbudesa ...but that won't happen unless some NGO (with a lot of resources) takes up the cause. I've known of a few times that systematic errors were discovered, and courts refused to conduct a review of other cases that had been subject to the same errors. (Errors such as a city enforcing its own traffic laws outside of its city limits, where they don't apply, a city recalibrating its Breathalyzer until it would get the results it wanted.)
If the punishment for something is simply not being allowed to do it again, then the act is t illegal. She should be in prison. Apparently the punishment for framing someone for murder is losing your job. What a joke.
The purpose of prison is to protect the public from the imprisoned while punishing them in the hopes of preventing repeated crimes. Disbarment accomplishes both of those things in an arguably more definitive way. Not only will she be prevented from committing those crimes again, she will also lose her ability to pay her bills, lose her reputation, and invalidate all of the years of her life spent working in the legal system. I'd say that this is more punishment than most criminals tend to receive.
@@joyzenger6016 It is a waste of resources. Disbarment is permanent. Prison typically isn't. Plus, she is a state prosecutor. The state would be legally obligated to protect her in the prison system from the other prisoners, some of whom she is responsible for imprisoning. This means even more wasted resources and what would likely be a far more comfy prison experience than her victims.
Yeah, don't send her to prison, just make her have to pay the victim. I think most criminal cases should have a sentence of paying the victim. If someone is FINED as part of ther sentence, that money goes to the STATE, which makes no sense.
Taking away their law license is not enough, they should be brought up on criminal charges and spend some time in jail like the people she cheated to put them their.
the BAR is a paper tiger to PREVENT you from making criminal laws to protect the people notice prosecutors go to court to get permission to take your rights, they aren't their to stop them if you know they are violating the law you have to wait until you are found not guilty then they get immunity
Agreed. She cheated to win, and the price for those wins, was people's lives to be wasted and/or ruined. With all the stigma place on anyone who has been to prison, or even convicted of a crime, can ruin people's futures.
Losing her ability to practice law isn’t a punishment. That’s an internal disciplinary action. She needs to be prosecuted and if found guilty she needs to be incarcerated.
Citizens are expected to know the law, ignorance is not an excuse. But LEOs and prosecutors who are supposed to enforce the law aren't expected to and get immunity for it.
How many prosecutors have held back exculpatory evidence and knowingly sent innocent people to prison or even death so they could keep their conviction percentage high?
This. Should be automatic bar suspension pending mandatory bar review - and criminal prosecution if it resulted in loss of liberty or property for a defendant. As Steve points out, too many lawyers play this like some sort of game. I'm sure big law firms are happy to put performance metrics on their law teams but that's flat-out rewarding the wrong behavior.
I just don't understand how a person can look themselves in the mirror that does this. If I knew an innocent person was given the death penalty because of my actions, even if I honestly thought the person was guilty but was wrong, I could not live with myself.
Imagine that.....a *prosecutor* violating their oath and code of ethics/professional conduct, thereby breaking the law..... a "body-count" is all that most of them care about, by using selective prosecution and any other means necessary to obtain a conviction.
That's because their careers depends on their win-loss record, and that is by the citizen's own doing. A district attorney is an elected position, and the people vote according to win-loss records.
I wonder if the judge would consider disbarment too harsh if he or one of his family had spent 10 years in prison? On a related note, this prosecutor racked up 80+ murder convictions, all of which now have their credibility in question since if she lied to get one of them, it's plausible she lied on the other 79+.
I went to prison for something I didn’t do. I was released in the middle of my sentence after the next prosecutor was installed. Thank you for bringing this up Steve.
Sorry that happened to you. 161 people exonerated last year about 75 of them charged with murder. Mostly due to prosicutal misconduct, but they have prosicutal immunity... No accountability! SMH
A lot of people are innocent but if you can’t afford bail or a private lawyer you are screwed. They know that. In the federal system plea deals happen in 97% of cases because of you don’t plead then prosecutors will hit you with a “trial penalty “. The average plea deal was around 3.8 years and those who went to trial averaged around 19 years. All drug charges, because the judge is just a spectator and it’s the prosecutors who decide the sentence. Also, out of 900 federal court districts 5 of them accounted for 25% of LWOP in drug cases. 3 in Florida, 1 in Virginia and 1 in South Carolina. The SC district even brags they have no public defender office. They “choose” a random attorney (doesn’t even have to be a criminal lawyer , one got an old estate lawyer) and give them a flat fee, always way below minimum wage. We don’t have a justice system, it’s a legal system to punish.
Said it before, saying it again... When the state officials, and this includes the prosecutor, intentionally and fraudulently stack the government's deck against you like this it should result in that person doing the jail time the accused potentially faced. Not the softened sentence, if they fraudulently worked for a death penalty conviction, death. If it was 10 years max potential, 10 years. Not talking about mistakes, not talking about misunderstandings, this is specifically about when they falsify evidence, knowingly lie, or intentionally work the system (like the guy clerking for the judge while also working as a prosecutor in a case with that judge), they should win the full weight of the penalties their victims potentially faced. Goes without saying they should lose their law license and the ability to ever hold a government job again.
That prosecutor's title of "Most Skilled, Successful, and Expert trial attorney in the state" is like saying "I'm the most Skilled, Successful, and Expert racecar driver in the state" after you flatten the tires of your competitors right before the race starts.
Excellent analogy....i a sure when you report them they get their friends involved ... Start bribing people... Assist with setting up cameras with family members and spread rumors out to make you look crazy... If that doesn't work..they file false police reports ..paid people to have conflicts with you in public and make you out to be the worst mother person or neighbor in the world. And people that don't know you hop on board hating you without getting your side of the story!!!!
