@@nolansawyer2229 I mean don’t get me wrong I love drum corps today as well it’s just that there will be nothing like the sound of 70’s/80’s drum corps back then shows where not necessarily about a certain theme or story it was more about playing good enjoyable music and weather you like it or not it was that mindset that’s given most corps their identity.
Drum and bugle Corps, I'm talking about the real ones not the marching bands of today. More people attended drum and bugle Corps competition, then going to Major League Baseball games. The national championships would come up to approximately 60,000 people in attendance, DCI, they are lucky to have between eighteen and twenty thousand in attendance. What does that tell you? More people would rather see, a real drum and bugle Corps. DCI is the same as bands of America. TC I should change, its name from Drum Corps International, to marching band International. Just call it what it really is. If I told somebody would you like to go see a drum and bugle Corps competition and they agreed and we went to DC I, they would say to me, why did you lie to me you said we were going to see drum and bugle Corps has not marching bands. It's as simple as that
My Guardsmen corps did not make finals in 1975, so we bought tickets for the show. 75 was my first year. It was not an easy adjustment for me to go from marching band to drum corps. I was not sure I wanted to march in 76. Seeing corps live and this wonderful closer from Madison Scouts convinced me to stay with Guardsmen for 1976. It paid off. We made finals in 76. Thank you Madison! Powerful corps with style and class!
I love hearing this again. I love hearing the starting and closing gun. Kids today have missed a whole lot of things that they'll never be able to appreciate! I saw a show last night in Evansville and actually MISSED seeing the judges running around on the field! We used to be very proud of taking out a judge in our show!!!
I was there that night....this was my rookie year with the New York Lancers Drum and Bugle corps from the Bronx, NY. This is why I'm still a fan in 2014
Metzger was the best! I don't care what anyone says about Noonan, or Brady, or the kid from Kilties or anyone else, that CAT COULD PLAY!!! Great tone quality! He was also one of a few GREAT SCREACHERS of ALL TIME! Listen to Madison from 1973 to 1977, and I beg you to come up with a better soprano player in those 5 years! If you can, I'll eat my words, but I guarantee you I will go hungry! I saw him, in 1974, at ,DCI Prelims, get a fat lip from playing basket ball, the day of prelims. He went out and had a FANTASTIC show! They were AMAZING in '74! In '75 they were even better!
I did love the classic shows of that era (including the entrance, retreat, and gunshots). The first time I saw the Scouts retreat playing You'll Never Walk Alone (leaving solo soprano alone) in late 60's... I was awed.
I experienced this show and it was one of my favorite competitions of all times. Music was magnificent as well was the entire guard drill and so was the marching and maneuvering. That performance was so stunning and it made every person scream who they were because it made you proud to be who you were! Hats off to all my fellow Corps artists. Everyone deserves respect and I love each and everyone of my dci family. We will be totally honored together again. Don’t loose faith. We are stronger than this Covid 19. Wear your masks but get out of your house and stand tall!!❤️
Just for some information for you, covid-19 was not illegal to begin with Footlocker 8 99.9 percent. Until Pelosi installed one of our cohorts then things changed 180 degrees. Also if you read the box that the mask came in, it clearly stated will not prevent a virus. It was all about power and control my work I'm asked you submitted to that demands. Plus you're breathing in pathogens all day long, soon as you adjust the mask you've compromised it. It's some point in time you may end up with respiratory issues, and that is your fault for wearing the mask, that was mandated that you wear. That was it illegal as well mandates are illegal
This entire time listening to this on my mp3/phone, I NEVER knew those were "gun shots!" I thought it was part of the show with a huge slapstick. The more you know, I guess!
I was there in person at Franklin Field, I sat through all the prelims, and then the finals. I'm a nation had some really top-notch drum and bugle Corps. May they all rest in peace. Today we no longer have a real drum and bugle Corps. In my opinion thanks to DCI they turn the activity into a marching band competition, superimposed on a three ring circus.
