You know yam while you are punching down on Chinese bikes you should get the lifan kpx250 from venom too! I was hard thinking about getting that bike before just spending extra money on a midsize Adv bike but still curious about it
To think I actually considered one of these China bikes as a first bike LOL. I too ended up with the "standard beginner bike" Ninja 400. It makes this thing look like a bird scooter 😂
My very first car was a 1990 VW Polo Mk II with 55 rampant horse-power. It was by no means a fast car, but it would've eaten that Chinese Superbike for breakfast. From the numbers and from what I can see in the videos, this thing has holiday-rental-scooter/Honda SuperCub performance.
I'm waiting for the inevitable freakout from Venom once they discover these videos and how badly their plan to bribe a positive review out of you backfired
Very common on Chinese bikes. My first bike was Chinese and I thought people were speeding like crazy because according to my speedo I was going the speedlimit and people were aggressively passing me. It overreports by about 20%
Yea, But you can get a decent spedo on any modern phone now. There's like so many app's and I've tested them. My current china bike is maybe off by like 4-5 MPH. This dude just went way to hard on this bike TBH. If your buying a china bike you know it's not gonna be be the best shiz. And on the old head's who ride have a stick up there ass of about the brand's they rep. And let's be real here. if you aint riding a china bike you prob are loaded or older and maybe loaded. Can't even get a Navi for under 5.4k in Austin out the door. And it's that or buy used. And I've run into less issues with china bike's then I ever did with used one's. Just don't be dumb and buy something online then go and ride it with zero knowledge on how to inspect your gear/bike. If your young you will NEVER be able to finance a bike, So.... I learned how to tune my china bike's to how I like them.
@@STOPPEDINCOLORADO"SuperBike 250cc Fuel-Injected Motorcycle | BD250-5 " This was their previous title after yam called them out, it's still available on a few old dropshippy sites
If I had this bike the first thing I'd do is change the tach so that, instead of numbers, it was just random pictures. "Yeah bro, the bike redlines at toaster, but you should probably shift at milk carton to stay in the power". Then I'd convert the speedo to it's natural measurements, "hectares per sidereal day"
@@derekm6236even when he revved it in the parking lot it definitely did reach 6k, 3k doesn't sound like that on a single cylinder, I think the Trail tech gauge is set for a wasted spark system
No dude these are cdi engines and they dont have cam position sensors they spark every revolution. you think the pick up coil ignores the contact on the flywheel every other revolution somehow??
You forget the price range of these rebranded Venom bikes, you can get a brand new bike from Venom in the range of $2,000-$3,300 depending on which one you pick. A ninja 250 used are selling around 3K, the new model that was supposed to be released this year was set to approximately $4,920. I personally don’t regret my Venom as a starter bike.
Same, and online people always say "buy a cheap used bike" and it's a lie for many of us. In my area everyone sells used bikes at MSRP ever since COVID. Everyone today feels entitled to their full money back for bikes with tons of miles on them. People have lost their minds.
Your tachometer is counting electric pulses to the sparkplug so, since it is a four stroke engine, there will be two revolutions for each count in your tachometer.
This comment is correct, spark ignites once per cycle and 4 strokes are two full rotations of the crankshaft. If this was a two stroke engine then the ignition would be equivalent to the rotation.
@@yammienoob It doesn't rev up to 11k, but it does get to 10k just like a CRF230 does. The rest of the review, about the overall crapfullness of the thing is spot on. But you did mess up on that one.
Your tachs are perfectly synced, it’s counting electric pulses and it’s a four stroke with a wasted spark so it’s perfect spot on. Just multiply by two or change settings on your new tach
Cant imagine anyone actually buying these bikes compared to used reputable brand, specially when comes to parts and service information. Quite competitive market
I got a bike from Venom, years before this video. Its a Lifan brand, got 7K miles on it now, I just do regular maintenance, fluids, chain adjustment, spark plug, valve clearance adjustment. Still zero issues, its a tank. Lol!
Well, it's a Lifan after all as opposed to the other bikes on Venom. I too bought from them a Lifan KPM200 and it's awesome. However I'm worried about buying any non-Lifan bikes from them.
Everything you've said in this video, I concur. I own a Honda Super Cub AND a CSC San Gabriel "250", which is a rebranded ZongShen just like this Venom bike. Honestly, if they made a 150cc version of a Honda Super Cub, I'd gladly take that on the highway over this deathtrap. The first night I got it back, the centerstand spring just fell off, and I didn't realize it until the next morning. All throughout, the mirrors kept rattling so bad, I couldn't see anything behind me, and at random, the gears get stuck and you end up stalling because you can't put it back down in first from a fully stopped position. The spedometer is indeed 10% than your actual speeds. Save your money and your time.
Bro i had this exact bike in the uk but 50CC (still with twin discs) and imagine how i felt in the hilliest part of the world! Had it for 2 months and sold for an aprilia 2 stroke, never regretted it
With a Chinese clone engine.... probably would either shred the insides of the engine or bolts would break and you wouldn't be able to put it back together
My thoughts exactly, maybe he used the bicycle thingy for mileage as well as speed? It would be good to get that clarified though, as an overly optimistic odometer would mean even worse fuel mileage!
Lol yes it does. 😂 I have a BD-125 and before I corrected the Speedo it was 50% off making a 10 mile run look like 15! The manual recommends a 500 km break in period. I wonder if that is their miles or actual miles lol.
Remove all of the plastic fairings, fenders, and the seat. Replace the EFI with a carburetor. Put metal full fenders on both wheels. Put a springer seat on it. Put long bicycle style handlebars on it. Give it just an analog speedometer. Call it a JANUS and charge $10,000.
It's amusing to note, that when the Japanese (notably Honda) first started appearing (mostly UK I'm guessing, don't know how they were received in the States) they were scoffed at. Much like we do with incoming Chinese bikes such as this. BUT the Japanese machines were well built AND reliable. They had to be. Either the Chinese manufacturers will work that out, or not.