@@PromptCriticalJello funny you said that because I was thinking the same thing this just scratches the surface she got caught or she's the one to get punished like this. Many prosecutors have done things very unethical to get cases done I'm sure it's been going on a long time
In Kansas. Does this mean she can in any other state? And why isn't she being criminal charged. She destroyed someone's life and took his freedom locked up in a PRISON for over 10 years. She needs to rot in prison. She needs to lose everything.
@@Dan_Neely She could also already be licensed in multiple states. Shawnee is right on the Missouri-Kansas border so it wouldn't be a surprise to find that she holds a license for Missouri as well. Then again, she has held a kansas govt job for a number of years so maybe not.
@@DavidSprings Ok lol! I got one right! But I have completely lost the proper way to speak and write. I worked inside prison for almost 30 and picked up very bad speaking habits. My fault. Just picked up improper language for a long long time. But I did know lose! 😊
A mistake is when you answer ‘A’ on a test when you meant to answer ‘B’. Stop diminishing the magnitude of her actions by trying to claim it’s merely a mistake.
The disbarred former lead prosecutor had to work with subordinate prosecutors. The subordinate prosecutors would be under obligation to report any misconduct they encountered. Should these subordinates also be investigated for failure to report this misconduct?
I was in a jury pool and given the choice jury number 1. I did not recall the defendant when I walked into the court room. Once they selected the first 15 jury members they explained exactly what the case was about. They asked has anybody heard about the case, I raised my hand and mentioned I worked down the street from the event. I had even talked about the incident at work with my employees. The Assistant county prosecutor actually tried to ask me what I talked about. I looked at the judge and was like WTF you want me to taint the entire jury pool. I just kept quite but yeah that was so bad of a question to a prospective jurist.
Just looked up the asst prosecutor and it appears he left the county later that year for some rather shaking of my head moment. I dont want to go further into it but yeah he is still practicing law but is on the defense side now. Good riddance. Frankly I rather see him disbarred.
@@mdhofstee not making any excuses for him but it does make me think he might have a conscience. Maybe that's how he was trained by the prosecutor at first then could've had a realization moment and is using the BAD training for good now defending possibly innocent people?
@@jeremiahcase4655 Well I just do not like that prosecutor as he does not know how to handle a case properly. In fact the same case I was in the jury pool had an appeal taken up over what he said in the closing arguments that mind you was legal for the defendant to do. I do not think he was going to last much longer if that event did not occur to expel him from the office.
@@EightiesTV I know that the jurist does not match what it was called but I looked it up since you don't want to look up the info yourself and tell everybody instead be a troll. For those wondering you are called a juror of a jury. Can we agree there is two many words that start with 'j' in courts. Judge, jurist, jury, juror, etc.
DA running for office: I will be tough on crime. Same DA: I will also hide evidence and get innocent people thrown in prison. Same DA now a judge: I will sign off on blank check warrants for the police.
These disgraceful prosecutors exist in every city and town throughout the United States. This one was just one of the scant few who happened to get caught AND one of the even rarer to have been seriously disciplined.
@@kenmelrac Are you talking about the Kansas prosecutor?! If so, it’s highly unlikely that either of your suppositions had any bearing whatsoever with regard to the Chandler double murder case. The now disbarred and disgraced Kansas prosecutor was white. The 2 victims and the defendant were white, and while I’m not 100% certain because it’s been a very long time since I even thought of this case, I think that all four (prosecutor, defendant, 2 victims) were Republicans.
its time to "criminally charge" prosecutors when misconduct can be proven their playing around with people's lives . and some judge view prosecutors as part of their team and will bend over backwards to make excuses for them just like the dissenting judge in this case .
Both qualified and absolute immunity need to be completely eliminated. Public servants should live in at least a mild fear of the people they serve. With great power comes great responsibility, and accordingly there must be real and significant accountability.
A rule of law system has to hold government officials accountable. We actually live in a police state, and our government gots everyone believing we don't. We got cops, prosecutors and judges wiping thier butts with the constitution all while claiming immunity. SMH. A vulgar insult to all who fought (and thier families) to get us those freedoms.
@@rolandvachon9848 - I recall in the mid 2000s, there was a process server who appearently filed false affs of serve. Never made the serves, in fact never made attempts. Somehow he was found out and every case he served for two years had to be reviewed. I personally never heard of him, just the story as it caused tsunamis of chaos.
One of many reasons why they themselves should be in prison regardless of how many people they've screwed over. The American "justice" system is such a joke...
The Rittenhouse trial prosecutor should be disbarred and publicly disgraced. He had the audacity to say Rittenhouse's 5th amendment plea suggested he was guilty. Even the judge berated the prosecutor on the spot for it.
@@7F0X7 right because you think a pee pants kid killing someone out of fear is ok. If he stayed home, they would have both been better off. He did nothing to help anything.
This should happen far more often. The culture in prosecutor's offices are such that many, many prosecutors regularly break both professional ethics rules and the law.
@@pansepot1490 I think that is very true. Doesn't mean every prosecutor is a psychopath. But the culture of the job means that psychopaths can thrive. It isn't about justice, it is about winning at any cost, even if they are wrong and even if they have to violate someone's rights to do it.
Rick, a retired LA cop* said he often believed the guy on trial more than the 🤥 DA because he was the one who arrested him. *Good Luck America, AKA "Think like a Cop" on alt tech ✌️
A lawyer losing their ability to practice law is seen as extreme punishment for illegally imprisoning the improperly tried. The hypocrisy is deafening.
Creating evidence or intentionally misinterpreting it, like in the case of the serial killer who actually said "they think I killed those people" into "i killed those people" presented at trial by prosecutor near you iirc. IS A CONSTITUTIONAL CRIME
Sounds like her argument is the NASCAR mantra, "it's only cheating if you get caught", since during the trial she did not get caught (only on appeal), she didn't cheat
@@benrossbach6501, All I'm saying is her argument is the other guy didn't catch it (It's only cheating if you get caught), so it wasn't cheating. Was it wrong yes, I'm just looking at her argument defending herself, without anything else clouding it. I do agree with the decision and her disbarment, when you factor in innocent lives into the equation and hope the decision stands. I just hope she invested that ill gotten money, plenty of Malpractice cases are probably coming her way, not to mention a possible criminal fraud case, because this isn't over with her disbarment
I call BS on the "mistakes" but EVEN IF TRUE she is too incompetent and her "errors" destroy lives. Imagine a nurse who makes a med "error" that kills a patient, and they do; she should continue to practice and continue to make these "errors" as they're not intentional? No, disbarred her. As nurse would have her license revoked.
