Resin bound surfacing is pretty mind blowing, right? 🤯If you'd like to make an enquiry please visit rhinosurfaces.co.uk/contact/ and get in touch! - Mitch, Team Rhino.
Hey - thanks! Interestingly some of the clips in the video are from surfaces which have been down at our HQ for c.6-7 years now, and still drain just the same as they did the day they were installed, some of our customers surfaces have been down even longer and we've not experienced any issues. 🙂 - Mitch, Team Rhino.
Very good in many ways but for sub base, compacted mot type 1 is not technically permeable because the fines lock it together way too tightly. At your rate of 25 ltrs per/m it would soak into that type 1 and take a rrally long time to drain away or evaporate. Homeowners would only discover years down the line when they realise they have a major damp issue, algae and mould growing everywhere. What’s the answer, well it is mot type 3 which does not go down to dust. You can whacker it all you like but water will pass through even faster than the surface. Installers are afraid of it because when first whacked there is a bit of point load movement as it doesn’t lock as tightly as type 1. But even with something like an interlocked truckgrid system parking lorries over it will not cause rutting. So it’s fully stable once you lay anything to spread the load over anything more than about 1/2 m2.
Thanks for the comment. Your theory is correct and that is why the performance of this product is determined by all of the construction elements - not just the sub base. In managing surface water drainage, the objective is for driveways to manage surface water as well as, if not better than natural ground cover (hence why planning permission is required if traditional, non-permeable constructions are installed). The aim of a resin surface and our permeable base is to remove the water from the surface quickly, at which point, it will permeate at a slower rate than the structure above, but still perform better than the natural ground cover. We can only speak from experience over 16 years of laying this product to the specification mentioned, in that not once, has there even been any sign of puddling, poor drainage, mould or algae as you've mentioned. Having installed thousands of surfaces over that period, issues such as those you've mentioned, would've been identified by now. That being said, we're not dismissing the use of type 3. But, as a business required to guarantee its workmanship, performance and longevity of its product, we choose the stronger Type 1 as a sub base in the knowledge that it has proven, over the duration we've been installing, to perform extremely well in managing surface water egress when used as part of the permeable construction we've discussed on the video. - Mitch, Team Rhino.
I have no idea why this video was in my recommendations but I love it! I'll be looking into having my driveway redone in a couple years, do you have any companies in the Netherlands you would recommend? I'm assuming you don't do international for small projects like a single 50 sqM driveway, lol
Hey Robin, great to hear you love the product. Unfortunately we don't do international projects at present, and I'm unaware of any installers in the Netherlands that may be able to help! Hopefully you'll be able to find a local company that may be able to help you. - Mitch, Team Rhino.
Hey! The surfaces are pretty cool, right? With regards to your question, because the resin system holds no water, then there is no water to freeze, so in ice and snowy conditions the surface should be treated as any other surface and salts should be applied. As fas as oil spills are concerned, the risk of oil reaching the water table is negligible and the amount would be largely insignificant. - Mitch, Team Rhino.
This surface is basically a filter, and all filters clog up over time. How do you possibly clean it out when it inevitably gets filled up with dust and to debris that blows onto the surface or is carried onto it by water flowing to it from non-porous neighboring surfaces? I've seen this installed in many parking lots and sidewalks and after a couple years it's always completely clogged up.
Hi Ben, thanks for your comment. Where a resin bound surface is installed incorrectly (i.e aggregate size too small or too much resin), or it's installed onto a non-permeable base (such as asphalt/concrete), there is indeed a high probability that eventually, the surface pores will block (as has been your experience) However, if installed correctly, to a fully permeable base, our surfaces will not become blocked and to demonstrate this, we have laid thousands of these permeable surfaces to permeable bases over the last 16 years, and not once has a customer ever complained that surface water is not draining freely - and we've not exactly been short of rainfall over that time! We do recommend that surfaces are power-washed once a year to maintain the aesthetic appearance and performance of the surface, but in reality, very few people clean the surfaces annually, its more like every 2-3 years (I am also a culprit of not cleaning my own Rhino surface annually) and still, no puddles or surface water appears! The proof of the pudding, as they say, is in the eating, and 16 years is more than enough time to monitor the long term performance of a Rhino Resin Bound surface. But, it must be installed correctly as mentioned before, otherwise, what you've suggested, could indeed happen and this is why we post our content to show how the surfaces should be installed, in order for them to perform as they are designed to. Hope that helps! Mitch, Team Rhino.
@@rhinosurfaces thanks for the detailed response! So the smallest pores are at the surface and as you get deeper the pores are larger to let the particles that make it in escape? Where does debris that makes it through the top layer go?
Hi Sean, yes that has to be a consideration for all resin bound installers and as such, our installers are vigilant when it comes to protecting the environment during install. This includes having full spill containment procedures in place as well as ground cover to ensure no chemicals can make their way into the ground or water course. Once cured, the resins are inert and present no negative environmental impact. Mitch, Team Rhino.
We do a full dig out of any existing surface and dig out between 200-300mm (depending on the ground conditions) to ensure a suitable base is installed for the top surface to go on top of. We have another video on the channel around how we install the full surface if you'd like to check it out 🙂 Mitch, Team Rhino.
Resin bound surfacing is pretty mind blowing, right? 🤯If you'd like to make an enquiry please visit rhinosurfaces.co.uk/contact/ and get in touch!
- Mitch, Team Rhino.
Sounds and looks great, curious how it holds up thought the years, when sand and mud is infiltrated between the stones.
