@@jacobanderson2285 The boss will mind control someone, when mind controlled they attack other party members and can be attacked. What you need to do is damage the party member to low-medium health and wait a few seconds. They did this but the mage went all in and finished them before the mind control expired.
@@jacobanderson2285 ye thet boss is a wraith like in warcraft 3 and posses one of the party members if that helps. i just got possesed today on a normal server and almos tkilled our hunter while i was possesed
9 minutes in the video and I am surprised they don't counter argue his "You can't control crits" with "You see that the Priest is at 53% hp and it needs to be below 50%. How on earth can you ever justify Frostbolt -> Fireblast -> Cone of Cold to deal 4% damage???" But yeah regardless it was already 100% clear it's a grief
"You can't ban someone for a mechanic". No offense to whomever said that, but man thats not a smart take. EVERYTHING in the game is a "mechanic". The literal definition of the word griefing is to abuse in-game mechanics to get a negative emotional reaction from someone... in-game.
getting banned for something that is intended in a game is ridiclous. doesnt matter if its intentional or not. if its so bad maybe change the mechanic?
Well you can't prove intent. It's literally impossible. Unless the person outright says why they did it in which this case he did. Dude could be giga stoned and saw a red enemy and attacked. In what world can you prove it's a grief? If he didn't outright say that's for rolling on the flask then you couldn't prove greifing.
it is indeed a dumb take, although for this specific case i think it's blizzards fault, this shouldn't even be possible in HC although im sure people would cry if even the slightest change was made to the game, so maybe there's no winning for blizz
@SlayNorway brother, the idea of punishment is to discourage certain behaviour. This behaviour is toxic and ruins the game's environment. By that logic, killing someone with a knife shouldnt be punishable, because knives are meant to cut through things, its literally a mechanic of the universe breh. punishment isnt over what a mechanic is supposed to allow for, but over the intention and the harm caused for another player, in a non consensual context (that is, not makgora, or pvp). Just because you can do something, doesn't mean it's ok to do it.
just changed mine a few weeks ago, never want to have it in any other ways tbh.. no forgotten pizzas, coffee and fridge not to far :D its insanely good!
my aunts' home is like this, her IQ is rly low tho. This is how it looks like. in her apartment. (Bruh, it looks like a gun) Wtf, it took 11min ;D But, satisfying. ____________________⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀______________________________________________ |⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀|________________________| Toilet⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀|Bathroom⠀⠀⠀ | Bedroom⠀⠀ ⠀⠀| |PC/TV room⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀||||||||||||||||||Kitchen|||||||||||||________===_|___===________|______________ ⠀ |⠀⠀⠀ |_______===___________⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀_________________________________________________________| |⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀|⠀| entrance| |⠀⠀⠀kids room⠀⠀⠀|⠀|⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀| |___________________|⠀|__===____|
It could be rng, that's what I mean. Just the way apartment is built, he could've gotten it coz the cost etc. Honestly, to me, a hot ass kitchen air/flying oil/etc food stuff is making it more of a bad thing, idm dashing to kitchen 7sec or walking from it balancing a soup on the edge ofca bowl like Jackie Chan in Drunken Master, all the way, rly glad it's distanced.
My new apartment, I set up my computer in the living room that is right next to the kitchen. I could literally roll to get food or a drink if I wanted.
Honestly when dealing with general pop everyone should need, but if this is a guild run you better expect homies to pass on that if your class needs it.
From someone playing since Vanilla, it's shocking to see so much people in chat saying it's normal to all need on BOE... This was rare and very frowned upon at the time. WoW changed so much, and not for good...
Idk, people have been needing boes for ages now. If you have not agreed upon boe rules at the start of the run, everyone can roll need, because they actually need the gold, since its value is really high at this point.
it makes sense tho, you can claim you need it it for a your prot spec as a fury warrior, you'd just have to trust someone to not sell it on AH, which sucks ... it probably only happens with epic boe's, and when it happened in classic 2019 I always talked about it with group before rolling
I always discuss with the group before dungs that we need on boes UNLESS someone is there specifically for that boe. I always tank so it’s not hard for me to convince people that’s what we’re doing.
The dude should be banned one full day for every hour on the character he killed. 200 hours in? 200 days ban. Or just perma him. Seriously this kinda childish toxic behaviour will not benefit anyone. Just get rid of him.
U guys are american for sure. Someone does something u dont like and u go nuclear on punishment. Ban seems about right, but u guys seem to have some weird retribution fetish.
I will almost always pass on a BOE if I know there's someone that can use it especially the Tank or the Healer, but as you say, I have no expectation that anyone else will do so and I don't believe there any unwritten rule or bro-code that demands BOE items go to the person that can use them.
@@KW-ps6hk I hope you’re going to wait for the other people who don’t need it to pass, otherwise enjoy passing on gut ripper for the rogue while the hunter, warlock, and druid all roll need anyway
Wild how there's literally a GREED button, meant for, ya know.. selling the item. 30 and 40 year old geeks fighting over loot in this 20 yr old game still baffles me.
2:22 My experience with WOW is that everyone are greedy loot goblins and probably one of the most toxic groups of people if your with randoms. The most sad part are they are mostly 30+.
It used to be pass if someone wants to equip it. If you needed and did not equip you'd be kicked and you could forget about doing anything serious on your realm for a really long time. You'd might even get a gkick as we'd be on the realm forums reporting the ninja behaviour. 'If you pass you're a really nice guy' No you're someone with a moral compass and 99% of your group would act the same. These days everyone is just a greedy asshole. 'You can't expect everyone to pass' Indeed you can't anymore, and that's normalised by the selfish fucks that only care about themselves.
I wonder how many people say "all need" to a boe drop. For me it is without any doubt that a person who actually needs it and starts wearing it should get it. That beeing said if someone claims to wear it but doesn't do it and just says "haha rickrolled" that should be punishable the same as griefing. If someone needs a BOE I will pass and I wish and hope that everyone would do the same for me.
I'm like Papa John over here, "I've had over 40 dungeons in the last 30 days" and in 95% of them everyone rolls need on BoE. The 5% exception was for cheap items and/or a SF player needed. Nobody is passing on something worth even just 50g+, let alone 800g (the recipe in question) Some of the comments here are a reminder of why a HC player dies every 10 seconds.
I used to press pass BoE’s for people that need it, while watching all the others need roll. Now I just need roll after watching the rolls. That mage should be permanent banned from any HC server. 7 days isn’t enough. He needs to be purged from existence in that game mode .
I need roll and give it to the person who actually needs it. I do the same thing in retail in pug raids too. Just type /loot and look at the people who rolled and give it to the highest person who actually needed it
@@JoeDirtyist If you can need on something you don't need because you just want to sell then I'll disenchant your BIS lol. If you have no argument against it then I'm doing it.
If it's an expensive BoE absolutely roll need and disenchant it if that's what you wanna do with it, obviously better to sell it on the AH and get whatever you want, but you do you
Or just stop acting like degenerated community and don't need on items you will place on AH. Stuff like this happens way less on p. servers. It is always the sweats on official. The mage did a good thing
@@69niteshow are you going to socially enforce anything in wow lmao. You think "you're a bad person!" is going to stop people from griefing? From the delicious taste of robbing hundreds of hours from a person? Also why not? Why is banning griefing a bad thing?