For Drs and nurses it depends on the mistake. Everyone makes mistakes, medical mistakes just have high consequences. Simple oversight usually results in a change to SOPs and no punishment for the nurse. Negligent or malicious errors result in licenses pulled or charges.
@@diveforknowledge tell that to Rhodonda Vaught. You see, I AM a nurse. I'm not just a keyboard warrior disagreeing for the sake of doing so. I know a doctor right now who also "made a mistake" and damn near killed a woman. Do you think that hospital allowed him to practice there again? This woman didn't make A mistake; she made MANY "mistakes" so even if she's not a fkn liar, which I think she is, she definitely incompetent and should NOT be put in a position where ONE OF US are forced to pay for HER mistakes WITH OUR LIVES. You should take your moniker more seriously. And no, it doesn't matter the error. If the board finds out, you WILL lose your license. Whether permanent or not is what varies. The hospitals have a self interest in COVERING UP MISTAKES. If you actually knew how many nurses who made mistakes were still practicing, you'd fear healthcare. I've worked with at least TWO nurses and ONE doctor who have blood on their hands so stick to you profession or qualify to get into nursing BEFORE telling nurses witj decades of experience what's what in nursing.
@@groofromtheup5719 There's another one facing CRIMINAL CHARGES for a man killed by prison guards SHE DIDN'T EVEN TOUCH! Yet you have total non nurses telling nurses what happens to us everyday in our employment. Something is wrong with some ppl.🤦🏿♀️
It would be very interesting to know exactly what she did. There’s no indication that the people whose convictions were overturned were actually innocent. Of the two cases cited by Steve, one of them took a plea deal and the other is apparently going to get a new trial. Not that that should matter in the disbarment, but it’s something to remember when discussing this. People are commenting as if she railroaded innocent victims. That’s not necessarily true. I’m not defending her in any way - what she did is despicable and the defendants are innocent until proven guilty in a FAIR trial. Hopefully her actions have not resulted in any innocent people being jailed in any of the trials she participated in. Her disbarment is well deserved and I hope it is permanent.
"Get a new trial" would seem to be double jeopardy to me, but IANAL. How many jury trials can you have with the same evidence and same witnesses about the same crime? The State had their chance, IMO.
Innocent people regularly plead guilty because of a combination of financial cost of defense and threat of severe punishment. Imagine you make 45k/year and looking at the threat of 20-life and $100k+ lawyer fees then the prosecutor offers 3 years for a guilty plea. If you fight the charges it'll take at least a year, you won't be able to work during that time, and even if you win you're out of a job, homeless, and owe 100k. A lot of people take the plea because it seems like the safer option. (And yes, you can get a public defender for free, but your chances of them having the time to take your case seriously are very low.)
@@diveforknowledge 99% accurate. It says the Court will appoint you a lawyer. I got charged for my public defender who railroaded me, and am not able for retrial even though ACLU sued whole state for their public defender system being whack. Everything else spot on! Also like to add I believe Steve did do a video on the Alfred plea which gives your statement a lot of merrit
Done gone bye bye. No place for misconduct in the prosecutor’s office in any country. It’s about Justice and not her career. It’s the State Bar ….. is she coming to your state?
if the retrial finds him not guilty he should have grounds to get reparations for that 10 years IMO cause that is a lot of time he will never get back.
I can't imagine anyone being ok with anything less in a case like this. To deny the most basic constitutional right afforded to us in the court system is completely disregarded is sickening.
To me, when the Supreme Court used "Intentionally Lied" means they could have also thrown on "Perjury" Charges, but the Supreme Court thought the Disbarment was already stringent enough. I do believe that if a Prosecutor/District Attorney sends a person to Prison for Prosecutorial misconduct, Disbarment is not enough and that Prosecutor needs to face some sort of Criminal Charges themselves as well as being able to be Civilly Sued (No Prosecutorial Immunity).
@@karlrovey Yes, but they could have made that 'Recommendation' to the AG...especially when it's pointed out in the Article that the Prosecutor Lied to the Investigators doing the Legal Background into the Case brought before the Supreme Court Disciplinary Hearing.
"Ethical lapses" in the law industry are far more common than its regulatory bodies admit. At least *one* corrupt prosecutor was held accountable for their behavior by this action. Yay! Thanks for posting!
At what point does "prosecutorial misconduct" turn into something that actually carries a punishment? Does perjury not apply to what lawyers say in court?
Not unless said attorney is a witness in a case. For perjury, a statement must be made under oath. Attorneys representing clients don't take an oath to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth as part of such representation. That said, they are required to conduct themselves within the ethical rules under which they practice. Some attorneys forget the rules.
I agree that too many attorneys are focused on winning rather than seeing that justice is served. This includes defense attorneys that have to know that their clients are guilty but don't ask the client because they don't care if they help a guilty person go unpunished as long as they win.
Well to be fair a lawyers job is to give the best defense and the actual Justice is rarely given in our judicial system. Sending someone to prison is an act more heinous than rape; most people lose their jobs, house and cars then have every part of their body examined in a room full of people and to top it off there is still a fair chance that you'll get raped and/or battered. I think most PPL would chose 15 minutes of torture than all of that.