Japanese competed on quality and reliability, Chinese compete on being dirt cheap. When it inevitably breaks you just throw the POS away and buy a new one.
Some of the Chinese manufacturers are pretty reliable these days. But generally the build quality of smaller manufacturers like zongshen are still complete dogshit unlike CFMOTO or QJ
@@MieczyslawPawelKolenda not in California! its insane I have reported them to the DMV as well. I was a dummy to purchase a bike from them and this exact thing happened to me, I weigh 170 and when I started to incline I lost so much power, I thought I was going to get smashed. They lie so much on their site. "400lbs without compromising performance" ya.......................................................
Is the tachometer set for a 2 stroke engine measuring the rpm as every power stroke for one revolution of the engine? A 4-stroke would have 2 revolutions of the crank and could be why the rpm is about half of what is claimed. The tacho yam put on is getting the signal from the ht lead.
I came here to say the same thing. Obviously his mechanical skills match his over expectations. All being said, I've got a lovely old CM250T that can hit 90mph all day, 0-60 less than 10 seconds, and over 40 years old.
I have a 2020 KP Mini from Venom and now have 14,000 miles. Nibbi carb, ported intake, full exhaust, tires, chain, front and rear sprocket, all done before 250 miles. Im in like $4000. And it's been great. It's a 2006-2017 crf150 clone engine from lifan and it's better than Honda IMHO. I love the sight glass lol. I've had mine to 94 mph (gps,and follower) with gauge showing 100+. I only get about 45mpg with a 1.4g tank and that sucks. The fuel gauge is also wildly off. Shows empty flashing at half tank. BUT my bike is heavily modified guys. And I've had a great time making it a custom.
I guess my question is about the MPG, did you use the inaccurate mileage from the stock speedo or the mileage from the good GPS? As the speedo being off that far 20% (50 claimed 40 actual) would be 41.7MPG or there about.
That alson means that people are not getting the number of miles they think they are! So if they say they have 500 miles on the bike they only really have about 450 or less!
Well I almost died today. Some kid pulled right out in front of me while I was doing 50. Tried braking but there wasn’t enough distance. I hit the back brakes a little too hard and skid but I think that allowed me to steer left and escaped into the middle lane. I locked eyes with the kid after I skid by him. He had the “oh crap” face and kept going. I pulled over to catch my bearings. I’d like to thank all the motorcycle youtubers. Stay safe
@PapaYammie01 told me you had somehting special for me too and all it was pictures of his hairy bunghole. It wasn't special at all 😢. 0/10 don't recommend.
Did you want to talk about Chinese motorcycles here? I think cf moto isn’t bad. How bout you? Any experience with Chinese motorcycles? Were you planning on getting one til you watched this 8 month old video?
@@johnstiles6663 I'm certainly not interested in your bs near miss story, but as you ask, I've had a few Chinese bikes brought to my shop and yes, they're every bit as rubbish as this one and no, I'm not thinking of buying one in the same way as I'd never buy a Hardley Ableson. Perhaps your story might go down better on one of those crash compilations?
To be fair I probably did put it on one of dans videos. Idk it was 8 months ago. Yes I’ve had Chinese stuff in my shop too. They suck. I have only had a cf moto 4 wheeler come in tho no bikes and I was kinda impressed with cf moto. It’s not as reliable as Japanese but you do get a lot of features for the money. I don’t like Harley’s either. I probably will never buy a cf moto tho. I like Japanese bikes. Only ever owned kawasaki but mostly because of right place right time and abundance in my area
Is it a good starter bike? As far as balance weight and part price. I don’t mind if the speed is like a scooter just need a good reliable backpack starter bike
CHALLENGE: Take the price difference between this bike and a new Ninja 250 and see if you can improve this bike with it, make it more fun to ride than the Ninja, or cooler.
yammie, i'd like to thank you for potentially saving me thousands of dollars. at one point early in my quest for my first motorcycle i looked into this bike company/others similar. not anymore.
@@sverremoe4087 knew absolutely nothing about motorcycles/scooters when i first came onto the scene and these "look" the coolest for their price. obviously looks mean nothing
Cheaping out aint wrong, but know what you buy. Brands like CFMoto, GPX and Kove are rather cheap brands, from china, and have a good reputation. Given that GPX and Kove use Zongshen engines in some of their models (which I have plenty of experience with, they're really solid) there is nothing to worry about. But no name brands and small displacement? Usually a big no. When you see such a bike, the only good thing is usually the engine, because by the time you can properly review it without killing yourself, the bike either has been worked on or has broken.
bro... my first motorcycle was a chinese 750$ 50cc scooter when i was a kid. sadly i didnt know anything but i sold it nearly immediately and didnt lose much money. im NEVER EVER gonna buy a chinese motorcycle again. i see how it is possible for someone to buy one tho... and its sad
I'm wondering if your Tachometer was set to 2 cylinder, so it was reading in half? I can deal with the speedometer being off that much, all speedometers have errors (maybe not THAT much). But a tachometer being off by 1/2 is too insane (even for a Chinese bike)...
Your rpm meter is not true, you have to sensor the crankshaft and not the ignition on a 4-stroke. Thats why the bikes rpm is twice your meters, the engine turns 2 times/ignition.
I'm so grateful that you, of all the producers I watch put out not only one but several videos shitting on this bike. I honestly almost bought one. Thanks.
Well done, bro...more people need to start doing honest reviews of these cheap Chinese garbage bikes. 😏 I swear, it's like we have to constantly remind folks that you ALWAYS "get what you pay for."
Even my 1986 Honda CB 250 RS did 0-60 (0-100 km/h) in 9.0, and had 26 hp. Mind you, it had 4 valves and 2 exhaust ports (people thought it was a twin because of this). I think it was pretty much the same engine as on the CL 250, but with a valve lifter that made it easier to kickstart (only the Deluxe model had an electric starter).
idk if ur rpm reader is right bcus its a 4 stroke so surely it only reads the spark every 2 revolutions so then the rmp meter would be right or am i wrong?