What if a wrong decision, they happen all the time. Sitting 3 whole months, coz ppl just smashed 45% HP with smaller spells and AAs 0.2s before your Bolt? ;D 95% of these players/gm won't even check jack, they'd just use your bolt visual on the vid + the note that he died from you, ;D
a lot of people saying shit like "you cant ban for a mechanic" are exposing just how little real world experience you have lmao. You've agreed to their unilateral unconditional terms on their end. they can and will do as they see fit btw if you want to see how easily it is to automate mass reporting for a ban check his shit in a day.
Or they just disagree with you? Having the devs stay out of player interaction creates an entirely different culture within the game. Communities form outside of just guilds, guilds as a whole develop reputations, friendslists and player interaction become very important. just speaking from my experience with other hardcore mmorpgs
The problem here is that he never admitted he was trying to kill him. So of course we all know he meant to do it, but if he never admitted it and he tells blizzard "it was an accident, I was trying to break the mc and crit him" then he will probably get unbanned quickly, which as much as it pains me to say is the right call. Don't play hardcore with people you don't trust.
I agree with the idea that everybody generally needs epic BOE's and valuable drops about the same amount. A mage needs a krol blade just as much as a rogue or warrior. At that point, the cost of gold is more valuable to most people than the actual item itself. The only exception I could see is if the player who needs it is solo self found, or if the group has a defined loot system prior to the drop.
True, but you can't trust ANYONE on Bliz servers anymore. I guarantee just as many greedy scammers hit need as legitimate level 300 alchemists. To keep it fair, and eliminate any chance of ninja action, everyone needs.
@@davidjones-wr3pg i see alot of comments saying opposite but as a gm with over 900 players in my guild, i 100% agree with you. Unless its close friends. When its just me and my officers i leave it free roll and we just greed but in a full on raid with people we play with once a week all need lol
@@pyrosupreme4473 I play on a private server. The population has grown, but not to a point where reputation doesn't matter at all. Usually don't have any problems with this.
Bro, that "Mage logs back in, GM mind control and another GM does to him exactly what he did to the priest" would be the most savage and appropriate retribution imaginable. People who intentionally kill others in HC like this is the shit-stain underneath the people at the bottom of the barrel of Multiplayer gamers.
If you don’t have blink yet and you are running away from mobs you can mana shield as long as the mana lost does not remove your ability to use frost nova which is highest prio escape keybind pre-blink
Sorry, but no. Need before greed means that if somebody can both equip/use AND benefit from an item then they roll need and get prio and if your intention is to profit from winning an item then you roll greed. That's literally the definition of the need before greed system.
And yet thats not how BoE drops have ever been handled. If everyone was truely honest about their intention to equip it, most people wouldn't mind having someone take it to equip, but we all know this is not the case, so all need became the meta due to the few that messed it up for everybody else.
thats how WoW players do it with everything besides BoEs. the reason they all roll need on BoEs is because you can sell those items on the auction house, which allows professions/consumables/buying cheaper BoE gear. need a lot of gold at max level, its as important as gear. finally, even if you disagree with the above, you're simply going to be behind because no one in the playerbase will agree with you and theyll roll need
greed is no chance at the valuable item while randoms roll need and sell it on the AH, this isn't hard guys, don't expect four strangers to have your same loot code
I think that whole 1st part with the recipe could've been completely deviated if Blizzard only allowed you to NEED if you could use it (Like if there mage was an alchemist and no one else was then they could need on it, if 3 of the 5 were alchemists then 3 could need) Could've still worked the same if priest would've been an alchemist too but I think what really pissed the mage off was the fact they *REALLY* needed it (and not just to sell~) On the other hand I don't think it was right to kill the priest at the next opportunity...it still doesn't give you the recipe and now it's as if the whole thing dropping was 100% pointless~
Possible unpopular take - The entire party was at fault for not protecting themselves from an unstable group member by either kicking him or leaving group. You have an obligation to protect yourself from others in HC.
Blizzard needs to have GM Law Enforcement. They respond to calls of murder and other grievances. Arresting ppl like the mage in-game and banishing them to a perma ban “prison” where the culprits can still log in but are in prison.
I played a game that did that. If you broke the rules and a ”ranger” saw you do it or some one had hard evidence to show a ranger they could teleport you to a spell/item locked jail and every time you logged in you would appear there until your sentence had been completed. Other players could come see you in jail too. The rangers were players who applied and were picked by the devs/voted on by players. It was extremely effective.
The MC death was so important to WoW HC since now we all know you can get away with griefing and it was either going to be that or you could perma ban all new players who accidentally kill the MC And don't even think blizzard GM's should review tickets and videos every time someone dies to this boss. They decided it was a game mechanic and the risk is you being at the mercy of your party. So group up with people you trust and leave people you don't. Your "life" is on the line
Mana shield is pretty good when you're first learning how to AoE grind or going into a new AoE grinding place. You'd use it same as ice barrier, put it on before pulling. Additionally it's useful when wanting to reset a pull to avoid being dazed. That being said once you have ice barrier, you probably shouldn't touch it ever again. The rule you mentioned now that I think about it makes a lot of sense as a general rule of thumb. It's just very rare for mages to have a lot more mana than health ever.
Everyone rolling need is the logical approach even if you want the item to go to the player that can use it. If a good actor wins, the deserving player can be traded the item.
there are 2 ways to deal with respawns. you go back to the boss and hearth or you push forward, by walking into 1 of the places where spawns are and fight only there. make sure to stun/slow when they are low. Never run, cause Lib is Filled with mobs in the last tunnel.
@@gl0Ppy Hardcore is a live or die game mode, you need to be very careful who you choose to bring with you. Now considering what happened with the loot, it was very obvious the mage was not in his right state of mind; he was upset and unpredictable. He showed many signs that it wasn't smart for the whole group to continue the dungeon with him, yet they chose to ignore it and move on. To dispute your comment, no I did not say the people in my group are my enemies, nor did I imply it. I have no idea how you came with with that conclusion. Although, there is recorded evidence that many people join groups just to grief other people, so it is wise for you to be cautious when inviting people.
@@kalamoudi I completely agree with your first section. Solid take, nothing wrong with it. Your initial comment, however, was that the -mage did nothing wrong-, and thus has nothing to do with what you just wrote.
Should 100% be a perma ban. It is clearly griefing. I can understand accidents but dude didn't even start casting ice bolt till priest was already half health.... No way it was "accidental" crits...
I play on Turtle WoW. The standard in PUG 5 mans is this - greens items, greed. Blue or better BOEs, all need. Something like a flask recipe is usually hard reserved by whoever put together the group, but if it's not, again, all need. We've just gotten to the point where we trust no one. At least if everyone hits need, no one can claim someone ninja'd. Actually, that's not true. Think DMN. The tribute chest gets ninja'd at least once a week (usually for the agility + hit ring). I'll see someone in World Chat blasting a character's name, telling everyone to blacklist that person, and it works. The only people who don't blacklist him are other ninjas. That's why I say I see this like once a week, and not multiple times per day.
No guarantee the person who wins the need roll will even use it. Some items are worth so much, the gold is worth more than the item. Yeah a krol blade isn't going to get used by a warlock, but if the hundreds of gold could be spent to improve multiple slots of gear or get them their mount how are you going to say they don't "need" multiple upgrades. The gold is worth more than the item. Everyone should have a shot at it and if you want to equip it then good for you, that's the same as paying for it.