The Gunshot, was the first moving of the drunk or entering the field on the starting line, the last gunshot, what's the tell the judges stop judging. Anything after the last gunshot was not counted. So if you made a mistake did not go against you after the last gunshot. The gunshots strictly used for timing
BITD, judging was a combination of tics (mistakes taking away points) and GE (buildup). The shows were to be between 11:30 and 13 minutes long. The starting gun was fired at the start of the show signifying judging to start. At 11:30 the second gun was fired, indicating all field/tic judging was to stop but GE continued. At 13 minutes a 3rd gun was fired indicating going over time and corresponding penalties.
At 11min. The gun was a warning you had 2 minutes to clear the field. The next shot was when the last person crossed the finish line, that's when the execution would stop.
The judges had to stop judging execution at 11:30 minutes. The G.E. judges continued to judge until the end of the show, which had to end before the 13 minute mark or there would be penalties for going overtime.
Wait! This is Franklin Field in Philly! I WAS at that show. I was in a corp from Vestal, NY called the Grenadiers. We were out in prelims, so I watched this show from the bleachers!
That was the timing judge's signal at the beginning of the show and at the 11:30 mark he fired the gun. After the 11:30 mark all execution judges were to leave the field and stop judging. GE judges only carried on to the end.
It started the first movement of the drum corps stepping off the starting line oh, that was the first gun shot second gunshot tell the judges to stop judging.
Face it. It's just as hokey to have grown men dressed as boy scouts marching military style to a sentimental Streisand song and spinning rifles like batons. This looks just as ridiculous as today's prancing. Yes, modern dance has overtaken drum corps, and it looks chaotic and exaggerated and deranged. But so does this. The whole thing is ridiculous. No one era is any less ridiculous than any other era. In a way, it's more authentic to be prancing today than it is to be be marching with military bearing to a maudlin pop song. Yes, military style emotional containment worked for many years, but not for everything. And yes, military bearing gives that pressure cooker of emotion, but in a certain way these performers look closeted and mentally deranged, and like they go back to the orphanage after the show and have their buttocks beaten bloody. This looks like a case of Stockholm syndrome in a military school for boys. Military style productions are dead, thankfully. The days of the military industrial complex are nearly vanquished. Most military operations have been privatized so that defense companies can make enormous profits under the guise of defending our country, and are now in hiding because they don't want the $700 billion in annual support to be cut. The need for public displays of military might, military bearing, and jingoistic displays of the American flag are over. But now the pendulum has swung too far to the left with outlandish displays of modern dance, improvised drill and a lack of precision. The current shows lack a central point of focus. The current shows lack showmanship and unison maneuvers. And although the current shows are much more creative and artistically meritorious, current shows lack emotional containment. But they're sure a lot more sane looking than this inauthentic, almost paranoid military style.
Jesu Spectre I mean no matter what you think drum corps was pretty much started in the military and built off of military values and are still militarized till this day otherwise there would not be such close attention to detail no matter how drum corps changes they will never lose the military influence they have btw there are some corps out there who still do military style shows and movements
@@Quasi freedom of speech you can make a comment but you're way off. More people attended drum and bugle Corps competition then the people that attended Major League Baseball. You have absolutely no idea what you're talkin about. There were over 7000 drum and bugle Corps in the United States and Canada combined. Only about 20 to 25 per cent or marching and maneuvering from course the others were feeder course to the junior course many just marched in parades many didn't stand still competition and parades. But they were all supported by their local communities. The communities with support and attend local competitions feeling the stadiums and even overflowing crowd that would be on the backfield, standing-room-only in many many of the local competitions. You don't see that today. The members come from all over the country if not from other countries. Most people have no idea what these marching bands are, and for the most part they care less. Many cities throughout the United States, miss having a drum and bugle Corps representing their, American Legion, VFW, or local church. It was one of the greatest youth activities throughout the entire, United States and Canada. And kids were encouraged after they aged out at the age 21 they were encouraged to go onto a senior drum and bugle Corps. That's why seniors with fantastic far superior than most unions because they had all sorts of real talent joining their organization. I'm a former member of the Long Island Sunrisers, State national and world champions. Many of the members came in from Junior drum and bugle Corps., as they aged out
I miss this kind of drum corps loud and proud
And to the crowd
I don't miss that, it seems so boring and also very military. The ideas today are so much better in my opinion.