The defendant's lawyer has an obligation to vigorously defend the client, and if this results in a guilty defendant going free, that is the price of having a system where the state is required to PROVE their case, and not just declare guilt because the cops or someone else alleged it. If a guilty defendant goes free because of having a good lawyer, then the case against them sucked royally and the state should have put all the ducks in order before bringing charges. (E.g. the OJ Simpson trial.)
ANY prosecutor or cop that deliberately lies in a court, knowing that the accused is innocent, should face the same amount penalty as the accused would have faced.
Hiding exculpatory evidence which is rampant and calling it an honest mistake to win a case isn't just unethical, it a travesty of the the law and the prosecutor should be barred for life.
Only lawyers think disbarment is a real punishment! She may be rich enough that not practicing would matter! All her cases need to be overturned. And jail time!
This prosecutor sends god knows how many innocent people to prison and the worst punishment is losing her job?! That would be like me stealing a million dollars from the bank I work at and my only punishment is being fired and not allowed to work at banks anymore.
Professional national associations, like the ABA, Medical, Nursing, etc seem to have become less focused on furthering their profession and more focused on their personal incomes.
So my question is is she going to be forced to do the time that she sentenced others to for her lying? How many innocent people did she knowingly get locked up by her wicked actions? She is just one of thousands of prosecutors that do this every day.
To me, if prosecutorial misconduct causes someone to spend 10 years inside then that's what you should face as a punishment. That would make prosecutors think twice about this sort of thing.
Agreed, except more. Same with knowingly accusing someone of something they didn't do. Should do what would have been their sentence plus some.
I agree in principle, but their sentence should be more - like 1.5x more. Same should go for LEOs and people that make false claims to police. We should stop d!cking-around with people that abuse our justice system. Our justice system is SUPPOSED to be one of the core foundations to our society. There should be STRICT punishments for those that abuse it.
Or become the VP of the USA.
@@Angelum_Band - Bingo!
I'm not a theonomist, but I think Deuteronomy 19:16-20 might be good advice.
In those years she was prosecutor I wonder how many innocent people she lied into prison?
Every case she worked on should be examined.
@@chrisbudesa ...but that won't happen unless some NGO (with a lot of resources) takes up the cause. I've known of a few times that systematic errors were discovered, and courts refused to conduct a review of other cases that had been subject to the same errors. (Errors such as a city enforcing its own traffic laws outside of its city limits, where they don't apply, a city recalibrating its Breathalyzer until it would get the results it wanted.)
If the punishment for something is simply not being allowed to do it again, then the act is t illegal. She should be in prison. Apparently the punishment for framing someone for murder is losing your job. What a joke.
The purpose of prison is to protect the public from the imprisoned while punishing them in the hopes of preventing repeated crimes. Disbarment accomplishes both of those things in an arguably more definitive way. Not only will she be prevented from committing those crimes again, she will also lose her ability to pay her bills, lose her reputation, and invalidate all of the years of her life spent working in the legal system. I'd say that this is more punishment than most criminals tend to receive.
@@man0warable so what did the person convicted unlawfully lose? She deserves to lose same years in prison herself
It should be accessory after the fact
@@joyzenger6016 It is a waste of resources. Disbarment is permanent. Prison typically isn't. Plus, she is a state prosecutor. The state would be legally obligated to protect her in the prison system from the other prisoners, some of whom she is responsible for imprisoning. This means even more wasted resources and what would likely be a far more comfy prison experience than her victims.
Yeah, don't send her to prison, just make her have to pay the victim. I think most criminal cases should have a sentence of paying the victim. If someone is FINED as part of ther sentence, that money goes to the STATE, which makes no sense.
Taking away their law license is not enough, they should be brought up on criminal charges and spend some time in jail like the people she cheated to put them their.
Serve the same sentence as the person that is convicted
100% agreed!
the BAR is a paper tiger to PREVENT you from making criminal laws to protect the people
notice prosecutors go to court to get permission to take your rights, they aren't their to stop them if you know they are violating the law
you have to wait until you are found not guilty then they get immunity
@@niyablake .
And fined the amount of money the person would have earned while in prison.
Agreed. She cheated to win, and the price for those wins, was people's lives to be wasted and/or ruined. With all the stigma place on anyone who has been to prison, or even convicted of a crime, can ruin people's futures.
Losing her ability to practice law isn’t a punishment. That’s an internal disciplinary action.
She needs to be prosecuted and if found guilty she needs to be incarcerated.
She needs to go to jail
"I shouldn't be punished because I didn't mean to break the law"
I wonder how she felt about defendants using that type of argument
Citizens are expected to know the law, ignorance is not an excuse. But LEOs and prosecutors who are supposed to enforce the law aren't expected to and get immunity for it.
Actually, for many criminal and civil statutes, intention is an element of guilt or liability. Hence the concept of mens rea.
How many prosecutors have held back exculpatory evidence and knowingly sent innocent people to prison or even death so they could keep their conviction percentage high?
This. Should be automatic bar suspension pending mandatory bar review - and criminal prosecution if it resulted in loss of liberty or property for a defendant. As Steve points out, too many lawyers play this like some sort of game. I'm sure big law firms are happy to put performance metrics on their law teams but that's flat-out rewarding the wrong behavior.
Our current V.P. is one
I just don't understand how a person can look themselves in the mirror that does this. If I knew an innocent person was given the death penalty because of my actions, even if I honestly thought the person was guilty but was wrong, I could not live with myself.
Even one is too many!!!
All about that batting average.
Imagine that.....a *prosecutor* violating their oath and code of ethics/professional conduct, thereby breaking the law..... a "body-count" is all that most of them care about, by using selective prosecution and any other means necessary to obtain a conviction.
That's because their careers depends on their win-loss record, and that is by the citizen's own doing. A district attorney is an elected position, and the people vote according to win-loss records.
I wonder if the judge would consider disbarment too harsh if he or one of his family had spent 10 years in prison? On a related note, this prosecutor racked up 80+ murder convictions, all of which now have their credibility in question since if she lied to get one of them, it's plausible she lied on the other 79+.