What do you expect out of a 2200 dollar bike,i wouldn't expect a lot if i was just riding it around town. I'm not gonna be doing 150 on the interstate to compete with bigger bikes that cost 8 to 20k...
I want to know what can be done to it to make it a respectable bike. Can you hone the engine and install a larger piston. Update the PCM, and even update the sprockets. Looking forward to the dyno tests.
no it is a two valves those engines have low air admission, they are made for stable torque not horsepower, this engine is what it is, good for offroading, not on road
Back in 2000 i had a Derbi GPR-50R a 50cc 2 stroke. It's max speed was 62mph in perfect conditions, even it could get there in 19 seconds. On a 50cc, 24 years ago, man this sucks.
New subscriber. Was lookjnv to buy one from venom as a new rider to learn as the price look affordable. Thx for a genuine review. Gonna keep saving for the Yamaha MT-03
If they lowered the price/stripped it down and marketed it as an honest beginner's bike rather than a false superbike, it would probably be pretty decent for someone like me.
Honestly, have your fun with this POS and then get rid of it. This bike needs to be eliminated, take it to a range, send some lead down said range and hasta la vista baby 👍🏻
So come from a person who’s been researching this particular bike for the last year is this something you would still recommend and buy again if you had to do it all over again?
@@alberttrotter1566 It’s still in my garage waiting for the summer. Bought the thing 2 years ago and it still works perfectly. I bought it directly from Venom.
@@alberttrotter1566 My bike is in storage right now waiting for the summer. I bought it 2 years ago and it rides very nice. So yes definitely recommend. I bought it directly from Venom.
100 agree the tachometer that he put on was for a two-stroke the bike definitely sounded like it was idling around 800 RPM. And then he's using a bicycle speedometer on a motorcycle so that's going to be inaccurate as well
Bro that break down was incredibly awesome..class was definitely in session...I learned alot today..now I wanna challenge venom to ask them what am I really paying clearly 🤔 they lied on everything I hope they go down with the price also
Didn't it occur to you that there might be a clue in that the rpm measured was about half what was indicated on the bike's rev counter ? The engine is a 4 stroke and sparks once for each TWO revs of the engine. Did you allow for that in setting up your tacho ???
Did he check to see if the throttle was actually cracking the carb fully open? The fact that he didn't see over 6k rpms makes me think that the throttle cable adjustable might not have been right...because the Chinese make lots of clone engines and they typically perform similar to what they copy, just with less longevity.
Buy yourself a cheap smaller bike that's already been dropped. It won't hurt as much (emotionally)when you eventually drop it yourself. Any of the major brands will be ok. I wouldn't trust any Chinese made bike even if it was a known brand behind it.
No @ PunkRock101 you are better off with a kick ass bicycle, gives more dignity. I have a "Specialized" bicycle I love to ride when I can't twist the throttle.
tacho seems to be correct, i think you didn't install or set up the hour meter probably. Zongshen 200-230-250 engines are rated up to 9000rpm. My old Apollo RX250(zongshen 250 Liquidcooled engine) could hit 10K, measured with a laser rpm meter and a piece of white tape on the crankshaft.
I love the fact that you’re calling these douche bags out! It’s what’s needed cause there are people buying these pieces of garbage, can you imagine how pissed off he would be if you bought one of these got those results
OK, now do some performance upgrades that will add some HP, that would be a fun video for sure! Just 3-5 HP and some more toque will make the bike feel 10x better... I wonder if with $500 in upgrades you can get closer to a ninja 250?
you cant add 3 to 5 hp to that crap. first its single cam 2 valves low compression engine. maybe with a nitro kit if you want it to last 2 minutes. how can you ask for "just" 5 hp on a engine that produce 15 hp. it clearly show that like most people here , you dont mechanics at all
@@vintageludwig What I describe are the only correct ways to do it.But many (most?) motorcycle manufacturers routinely round the displacement to a nominal number for ease in describing an engine, not the exact number. This includes Honda.
Better then any small engine bikes honda is putting out. Google frame welds or quality for Hondapower sports 2022 or 2023. Why is Honda still giving you halogen bulbs in your blinkers and headlights ? You're paying the premium shouldn't you get full LEDs?
I' ll still buy it. The perfomance is not really important, reliability is. Too many TH-camrs just want to trash products for views. Thanks for the honest info but the slant is not needed
‼️ I DO NOT RECOMMEND ‼️ You would think a brand new motorcycles would last more that 4 months My perchase was a sportster chopper 250cc I received the motorcycle on April 19, 2023 the motorcycle had 5 damaged/ broken parts to it and when I received it. I called/emailed in about it and it was all a hassle. They proceeded to tell me that the the "warranty" only covers shipping of any replacement items after the first month. I recently called about a clutch cable that snapped in 4 months of owning the motorcycle and they sent the wrong replacement (still charged $24 shipping) and when I inquire they say it was installed incorrectly. (I had a motorcycle mechanic instal it) they refuse to assist and ship correct item and say you need to wait 24-48 hours to speak to a manager. ‼️ I DO NOT RECOMMEND ‼️
What's really bonkers is that I have a 110cc Honda Navi, and 0-30 looks way too close to that Venom, which is just unacceptable for a 250. It should be at 60 not too long after I get to 30.
It reminds me of a joke I once heard in Friends where Chandler was talking about his friend who had bent his radio antenna to make it look like he was driving faster.
Hi Jammie . I bought a boom almost 3 month didn’t send me a correct address on title till now cannot registration bike . They said on web advertising 250 cc efi w water cooling . I make sure asking is it water cooling I use cooling fluid said yes . But after open box no water cooling radiator , missing side wing panel screw text to ask for not answer , now I realize almost everything like you said so disappointing w china bike , thnk you very much , we know more about ,
Become a member at yammienoob.co and join the Discord! I'm hanging out with people every day on there!