Hey - thanks! Interestingly some of the clips in the video are from surfaces which have been down at our HQ for c.6-7 years now, and still drain just the same as they did the day they were installed, some of our customers surfaces have been down even longer and we've not experienced any issues. 🙂
- Mitch, Team Rhino.
Very good in many ways but for sub base, compacted mot type 1 is not technically permeable because the fines lock it together way too tightly. At your rate of 25 ltrs per/m it would soak into that type 1 and take a rrally long time to drain away or evaporate. Homeowners would only discover years down the line when they realise they have a major damp issue, algae and mould growing everywhere. What’s the answer, well it is mot type 3 which does not go down to dust. You can whacker it all you like but water will pass through even faster than the surface. Installers are afraid of it because when first whacked there is a bit of point load movement as it doesn’t lock as tightly as type 1. But even with something like an interlocked truckgrid system parking lorries over it will not cause rutting. So it’s fully stable once you lay anything to spread the load over anything more than about 1/2 m2.
Thanks for the comment. Your theory is correct and that is why the performance of this product is determined by all of the construction elements - not just the sub base.
In managing surface water drainage, the objective is for driveways to manage surface water as well as, if not better than natural ground cover (hence why planning permission is required if traditional, non-permeable constructions are installed).
The aim of a resin surface and our permeable base is to remove the water from the surface quickly, at which point, it will permeate at a slower rate than the structure above, but still perform better than the natural ground cover.
We can only speak from experience over 16 years of laying this product to the specification mentioned, in that not once, has there even been any sign of puddling, poor drainage, mould or algae as you've mentioned. Having installed thousands of surfaces over that period, issues such as those you've mentioned, would've been identified by now.
That being said, we're not dismissing the use of type 3. But, as a business required to guarantee its workmanship, performance and longevity of its product, we choose the stronger Type 1 as a sub base in the knowledge that it has proven, over the duration we've been installing, to perform extremely well in managing surface water egress when used as part of the permeable construction we've discussed on the video.
- Mitch, Team Rhino.
I have no idea why this video was in my recommendations but I love it!
I'll be looking into having my driveway redone in a couple years, do you have any companies in the Netherlands you would recommend? I'm assuming you don't do international for small projects like a single 50 sqM driveway, lol
Hey Robin, great to hear you love the product. Unfortunately we don't do international projects at present, and I'm unaware of any installers in the Netherlands that may be able to help! Hopefully you'll be able to find a local company that may be able to help you.
- Mitch, Team Rhino.
I like those Surfaces, but what about winter conditions with freezing water or diesel/oil spills going direct towards the watertable ?
Hey! The surfaces are pretty cool, right? With regards to your question, because the resin system holds no water, then there is no water to freeze, so in ice and snowy conditions the surface should be treated as any other surface and salts should be applied. As fas as oil spills are concerned, the risk of oil reaching the water table is negligible and the amount would be largely insignificant.
- Mitch, Team Rhino.
This surface is basically a filter, and all filters clog up over time. How do you possibly clean it out when it inevitably gets filled up with dust and to debris that blows onto the surface or is carried onto it by water flowing to it from non-porous neighboring surfaces? I've seen this installed in many parking lots and sidewalks and after a couple years it's always completely clogged up.
Hi Ben, thanks for your comment.
Where a resin bound surface is installed incorrectly (i.e aggregate size too small or too much resin), or it's installed onto a non-permeable base (such as asphalt/concrete), there is indeed a high probability that eventually, the surface pores will block (as has been your experience) However, if installed correctly, to a fully permeable base, our surfaces will not become blocked and to demonstrate this, we have laid thousands of these permeable surfaces to permeable bases over the last 16 years, and not once has a customer ever complained that surface water is not draining freely - and we've not exactly been short of rainfall over that time!
We do recommend that surfaces are power-washed once a year to maintain the aesthetic appearance and performance of the surface, but in reality, very few people clean the surfaces annually, its more like every 2-3 years (I am also a culprit of not cleaning my own Rhino surface annually) and still, no puddles or surface water appears! The proof of the pudding, as they say, is in the eating, and 16 years is more than enough time to monitor the long term performance of a Rhino Resin Bound surface.
But, it must be installed correctly as mentioned before, otherwise, what you've suggested, could indeed happen and this is why we post our content to show how the surfaces should be installed, in order for them to perform as they are designed to. Hope that helps!
Mitch, Team Rhino.
@@rhinosurfaces thanks for the detailed response! So the smallest pores are at the surface and as you get deeper the pores are larger to let the particles that make it in escape? Where does debris that makes it through the top layer go?
What resin bound system have you used on your hair?
One that's of good quality and will stand the test of time, just like our surfaces. 😆
- Mitch, Team Rhino.
@@rhinosurfaces 😂
It sounds good but is their any negative environmental impact such as leaching of chemicals from resins or rubbers to the ground ?
Hi Sean, yes that has to be a consideration for all resin bound installers and as such, our installers are vigilant when it comes to protecting the environment during install. This includes having full spill containment procedures in place as well as ground cover to ensure no chemicals can make their way into the ground or water course. Once cured, the resins are inert and present no negative environmental impact.
Mitch, Team Rhino.
@@rhinosurfaces thank you for the information it's appreciated, makes my decisions more informed for the future
What if clay underneath?
We do a full dig out of any existing surface and dig out between 200-300mm (depending on the ground conditions) to ensure a suitable base is installed for the top surface to go on top of. We have another video on the channel around how we install the full surface if you'd like to check it out 🙂
Mitch, Team Rhino.