@ if it’s a set item that makes you a huge asshole if you intend to sell it. There’s diff ways to make gold. Dungeons are good for gear. You do dungeons for some gear Back in the day we wouldn’t do this
@@Lurchstavo Yet you can't explain why, seems like the greedier position that only a person who can equip it can benefit from it when it's literally an expensive BoE item, not a BoP. You can turn a BoE item into any other BoE item on the AH, you are greedy
Imagine how stupid I looked when I forced my group to all roll greed except for the guy who needed, then on the last roll, the hunter needed and left. Statistically if we had all needed there would have been a chance for it to go to a good actor who could trade it after. Always roll need on BOEs. This is what smart good people do, don't just blindly folow a principle that is easily abused by bad actors.
@@sixtyninelol Which is why he said a punishment for the guys character? Maybe before telling people to relax you should idk learn how to read. Also let me take your project car after you finish putting a new rear end on it and crush the back end. But dont worry Ill pay for it youll just be out all the time and effort it took to find it, order it, fit it, and install it and will have to do it all over again. That priest spent real life hours leveling and gearing that character.
gonna have to agree to disagree. If an item is an upgrade for someone, and they can equip it immediately, it follows standard rolling. You dont just need things because you can sell it. Following this logic, you can vendor anything, so why even have a need or greed selection. This is why your krol blade example is trash. rolling need on things that are upgrades for people in group gets you insta kicked and ignored in my group of friends.
@@ToxicNubs almost every single person agrees that boe’s are something everyone rolls need on. Nothing is stopping someone from rolling need when 3 others pass/greed it for one member. It just makes no practical sense to not roll need especially since 99% of people already do and it’s established as the norm
@@Purriah It was never "established as the norm" until GDKP's became the norm. Its a relatively new thing. Ive been playing since day 1 vanilla. People like this get kicked from our groups and ignored. as they do in almost every group that isnt full pug. Or at the ery least its discussed before the roll. and you can throw out all the fake statistics you want, it doesnt validate your argument, and the lack of logic since everything has value in game is glarring.
@@Purriah This is not remotely true. I've played for over a decade and BoEs are almost always greeded on unless someone can actually use it as an upgrade. Just because you're a roach who wants gold doesn't mean the rest of us are.
@@someguy9970 hc hasn’t been out for a decade. It has nothing to do with me personally. Every boe other than dungeon set items, it’s all need and always has been, and I even make sure I never jump the gun and need first, 95% of the time someone says “all need” and I just follow suit. Idk why you’re butthurt. That’s just how it is done on hc
@pyrosupreme4473 i dont know all the context but. From my understanding is that the only Person who could use it was the mage since he has alchemi. This is Like someone who isnt mage would rool need on the tbc item that allowed mages to learn the highest spell to produce Manga reg Drinks.
Seeing this was always in the back of my mind. I was tanking ST and the troll trash, in the Jammal'an and Ogom hallway, dropped edgemaster's. The mage was the first the in the group to roll need. As a warrior, I obviously rolled need as well. The rogue in the group decided to roll as well to give to me. The rogue won them but I was stressed the rogue would get MC'd and the mage would go all in.
I'm a fan of hardcore modes for some games I enjoy, but WoW is definitely not one of them. MMO Player Mentality tends to be below the threshold for "common sense" and "morality." If the game had actual concepts of "skill" in a dungeon, and not having to rely one hundred percent on your teammates, then I'd be a bit more comfortable with it. That Mage knew what he was doing. He got upset over losing a rolled item, and decided to punish another player by erasing all their time and effort into that character. A one-month ban...maybe feels right. Or perhaps a two/three month ban. A second offense would just be "deleting your account, you will never play this game again." The smartest thing that Mage could've done was just befriend the Priest and help him to craft those potions. No sweat.
Blizzard hasn't actually banned the guy yet that we know of... he got mass reported and the automatic function tossed him for a day, the maintenance came and he got logged back in where he got mass reported again and was gone. That's the 7 day. Players got rid of this guy on their own, and it's up to Blizzard to enforce their rules and perma-ban the guy like they do everyone who is clearly intentional killing another player in hardcore. As for the duration, it is permanent. If it is clearly intentional and with malicious intent, it is a permaban of the entire bnet account. Like, no more retail, no more classic, no more hardcore, no more SoD, no more D4. At best he can play his D2 offline and stuff. This is what happened to the guy doing the Swamp of Sorrow hearth to Crossroads grief. This is what happened to the players on this fresh hardcore that would take new players into RFC with their guild and then get them punted into the lava on the first boss. All gone forever.
People really don't understand how important their name is. I can guarantee among the good players this mage will never ever be invited to their guild. Sure casuals don't care but who cares about casuals if they are playing past 60. People who are actually into the game will not do shit with this guy anymore. Doing something like this is an lifelong coward buff. There have been so many cases with people not getting invited to guilds/raids/dungeons anymore because they tarnished their own name. This also works the other way around btw. Someone tried to talk bad about me on the EU server Stitches. Long story short he failed so bad because i already had a very good reputation build up as a good dps and fast trader in 3 out of the 5 biggest guilds already and also among many people. Remember guys. Griefing so obviously or doing something similarly will make your character useless. No high tier guild will invite you ever. No guild will wanna raid about you. No Pre bis farmers will wanna run with you. Maybe after 2-3 months after your name has MAYBE been forgotten will fix that. Just don't do the bad and your good.
You should always roll need, but agree beforehand that if you win you'll give it to X aloud, because it prevents griefing and you put your ticket in the pot for the person who needs the item. It also doesn't force people to pass who don't want to, but gives them a little nudge.
If someone is going to use the recipe, they can prio. If someone is going to equip, they can prio. If it’s like edgemasters or something that level, everyone need.
ive noticed a HUGE increase in legit mentally ill people in dungeons lately. i had a guy go absolutely mental for needing on an essence of fire (for my archmage robes), mind you he needed on it as well.
I actually think that blizzard should delete your characters on the HC realm if you intentionally kill another on HC along with the ban even if its not perma. that way the player who did the deed has to relevel and go back from start with no items in bank or anything remaining to do your journey again, this would be a way better incentive to not act toxic as it would cost you HOURS of time to get back even after the ban has been lifted
I think the appropriate ban should be is if a player Griefs another player and kills a player, The griefer stays banned until the player he killed reaches 60.
He got a 30 day ban… I literally just got banned for 7 months for using a fishing bot trial for 15 minutes. Damn I do not see how the punishment is fair.
It would be dope if they could give someone a scarlet letter after a 7 day ban. Just give them a permanent Debuff of "Greifer" with minus crit and damage.
It does not matter at all of you ban him or not.. High level Players know about all the griefers and they will never get in a dungeon after he did that. Never get invited to a guild after things like that...
My first run on Stitches, strat, skullflame shield dropped, my entire party passed it for me. I was so surprised as a pala tank 😢❤ Loving alliance community.
How did he kill him I don’t understand this I watched multiple times. Did he freeze the monster next to the priest and kill him that way or ?? I’m slow
The boss mind controlled the priest, which makes the priest attackable. Players are aware of this mechanic going into it, and they are careful to not kill that player. This mage popped some DPS cooldowns, clearly killing the priest on purpose.