Yeah but can you get it to balance point?
It is time.... Ride a KTM 200 Duke or ship a RC 200 here for a race bike 😂
You know yam while you are punching down on Chinese bikes you should get the lifan kpx250 from venom too! I was hard thinking about getting that bike before just spending extra money on a midsize Adv bike but still curious about it
My title said 223 cc I had one
More PopTart than Kipper for breakfast bless him
This bike made me realize my ninja 400 is actually a powerful bike for what it is.
N400 is a literal superbike compared to this POS lmao
@@yammienoobGreat sense of perspective 😂 I love my 400 🤓
To think I actually considered one of these China bikes as a first bike LOL.
I too ended up with the "standard beginner bike" Ninja 400. It makes this thing look like a bird scooter 😂
The Chinese should clone the Ninja 400cc engine and bring out an adv version to beat out the Versys x 300.
My 150cc tops out at 62 but with a few mods like a new high performance variator I might get to 65
That 0-60 time is the same as the 1984 Toyota Tarago van that I learned to drive in.
My very first car was a 1990 VW Polo Mk II with 55 rampant horse-power. It was by no means a fast car, but it would've eaten that Chinese Superbike for breakfast. From the numbers and from what I can see in the videos, this thing has holiday-rental-scooter/Honda SuperCub performance.
I'm waiting for the inevitable freakout from Venom once they discover these videos and how badly their plan to bribe a positive review out of you backfired
Time to rebrand! Goodbye venom! Hello [insert other word relating to a cool animal]!
Funny thing is he isnt the only TH-camr who did this exact thing with this bike lol
@@trentbryan7374SONIC-BOOM ANTI-VENOM. New name. Same pos bike .
Could you imagine the amount of editing that it would take to make that thing even halfway cool? Ha
Never let them know your next move 😂
The biggest mistake Venom made was trying to get Yam to speak positively about this abomination.
Very common on Chinese bikes. My first bike was Chinese and I thought people were speeding like crazy because according to my speedo I was going the speedlimit and people were aggressively passing me. It overreports by about 20%
holy shit. 20% is horrific. I thought my CBR250 reading at 10% was bad.
Jfc. And to think I was actually considering buying form them..
Yea, But you can get a decent spedo on any modern phone now. There's like so many app's and I've tested them. My current china bike is maybe off by like 4-5 MPH. This dude just went way to hard on this bike TBH. If your buying a china bike you know it's not gonna be be the best shiz. And on the old head's who ride have a stick up there ass of about the brand's they rep. And let's be real here. if you aint riding a china bike you prob are loaded or older and maybe loaded. Can't even get a Navi for under 5.4k in Austin out the door. And it's that or buy used. And I've run into less issues with china bike's then I ever did with used one's. Just don't be dumb and buy something online then go and ride it with zero knowledge on how to inspect your gear/bike. If your young you will NEVER be able to finance a bike, So.... I learned how to tune my china bike's to how I like them.
A lot of Chinese bikes have the speedometer installed backwards... 🕔
@@Mikesusendsadasdcyo teach me how to tune, like what did you use, I wanna give China bikes a try but mod it a little
to be fair, the CCs aren't off at all. almost all manufacturers round off their ccs to the nearest 50, bikes and cars
Yes and no, maybe the nearest 5 or 10, like the ford fiesta 1.25
@@justmechanicthings exceptions prove the rule.
@@Ghryst thats only name wise (like the ninja 500 which official specwise is a 451). Their specs claim 250... which is blatant false advertising
@@afridnishad6617never seen them advertise a 250cc measurement.
@@STOPPEDINCOLORADO"SuperBike 250cc Fuel-Injected Motorcycle | BD250-5 " This was their previous title after yam called them out, it's still available on a few old dropshippy sites
If I had this bike the first thing I'd do is change the tach so that, instead of numbers, it was just random pictures. "Yeah bro, the bike redlines at toaster, but you should probably shift at milk carton to stay in the power".
Then I'd convert the speedo to it's natural measurements, "hectares per sidereal day"
Americans will use anything but the metric system to measure.
like a riding lawn mower? ( rabbit means faster)
Thats good
I think the TTO was maybe reading exactly half of the actual RPM. There are different settings depending on what type of engine you use them on
Nail on head I think; 4 stroke engine sparking every other revolution, so reading half speed. Audibly that motor was doing much more than 5k.
@@derekm6236even when he revved it in the parking lot it definitely did reach 6k, 3k doesn't sound like that on a single cylinder, I think the Trail tech gauge is set for a wasted spark system
@@derekm6236Yeah, I own multiple single cylinders and that engine was easily doing 8500-9000.
@@mdzaid5925 lol no it wasnt
No dude these are cdi engines and they dont have cam position sensors they spark every revolution. you think the pick up coil ignores the contact on the flywheel every other revolution somehow??
thoughts on installing a NOS kit? this bike deserves to go out with a “boom”😅
I really want to see the turbo from the busa get put on it too!
Let's get that motor out of there and bore it out 30 or 60 thousandths
Pill it till ya k!ll it !
Make the Boom go BOOM!!! But be careful - nobody wants a connecting rod through the leg.
DO IT YAMS
You forget the price range of these rebranded Venom bikes, you can get a brand new bike from Venom in the range of $2,000-$3,300 depending on which one you pick. A ninja 250 used are selling around 3K, the new model that was supposed to be released this year was set to approximately $4,920. I personally don’t regret my Venom as a starter bike.
You get what u pay for.. china quality aint cheap
Same, and online people always say "buy a cheap used bike" and it's a lie for many of us.
In my area everyone sells used bikes at MSRP ever since COVID. Everyone today feels entitled to their full money back for bikes with tons of miles on them. People have lost their minds.