@@nolansawyer2229 I mean don’t get me wrong I love drum corps today as well it’s just that there will be nothing like the sound of 70’s/80’s drum corps back then shows where not necessarily about a certain theme or story it was more about playing good enjoyable music and weather you like it or not it was that mindset that’s given most corps their identity.
Drum and bugle Corps, I'm talking about the real ones not the marching bands of today. More people attended drum and bugle Corps competition, then going to Major League Baseball games. The national championships would come up to approximately 60,000 people in attendance, DCI, they are lucky to have between eighteen and twenty thousand in attendance. What does that tell you? More people would rather see, a real drum and bugle Corps. DCI is the same as bands of America. TC I should change, its name from Drum Corps International, to marching band International. Just call it what it really is. If I told somebody would you like to go see a drum and bugle Corps competition and they agreed and we went to DC I, they would say to me, why did you lie to me you said we were going to see drum and bugle Corps has not marching bands. It's as simple as that
@@americanspirit8932 I agree you can not call it drum and bugle corps when they don’t even march bugles anymore
It never gets old! MadFan since 1973!
Best closer in drum corps history
I dont know. Danny boy 75 27 was pretty damn exciting
@@earlviney5212 Let It Be Me- Spirit 1979 & 80.
The 4 dislikes on this video are from Muchachos members, change my mind...
My Guardsmen corps did not make finals in 1975, so we bought tickets for the show. 75 was my first year. It was not an easy adjustment for me to go from marching band to drum corps. I was not sure I wanted to march in 76. Seeing corps live and this wonderful closer from Madison Scouts convinced me to stay with Guardsmen for 1976. It paid off. We made finals in 76. Thank you Madison! Powerful corps with style and class!
THE SCOUTS WILL ALWAYS BE MY FAVORITE DRUM CORPS OF ALL TIME!
One of the all time great closers.
Right on
I love hearing this again. I love hearing the starting and closing gun. Kids today have missed a whole lot of things that they'll never be able to appreciate! I saw a show last night in Evansville and actually MISSED seeing the judges running around on the field! We used to be very proud of taking out a judge in our show!!!
We did too! I used to down at least one judge by suddenly changing direction from forward to rear!
I was there that night....this was my rookie year with the New York Lancers Drum and Bugle corps from the Bronx, NY. This is why I'm still a fan in 2014
Wasn't this Corps called the Auburn Purple Lancers in 1974?
I was there also, with the Pioneer Drum & Bugle Corps. It was an electric finals!
@@jayneharmon1889 no they were never called that. The purple lances were from upstate New York, they were a great Junior drum and bugle Corps
Metzger was the best! I don't care what anyone says about Noonan, or Brady, or the kid from Kilties or anyone else, that CAT COULD PLAY!!! Great tone quality! He was also one of a few GREAT SCREACHERS of ALL TIME! Listen to Madison from 1973 to 1977, and I beg you to come up with a better soprano player in those 5 years! If you can, I'll eat my words, but I guarantee you I will go hungry! I saw him, in 1974, at ,DCI Prelims, get a fat lip from playing basket ball, the day of prelims. He went out and had a FANTASTIC show! They were AMAZING in '74! In '75 they were even better!
I did love the classic shows of that era (including the entrance, retreat, and gunshots).
The first time I saw the Scouts retreat playing You'll Never Walk Alone (leaving solo soprano alone) in late 60's... I was awed.