I was thinking the same thing. I see a lot of expungements and appeals happening in relation to this.
Judges kids don't go to prison!
I had the same question about previous cases and would also wager that the judge that thought disbarment was too harsh has a closet full of skeletons.
I went to prison for something I didn’t do. I was released in the middle of my sentence after the next prosecutor was installed. Thank you for bringing this up Steve.
Sorry that happened to you. 161 people exonerated last year about 75 of them charged with murder. Mostly due to prosicutal misconduct, but they have prosicutal immunity... No accountability! SMH
Hope you collected billions.
A lot of people are innocent but if you can’t afford bail or a private lawyer you are screwed. They know that. In the federal system plea deals happen in 97% of cases because of you don’t plead then prosecutors will hit you with a “trial penalty “. The average plea deal was around 3.8 years and those who went to trial averaged around 19 years. All drug charges, because the judge is just a spectator and it’s the prosecutors who decide the sentence. Also, out of 900 federal court districts 5 of them accounted for 25% of LWOP in drug cases. 3 in Florida, 1 in Virginia and 1 in South Carolina. The SC district even brags they have no public defender office. They “choose” a random attorney (doesn’t even have to be a criminal lawyer , one got an old estate lawyer) and give them a flat fee, always way below minimum wage.
We don’t have a justice system, it’s a legal system to punish.
I have also been wrongfully convicted of a crime I did not commit.
Nobody cares and I can't afford an attorney's help.
@@ianbattles7290 everyone is equal under the law. If you have plenty of money then you get plenty of "justice". Otherwise umm yeah equal.
Said it before, saying it again... When the state officials, and this includes the prosecutor, intentionally and fraudulently stack the government's deck against you like this it should result in that person doing the jail time the accused potentially faced. Not the softened sentence, if they fraudulently worked for a death penalty conviction, death. If it was 10 years max potential, 10 years. Not talking about mistakes, not talking about misunderstandings, this is specifically about when they falsify evidence, knowingly lie, or intentionally work the system (like the guy clerking for the judge while also working as a prosecutor in a case with that judge), they should win the full weight of the penalties their victims potentially faced. Goes without saying they should lose their law license and the ability to ever hold a government job again.
That prosecutor's title of "Most Skilled, Successful, and Expert trial attorney in the state" is like saying "I'm the most Skilled, Successful, and Expert racecar driver in the state" after you flatten the tires of your competitors right before the race starts.
Excellent analogy....i a sure when you report them they get their friends involved ... Start bribing people... Assist with setting up cameras with family members and spread rumors out to make you look crazy...
If that doesn't work..they file false police reports ..paid people to have conflicts with you in public and make you out to be the worst mother person or neighbor in the world.
And people that don't know you hop on board hating you without getting your side of the story!!!!
I'm more concerned about all the other attorneys in the state.
Haaaa right I love it
@@PromptCriticalJello funny you said that because I was thinking the same thing this just scratches the surface she got caught or she's the one to get punished like this. Many prosecutors have done things very unethical to get cases done I'm sure it's been going on a long time
In Kansas. Does this mean she can in any other state?
And why isn't she being criminal charged. She destroyed someone's life and took his freedom locked up in a PRISON for over 10 years.
She needs to rot in prison. She needs to lose everything.
In theory she could apply to other state bars; but with this on her record there's zero chance of her being admitted.
That might be part of why they got the advise of the other attorney organization
@@Dan_Neely She could also already be licensed in multiple states. Shawnee is right on the Missouri-Kansas border so it wouldn't be a surprise to find that she holds a license for Missouri as well.
Then again, she has held a kansas govt job for a number of years so maybe not.
I just want to personally thank you for using the proper "lose" instead of the internet's seemingly preferred "loose" when writing your response.
@@DavidSprings Ok lol! I got one right! But I have completely lost the proper way to speak and write. I worked inside prison for almost 30 and picked up very bad speaking habits.
My fault. Just picked up improper language for a long long time.
But I did know lose! 😊
A mistake is when you answer ‘A’ on a test when you meant to answer ‘B’. Stop diminishing the magnitude of her actions by trying to claim it’s merely a mistake.
The disbarred former lead prosecutor had to work with subordinate prosecutors.
The subordinate prosecutors would be under obligation to report any misconduct
they encountered. Should these subordinates also be investigated for failure to
report this misconduct?
I would hope so … IF they knew about it..
Yes
I was in a jury pool and given the choice jury number 1. I did not recall the defendant when I walked into the court room. Once they selected the first 15 jury members they explained exactly what the case was about. They asked has anybody heard about the case, I raised my hand and mentioned I worked down the street from the event. I had even talked about the incident at work with my employees. The Assistant county prosecutor actually tried to ask me what I talked about. I looked at the judge and was like WTF you want me to taint the entire jury pool. I just kept quite but yeah that was so bad of a question to a prospective jurist.
Just looked up the asst prosecutor and it appears he left the county later that year for some rather shaking of my head moment. I dont want to go further into it but yeah he is still practicing law but is on the defense side now. Good riddance. Frankly I rather see him disbarred.
@@mdhofstee not making any excuses for him but it does make me think he might have a conscience. Maybe that's how he was trained by the prosecutor at first then could've had a realization moment and is using the BAD training for good now defending possibly innocent people?
@@jeremiahcase4655 Well I just do not like that prosecutor as he does not know how to handle a case properly. In fact the same case I was in the jury pool had an appeal taken up over what he said in the closing arguments that mind you was legal for the defendant to do. I do not think he was going to last much longer if that event did not occur to expel him from the office.
You might look up what a "jurist" is because you weren't a potential one...
@@EightiesTV I know that the jurist does not match what it was called but I looked it up since you don't want to look up the info yourself and tell everybody instead be a troll. For those wondering you are called a juror of a jury. Can we agree there is two many words that start with 'j' in courts. Judge, jurist, jury, juror, etc.
