0:50 - 17 more years of Optic Podcast incoming! 1:20 - Dashy's plan after Retirement 2:00 - Dashy's Valorant RANT 3:10 - Aim Assist debate on Apex 5:00 - Hutch's defending SBMM 8:00 - Hecz calls a Time Out 10:35 - Leffen, the Smash Pro blocked Hitch 12:30 - TDM shouldn't have SBMM 13:32 - Dashy's Black Ops 2 story 14:57 - rip Boze's story, never to be heard from again... 18:05 - Matt, roll my montage 21:00 - Hecz wants to buy the IP to Battalion 1944 21:34 - Esports boxing game?? 22:00 - COD Beta is well received 26:30 - H1Z1 Rank system 28:10 - What happened to Prestige?? 33:20 - The calling cards, emblems and titles 37:45 - MW3 Main Menu 38:41 - COD feels like Battlefield (oof) 41:02 - Thoughts on Dead Silence 43:58 - Break 47:28 - End of break 48:30 - Climbing is so dumb in the new COD 50:00 - You cant play COD without insane movement 50:38 - Nerf aim assist in cod? 51:28 - Gassing Formal 52:37: Bones of COD are so strong 55:10 - Some maps should have been played 56:01 - HALO ORLANDO CHAMPS BABYY!!!!!! 57:10 - Hecz couldn't attend HCS Orlando unfortunately 57:33 - Optic stuck in Orlando during a hurricane? (spoiler alert: They made it out safely) 59:22 - Afghanistan flood 1:02:22 - Formal is just something different 1:04:02 - Props to 343 1:04:31 - Extended Podcast for all Optic Nation subscribers, gold members etc. 1:05:00 - Hitch's charity LAN Event
As someone who is quite a bit better than the average cod player and solo player, I get screwed by SBMM constantly. The average skill of the other team is almost always higher than the skill of my teammates. While I do enjoy competitive games here and there, I do not like that even in casual playlists I have to try way too hard just to hold a 50% W/L
Exactly, I feel like it’s alway a party of a couple good players vs me and some potatoes. It’s not fun to play at all. If they could fix the skill balancing it would help a lot.
I'm glad they brought up the titles, emblems, and prestige icons stuff. I vividly remember getting stomped in pubs but staying in games just to grind all of that stuff, it didn't matter to me if I got noob tubed 25 times in a game or anything. I just wanted to get the cool looking stuff to show off to everyone, so I played pubs no matter what until I got it. It's such a simple way of keeping people on your game and playing but instead they've moved towards this model of seasons where they add new stuff every few months to try and retain the players, and it makes no sense because the game progressively gets worse each time they do so.
Not to mention the elim system stat padding making people think they popped off 20-8 when realistically they went 3-8-17 (k/d/a) just so they don't cry and make 80 posts a week on the reddit page for how shit they are
I remember the first time I ever played CoD back on World at War, my ass was getting laid out. First FPS I ever played, it took me months before I actually felt like I could shoot straight, but it made it feel so much better when I actually got good and was frying on MW2. To be fair, I was like 12 and I played that shit 3 hours a day, probably more in the summer with no school. They're trying too hard now to cater to the casual/new player base instead of making the old fans happy, so noobs get a game they can learn quickly while the long-time players get a watered-down version of what we used to have.
its because they have a business model, and its flawed completely. if u want to be successful in business, you become a master of your product. they arent a master of their product. unfortunately, they are at a huge crossroads where, how in the fuck are they going to find a pro who will give them legit advice? you cant. and therefore, we continue to get a 60 year old mans ideas on what video games should be.
Dashy ain’t lying, apex streams with Dashy and Shotzzy would be fire also Bruce on the analyst table would be comedy with how he feels about most of them
I loved how mw3 showed your progression on the previous games because it adds to that wow factor when you see someone in the lobby with 10th prestige on all the games
@@wyattadams1978 nah its actually kinda crazy, one of my first vanguard beta games was against the entire LA thieves roster plus JKap. Getting one kill on them was satisfying lol but needless to say they fucking whooped me and a team full of randos.