Makes sense to learn on a cheapy.
@@Vynzentyeah it’s pretty bad here in Vegas too.
I got a 2000 sv650 for 1800. 17.5k mi. I'm the third owner and the bike is mint. Tell me more about not regretting your purchase.
Your tachometer is counting electric pulses to the sparkplug so, since it is a four stroke engine, there will be two revolutions for each count in your tachometer.
Someone tell Yam how motors work. This comment should be higher!
eg fucken zactly!!
It ain't revving to 11k RPM dude lol
This comment is correct, spark ignites once per cycle and 4 strokes are two full rotations of the crankshaft.
If this was a two stroke engine then the ignition would be equivalent to the rotation.
@@yammienoob It doesn't rev up to 11k, but it does get to 10k just like a CRF230 does. The rest of the review, about the overall crapfullness of the thing is spot on. But you did mess up on that one.
Your tachs are perfectly synced, it’s counting electric pulses and it’s a four stroke with a wasted spark so it’s perfect spot on. Just multiply by two or change settings on your new tach
Man, you're really pissed off at them for trying to give you a bike in exchange for a good review. Well done, they deserved it!
hes pissed because the company is dangerous and could kill thousands of new riders looking for a budget bike trying to save money and enter the hobby.
Cant imagine anyone actually buying these bikes compared to used reputable brand, specially when comes to parts and service information. Quite competitive market
I got a bike from Venom, years before this video. Its a Lifan brand, got 7K miles on it now, I just do regular maintenance, fluids, chain adjustment, spark plug, valve clearance adjustment. Still zero issues, its a tank. Lol!
Lifan is a good bike brand
Well, it's a Lifan after all as opposed to the other bikes on Venom.
I too bought from them a Lifan KPM200 and it's awesome.
However I'm worried about buying any non-Lifan bikes from them.
Is the company reliable?
Saw a couple Lifans for a couple grand a pop at a dealer close to my house. Dont know much about Lifan, are they a good brand for beginner bikes?
The Honda 230 engine is legendarily reliable so a copy of that engine should also be bullet proof
"Slower than a dump truck" made me howl 😂
I was going to buy the Venom Ghost Chopper 250 as my first bike back in December. Thank God I decided against it and went with my Rebel 300.
Oh god
That company probably has deep regrets for their misplaced email 😂
lmao
That's bud light level of corporate fuck up.
No they dont,they are new capitalist, no shame just like their American idols
No ragrets
Everything you've said in this video, I concur. I own a Honda Super Cub AND a CSC San Gabriel "250", which is a rebranded ZongShen just like this Venom bike. Honestly, if they made a 150cc version of a Honda Super Cub, I'd gladly take that on the highway over this deathtrap. The first night I got it back, the centerstand spring just fell off, and I didn't realize it until the next morning. All throughout, the mirrors kept rattling so bad, I couldn't see anything behind me, and at random, the gears get stuck and you end up stalling because you can't put it back down in first from a fully stopped position. The spedometer is indeed 10% than your actual speeds. Save your money and your time.
I love the fact that you could have just made a video and called it, but instead you decide to destroy a whole company
liars hang from their own rope, just a little more effort and they might have got it to work maybe an engine from Harbor freight?
There's a lot of people around the world who'd be happy and content to own such a bike.
1st world problems
You know you're lookin at a high quality superbike when its 0-60 time is comparable to that of a decade-old dump truck
Bro i had this exact bike in the uk but 50CC (still with twin discs) and imagine how i felt in the hilliest part of the world! Had it for 2 months and sold for an aprilia 2 stroke, never regretted it
It would be really funny to see you guys port the engine and tune it up to give it a bit more power and see where it takes you
my guess would be a broken engine lol
dat .5 extra HP doe
Back to the shop in a hour
With a Chinese clone engine.... probably would either shred the insides of the engine or bolts would break and you wouldn't be able to put it back together
Into a ditch most likely.
I would be worried about the wheel bearing falling apart while riding. Or the chain breaking.
Ya , I wouldn't want my death certificate to say, "died due to boom Superbike deconstruction"
@@chas30012001He died due to owerspeeding the Boom-Boom with some bargirl..
@thomasauslander3757 that earned ya a laugh
Motorcycle goes *boom*
If the speedometer is wrong wouldn’t the odometer be wrong too?
My thoughts exactly, maybe he used the bicycle thingy for mileage as well as speed? It would be good to get that clarified though, as an overly optimistic odometer would mean even worse fuel mileage!
Lol yes it does. 😂 I have a BD-125 and before I corrected the Speedo it was 50% off making a 10 mile run look like 15! The manual recommends a 500 km break in period. I wonder if that is their miles or actual miles lol.
@@NICKELGHANDI well 500km is kilometers so it's not anybodys miles.
was it per chance showing 100 when it was going 60 mph?
i actuallly think your aftermarket ignition counter is off, too. that doesnt sound like 5k rpm at 5:52
honestly makes me kind of happy knowing there is atleast 1 bike that my honda civic could beat in a 0-60 lol
I have still yet to find a vehicle that my clapped out Honda accord could beat in a 0-60 race lol
Lmao bro a goddamn Prius from the 2000’s would kick this bikes ass 🤣🤣🤣
A Honda Civic, surely you have a 10 second car where you live your life a quarter mile at a time.
Yeah..but your civic would probably outlive u...😅
Remove all of the plastic fairings, fenders, and the seat. Replace the EFI with a carburetor. Put metal full fenders on both wheels. Put a springer seat on it. Put long bicycle style handlebars on it. Give it just an analog speedometer. Call it a JANUS and charge $10,000.
I lost it when he used a dump truck as a reference to 0-60 lmao
It's amusing to note, that when the Japanese (notably Honda) first started appearing (mostly UK I'm guessing, don't know how they were received in the States) they were scoffed at. Much like we do with incoming Chinese bikes such as this. BUT the Japanese machines were well built AND reliable. They had to be. Either the Chinese manufacturers will work that out, or not.