DA running for office: I will be tough on crime.
Same DA: I will also hide evidence and get innocent people thrown in prison.
Same DA now a judge: I will sign off on blank check warrants for the police.
Sounds like the vice president...
@@wesss9353 it does sound like Kamala Harris.
Sounds like the conduct of the St. Louis DA, but she was given a pass by the Missouri Supreme Court... Such a disgusting travesty of justice...
Thinking result was partly based on race of prosecutor and political party of the victim.
These disgraceful prosecutors exist in every city and town throughout the United States. This one was just one of the scant few who happened to get caught AND one of the even rarer to have been seriously disciplined.
@@kenmelrac Are you talking about the Kansas prosecutor?! If so, it’s highly unlikely that either of your suppositions had any bearing whatsoever with regard to the Chandler double murder case.
The now disbarred and disgraced Kansas prosecutor was white. The 2 victims and the defendant were white, and while I’m not 100% certain because it’s been a very long time since I even thought of this case, I think that all four (prosecutor, defendant, 2 victims) were Republicans.
@@Cheryl_in_TX How would you know their political affiliations?
@@mwduck For one thing, I can read. For another, I know how to use a computer to do basic research.
its time to "criminally charge" prosecutors when misconduct can be proven their playing around with people's lives . and some judge view prosecutors as part of their team and will bend over backwards to make excuses for them just like the dissenting judge in this case .
Parole boards, too. Missouri parole board got caught literally playing games with inmates a few years ago.
Both qualified and absolute immunity need to be completely eliminated. Public servants should live in at least a mild fear of the people they serve. With great power comes great responsibility, and accordingly there must be real and significant accountability.
@@matthewstrauss6402 Between Hawley and Schmidt as the last two AGs, what do you expect?
@@matthewstrauss6402 Idaho also but in 2012.
A rule of law system has to hold government officials accountable. We actually live in a police state, and our government gots everyone believing we don't. We got cops, prosecutors and judges wiping thier butts with the constitution all while claiming immunity. SMH. A vulgar insult to all who fought (and thier families) to get us those freedoms.
How much is ten years of ones life lost due to these "mistakes" worth?
You can't get justice for that especially if they missed their children's child hood.
That will be up to Shawnee County -- or possibly a jury if not settled -- when these folks seek compensation for their wrongful conviction.
Imagine how much this actually happens nationwide. Despicable really.
It is sickening that this punishment doesn't have a prison sentence.
Hopefully Thomas Binger and James Kraus will be next for their misconduct in the Kyle Rittenhouse Trial.
When I read the title of this video before I clicked, Thomas Binger was immediately who popped into my head...I had my hopes up.
Not likely to ever happen. Binger was on the "right side."
It would be interesting to see how this affects all the other cases she handled.
I imagine there will a line-up of defense lawyers bringing motions to review a whole slew of trials that she was involved in.
@@rolandvachon9848 - I recall in the mid 2000s, there was a process server who appearently filed false affs of serve. Never made the serves, in fact never made attempts. Somehow he was found out and every case he served for two years had to be reviewed. I personally never heard of him, just the story as it caused tsunamis of chaos.
If the wrong man is convicted the actual perpetrator is free to commit more similar crimes.
One of many reasons why they themselves should be in prison regardless of how many people they've screwed over. The American "justice" system is such a joke...
And my friends and relatives don't agree with me objecting to capital punishment.
The Rittenhouse trial prosecutor should be disbarred and publicly disgraced. He had the audacity to say Rittenhouse's 5th amendment plea suggested he was guilty. Even the judge berated the prosecutor on the spot for it.
I agree with you. Despite that fact that the kid is a moron who got involved in something he couldn't handle and ended up killing someone.
@@rticle15 I'd say he "handled" it just fine ;)
@@7F0X7 right because you think a pee pants kid killing someone out of fear is ok. If he stayed home, they would have both been better off. He did nothing to help anything.
@@rticle15 You're just mad he killed some scumbags just like you LOL
Like any organization, the failings of the state are pushed onto one individual while failings of the entire entity are ignored.
She needs to go to prison and every conviction on cases she has worked should be thrown out
This should happen far more often. The culture in prosecutor's offices are such that many, many prosecutors regularly break both professional ethics rules and the law.
I agree. Only met a handful of good prosecutors. They are usually in smaller cities, less political, cities
Idk, looks like psychopaths are attracted to careers where they can yield power over other people.
She should go to jail. How many people has she done this to? I am betting that every case that she has prosecuted will come up for re-trial.
@@pansepot1490 I think that is very true. Doesn't mean every prosecutor is a psychopath. But the culture of the job means that psychopaths can thrive. It isn't about justice, it is about winning at any cost, even if they are wrong and even if they have to violate someone's rights to do it.
Rick, a retired LA cop* said he often believed the guy on trial more than the 🤥 DA because he was the one who arrested him.
*Good Luck America, AKA
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Every case involving someone found guilty of misconduct or incompetence NEEDS to be examined for any hint of a similar offence.
I don't think she should have been disbarred. She should be sent to prison for the same amount of time of those sent to prison by her.
West Virginia does not require an attorney to be a member of the bar to practice law in West Virginia.
Neither does Kansas. But attorneys still have to be licensed by the Supreme Court in both states.
A lawyer losing their ability to practice law is seen as extreme punishment for illegally imprisoning the improperly tried. The hypocrisy is deafening.
Sounds like she should be charged with FALSE IMPRISONMENT and OFFICIAL OPPRESSION in any cases that get overturned as a result of her actions.
Happens with every prosecutor throughout the country...isn't prosecutor immunity wonderful?
"The difference is I'm still a lawyer" savage 🤣🤣🤣
Probably shouldn’t be LYING in a court of law. There is NO excuse.