I played scump and gunless in bo4 lost both but was playing on max sens and was still able to compete. I changed to a lower sense in mw 2019 and somehow beat the Dallas Empire champs roster with Mutex instead of huke in a pub during the cold war alpha. Every chance you get to play with a pro is an honor and nothing can boost your skill higher then playing against them.
The way I remember the COD match making is that there were maybe 2-3 decent players in a 6v6 on each either team and it would normally be the same people at the top of the leaderboards if the lobbies stayed banded with the same players after each match. So it seems like it went from a mixture of skill levels on teams to just 6v6 teams of all similar level skilled players. So instead of playing maybe 1-2 decent players on the other team you now have to deal with the whole team being cracked out of their minds.
I love this podcast so fucking much. I feel like all I ever comment is about how much I adore all the optic guys, and how I wish the episodes were longer lmaooo
Hitch made a mistake when he was talking about SBMM in the older games… while there may have been some SBMM at play, the tech probably wasn’t there to make it as strict. The second MAJOR factor was the fact that lobbies did not disband after every game and prioritized ping. In this case, if you got in a lobby full of couch gamers, if they were willing to stick around for the punishment, then they were there for you to shoot at again next game, although some of them may be shuffled on to ur team when new people enter the lobby and the teams are created for next game. IMO, they got the closest to solving this problem for people who don’t have time to sweat when they talked about pubs vs. ranked play… Ranked should be where the lobby disbands and the strictest possible SBMM is at play and you have to sweat and work together to get a win and rank up. Pubs should go back to the style where people remember being able to chirp the people in their lobby from game to game, as well as getting gifted memorable streaks of wins and dominating the competition if the ping prioritized matchmaking allows for it. I think this could majorly change the way pubs in COD feels. Obviously there are other glaring issues like progression and other stuff, but I think just that change to the way matchmaking happens could be a big plus for the COD series.
New people should not be all the way punished just because they want to play with their friends who can show them the ropes (spawns, weapons, rotations, etc.) … that is where ranked can come into play; my friends don’t deserve to suffer because they have other responsibilities and I just game on the weekends 😂
As a casual player who is a bit above average The worst thing about sbmm to me is that it makes playing with my friends who aren’t s good a terrible time. The lobbies we get in together are always sweaty af and the less skilled of our friends group just hav a terrible experience and always end up just getting off frustrated. Yes they would hav a better time playing solo in their own matchmake lobbies but no one really wants to do that
Finally someone gets it !!!! If I want to play with my girlfriend who is a newer gamer I can’t just because I am good and have played cod for 15 years .
When hitch explained old sbmm, it wasn’t the same as today. Back then it went by your level/prestige , not “skill”. Now, you can be a level 10 and go against a max prestige just because y’all are the same skill level. And that’s bad because if y’all are the same skill, the one with the better connection will win majority of the time.
SBMM was worked out back in halo 3… Rank modes with strong SBMM, social with weak SBMM… if you play someone in social and they completely body you, everyone is checking their service card, this show you their highest rank. If you’re a casual rank 30 player in social and get destroyed 1 in 10 games by a 50 rank you accept the fact they are better and move on, let it motivate you to play ranked and improve or move on and play another 9 games with the majority of the player base who are casual and around your skill level. Get dominated in social gave players an opportunity to see how you at rank 30 stack up against other ranks
Fully agree with Hitch, ranked play is for competition and sweating, public is for having fun and stomping, you get good lobbies, you get bad lobbies, it happens! One of the most fun things in the past was when kids would get the new cod for Christmas and you would stomp them for 2 weeks straight xD
So refreshing to hear Dashy talking about AA being OP as hell. Got so much love for my controller brothers and its not only about input balance. CoD on controller feels like driving a Tesla on Autopilot nowadays.
My experience with SBMM as a top 4% is that it doesn't evenly match teams. It just tries to keep you at a 1.0 k/d and a 50/50 win loss. So I get placed in a few rounds where I go 3-4 k/d and then it puts me against a team of 1.5-2 k/d players with only negative k/d players on my team, and forces the loss and lower k/d onto me to try and keep me 1 k/d and 50/50 win loss. It's annoying because you can see it happening.