Japanese competed on quality and reliability, Chinese compete on being dirt cheap. When it inevitably breaks you just throw the POS away and buy a new one.
Some of the Chinese manufacturers are pretty reliable these days.
But generally the build quality of smaller manufacturers like zongshen are still complete dogshit unlike CFMOTO or QJ
That thing is a death trap on the highway. Imagine thinking you're doing 70 and in reality you're only doing 50.
It is also illegal
@@MieczyslawPawelKolenda not in California! its insane I have reported them to the DMV as well. I was a dummy to purchase a bike from them and this exact thing happened to me, I weigh 170 and when I started to incline I lost so much power, I thought I was going to get smashed. They lie so much on their site. "400lbs without compromising performance" ya.......................................................
You should confront Venom and report their response - That would be a gem of a video.
Is the tachometer set for a 2 stroke engine measuring the rpm as every power stroke for one revolution of the engine? A 4-stroke would have 2 revolutions of the crank and could be why the rpm is about half of what is claimed. The tacho yam put on is getting the signal from the ht lead.
I just made the same observation.
Yes it’s reading the spark not the rpm from what I can work out
I came here to say the same thing. Obviously his mechanical skills match his over expectations.
All being said, I've got a lovely old CM250T that can hit 90mph all day, 0-60 less than 10 seconds, and over 40 years old.
My guess as well. Many 4 stroke bikes use a wasted spark system, but not all, and not sure about this. But my guess is you are right
I have a 2020 KP Mini from Venom and now have 14,000 miles. Nibbi carb, ported intake, full exhaust, tires, chain, front and rear sprocket, all done before 250 miles. Im in like $4000. And it's been great. It's a 2006-2017 crf150 clone engine from lifan and it's better than Honda IMHO. I love the sight glass lol. I've had mine to 94 mph (gps,and follower) with gauge showing 100+. I only get about 45mpg with a 1.4g tank and that sucks. The fuel gauge is also wildly off. Shows empty flashing at half tank. BUT my bike is heavily modified guys. And I've had a great time making it a custom.
You should have Gixxerbrah test it to it's real limits! 🤣
NEED THIS
Gixxerbruh already did that. There's a video riding this bike on his channel.
I guess my question is about the MPG, did you use the inaccurate mileage from the stock speedo or the mileage from the good GPS? As the speedo being off that far 20% (50 claimed 40 actual) would be 41.7MPG or there about.
Good point
That alson means that people are not getting the number of miles they think they are! So if they say they have 500 miles on the bike they only really have about 450 or less!
Well I almost died today. Some kid pulled right out in front of me while I was doing 50. Tried braking but there wasn’t enough distance. I hit the back brakes a little too hard and skid but I think that allowed me to steer left and escaped into the middle lane. I locked eyes with the kid after I skid by him. He had the “oh crap” face and kept going. I pulled over to catch my bearings. I’d like to thank all the motorcycle youtubers. Stay safe
@PapaYammie01 told me you had somehting special for me too and all it was pictures of his hairy bunghole. It wasn't special at all 😢. 0/10 don't recommend.
What has this revelation got to do with crap Chinese motorcycles?
Did you want to talk about Chinese motorcycles here? I think cf moto isn’t bad. How bout you? Any experience with Chinese motorcycles? Were you planning on getting one til you watched this 8 month old video?
@@johnstiles6663 I'm certainly not interested in your bs near miss story, but as you ask, I've had a few Chinese bikes brought to my shop and yes, they're every bit as rubbish as this one and no, I'm not thinking of buying one in the same way as I'd never buy a Hardley Ableson.
Perhaps your story might go down better on one of those crash compilations?
To be fair I probably did put it on one of dans videos. Idk it was 8 months ago. Yes I’ve had Chinese stuff in my shop too. They suck. I have only had a cf moto 4 wheeler come in tho no bikes and I was kinda impressed with cf moto. It’s not as reliable as Japanese but you do get a lot of features for the money. I don’t like Harley’s either. I probably will never buy a cf moto tho. I like Japanese bikes. Only ever owned kawasaki but mostly because of right place right time and abundance in my area
Is it a good starter bike? As far as balance weight and part price. I don’t mind if the speed is like a scooter just need a good reliable backpack starter bike
They must seriously regret sending that contract 😂
Wait for an offer to remove this video in exchange for something
My friend has one. Played with sprockets and managed to get 70 out of it.
CHALLENGE: Take the price difference between this bike and a new Ninja 250 and see if you can improve this bike with it, make it more fun to ride than the Ninja, or cooler.
lol. For the extra 2 grand, you could buy a used 650 motor to drop in it.
@@RandysRides I agree but where is the challenge?
What really worries me is: do OTHER motorcycle brands, like the bigger ones, ask the reviewers to hide the defects?
“Your going to have trouble keeping up with your local dump truck if you are driving a boom” 🤣😂🤣😂🤣❤️
Is the bike good enough for a 16yo to go school 4 miles away?
Yes
yammie, i'd like to thank you for potentially saving me thousands of dollars. at one point early in my quest for my first motorcycle i looked into this bike company/others similar. not anymore.
why would you even consider it xD
@@sverremoe4087 knew absolutely nothing about motorcycles/scooters when i first came onto the scene and these "look" the coolest for their price. obviously looks mean nothing
Cheaping out aint wrong, but know what you buy. Brands like CFMoto, GPX and Kove are rather cheap brands, from china, and have a good reputation. Given that GPX and Kove use Zongshen engines in some of their models (which I have plenty of experience with, they're really solid) there is nothing to worry about. But no name brands and small displacement? Usually a big no. When you see such a bike, the only good thing is usually the engine, because by the time you can properly review it without killing yourself, the bike either has been worked on or has broken.