Creating evidence or intentionally misinterpreting it, like in the case of the serial killer who actually said "they think I killed those people" into "i killed those people" presented at trial by prosecutor near you iirc. IS A CONSTITUTIONAL CRIME
A prosecutor who works side by the side with the police guilty of professional misconduct,,,,,,,, shocking,
That 'State Disciplinary Administrator' needs investigation too.
Steve, I am surprised that the courts, when they overturned the convictions, did not do it with prejudice.
@@groofromtheup5719 that’s what many people fired up here are failing to take into account
Her office HAD to recognize her misconduct, and yet NO ONE SAID ANYTHING!
Sounds like her argument is the NASCAR mantra, "it's only cheating if you get caught", since during the trial she did not get caught (only on appeal), she didn't cheat
I would hope there's a big difference between racing and playing with someone's life
@@benrossbach6501, All I'm saying is her argument is the other guy didn't catch it (It's only cheating if you get caught), so it wasn't cheating. Was it wrong yes, I'm just looking at her argument defending herself, without anything else clouding it. I do agree with the decision and her disbarment, when you factor in innocent lives into the equation and hope the decision stands. I just hope she invested that ill gotten money, plenty of Malpractice cases are probably coming her way, not to mention a possible criminal fraud case, because this isn't over with her disbarment
I was just recently called for jury duty. I called the Judge and Attorneys a bunch of crooks. The Judge threw me out of his court room.......
Looks like Kim Wexler got caught in the act, she should have stayed away from Jimmy.
If this is how prosecutors act on a murder trial, just imagine how many times they screw up lesser cases and get away with it...
I call BS on the "mistakes" but EVEN IF TRUE she is too incompetent and her "errors" destroy lives. Imagine a nurse who makes a med "error" that kills a patient, and they do; she should continue to practice and continue to make these "errors" as they're not intentional? No, disbarred her. As nurse would have her license revoked.
An attorney working for 20 years,,, making many large mistakes,,,,yea, don't step in that pile
For Drs and nurses it depends on the mistake. Everyone makes mistakes, medical mistakes just have high consequences. Simple oversight usually results in a change to SOPs and no punishment for the nurse. Negligent or malicious errors result in licenses pulled or charges.
@@diveforknowledge tell that to Rhodonda Vaught. You see, I AM a nurse. I'm not just a keyboard warrior disagreeing for the sake of doing so. I know a doctor right now who also "made a mistake" and damn near killed a woman. Do you think that hospital allowed him to practice there again? This woman didn't make A mistake; she made MANY "mistakes" so even if she's not a fkn liar, which I think she is, she definitely incompetent and should NOT be put in a position where ONE OF US are forced to pay for HER mistakes WITH OUR LIVES. You should take your moniker more seriously. And no, it doesn't matter the error. If the board finds out, you WILL lose your license. Whether permanent or not is what varies. The hospitals have a self interest in COVERING UP MISTAKES. If you actually knew how many nurses who made mistakes were still practicing, you'd fear healthcare. I've worked with at least TWO nurses and ONE doctor who have blood on their hands so stick to you profession or qualify to get into nursing BEFORE telling nurses witj decades of experience what's what in nursing.
@@ericwsmith7722 exactly.
@@groofromtheup5719 There's another one facing CRIMINAL CHARGES for a man killed by prison guards SHE DIDN'T EVEN TOUCH! Yet you have total non nurses telling nurses what happens to us everyday in our employment. Something is wrong with some ppl.🤦🏿♀️
So when is she going to receive separate sanctions for lying to the Supreme Court?
It would be very interesting to know exactly what she did. There’s no indication that the people whose convictions were overturned were actually innocent. Of the two cases cited by Steve, one of them took a plea deal and the other is apparently going to get a new trial. Not that that should matter in the disbarment, but it’s something to remember when discussing this. People are commenting as if she railroaded innocent victims. That’s not necessarily true. I’m not defending her in any way - what she did is despicable and the defendants are innocent until proven guilty in a FAIR trial. Hopefully her actions have not resulted in any innocent people being jailed in any of the trials she participated in. Her disbarment is well deserved and I hope it is permanent.
"Get a new trial" would seem to be double jeopardy to me, but IANAL. How many jury trials can you have with the same evidence and same witnesses about the same crime? The State had their chance, IMO.
Innocent people regularly plead guilty because of a combination of financial cost of defense and threat of severe punishment. Imagine you make 45k/year and looking at the threat of 20-life and $100k+ lawyer fees then the prosecutor offers 3 years for a guilty plea. If you fight the charges it'll take at least a year, you won't be able to work during that time, and even if you win you're out of a job, homeless, and owe 100k. A lot of people take the plea because it seems like the safer option. (And yes, you can get a public defender for free, but your chances of them having the time to take your case seriously are very low.)
@@diveforknowledge 99% accurate. It says the Court will appoint you a lawyer. I got charged for my public defender who railroaded me, and am not able for retrial even though ACLU sued whole state for their public defender system being whack. Everything else spot on! Also like to add I believe Steve did do a video on the Alfred plea which gives your statement a lot of merrit
@@johnwesley256 -- Steve DID do a video on those; but they aren't available in every jurisdiction.
no it’s nothing to remember. you’re 1 degree away from her, ethically speaking
I don't understand what a prosecutor has to gain by being so vile to destroy lives like that.
Withholding evidence of innocence should subject a prosecutor to the same punishment that they are illegally subjecting the defendant to.
IMO that disgusting person should go to jail, being disbarred is not enough by a long shot.
Done gone bye bye. No place for misconduct in the prosecutor’s office in any country. It’s about Justice and not her career. It’s the State Bar ….. is she coming to your state?
All of her cases should be reviewed. Totally insane.
Anyone who watched the Rittenhouse trail should agree, the prosecutors should be disbarred as well.
if the retrial finds him not guilty he should have grounds to get reparations for that 10 years IMO cause that is a lot of time he will never get back.