Yep, boss mind controls a random player every so often. Normally you'd CC that player till the mind control runs out, but in this case, the mage just nuked the priest.
As someone who has no clue about the mechanics of this fight, did you say that there is a mind control mechanic at play here? Is PvP turned on for hardcore servers? How is the mage able to attack the priest and deal damage to him? It doesn't make sense to me that blizzard have this mechanic in their game, they've clearly known about it for a long time and yet they punish someone for doing something that is in their game? I'm confused. If it's a bug then fix it surely?
Pretty sure that if the Priest was mind controlled it means people in the party can attack him. It's not a bug. Team mates just need to crowd control the MC'd player or something and not kill them (and that goes for non-HC too).
@@Spacemonkeymojo Ah I see! Makes sense but at the same time that is a mechanic they put into the game, seems insane to punish someone for an in game mechanic working exactly the way they designed it to.
cant tell if that Tauren warr on "Fizzle" was trying to die or live! any veternan knows u save the "leech skull" from the troll quest on south to kill that guy(does 90% of the mobs HP on dmg and heals u right back)! he didnt use the skull /props! but also didnt use the stomp when both imp/fizzle were casting! so cant see the play there! Also that girl on meeting with the guild has the pet running by her side on passive and doesnt use it to pull aggro from demon after FD resist or Wing clip the demon so she can outrun... just dont get it either!
Xar, i want to give you a compliment. you are basicly the nicest a guy can be before i get sus. Hope you, the kid, the wife, the wow, the stream... and so on are doing great!
Generally things that are boe are passed to those who need it amongst an entire guild group. If I'm with Randoms and say that pattern or shadowfang drops, I'm hitting need every time and twice on Sunday.
Blizzard should've coded the game so that if this happens and they can detect it was griefing then the character automatically dies right after he griefs. Or they should have a gang of GMs in the game who can kill anyone want they want called the "Griefer Hunters". They could be 5 Rogues with high level gear and they go around finding griefers, stalking them, harassing them and then executing them LMAO.
Im a new wow player done 2 dungeons on classic era as a greatsword main passed on everything that I could use but knew i wouldn't use so the tank got all the weapons but the 1 hand sword my newbie girlfriend wanted and the whole guild flipped out on her in discord ao she cried then i shared some words and we dipped. I hate how mad people get over digital items in a game games are meant for to have fun. The gaming community as a whole is mostly toxic no matter where you go sucks stuff like this doesn't surprise me at all.
The fact he was charging for int buffs... and they let him stay in the group is a big red flag.
to be fair, the man should be permabanned, but anyone staying in that group is insane lol
Imagine how much he charged for the water. Mage is unhinged I'm surprised he isn't aoe farming
I really don't see how blizz could ban him though. I mean it's their mechanics. It's f'd up but that's what hardcore is a crazy world.
@@tc7584 because you signed the tos
@@tc7584 lmao how stupid can u be?
That's not a grief, that's a bloody assassination.
Wasn't this exact comment on guzus vid of this? Lol
can you explain it too me ? I don't understand how a guy in the group killed another guy in his own group I guess im just a noob.
@@jacobanderson2285 The boss will mind control someone, when mind controlled they attack other party members and can be attacked. What you need to do is damage the party member to low-medium health and wait a few seconds. They did this but the mage went all in and finished them before the mind control expired.
It's a grief.
@@jacobanderson2285 ye thet boss is a wraith like in warcraft 3 and posses one of the party members if that helps. i just got possesed today on a normal server and almos tkilled our hunter while i was possesed
This should be a perma ban from the hardcore realm
Nope bnet
100%
for the healer 100% greedy sob stealing someone elses drop
Eh, that seems a bit ridiculous. Just be glad he was banned at all.
@@KohtehYT we found the mage's YT acc 🤣
9 minutes in the video and I am surprised they don't counter argue his "You can't control crits" with "You see that the Priest is at 53% hp and it needs to be below 50%. How on earth can you ever justify Frostbolt -> Fireblast -> Cone of Cold to deal 4% damage???"
But yeah regardless it was already 100% clear it's a grief
Why keep yapping when everyone knows it anyways
@@andreihlen7597 Yup, better to report the trash and move on
Also people saying 7 day ban, his stream showed he got a 28 day ban...
but he was back on a couple days later from what I heard.
He deserved perma from battlenet so he loses d4 cod and retail too
@@energyoneeighty2887this happened less than 48 hours ago. There hasn't even been a couple days ago
@@energyoneeighty2887 He made a new account with a new character
Good, play loser games win loser prizes.
"You can't ban someone for a mechanic". No offense to whomever said that, but man thats not a smart take. EVERYTHING in the game is a "mechanic". The literal definition of the word griefing is to abuse in-game mechanics to get a negative emotional reaction from someone... in-game.
getting banned for something that is intended in a game is ridiclous. doesnt matter if its intentional or not. if its so bad maybe change the mechanic?
Cringe take, L @@SlayNorway
Well you can't prove intent. It's literally impossible. Unless the person outright says why they did it in which this case he did. Dude could be giga stoned and saw a red enemy and attacked. In what world can you prove it's a grief? If he didn't outright say that's for rolling on the flask then you couldn't prove greifing.
it is indeed a dumb take, although for this specific case i think it's blizzards fault, this shouldn't even be possible in HC
although im sure people would cry if even the slightest change was made to the game, so maybe there's no winning for blizz
@SlayNorway brother, the idea of punishment is to discourage certain behaviour. This behaviour is toxic and ruins the game's environment. By that logic, killing someone with a knife shouldnt be punishable, because knives are meant to cut through things, its literally a mechanic of the universe breh.
punishment isnt over what a mechanic is supposed to allow for, but over the intention and the harm caused for another player, in a non consensual context (that is, not makgora, or pvp).
Just because you can do something, doesn't mean it's ok to do it.
we need 60 priests so bad, he didnt just screw over the individual priest, he screwed over the whole 60 scene
The priest shouldn't have been a loot whore. Don't be loot whores, don't get face smashed in Strat UD. Pretty simple.
That kitchen pc setup is high level IQ status lmao
just changed mine a few weeks ago, never want to have it in any other ways tbh..
no forgotten pizzas, coffee and fridge not to far :D its insanely good!
My apartment is small enough that I cant have it any other way. Its great!
my aunts' home is like this, her IQ is rly low tho. This is how it looks like. in her apartment. (Bruh, it looks like a gun) Wtf, it took 11min ;D But, satisfying.
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It could be rng, that's what I mean. Just the way apartment is built, he could've gotten it coz the cost etc.
Honestly, to me, a hot ass kitchen air/flying oil/etc food stuff is making it more of a bad thing, idm dashing to kitchen 7sec or walking from it balancing a soup on the edge ofca bowl like Jackie Chan in Drunken Master, all the way, rly glad it's distanced.
My new apartment, I set up my computer in the living room that is right next to the kitchen. I could literally roll to get food or a drink if I wanted.
Honestly when dealing with general pop everyone should need, but if this is a guild run you better expect homies to pass on that if your class needs it.
@@benjaminhartman4488 no, f that too.
From someone playing since Vanilla, it's shocking to see so much people in chat saying it's normal to all need on BOE... This was rare and very frowned upon at the time.