@@darko_lengkeek-jakupovic i appreciate this reply a lot, thank you Darko!
bro... my first motorcycle was a chinese 750$ 50cc scooter when i was a kid. sadly i didnt know anything but i sold it nearly immediately and didnt lose much money. im NEVER EVER gonna buy a chinese motorcycle again. i see how it is possible for someone to buy one tho... and its sad
I'm wondering if your Tachometer was set to 2 cylinder, so it was reading in half? I can deal with the speedometer being off that much, all speedometers have errors (maybe not THAT much). But a tachometer being off by 1/2 is too insane (even for a Chinese bike)...
I hope you can get a 450SS to try out. Would love to see it running with the RC390 and a Ninja 400 on the track.
That would be cool.
I have a ktm390 bike sucks new overheating all time bike is ass
Your rpm meter is not true, you have to sensor the crankshaft and not the ignition on a 4-stroke. Thats why the bikes rpm is twice your meters, the engine turns 2 times/ignition.
By this time, I think you secretly love this " bike "
He does. In six months he'll drop the "Why I love my BOOM 229" vid.
@@adamduncan1589 The BOOM 229 vids are always fun
Out of all the languages in the world bro chose to spit facts 💯
Same with the Gixxer 250
Its a good marketing stratergy tbh. The company is not forcing yammie to priase it yet we keep on seeing this bike.
I'm so grateful that you, of all the producers I watch put out not only one but several videos shitting on this bike. I honestly almost bought one. Thanks.
without a price comparison this means nothing or are you saying the two bikes cost the same? it's nice that you are clear on this
Well done, bro...more people need to start doing honest reviews of these cheap Chinese garbage bikes. 😏
I swear, it's like we have to constantly remind folks that you ALWAYS "get what you pay for."
lol ok man you got me. I don’t want to pay msrp for a gold wing with 200,000 miles on it
Even my 1986 Honda CB 250 RS did 0-60 (0-100 km/h) in 9.0, and had 26 hp.
Mind you, it had 4 valves and 2 exhaust ports (people thought it was a twin because of this). I think it was pretty much the same engine as on the CL 250, but with a valve lifter that made it easier to kickstart (only the Deluxe model had an electric starter).
idk if ur rpm reader is right bcus its a 4 stroke so surely it only reads the spark every 2 revolutions so then the rmp meter would be right or am i wrong?
You're wrong. The magneto used fires on every revolution even though it's 4-stroke. His readings are correct.
@@UTubeHandlesSuck ok
What do you expect out of a 2200 dollar bike,i wouldn't expect a lot if i was just riding it around town.
I'm not gonna be doing 150 on the interstate to compete with bigger bikes that cost 8 to 20k...
The rear tire appears to be installed backwards.
Yams not sure why it's shutting off randomly...Its because its a auto stop-start with manual startup. FUEL SAVING!
Thank you for rejecting their money and making videos showing this shit, it helps new riders know to look out for suspicious things
just tell yourself it is really a 175 cc and you might like it?
That’s y I prefer CFmoto over anything
These engines have a soft spot in my heart. Over the last 11+yrs iv built a very nasty 155cc version
I want to know what can be done to it to make it a respectable bike. Can you hone the engine and install a larger piston. Update the PCM, and even update the sprockets. Looking forward to the dyno tests.
no it is a two valves those engines have low air admission, they are made for stable torque not horsepower, this engine is what it is, good for offroading, not on road
The way to make this thing respectable is scrap it and buy a motorcycle.
Change the gearing & carb
Suzuki's T350 Hustler had only a displacement of 315cc, which was only 10cc more than the Suzuki T305 Raider, but cost a whole lot more.
3:03 The bike actually looks really good in this angle lol
Back in 2000 i had a Derbi GPR-50R a 50cc 2 stroke. It's max speed was 62mph in perfect conditions, even it could get there in 19 seconds. On a 50cc, 24 years ago, man this sucks.
Have you checked the valves on this thing ? Most of the Chinese bikes are out of spec from the start .
The dump truck comparison was gold! 😂😂😂
Pretty great consumer reporting to be honest; def wanna see a KPM/R 200 given the Yammiscope.
New subscriber. Was lookjnv to buy one from venom as a new rider to learn as the price look affordable. Thx for a genuine review. Gonna keep saving for the Yamaha MT-03
Smart move!
Really liked this video. Enjoy the idea of fact checking rogue/niche bikes out there. More please 😁
If they lowered the price/stripped it down and marketed it as an honest beginner's bike rather than a false superbike, it would probably be pretty decent for someone like me.
I feel u have literally saved lives with the couple videos u have done on this bike.
A stock 250cc is NOT going to do 90 mph. Not even close.
Honestly, have your fun with this POS and then get rid of it. This bike needs to be eliminated, take it to a range, send some lead down said range and hasta la vista baby 👍🏻
I PERSONALLY love the unit. It rides like a beauty. I don’t get the hate. For a price like that, def worth every penny.
So come from a person who’s been researching this particular bike for the last year is this something you would still recommend and buy again if you had to do it all over again?
@@alberttrotter1566 It’s still in my garage waiting for the summer. Bought the thing 2 years ago and it still works perfectly. I bought it directly from Venom.
@@alberttrotter1566 My bike is in storage right now waiting for the summer. I bought it 2 years ago and it rides very nice. So yes definitely recommend. I bought it directly from Venom.
that tachometer was definitely set to read a 2 stroke, the engine actually sounded like the rpm the bike was showing
100 agree the tachometer that he put on was for a two-stroke the bike definitely sounded like it was idling around 800 RPM. And then he's using a bicycle speedometer on a motorcycle so that's going to be inaccurate as well
This is THE BEST video you’ve done Bro!
Even if its not as powerful as advertised, i would still be happy to own something like this because its still a motorcycle and motorcycles are fun.
Just because it has 2 wheels and shape of a motorcycle does make it motorcycle for fun $ at most it is commutator to take to places .