Yup . My buddy and I were playing the Beta , we both had a good game where we went 35-12 and 38-15 . “ I said wow we actually had fun , how much do you want to be this next game is gonna be sweaty “ i went positive 4 and he went even . Its awful
interesting to see how much they loved mw2. I only played gamebattles when it was around. never really cared about anything pub related. Crazy how much dashy cares about some titles and emblems, really makes the nostalgia come back for everyone.
Never thought I would hear a mention of The Race with Jericho, GoldGlove, Tmartn, etc since the last time they did it in 2017 on WWII. Oh the nostalgia 🥲
Why can't they make a SBMM toggle in the menu's similar to a cross-platform toggle. If you want to play SBMM you can and if you don't then you can play others with it toggled off? Or a non SBMM game mode?
In MW2, most people hacked for it, but the spinning golden cross was earned by getting 1000 kills inside an AC-130 Kill Streak. I got that and 10th prestige legit because I spent MONTHS grinding that game and I felt like the baddest person in EVERY match with that as my emblem.
A big problem people don't realize about SBMM is that it's searching to find me lobbies around my skill level. So if there aren't enough good enough players around me it's pulling from servers all over to put us all together. Meaning ping will always be an issue. I can't just get placed into random whatever lobbies in my area because there might not be enough people playing at the same time.
Hitch Explained SBMM perfectly, its not that I don't enjoy competition, and if I want that I will play ranked, but after I play my first 2-3 games online I can no longer play pubs relaxed because I'm playing all players my own skill level or better going hard using meta weapons. And also to H3cz point, SBMM ruins parties as well, I cant play with any of my friends that play COD more casually than me because they get body slammed.
Sbmm needs to be toned down for sure. But fun for me isn’t just shitting on the lobby. I have fun when there’s competition no matter what. Everyone’s different. Some ppl don’t like to sweat every game bc it’s not fun and I can understand that.
@@BeaniesXO I like sweating but I want an actual rank for that, i dont necessarily like shitting on people every game but i cant even snipe or level guns peacefully without getting kids going hard on me thats where i dont like sbmm lobbies like imagine faze making mw2 trickshot montages with only sweats like probably wouldn't happen
Probably my biggest gripe with SBMM is the fact that if I have 1 good game, the next 6 games I'm getting absolutely dominated by the other team and I seem to always have 1 or 2 teammates that get a 2-18 KD. It shouldn't be like that. Plus, there's nothing to show for when I do win. All I get is XP. Why don't we have ranks to show or emblems or calling cards to show what rank we are?
I Agree with Hitch 100% in MW2 and 3 I would listen to Opera music while playing with no game sound and just used to run and gun after a few long days of work and school. Goodtimes
It’s honestly an extremely easy fix to SBMM. Make public matches with a prestige system that has no SBMM. Make a ranked playlist with a proper ranking system to grind with SBMM. Both can co-exist, why does it have to be one or the other
What if they were to do a dead silence setup like in Advanced Warfare. The "Perk" itself is still considered utility, but the user has the ability to pause it whenever during the round (And always has access to it). Not saying this is the best option, but they could at least consider this an alternative to the current setup.
The thing about skill based match making that really makes it horrible is, if I’m playing with an 74u or krig cause I like using the balanced guns and I have a 1.4 kd I’m gonna get matched with kids camping with riot shields and shotguns because they also have a 1.4 that’s not SKILL based it’s stats based
would be dope if the extended videos for each of these had the links in the description. would love to be able to watch the video then go directly to the extended part seamlessly.
Bro prestige emblems is what COD was all about. You would have that one friend that was like 3 prestiges ahead of everyone always beasting out. Gave you something to grind pubs for. Getting the gold cross in COD 4. Lobby leaderboards when you could see everyones stats and rank in the lobby. I wish I could smack activision in the face with this video. A good touch on everything that's really wrong with new COD. What happened to the simplicity of COD? The arcady feel with the vibrant simple maps were a vibe. Fun streaks, what happened to those? Sad to have hope year after year and they stray further and further away from the core of what made COD great.