WoW changed so much, and not for good...
the generation of kids playing our game today are mostly trash human beings and you can clearly see it
Idk, people have been needing boes for ages now.
If you have not agreed upon boe rules at the start of the run, everyone can roll need, because they actually need the gold, since its value is really high at this point.
it makes sense tho, you can claim you need it it for a your prot spec as a fury warrior, you'd just have to trust someone to not sell it on AH, which sucks ... it probably only happens with epic boe's, and when it happened in classic 2019 I always talked about it with group before rolling
I always discuss with the group before dungs that we need on boes UNLESS someone is there specifically for that boe. I always tank so it’s not hard for me to convince people that’s what we’re doing.
i can see what you are talking about, but this is not the point, the mage 100% griefed the priest, and there is no excuse for what he did.
The dude should be banned one full day for every hour on the character he killed. 200 hours in? 200 days ban.
Or just perma him. Seriously this kinda childish toxic behaviour will not benefit anyone. Just get rid of him.
Perma from bnet id what he deserved. That way he loses retail accounts, d4, and cod
U guys are american for sure. Someone does something u dont like and u go nuclear on punishment.
Ban seems about right, but u guys seem to have some weird retribution fetish.
@@Odyssey636glad everyone seems to be in agreement.
Bans are permanent. Suspensions aren't. Get a clue
@@dangerousfelonLet me guess, you're on the griefer's side but you can only split hairs
I will almost always pass on a BOE if I know there's someone that can use it especially the Tank or the Healer, but as you say, I have no expectation that anyone else will do so and I don't believe there any unwritten rule or bro-code that demands BOE items go to the person that can use them.
Yeah, well, when an item is worth 1000g on the AH I think it's safe to say we all need that. Obviously, bind-on-pickup items are a different story.
@@KW-ps6hk I hope you’re going to wait for the other people who don’t need it to pass, otherwise enjoy passing on gut ripper for the rogue while the hunter, warlock, and druid all roll need anyway
Wild how there's literally a GREED button, meant for, ya know.. selling the item. 30 and 40 year old geeks fighting over loot in this 20 yr old game still baffles me.
@@Funnnyminnie who hurt you?
@@Funnnyminnie you’re the one who is upset lol
Mage: waits until priest is 50% HP then does nova, frostbolt, fire blast, COC.
Also mage: “I can’t control my spells and crits”
Yeah, no shot it was an accident I don't understand how anyone sees that as a "mechanic" homie got the wombo-combo lol
whats the point of making a comment thats the exact word for word quote of what the commentary in the video says?
He’s a Gigachad if his toilet is also in his kitchen
I bet he figured out some sort of a diaper rotation system
He is sitting on it, and the shelf is where the keyboard rests.
The gigachad is the priest not the warrior ur talking about . Completely wrong person but continue your convo about the warrior in the kitchen .
A bucket-seat is 10 days deep.
Cook rp
2:22 My experience with WOW is that everyone are greedy loot goblins and probably one of the most toxic groups of people if your with randoms. The most sad part are they are mostly 30+.
It used to be pass if someone wants to equip it. If you needed and did not equip you'd be kicked and you could forget about doing anything serious on your realm for a really long time. You'd might even get a gkick as we'd be on the realm forums reporting the ninja behaviour.
'If you pass you're a really nice guy'
No you're someone with a moral compass and 99% of your group would act the same.
These days everyone is just a greedy asshole. 'You can't expect everyone to pass' Indeed you can't anymore, and that's normalised by the selfish fucks that only care about themselves.
I wonder how many people say "all need" to a boe drop. For me it is without any doubt that a person who actually needs it and starts wearing it should get it. That beeing said if someone claims to wear it but doesn't do it and just says "haha rickrolled" that should be punishable the same as griefing. If someone needs a BOE I will pass and I wish and hope that everyone would do the same for me.
Youre in the minority. You always NEED BOE items with value.
Human nature does not allow that
Boomer logic
they won't, they'll "need" on it and sell it for $$$$
@@Matt-bv3rp you´re american, EU has ethics
I'm like Papa John over here, "I've had over 40 dungeons in the last 30 days" and in 95% of them everyone rolls need on BoE. The 5% exception was for cheap items and/or a SF player needed. Nobody is passing on something worth even just 50g+, let alone 800g (the recipe in question)
Some of the comments here are a reminder of why a HC player dies every 10 seconds.
I used to press pass BoE’s for people that need it, while watching all the others need roll. Now I just need roll after watching the rolls.
That mage should be permanent banned from any HC server. 7 days isn’t enough. He needs to be purged from existence in that game mode .
Should be permanently banned from WoW in general.
I need roll and give it to the person who actually needs it. I do the same thing in retail in pug raids too. Just type /loot and look at the people who rolled and give it to the highest person who actually needed it
Terrible take. Don't run strath with sketchy people. They knew the mechanic was present. It's their own fault.
Alternatively, as a disenchanter, should I need on everything for exp?
If you have to ask that I'm sorry to say that you're probably gonna have a tough life. It's not rocket science, my dude. Find Jesus.
@@JoeDirtyist If you can need on something you don't need because you just want to sell then I'll disenchant your BIS lol. If you have no argument against it then I'm doing it.
@@LunaticThinker name checks out
@@JoeDirtyist Thank you for contributing to the discourse
If it's an expensive BoE absolutely roll need and disenchant it if that's what you wanna do with it, obviously better to sell it on the AH and get whatever you want, but you do you
He should be perma from hardcore and be forced to retail
Just perma his whole account, we dont want him on retail with this shit attitude.
Nope permad on bnet. So he loses all wow accounts d4 and cod
would be a win to play the better version
Or just stop acting like degenerated community and don't need on items you will place on AH. Stuff like this happens way less on p. servers. It is always the sweats on official. The mage did a good thing
IP banned for being toxic sore loser would be appropriate.
Perma ban is the appropriate punishment 100% @9:00 that idea is perfect love it XD!!!
hahah no it could get 5% better, have the GM's use the weak S BS excuses that pathetic loser used, on him
3 month ban seems appropriate
Nope perma from d4 retail classic and cod seems appropriate
There should be no griefing bans at all.
Anything not cheating in an MMO should entirely be socially enforced.
@@69niteshow are you going to socially enforce anything in wow lmao. You think "you're a bad person!" is going to stop people from griefing? From the delicious taste of robbing hundreds of hours from a person?
Also why not? Why is banning griefing a bad thing?
What if a wrong decision, they happen all the time. Sitting 3 whole months, coz ppl just smashed 45% HP with smaller spells and AAs 0.2s before your Bolt? ;D 95% of these players/gm won't even check jack, they'd just use your bolt visual on the vid + the note that he died from you, ;D
Yep so many redditor momma boy crybabies here @@69nites
If someone is a little sus, you kick them from the group or find another. Yes Xaryu... 100% agree
a lot of people saying shit like "you cant ban for a mechanic" are exposing just how little real world experience you have lmao. You've agreed to their unilateral unconditional terms on their end.
they can and will do as they see fit
btw if you want to see how easily it is to automate mass reporting for a ban check his shit in a day.