Most likely. The wrongfully convicted get compensation all the time, even when prosecutorial misconduct was not involved.
So... why isn't knowingly and willfully violating the legal rights of the accused a criminal offense?
She should be in prison......period!
All her work needs to be looked at
I can't imagine anyone being ok with anything less in a case like this. To deny the most basic constitutional right afforded to us in the court system is completely disregarded is sickening.
Disbarred ? She should still be allowed to practice law, acting as her own council, while serving out the sentence of the wrongly convicted.
Why would an attorneys gamble there license for anyone? How foolish
You have to wonder if all 80 odd murder convictions she obtained should be reviewed …
A rare example that redundancy is applicable. Like military intelligence as an oxymoron.
To me, when the Supreme Court used "Intentionally Lied" means they could have also thrown on "Perjury" Charges, but the Supreme Court thought the Disbarment was already stringent enough. I do believe that if a Prosecutor/District Attorney sends a person to Prison for Prosecutorial misconduct, Disbarment is not enough and that Prosecutor needs to face some sort of Criminal Charges themselves as well as being able to be Civilly Sued (No Prosecutorial Immunity).
Disbarment should be the side effect, not the total punishment.
That would be something for the state Attorney General to decide.
@@karlrovey Yes, but they could have made that 'Recommendation' to the AG...especially when it's pointed out in the Article that the Prosecutor Lied to the Investigators doing the Legal Background into the Case brought before the Supreme Court Disciplinary Hearing.
100 Bill sticking out of KAARME plate
Attorney walks into a bar... and gets kicked out!
"Ethical lapses" in the law industry are far more common than its regulatory bodies admit. At least *one* corrupt prosecutor was held accountable for their behavior by this action. Yay! Thanks for posting!
If she intentionally made false statements in papers to the court, shouldn't she be charged with perjury?
At what point does "prosecutorial misconduct" turn into something that actually carries a punishment? Does perjury not apply to what lawyers say in court?
Not unless said attorney is a witness in a case. For perjury, a statement must be made under oath. Attorneys representing clients don't take an oath to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth as part of such representation. That said, they are required to conduct themselves within the ethical rules under which they practice. Some attorneys forget the rules.
Many more lawyers need to be disbarred, especially crooked persecutors!!
Every case she has prosecuted should be investigated
They should retry , not just review, ALL of her cases. Period
I agree that too many attorneys are focused on winning rather than seeing that justice is served. This includes defense attorneys that have to know that their clients are guilty but don't ask the client because they don't care if they help a guilty person go unpunished as long as they win.
Well to be fair a lawyers job is to give the best defense and the actual Justice is rarely given in our judicial system. Sending someone to prison is an act more heinous than rape; most people lose their jobs, house and cars then have every part of their body examined in a room full of people and to top it off there is still a fair chance that you'll get raped and/or battered. I think most PPL would chose 15 minutes of torture than all of that.
The defendant's lawyer has an obligation to vigorously defend the client, and if this results in a guilty defendant going free, that is the price of having a system where the state is required to PROVE their case, and not just declare guilt because the cops or someone else alleged it. If a guilty defendant goes free because of having a good lawyer, then the case against them sucked royally and the state should have put all the ducks in order before bringing charges. (E.g. the OJ Simpson trial.)
I despise dirty Politicians, Cops, and Prosecutors. The penalty for breaking their oaths should be severe for any public servant.
We need a change of culture. If prosecutors get near 100% conviction rate, the question should be, what's wrong? Why isn't the system working?
He needs to be in prision
"She" not He
ANY prosecutor or cop that deliberately lies in a court, knowing that the accused is innocent, should face the same amount penalty as the accused would have faced.
The guy who was wrongfully convicted should sue her for damages. So should the families of the victims, as the real killer is still walking around.
Boy, she must have been bad for the legal system to go after one of their own.
Hiding exculpatory evidence which is rampant and calling it an honest mistake to win a case isn't just unethical, it a travesty of the the law and the prosecutor should be barred for life.
Only lawyers think disbarment is a real punishment! She may be rich enough that not practicing would matter! All her cases need to be overturned.
And jail time!
What a joke…. Send her to prison like the people she screwed over.
Rather 10 guilty men go free than for one innocent man to be wrongly convicted.
This prosecutor sends god knows how many innocent people to prison and the worst punishment is losing her job?! That would be like me stealing a million dollars from the bank I work at and my only punishment is being fired and not allowed to work at banks anymore.
That is often what happens to crooked stock brokers.
So, this prosecutor helped secure 80 homicide convictions.
So that’s 80 convictions that will now be being reviewed to appeal.
She should serve the sentences she was responsible for giving.
She was charged with misconduct. She was prosecuted for making the state look bad.
why does it take a murder case to find misconduct? we have plenty of misconduct with little to no punishment for the real criminals!
Professional national associations, like the ABA, Medical, Nursing, etc seem to have become less focused on furthering their profession and more focused on their personal incomes.
Time to fire 2/3 of all state and federal employees... Tell the rest "YOUR NEXT!"
So my question is is she going to be forced to do the time that she sentenced others to for her lying? How many innocent people did she knowingly get locked up by her wicked actions? She is just one of thousands of prosecutors that do this every day.
1) No. 2). Unknown.
Our political and justice system in the United States is absolutely in shambles and I don’t see it getting any better in my lifetime.
If the prosecutor knowingly lied to the court, shouldn't she be being investigated for perjury?
Once again the "legal industrial complex" covers their own. 10 to 20 in the slammer would be more like Justus instead of Just Us.....
The punishment should fit the crime, not this hand-slapping that lawyers hand out to each other when forced to actually do something.
A Good Lawyer knows the Law, A Great Lawyer knows the Judge!!!
She won 80 murder trials? One prosecutor!! My whole country not have 80 murder trials in total in this century
This needs to happen more frequently