THE FACT THAT THE CEO OF OPTIC GAMING ORG. STILL PLAYS AND IS ACTIVE IN THE SCENE. VLOG, ALL ABOUT THE PLAYERS!! WHAT AN EXAMPLE OF A FUCKING LEADER!! 🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
Theres legitimate science behind the more simple things are, they get better feedback. Giving people more choices and options, it dampens the experience.
I really hope Hector can pull B1944. Myself and my friend group were absolutely obsessed with this game and it played so damn well. Every aspect of the game felt phenomenal and I always check on it to see if it has any activity because I truly do miss it. Idk how many people got to experience the game but it was genuinely so much fun and I feel it had a really good opportunity for some competitive spotlight. It was a simple shooter that was a very good mix of CS and CoD with really solid maps. Do it for the people Hector. :)
I wonder if it’s possible to have a setting to turn on or off SBMM. Similar to the way you can turn off or on cross-platform. That would solve every problem. Players who want to play against people their skill level can. Players who don’t, dont. Low skilled players can have it on to play other low skilled players. Higher skilled players can then choose off or on based on the experience they want that day.
Dynamic response curve isn’t a cheat code it makes aiming easier because it gives you a slower sense with small analog movements and a standard sense towards the outer portion of the ability thus a dynamic sensitivity it’s comparable to mnk because yes you have a standard dpi but if you whip your wrist it’s faster than a drag. Also we got dynamic around the same time as deadzones which I’d argue are more effective than response curves. Everyone shoots straight is a bad cop out because we were all playing CoD on slower systems on lower fps with higher/slower response times most people played on a big flat screen. Another thing to include is the more you do something the better you get to a point so even casual CoD players these days shoot strainer than casuals 5 years ago.
The problem with SBMM is that eventually every game is full of sweats. Whereas without it yes you might get stomped one game but the next you might be the one stomping. Also, the entire team isn’t full of sweats. It might just be a couple of them.
What game we’re talking about and watched Hecs montage. I don’t understand why SBMM is in the game. They should just let the sweats play Ranked League play and the regular gamers play pubs. Call of Duty or ruining COD more and more EVERY YEAR.
That happened in the mw2 beta, my buddies and I matched with teep, cloak, merk, tim and sym and we were going crazy ready to try hard. But my buddy dced and one of those guys dced, so teep and everyone backed out, so sad cause it will never happen again.
Hutch is 100% correct. I've worked for major tech companies (amazon, facebook, etc) and it's all data driven. I don't he's defending it, he probably just doesn't care because he understands, at the end of the day, activision and IW are making decisions to make the company money. SBMM is part of that to increase player retention of the majority of the players.
Well yea… sbmm isn’t really about skill so much it’s “RETENTION based match making” they can see what matches you stay in and when you leave and quit out so they try to keep you in the matches you stay in…it’s like a mixture of some “skill” and then retention. I am always in max prestige lobbies when I was only 2nd prestige lol
The reason they took out the prestige system from the older games because people got tired of restarting from scratch with all the weapons and attachments. I remember grinding BO1 to get that 15th prestige and being proud af. Going to school the next day talking to my freind and he be like nah dude I'm not gunna prestige past 5 just because I don't wanna weapon/attatchment grind. I remember the same feeling when I moved from ps3 to xbox. I never went past prestige 1 due to he fact that 1 I already did the 15 on ps3 but two why lose my weapons and attatchemnents when I know how good I am. It became recurring because I the same thing in all the games that had the system thereafter. Must admit though the nostalgia makes me miss those days in mw2 BO1 and mw3
0:50 - 17 more years of Optic Podcast incoming!
1:20 - Dashy's plan after Retirement
2:00 - Dashy's Valorant RANT
3:10 - Aim Assist debate on Apex
5:00 - Hutch's defending SBMM
8:00 - Hecz calls a Time Out
10:35 - Leffen, the Smash Pro blocked Hitch
12:30 - TDM shouldn't have SBMM
13:32 - Dashy's Black Ops 2 story
14:57 - rip Boze's story, never to be heard from again...