L take my man. I'll leave this L for you to hold
Or they just disagree with you? Having the devs stay out of player interaction creates an entirely different culture within the game. Communities form outside of just guilds, guilds as a whole develop reputations, friendslists and player interaction become very important. just speaking from my experience with other hardcore mmorpgs
The problem here is that he never admitted he was trying to kill him. So of course we all know he meant to do it, but if he never admitted it and he tells blizzard "it was an accident, I was trying to break the mc and crit him" then he will probably get unbanned quickly, which as much as it pains me to say is the right call. Don't play hardcore with people you don't trust.
One thing I noticed is that when a server is fresh people lose their minds over BoE loot.
Guys, not even Krol Blade is that big of a deal.
Man, we have jobs though. I bet it’s pretty important to people with nothing else happening in their lives 😅
If it's not a big deal then it can be turned into gold on the AH for the ipgrade you want then right?
I agree with the idea that everybody generally needs epic BOE's and valuable drops about the same amount. A mage needs a krol blade just as much as a rogue or warrior. At that point, the cost of gold is more valuable to most people than the actual item itself. The only exception I could see is if the player who needs it is solo self found, or if the group has a defined loot system prior to the drop.
There's a button to use if you're gonna sell the item. It's called teh greed button.
True, but you can't trust ANYONE on Bliz servers anymore. I guarantee just as many greedy scammers hit need as legitimate level 300 alchemists. To keep it fair, and eliminate any chance of ninja action, everyone needs.
@@davidjones-wr3pg i see alot of comments saying opposite but as a gm with over 900 players in my guild, i 100% agree with you. Unless its close friends. When its just me and my officers i leave it free roll and we just greed but in a full on raid with people we play with once a week all need lol
Everybody presses Need to prevent ninja looting.
Such a bad idea to greed on BoEs, you tell everyone to need on expensive BoEs so no one gets scammed and the last guy needs when everyone else greeded
@@pyrosupreme4473 I play on a private server. The population has grown, but not to a point where reputation doesn't matter at all. Usually don't have any problems with this.
Bro, that "Mage logs back in, GM mind control and another GM does to him exactly what he did to the priest" would be the most savage and appropriate retribution imaginable.
People who intentionally kill others in HC like this is the shit-stain underneath the people at the bottom of the barrel of Multiplayer gamers.
When one of Xaryu's streamer buddies does it: "based"
When a non-streamer does it: "the ban is completely justified."
Perma ban is the only acceptable punishment for this clear grief
If you don’t have blink yet and you are running away from mobs you can mana shield as long as the mana lost does not remove your ability to use frost nova which is highest prio escape keybind pre-blink
With this logic it is also ok to mana shield as long as it doesn’t oom you for the last blink you need to escape
Sorry, but no. Need before greed means that if somebody can both equip/use AND benefit from an item then they roll need and get prio and if your intention is to profit from winning an item then you roll greed. That's literally the definition of the need before greed system.
And yet thats not how BoE drops have ever been handled. If everyone was truely honest about their intention to equip it, most people wouldn't mind having someone take it to equip, but we all know this is not the case, so all need became the meta due to the few that messed it up for everybody else.
Yea you literally defined it grats. It hasn't worked that way in the community in 15 years though.
thats how WoW players do it with everything besides BoEs. the reason they all roll need on BoEs is because you can sell those items on the auction house, which allows professions/consumables/buying cheaper BoE gear. need a lot of gold at max level, its as important as gear.
finally, even if you disagree with the above, you're simply going to be behind because no one in the playerbase will agree with you and theyll roll need
@@riordanbrown9557 same with BoP - you can vendor it and get gold
Greedy wow community disregards loot system, but if you disregard boss mechanics it’s time to turn on the tears. 😢
At 14:34 is a bar with scrolling cd's. is this a WA?
i wanna know too
sell is greed
Not a ms os raid so unless stipulated prior to run that's just wrong.
@@lotyogipityu7992 cool, enjoy rolling greed while the other 4 roll need.
greed is no chance at the valuable item while randoms roll need and sell it on the AH, this isn't hard guys, don't expect four strangers to have your same loot code
I think that whole 1st part with the recipe could've been completely deviated if Blizzard only allowed you to NEED if you could use it (Like if there mage was an alchemist and no one else was then they could need on it, if 3 of the 5 were alchemists then 3 could need) Could've still worked the same if priest would've been an alchemist too but I think what really pissed the mage off was the fact they *REALLY* needed it (and not just to sell~)
On the other hand I don't think it was right to kill the priest at the next opportunity...it still doesn't give you the recipe and now it's as if the whole thing dropping was 100% pointless~
Possible unpopular take - The entire party was at fault for not protecting themselves from an unstable group member by either kicking him or leaving group. You have an obligation to protect yourself from others in HC.
that was beyond fucking stupid, he was already toxic. Just kick and find a dps. Its not hard.
Blizzard needs to have GM Law Enforcement. They respond to calls of murder and other grievances. Arresting ppl like the mage in-game and banishing them to a perma ban “prison” where the culprits can still log in but are in prison.
I played a game that did that. If you broke the rules and a ”ranger” saw you do it or some one had hard evidence to show a ranger they could teleport you to a spell/item locked jail and every time you logged in you would appear there until your sentence had been completed. Other players could come see you in jail too. The rangers were players who applied and were picked by the devs/voted on by players. It was extremely effective.
needing items so you can sell them is SO LAME if someone in the group legitimately needs the item they should roll need on it
I remember somebody got some betrayal debuff for 7 days online. that mage should get that or delete his toon.
For playing the game how it was intended? That's ridiculous.
That mage is somebody that was never told "no" as a child and now thinks the world revolves around them.
the mage should be banned untill the priest recovers everything he had xD
after pika killed his tank and healer yesterday it's pretty rich for him to throw shade
The MC death was so important to WoW HC since now we all know you can get away with griefing and it was either going to be that or you could perma ban all new players who accidentally kill the MC
And don't even think blizzard GM's should review tickets and videos every time someone dies to this boss.
They decided it was a game mechanic and the risk is you being at the mercy of your party. So group up with people you trust and leave people you don't. Your "life" is on the line
Mana shield is pretty good when you're first learning how to AoE grind or going into a new AoE grinding place. You'd use it same as ice barrier, put it on before pulling. Additionally it's useful when wanting to reset a pull to avoid being dazed. That being said once you have ice barrier, you probably shouldn't touch it ever again. The rule you mentioned now that I think about it makes a lot of sense as a general rule of thumb. It's just very rare for mages to have a lot more mana than health ever.
pass to who needs
if you roll need to sell it your a ninja
the idea of "everyone need" is exclusivly a US server thing
Everyone rolling need is the logical approach even if you want the item to go to the player that can use it. If a good actor wins, the deserving player can be traded the item.
there are 2 ways to deal with respawns. you go back to the boss and hearth or you push forward, by walking into 1 of the places where spawns are and fight only there. make sure to stun/slow when they are low.
Never run, cause Lib is Filled with mobs in the last tunnel.
Perma
Easy
09:00 perfect thing that gm's should do lmao ''pick your poison'' treatment. you grief, you get griefed, then MUST restart.
Mage didn't do anything wrong tbh, it was fair play. Don't bring someone you don't trust into a situation where you could die.
Wrong
you talking as if the people in your group during a dungeon are your enemies
one way of looking at life i guess
@@gl0Ppy Hardcore is a live or die game mode, you need to be very careful who you choose to bring with you. Now considering what happened with the loot, it was very obvious the mage was not in his right state of mind; he was upset and unpredictable. He showed many signs that it wasn't smart for the whole group to continue the dungeon with him, yet they chose to ignore it and move on.