PRECISION, PRECISION, PRECISION !!!!!
as a 14 year old, this would have been out of the times to me, but age brings wisdom, and I understand the spirit of it now. That was pretty good.
Iove how that one riflemen played off almost dropping his rifle at 0:47
I experienced this show and it was one of my favorite competitions of all times. Music was magnificent as well was the entire guard drill and so was the marching and maneuvering. That performance was so stunning and it made every person scream who they were because it made you proud to be who you were! Hats off to all my fellow Corps artists. Everyone deserves respect and I love each and everyone of my dci family. We will be totally honored together again. Don’t loose faith. We are stronger than this Covid 19. Wear your masks but get out of your house and stand tall!!❤️
Just for some information for you, covid-19 was not illegal to begin with Footlocker 8 99.9 percent. Until Pelosi installed one of our cohorts then things changed 180 degrees. Also if you read the box that the mask came in, it clearly stated will not prevent a virus. It was all about power and control my work I'm asked you submitted to that demands. Plus you're breathing in pathogens all day long, soon as you adjust the mask you've compromised it. It's some point in time you may end up with respiratory issues, and that is your fault for wearing the mask, that was mandated that you wear. That was it illegal as well mandates are illegal
Epic & timeless !!
This entire time listening to this on my mp3/phone, I NEVER knew those were "gun shots!" I thought it was part of the show with a huge slapstick.
The more you know, I guess!
Look at that MARCHING ! ankle bone to knee bone.
1:19-1:24 ~~ SCV in the background saying... "nope not this year for us"
Which is wild because they had a fantastic show themselves but this closer sealed the deal for the Mighty Men of Madison.
Watch Madison Scouts many times in 75 at several competitions, and if I recall they won every single competition that I attended that year
Madison scouts at Franklin Field.. University of Pennsylvania... Those were the days. In
I was there in person at Franklin Field, I sat through all the prelims, and then the finals. I'm a nation had some really top-notch drum and bugle Corps. May they all rest in peace. Today we no longer have a real drum and bugle Corps. In my opinion thanks to DCI they turn the activity into a marching band competition, superimposed on a three ring circus.
Yea!
we used this song as our band closer in 1976, of course it didn’t sound this good.
At 0:38 when you hear those two judges fire their starter pistols.....that gets your attention.....time for the "big finish" and get off the field....
Scouts soloists always sounded ahead in years
Man, that last note...
Chris Metzger was GIANT among men when it came to screaming! He was an amazing talent!
thanks
Wish to see more of 1975
You should look at the drum and bugle Corps activities, prior to DCI up too early 90s when things went really downhill in my opinion
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It's a signal to the Judges to leave the field.
The Gunshot, was the first moving of the drunk or entering the field on the starting line, the last gunshot, what's the tell the judges stop judging. Anything after the last gunshot was not counted. So if you made a mistake did not go against you after the last gunshot. The gunshots strictly used for timing
I am a former member of the Long Island Sunrisers senior drum and bugle Corps.
The Madison Boy Scouts 💚💚💚
That's how they started out as a Boy Scout organization, at some point they severed the boy scout,
Tubas gumpin 1:21
are they not on the field anymore?
Ben Katz they are?
Can someone please explain to me the significance of the gunshots?
Chase Manhart almost positive it means the judges need to leave the field.
BITD, judging was a combination of tics (mistakes taking away points) and GE (buildup). The shows were to be between 11:30 and 13 minutes long. The starting gun was fired at the start of the show signifying judging to start. At 11:30 the second gun was fired, indicating all field/tic judging was to stop but GE continued. At 13 minutes a 3rd gun was fired indicating going over time and corresponding penalties.
At 11min. The gun was a warning you had 2 minutes to clear the field. The next shot was when the last person crossed the finish line, that's when the execution would stop.