18:05 - Matt, roll my montage
21:00 - Hecz wants to buy the IP to Battalion 1944
21:34 - Esports boxing game??
22:00 - COD Beta is well received
26:30 - H1Z1 Rank system
28:10 - What happened to Prestige??
33:20 - The calling cards, emblems and titles
37:45 - MW3 Main Menu
38:41 - COD feels like Battlefield (oof)
41:02 - Thoughts on Dead Silence
43:58 - Break
47:28 - End of break
48:30 - Climbing is so dumb in the new COD
50:00 - You cant play COD without insane movement
50:38 - Nerf aim assist in cod?
51:28 - Gassing Formal
52:37: Bones of COD are so strong
55:10 - Some maps should have been played
56:01 - HALO ORLANDO CHAMPS BABYY!!!!!!
57:10 - Hecz couldn't attend HCS Orlando unfortunately
57:33 - Optic stuck in Orlando during a hurricane? (spoiler alert: They made it out safely)
59:22 - Afghanistan flood
1:02:22 - Formal is just something different
1:04:02 - Props to 343
1:04:31 - Extended Podcast for all Optic Nation subscribers, gold members etc.
1:05:00 - Hitch's charity LAN Event
MVP
Clutch asf
Justice for boze bro he got hoed 😭😭
Goaaat
you're the best
Y’all gotta let my man’s Boze talk… counted 5 diff places he was gonna say something and got talked over
Trying to hear that insight from the man
Brooooo I’m saying!!
Maaaann ! Forever Doing That On MyBoyy Comon Now ‘
at some point its on him though.....he can do it!
Hecz doesn't shut the fuck up about some stupid ass story cuts the man off every time
and hecz shouldn't keep changing the topic when it's still interesting
As someone who is quite a bit better than the average cod player and solo player, I get screwed by SBMM constantly. The average skill of the other team is almost always higher than the skill of my teammates. While I do enjoy competitive games here and there, I do not like that even in casual playlists I have to try way too hard just to hold a 50% W/L
It’s so bad man, I just wish it can be toned down a bit
Man it’s so fuckinf frustrating, my enjoyment shouldn’t be ruined because I am better than average, shit pisses me off man.
Thats why i went to league and stayed mp cw was horrible ssbm wise
Exactly, I feel like it’s alway a party of a couple good players vs me and some potatoes. It’s not fun to play at all. If they could fix the skill balancing it would help a lot.
theres also a difference in a competitive game, and a frustrating game because your teammates are bots
I'm glad they brought up the titles, emblems, and prestige icons stuff. I vividly remember getting stomped in pubs but staying in games just to grind all of that stuff, it didn't matter to me if I got noob tubed 25 times in a game or anything. I just wanted to get the cool looking stuff to show off to everyone, so I played pubs no matter what until I got it. It's such a simple way of keeping people on your game and playing but instead they've moved towards this model of seasons where they add new stuff every few months to try and retain the players, and it makes no sense because the game progressively gets worse each time they do so.
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Yup nowadays theres no need because all the cool looking shit you pay real money for and don’t have to grind .
COD is terrified of making players think they are bad at the game, forget a rank the game will barely show you how many deaths you have
Not to mention the elim system stat padding making people think they popped off 20-8 when realistically they went 3-8-17 (k/d/a) just so they don't cry and make 80 posts a week on the reddit page for how shit they are
@@Sn0w_Official haha so true
@@Sn0w_Official nubs gotta sink if they want to swim and cod devs wont even let them play in the rain smh...
I remember the first time I ever played CoD back on World at War, my ass was getting laid out. First FPS I ever played, it took me months before I actually felt like I could shoot straight, but it made it feel so much better when I actually got good and was frying on MW2. To be fair, I was like 12 and I played that shit 3 hours a day, probably more in the summer with no school. They're trying too hard now to cater to the casual/new player base instead of making the old fans happy, so noobs get a game they can learn quickly while the long-time players get a watered-down version of what we used to have.
its because they have a business model, and its flawed completely. if u want to be successful in business, you become a master of your product. they arent a master of their product. unfortunately, they are at a huge crossroads where, how in the fuck are they going to find a pro who will give them legit advice? you cant. and therefore, we continue to get a 60 year old mans ideas on what video games should be.