To dispute your comment, no I did not say the people in my group are my enemies, nor did I imply it. I have no idea how you came with with that conclusion. Although, there is recorded evidence that many people join groups just to grief other people, so it is wise for you to be cautious when inviting people.
@@seanfeit975 Boomshakalaka
@@kalamoudi I completely agree with your first section. Solid take, nothing wrong with it.
Your initial comment, however, was that the -mage did nothing wrong-, and thus has nothing to do with what you just wrote.
I have a fridge TOUCHING my computer desk in my kitchen, stove right behind me, front door on the other side of the fridge.
Should 100% be a perma ban. It is clearly griefing. I can understand accidents but dude didn't even start casting ice bolt till priest was already half health.... No way it was "accidental" crits...
I play on Turtle WoW. The standard in PUG 5 mans is this - greens items, greed. Blue or better BOEs, all need. Something like a flask recipe is usually hard reserved by whoever put together the group, but if it's not, again, all need. We've just gotten to the point where we trust no one. At least if everyone hits need, no one can claim someone ninja'd. Actually, that's not true. Think DMN. The tribute chest gets ninja'd at least once a week (usually for the agility + hit ring). I'll see someone in World Chat blasting a character's name, telling everyone to blacklist that person, and it works. The only people who don't blacklist him are other ninjas. That's why I say I see this like once a week, and not multiple times per day.
If it’s an upgrade to you you’re allowed to need it. If you can’t or not using it, don’t need it.
No guarantee the person who wins the need roll will even use it. Some items are worth so much, the gold is worth more than the item. Yeah a krol blade isn't going to get used by a warlock, but if the hundreds of gold could be spent to improve multiple slots of gear or get them their mount how are you going to say they don't "need" multiple upgrades. The gold is worth more than the item. Everyone should have a shot at it and if you want to equip it then good for you, that's the same as paying for it.
@ if it’s a set item that makes you a huge asshole if you intend to sell it.
There’s diff ways to make gold. Dungeons are good for gear. You do dungeons for some gear
Back in the day we wouldn’t do this
A expensive BoE is an upgrade for everybody though, because they can just AH it and get an equivalent item on the AH
@ yeah just need roll everything bro that’s what assholes do
@@Lurchstavo Yet you can't explain why, seems like the greedier position that only a person who can equip it can benefit from it when it's literally an expensive BoE item, not a BoP. You can turn a BoE item into any other BoE item on the AH, you are greedy
Imagine how stupid I looked when I forced my group to all roll greed except for the guy who needed, then on the last roll, the hunter needed and left. Statistically if we had all needed there would have been a chance for it to go to a good actor who could trade it after. Always roll need on BOEs. This is what smart good people do, don't just blindly folow a principle that is easily abused by bad actors.
If not perm ban then mage literally getting away with murder. IMO his character should be unalived on the backend.
Its a video game bruh not real life relax
@@sixtyninelol nicee
@@sixtyninelol Which is why he said a punishment for the guys character? Maybe before telling people to relax you should idk learn how to read. Also let me take your project car after you finish putting a new rear end on it and crush the back end. But dont worry Ill pay for it youll just be out all the time and effort it took to find it, order it, fit it, and install it and will have to do it all over again. That priest spent real life hours leveling and gearing that character.
@@sixtyninelolbro cant read😂
@@The4HorsePeaples lmao RELAX my boy
Thank god Xar included that in the title, almost thought I was about to witness a murder
gonna have to agree to disagree. If an item is an upgrade for someone, and they can equip it immediately, it follows standard rolling. You dont just need things because you can sell it. Following this logic, you can vendor anything, so why even have a need or greed selection. This is why your krol blade example is trash. rolling need on things that are upgrades for people in group gets you insta kicked and ignored in my group of friends.
@@ToxicNubs almost every single person agrees that boe’s are something everyone rolls need on. Nothing is stopping someone from rolling need when 3 others pass/greed it for one member. It just makes no practical sense to not roll need especially since 99% of people already do and it’s established as the norm
@@Purriah It was never "established as the norm" until GDKP's became the norm. Its a relatively new thing. Ive been playing since day 1 vanilla. People like this get kicked from our groups and ignored. as they do in almost every group that isnt full pug. Or at the ery least its discussed before the roll. and you can throw out all the fake statistics you want, it doesnt validate your argument, and the lack of logic since everything has value in game is glarring.
@@ToxicNubs ok this whole topic is about hc servers where it is the norm, period.
@@Purriah
This is not remotely true. I've played for over a decade and BoEs are almost always greeded on unless someone can actually use it as an upgrade. Just because you're a roach who wants gold doesn't mean the rest of us are.
@@someguy9970 hc hasn’t been out for a decade. It has nothing to do with me personally. Every boe other than dungeon set items, it’s all need and always has been, and I even make sure I never jump the gun and need first, 95% of the time someone says “all need” and I just follow suit. Idk why you’re butthurt. That’s just how it is done on hc
The fact they were actively arguing with him right before a boss with mind control is pretty insane tbh
The priest Had IT coming
L take
Can you explain why?
@pyrosupreme4473 i dont know all the context but. From my understanding is that the only Person who could use it was the mage since he has alchemi. This is Like someone who isnt mage would rool need on the tbc item that allowed mages to learn the highest spell to produce Manga reg Drinks.
When I lived in a studio apartment in downtown Chicago this is exactly how my setup was. Down to the stove right next to me
Seeing this was always in the back of my mind. I was tanking ST and the troll trash, in the Jammal'an and Ogom hallway, dropped edgemaster's. The mage was the first the in the group to roll need. As a warrior, I obviously rolled need as well. The rogue in the group decided to roll as well to give to me. The rogue won them but I was stressed the rogue would get MC'd and the mage would go all in.
20 years ago we would pass(greed) on boe but force the player to equip it.
Grief in 2006=boe need roll to sell. Things have changed
@@verihimthered2418 Yeah, people used to really suck at the game. Many still do it seems.
I'm a fan of hardcore modes for some games I enjoy, but WoW is definitely not one of them. MMO Player Mentality tends to be below the threshold for "common sense" and "morality." If the game had actual concepts of "skill" in a dungeon, and not having to rely one hundred percent on your teammates, then I'd be a bit more comfortable with it.
That Mage knew what he was doing. He got upset over losing a rolled item, and decided to punish another player by erasing all their time and effort into that character. A one-month ban...maybe feels right. Or perhaps a two/three month ban. A second offense would just be "deleting your account, you will never play this game again."
The smartest thing that Mage could've done was just befriend the Priest and help him to craft those potions. No sweat.
Blizzard hasn't actually banned the guy yet that we know of... he got mass reported and the automatic function tossed him for a day, the maintenance came and he got logged back in where he got mass reported again and was gone. That's the 7 day. Players got rid of this guy on their own, and it's up to Blizzard to enforce their rules and perma-ban the guy like they do everyone who is clearly intentional killing another player in hardcore.