Bro that break down was incredibly awesome..class was definitely in session...I learned alot today..now I wanna challenge venom to ask them what am I really paying clearly 🤔 they lied on everything I hope they go down with the price also
Didn't it occur to you that there might be a clue in that the rpm measured was about half what was indicated on the bike's rev counter ?
The engine is a 4 stroke and sparks once for each TWO revs of the engine. Did you allow for that in setting up your tacho ???
Did he check to see if the throttle was actually cracking the carb fully open? The fact that he didn't see over 6k rpms makes me think that the throttle cable adjustable might not have been right...because the Chinese make lots of clone engines and they typically perform similar to what they copy, just with less longevity.
There is no carb.
A 4 stroke single doesn't sound like that at only 6k rpm.
I've wanted to ride my entire life basically and have never got the chance and I'm 35 now. I still wouldn't take that bike for free. 😂
Buy yourself a cheap smaller bike that's already been dropped. It won't hurt as much (emotionally)when you eventually drop it yourself. Any of the major brands will be ok. I wouldn't trust any Chinese made bike even if it was a known brand behind it.
No @ PunkRock101 you are better off with a kick ass bicycle, gives more dignity. I have a "Specialized" bicycle I love to ride when I can't twist the throttle.
Get a ktm 125/200 if available..for starters...
If ur a cruiser guy..RE would be a great option
@@nicerides9224 exactly , biking carries enough risks without riding a complete pile of un-trustworthy shite.
Free? I would grab this up for free in a heart beat
Great video, Boom or Venom or whatever they are called should have this video up on their webpage so that everyone can watch before buying!
We have the same name lol spelled exactly the Same way too . First time I see someone with me
tacho seems to be correct, i think you didn't install or set up the hour meter probably. Zongshen 200-230-250 engines are rated up to 9000rpm. My old Apollo RX250(zongshen 250 Liquidcooled engine) could hit 10K, measured with a laser rpm meter and a piece of white tape on the crankshaft.
you can hear its over 5k rpm flat out
My 1974 Honda XL 125 redlined at 8k!
Thank you for being honest bro 😎 take care and God bless….
I love the fact that you’re calling these douche bags out! It’s what’s needed cause there are people buying these pieces of garbage, can you imagine how pissed off he would be if you bought one of these got those results
OK, now do some performance upgrades that will add some HP, that would be a fun video for sure! Just 3-5 HP and some more toque will make the bike feel 10x better... I wonder if with $500 in upgrades you can get closer to a ninja 250?
you cant add 3 to 5 hp to that crap. first its single cam 2 valves low compression engine. maybe with a nitro kit if you want it to last 2 minutes. how can you ask for "just" 5 hp on a engine that produce 15 hp. it clearly show that like most people here , you dont mechanics at all
They're likely counting counting the combustion chamber as the extra 25-30cc's of the claimed 250 cc
No. That would only be used in a compression ratio calculation. Displacement is simply a function of bore and stroke.
@doughoffman9463 Yeah, that's normally true, but with these overseas manufacturers they'll use that to bolster their products.
@@vintageludwig What I describe are the only correct ways to do it.But many (most?) motorcycle manufacturers routinely round the displacement to a nominal number for ease in describing an engine, not the exact number. This includes Honda.
this video makes my ninja 250r seem like a missile and i'm all for it
I'd be curious to see your breakdown of one of the 'better' chinese bikes like the KPR200
Better then any small engine bikes honda is putting out. Google frame welds or quality for Hondapower sports 2022 or 2023. Why is Honda still giving you halogen bulbs in your blinkers and headlights ? You're paying the premium shouldn't you get full LEDs?
that kpr 200 is slower than their enduros, and shoud not be ridden on roads with speeds over 60 mph!
I see what you did at 4:18 you doubled the bike's value! :D
I' ll still buy it. The perfomance is not really important, reliability is. Too many TH-camrs just want to trash products for views. Thanks for the honest info but the slant is not needed
Ni hao mofo.
The problem with these bikes though is the engines don't last...
Do yourself a favor and buy a reputable brand!
Why does the back tire look like it's mounted the wrong way on the wheel?
Has Venom/Boom reached out to you after all these videos? lol
They haven't! I will continue beating on this bike until they do lol
LMAOOO
i have the venom x22r 250cc i’m guessing it’s also fake?
bought it as my first bike used off someone
‼️ I DO NOT RECOMMEND ‼️
You would think a brand new motorcycles would last more that 4 months
My perchase was a sportster chopper 250cc I received the motorcycle on April 19, 2023 the motorcycle had 5 damaged/ broken parts to it and when I received it. I called/emailed in about it and it was all a hassle. They proceeded to tell me that the the "warranty" only covers shipping of any replacement items after the first month. I recently called about a clutch cable that snapped in 4 months of owning the motorcycle and they sent the wrong replacement (still charged $24 shipping) and when I inquire they say it was installed incorrectly. (I had a motorcycle mechanic instal it) they refuse to assist and ship correct item and say you need to wait 24-48 hours to speak to a manager.
‼️ I DO NOT RECOMMEND ‼️
If you were doing an mpg test, why have it sat bashing the limiter in 4th rather than kick up into 6th to get a true reading
What's really bonkers is that I have a 110cc Honda Navi, and 0-30 looks way too close to that Venom, which is just unacceptable for a 250. It should be at 60 not too long after I get to 30.
It reminds me of a joke I once heard in Friends where Chandler was talking about his friend who had bent his radio antenna to make it look like he was driving faster.
great work...enjoyed every minute of this..thank you
Hi Jammie . I bought a boom almost 3 month didn’t send me a correct address on title till now cannot registration bike . They said on web advertising 250 cc efi w water cooling . I make sure asking is it water cooling I use cooling fluid said yes . But after open box no water cooling radiator , missing side wing panel screw text to ask for not answer , now I realize almost everything like you said so disappointing w china bike , thnk you very much , we know more about ,