Dashy ain’t lying, apex streams with Dashy and Shotzzy would be fire also Bruce on the analyst table would be comedy with how he feels about most of them
I loved how mw3 showed your progression on the previous games because it adds to that wow factor when you see someone in the lobby with 10th prestige on all the games
Completely forgot about that, shit was lit
Bruce has a point cause I played a ranked match against him and it was an honor to get dunked on lol
youre cappin
@@wyattadams1978 nah its actually kinda crazy, one of my first vanguard beta games was against the entire LA thieves roster plus JKap. Getting one kill on them was satisfying lol but needless to say they fucking whooped me and a team full of randos.
Killed Kenny & Prestinni in Cold War league play, I thought I was goated that day 😂😂
I played scump and gunless in bo4 lost both but was playing on max sens and was still able to compete. I changed to a lower sense in mw 2019 and somehow beat the Dallas Empire champs roster with Mutex instead of huke in a pub during the cold war alpha. Every chance you get to play with a pro is an honor and nothing can boost your skill higher then playing against them.
@@demonoxx7755 and then you woke up
The way I remember the COD match making is that there were maybe 2-3 decent players in a 6v6 on each either team and it would normally be the same people at the top of the leaderboards if the lobbies stayed banded with the same players after each match. So it seems like it went from a mixture of skill levels on teams to just 6v6 teams of all similar level skilled players. So instead of playing maybe 1-2 decent players on the other team you now have to deal with the whole team being cracked out of their minds.
I love this podcast so fucking much. I feel like all I ever comment is about how much I adore all the optic guys, and how I wish the episodes were longer lmaooo
Haven’t even listened yet but Davis, Money B, Hector and Bruce is a fire lineup. This one boutta be good 🔥
dashy on an analyst desk would be comedy tbh lmao
This Dashy matching with OpTic in Bo2 sequence has me dyin, so relatable 🤣
Hitch made a mistake when he was talking about SBMM in the older games… while there may have been some SBMM at play, the tech probably wasn’t there to make it as strict.
The second MAJOR factor was the fact that lobbies did not disband after every game and prioritized ping. In this case, if you got in a lobby full of couch gamers, if they were willing to stick around for the punishment, then they were there for you to shoot at again next game, although some of them may be shuffled on to ur team when new people enter the lobby and the teams are created for next game.
IMO, they got the closest to solving this problem for people who don’t have time to sweat when they talked about pubs vs. ranked play…
Ranked should be where the lobby disbands and the strictest possible SBMM is at play and you have to sweat and work together to get a win and rank up.
Pubs should go back to the style where people remember being able to chirp the people in their lobby from game to game, as well as getting gifted memorable streaks of wins and dominating the competition if the ping prioritized matchmaking allows for it.
I think this could majorly change the way pubs in COD feels. Obviously there are other glaring issues like progression and other stuff, but I think just that change to the way matchmaking happens could be a big plus for the COD series.
New people should not be all the way punished just because they want to play with their friends who can show them the ropes (spawns, weapons, rotations, etc.) … that is where ranked can come into play; my friends don’t deserve to suffer because they have other responsibilities and I just game on the weekends 😂
As a casual player who is a bit above average The worst thing about sbmm to me is that it makes playing with my friends who aren’t s good a terrible time. The lobbies we get in together are always sweaty af and the less skilled of our friends group just hav a terrible experience and always end up just getting off frustrated. Yes they would hav a better time playing solo in their own matchmake lobbies but no one really wants to do that
Finally someone gets it !!!! If I want to play with my girlfriend who is a newer gamer I can’t just because I am good and have played cod for 15 years .