As for the duration, it is permanent. If it is clearly intentional and with malicious intent, it is a permaban of the entire bnet account. Like, no more retail, no more classic, no more hardcore, no more SoD, no more D4. At best he can play his D2 offline and stuff. This is what happened to the guy doing the Swamp of Sorrow hearth to Crossroads grief. This is what happened to the players on this fresh hardcore that would take new players into RFC with their guild and then get them punted into the lava on the first boss. All gone forever.
nah I think losing his account is enough. should be a lesson learned. And other guy should have acc restored.
People really don't understand how important their name is. I can guarantee among the good players this mage will never ever be invited to their guild. Sure casuals don't care but who cares about casuals if they are playing past 60. People who are actually into the game will not do shit with this guy anymore. Doing something like this is an lifelong coward buff. There have been so many cases with people not getting invited to guilds/raids/dungeons anymore because they tarnished their own name.
This also works the other way around btw. Someone tried to talk bad about me on the EU server Stitches. Long story short he failed so bad because i already had a very good reputation build up as a good dps and fast trader in 3 out of the 5 biggest guilds already and also among many people.
Remember guys. Griefing so obviously or doing something similarly will make your character useless. No high tier guild will invite you ever. No guild will wanna raid about you. No Pre bis farmers will wanna run with you. Maybe after 2-3 months after your name has MAYBE been forgotten will fix that.
Just don't do the bad and your good.
You should always roll need, but agree beforehand that if you win you'll give it to X aloud, because it prevents griefing and you put your ticket in the pot for the person who needs the item. It also doesn't force people to pass who don't want to, but gives them a little nudge.
If someone is going to use the recipe, they can prio.
If someone is going to equip, they can prio.
If it’s like edgemasters or something that level, everyone need.
The mage was streaming in strath too. You can find their pov online. cold blooded murder
They should revive the priest. Then ban the mage for a month and send his character to the post-death server.
ive noticed a HUGE increase in legit mentally ill people in dungeons lately.
i had a guy go absolutely mental for needing on an essence of fire (for my archmage robes), mind you he needed on it as well.
The "if you pass youre very nice" was not the standard 20 years ago. Back then it was expected.
I actually think that blizzard should delete your characters on the HC realm if you intentionally kill another on HC along with the ban even if its not perma. that way the player who did the deed has to relevel and go back from start with no items in bank or anything remaining to do your journey again, this would be a way better incentive to not act toxic as it would cost you HOURS of time to get back even after the ban has been lifted
I think the appropriate ban should be is if a player Griefs another player and kills a player, The griefer stays banned until the player he killed reaches 60.
He got a 30 day ban… I literally just got banned for 7 months for using a fishing bot trial for 15 minutes. Damn I do not see how the punishment is fair.
Yea you roach out of there knowing that guy is unhinged after living
It would be dope if they could give someone a scarlet letter after a 7 day ban. Just give them a permanent Debuff of "Greifer" with minus crit and damage.
profession recipes should go to a person that actually needs it. random epics and blues are ffa
Priest: "You can't control crits"
Everyone Else "Duh, but you can control whether or not to attack your teammate" 🤣
I love the GM coming in and killing him idea. That’s some Jagex level of petty.
12:55 Swifty has too many screens
It does not matter at all of you ban him or not.. High level Players know about all the griefers and they will never get in a dungeon after he did that. Never get invited to a guild after things like that...
"For in the same way you judge, you will be judged and the measure you use will be measured unto you."
My first run on Stitches, strat, skullflame shield dropped, my entire party passed it for me. I was so surprised as a pala tank 😢❤ Loving alliance community.
Whats so funny is this is pretty much a wow community exclusive issue. People use NBG just fine in Everquest.
No one plays everquest bro😂 its barely had thousands of players over the course of decades.
@@Odyssey636 Everyone in the EQ community knows each other since there is like 12 of them so ofcourse NBG works there. haha
How did he kill him I don’t understand this I watched multiple times. Did he freeze the monster next to the priest and kill him that way or ?? I’m slow
The boss mind controlled the priest, which makes the priest attackable. Players are aware of this mechanic going into it, and they are careful to not kill that player. This mage popped some DPS cooldowns, clearly killing the priest on purpose.
Yep, boss mind controls a random player every so often. Normally you'd CC that player till the mind control runs out, but in this case, the mage just nuked the priest.
@@alexbowe2316 damb
The guy was despicable for doing that, but he shouldn't be banned. It's just a game mechanic
Still dont get why this is bannable, “griefing” is a natural part of an MMO
I think the appropriate punishment is locking out that mage as a playable character on his roster for 1 year
Clearly we need a GM for reviewing deaths and once in a while making players whole.
As someone who has no clue about the mechanics of this fight, did you say that there is a mind control mechanic at play here? Is PvP turned on for hardcore servers? How is the mage able to attack the priest and deal damage to him? It doesn't make sense to me that blizzard have this mechanic in their game, they've clearly known about it for a long time and yet they punish someone for doing something that is in their game? I'm confused. If it's a bug then fix it surely?
Pretty sure that if the Priest was mind controlled it means people in the party can attack him. It's not a bug. Team mates just need to crowd control the MC'd player or something and not kill them (and that goes for non-HC too).
@@Spacemonkeymojo Ah I see! Makes sense but at the same time that is a mechanic they put into the game, seems insane to punish someone for an in game mechanic working exactly the way they designed it to.
cant tell if that Tauren warr on "Fizzle" was trying to die or live! any veternan knows u save the "leech skull" from the troll quest on south to kill that guy(does 90% of the mobs HP on dmg and heals u right back)! he didnt use the skull /props! but also didnt use the stomp when both imp/fizzle were casting! so cant see the play there!
Also that girl on meeting with the guild has the pet running by her side on passive and doesnt use it to pull aggro from demon after FD resist or Wing clip the demon so she can outrun... just dont get it either!
There should be a greif debuff, like the mak-gora. but instead of 3 day game time its infinite on the character with 50% reduced stats etc
Xar, i want to give you a compliment. you are basicly the nicest a guy can be before i get sus. Hope you, the kid, the wife, the wow, the stream... and so on are doing great!
The game has become a serious issue for that mage obviously. Ban for at least 90 days, for mental concerns.
That magix mage streamer said it was due to mental fatigue. That he worked an 8 hour shift before playing for hours and it was an accident
An 8 hour shift lol that's the totally standard shift.
@@sarppyjr what’s his twitch channel name?
@@Alexh-oq6sj magix23_tv
Generally things that are boe are passed to those who need it amongst an entire guild group.
If I'm with Randoms and say that pattern or shadowfang drops, I'm hitting need every time and twice on Sunday.
Blizzard should've coded the game so that if this happens and they can detect it was griefing then the character automatically dies right after he griefs. Or they should have a gang of GMs in the game who can kill anyone want they want called the "Griefer Hunters". They could be 5 Rogues with high level gear and they go around finding griefers, stalking them, harassing them and then executing them LMAO.
Mage ban should be indefinite until the priest's new character hits the same level he was before getting griefed
Im a new wow player done 2 dungeons on classic era as a greatsword main passed on everything that I could use but knew i wouldn't use so the tank got all the weapons but the 1 hand sword my newbie girlfriend wanted and the whole guild flipped out on her in discord ao she cried then i shared some words and we dipped. I hate how mad people get over digital items in a game games are meant for to have fun. The gaming community as a whole is mostly toxic no matter where you go sucks stuff like this doesn't surprise me at all.