The judges had to stop judging execution at 11:30 minutes. The G.E. judges continued to judge until the end of the show, which had to end before the 13 minute mark or there would be penalties for going overtime.
I think I was at that show. Where was this?
Wait! This is Franklin Field in Philly! I WAS at that show. I was in a corp from Vestal, NY called the Grenadiers. We were out in prelims, so I watched this show from the bleachers!
what is the point of the gunshot
That was the timing judge's signal at the beginning of the show and at the 11:30 mark he fired the gun. After the 11:30 mark all execution judges were to leave the field and stop judging. GE judges only carried on to the end.
It started the first movement of the drum corps stepping off the starting line oh, that was the first gun shot second gunshot tell the judges to stop judging.
Straight up horns and drums (and flags and rifles)! Not dancing and prancing!
And now drum corps is nothing more than a theatrical performance with dancing girls and boys running and prancing all over the place.
Face it. It's just as hokey to have grown men dressed as boy scouts marching military style to a sentimental Streisand song and spinning rifles like batons. This looks just as ridiculous as today's prancing. Yes, modern dance has overtaken drum corps, and it looks chaotic and exaggerated and deranged. But so does this. The whole thing is ridiculous. No one era is any less ridiculous than any other era. In a way, it's more authentic to be prancing today than it is to be be marching with military bearing to a maudlin pop song. Yes, military style emotional containment worked for many years, but not for everything. And yes, military bearing gives that pressure cooker of emotion, but in a certain way these performers look closeted and mentally deranged, and like they go back to the orphanage after the show and have their buttocks beaten bloody. This looks like a case of Stockholm syndrome in a military school for boys.
Military style productions are dead, thankfully. The days of the military industrial complex are nearly vanquished. Most military operations have been privatized so that defense companies can make enormous profits under the guise of defending our country, and are now in hiding because they don't want the $700 billion in annual support to be cut. The need for public displays of military might, military bearing, and jingoistic displays of the American flag are over.
But now the pendulum has swung too far to the left with outlandish displays of modern dance, improvised drill and a lack of precision. The current shows lack a central point of focus. The current shows lack showmanship and unison maneuvers. And although the current shows are much more creative and artistically meritorious, current shows lack emotional containment. But they're sure a lot more sane looking than this inauthentic, almost paranoid military style.
Tbh new drum corp looks so lame but the old drum corp looks stupid
Jesu Spectre I mean no matter what you think drum corps was pretty much started in the military and built off of military values and are still militarized till this day otherwise there would not be such close attention to detail no matter how drum corps changes they will never lose the military influence they have btw there are some corps out there who still do military style shows and movements
@@Quasi freedom of speech you can make a comment but you're way off. More people attended drum and bugle Corps competition then the people that attended Major League Baseball. You have absolutely no idea what you're talkin about. There were over 7000 drum and bugle Corps in the United States and Canada combined. Only about 20 to 25 per cent or marching and maneuvering from course the others were feeder course to the junior course many just marched in parades many didn't stand still competition and parades. But they were all supported by their local communities. The communities with support and attend local competitions feeling the stadiums and even overflowing crowd that would be on the backfield, standing-room-only in many many of the local competitions. You don't see that today. The members come from all over the country if not from other countries. Most people have no idea what these marching bands are, and for the most part they care less. Many cities throughout the United States, miss having a drum and bugle Corps representing their, American Legion, VFW, or local church. It was one of the greatest youth activities throughout the entire, United States and Canada. And kids were encouraged after they aged out at the age 21 they were encouraged to go onto a senior drum and bugle Corps. That's why seniors with fantastic far superior than most unions because they had all sorts of real talent joining their organization. I'm a former member of the Long Island Sunrisers, State national and world champions. Many of the members came in from Junior drum and bugle Corps., as they aged out
@@americanspirit8932 literally what are you even talking about?
Is that SCV waiting to perform, knowing they’d lose by 1.5? 😅