I used to watch bigfoltz and doom clan race to prestige every year with their 24/7 stream
When hitch explained old sbmm, it wasn’t the same as today. Back then it went by your level/prestige , not “skill”. Now, you can be a level 10 and go against a max prestige just because y’all are the same skill level. And that’s bad because if y’all are the same skill, the one with the better connection will win majority of the time.
Much love Hecz and the crew!
Watching this going through the hurricane love hearing the boys talking about it
Hitch’s point about COD being a “couch game” was something I never thought about yet it makes sense
You could still do that
Yeah man, cod was intentionally created as a causal game. We the community just made it competitive and it happened to work
SBMM was worked out back in halo 3… Rank modes with strong SBMM, social with weak SBMM… if you play someone in social and they completely body you, everyone is checking their service card, this show you their highest rank. If you’re a casual rank 30 player in social and get destroyed 1 in 10 games by a 50 rank you accept the fact they are better and move on, let it motivate you to play ranked and improve or move on and play another 9 games with the majority of the player base who are casual and around your skill level. Get dominated in social gave players an opportunity to see how you at rank 30 stack up against other ranks
Fully agree with Hitch, ranked play is for competition and sweating, public is for having fun and stomping, you get good lobbies, you get bad lobbies, it happens! One of the most fun things in the past was when kids would get the new cod for Christmas and you would stomp them for 2 weeks straight xD
So refreshing to hear Dashy talking about AA being OP as hell. Got so much love for my controller brothers and its not only about input balance. CoD on controller feels like driving a Tesla on Autopilot nowadays.
Cod just doesn’t feel like cod anymore. Every game is another step backwards since mw2019. It’s just sad honestly
Back in the day it meant something to have a high k/d😢 or the satisfaction of your k/d going up. Missed those days 🥺
11:11 Hecz digs Deadwood! Thats dope!
I'm convinced if MW2 Remastered came back with MP it would end the current titles.
I played Bruce in MW19 with my GB guys in ranked play and he laid 66 on us and I couldn't have been happier lmao
love the dynamic of bruce and hitch on the podcast, more dashy on these please!
My experience with SBMM as a top 4% is that it doesn't evenly match teams. It just tries to keep you at a 1.0 k/d and a 50/50 win loss.
So I get placed in a few rounds where I go 3-4 k/d and then it puts me against a team of 1.5-2 k/d players with only negative k/d players on my team, and forces the loss and lower k/d onto me to try and keep me 1 k/d and 50/50 win loss.
It's annoying because you can see it happening.
Yup . My buddy and I were playing the Beta , we both had a good game where we went 35-12 and 38-15 . “ I said wow we actually had fun , how much do you want to be this next game is gonna be sweaty “ i went positive 4 and he went even . Its awful
mannnnnnnnnn I was excited to hear boze tell his story... let the man talk!!
Fax I was looking for this comment
Hecz gotta let hitch run this podcast and take a step back
100%
Hitch already basically runs the Flycast. I like having HECZ running this pod his own way.
Love Hecz and what he brings, I like how it is now where Hecz runs it but sometimes he'll be out and Hitch will fill in.
@@booster4323 agreed
@@patmody Hecs got his own as well lmao
never seen dashy talk this normally for an extended period of time. i fuck with it
interesting to see how much they loved mw2. I only played gamebattles when it was around. never really cared about anything pub related. Crazy how much dashy cares about some titles and emblems, really makes the nostalgia come back for everyone.
Never thought I would hear a mention of The Race with Jericho, GoldGlove, Tmartn, etc since the last time they did it in 2017 on WWII.
Oh the nostalgia
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Why can't they make a SBMM toggle in the menu's similar to a cross-platform toggle. If you want to play SBMM you can and if you don't then you can play others with it toggled off? Or a non SBMM game mode?
In MW2, most people hacked for it, but the spinning golden cross was earned by getting 1000 kills inside an AC-130 Kill Streak. I got that and 10th prestige legit because I spent MONTHS grinding that game and I felt like the baddest person in EVERY match with that as my emblem.
Fact that hutch said listen to music is so dope zero game sound straight beats through the headset
After this ep are the halo boys still in Orlando ? I hope it doesn’t affect their practice for champs
Hitch is the most brutal member of optic, no shits given, spinning that phone facing the ground got me goose bumps
These guys were spittin facts this episode. COD used to be so much more simple. Bo4 was the last traditional Cod
Dashy with the tippable appearance you love to see it
Bought damn time Big Brucy is back on the pod.
A big problem people don't realize about SBMM is that it's searching to find me lobbies around my skill level. So if there aren't enough good enough players around me it's pulling from servers all over to put us all together. Meaning ping will always be an issue. I can't just get placed into random whatever lobbies in my area because there might not be enough people playing at the same time.
This isn't mentioned enough in this debate. Sometimes I go from 25 to 60 or higher after a couple games where I just happen to pop off a little.
I knew Boze was bout it 💪🏽 they changed the name from esports boxing club to Undisputed but it’s gonna be next level!
Hitch Explained SBMM perfectly, its not that I don't enjoy competition, and if I want that I will play ranked, but after I play my first 2-3 games online I can no longer play pubs relaxed because I'm playing all players my own skill level or better going hard using meta weapons. And also to H3cz point, SBMM ruins parties as well, I cant play with any of my friends that play COD more casually than me because they get body slammed.
Sbmm needs to be toned down for sure. But fun for me isn’t just shitting on the lobby. I have fun when there’s competition no matter what. Everyone’s different. Some ppl don’t like to sweat every game bc it’s not fun and I can understand that.
@@BeaniesXO I like sweating but I want an actual rank for that, i dont necessarily like shitting on people every game but i cant even snipe or level guns peacefully without getting kids going hard on me thats where i dont like sbmm lobbies like imagine faze making mw2 trickshot montages with only sweats like probably wouldn't happen
Such a good podcast, love when you guys are passionate about how good cod used to be
i dont mind sbmm but not in casual, the only time you should be matched based on skill is in ranked. Casual should just be connection based and random
Probably my biggest gripe with SBMM is the fact that if I have 1 good game, the next 6 games I'm getting absolutely dominated by the other team and I seem to always have 1 or 2 teammates that get a 2-18 KD. It shouldn't be like that. Plus, there's nothing to show for when I do win. All I get is XP. Why don't we have ranks to show or emblems or calling cards to show what rank we are?
I Agree with Hitch 100% in MW2 and 3 I would listen to Opera music while playing with no game sound and just used to run and gun after a few long days of work and school. Goodtimes
They went on a rant about Mw2. This is now my favorite episode 😊
It’s honestly an extremely easy fix to SBMM.
Make public matches with a prestige system that has no SBMM.
Make a ranked playlist with a proper ranking system to grind with SBMM. Both can co-exist, why does it have to be one or the other
Hitch’s sentiment at 7:30 is spot on
The no double y y is a perk to were your pistol gets brung up , there’s still yy in the game
What if they were to do a dead silence setup like in Advanced Warfare. The "Perk" itself is still considered utility, but the user has the ability to pause it whenever during the round (And always has access to it). Not saying this is the best option, but they could at least consider this an alternative to the current setup.
I still wanna hear Boze story that he said he’s never told or thought he hasn’t lol
MW2 was truly ahead of it’s time. Possibly the greatest game of all time. Can’t believe they haven’t remastered it
STOP CUTTING OFF MY BOY MBOZE! the papanya making y’all ruudde. Much love tho ❤
The thing about skill based match making that really makes it horrible is, if I’m playing with an 74u or krig cause I like using the balanced guns and I have a 1.4 kd I’m gonna get matched with kids camping with riot shields and shotguns because they also have a 1.4 that’s not SKILL based it’s stats based
Blunt Force Challenge unlocked the first Weed related thing in BO1. still remember it to this day
"I like that there's a chance you can win and there's a chance you can lose" Boze is full of wisdom. 😂
would be dope if the extended videos for each of these had the links in the description. would love to be able to watch the video then go directly to the extended part seamlessly.
Bro prestige emblems is what COD was all about. You would have that one friend that was like 3 prestiges ahead of everyone always beasting out. Gave you something to grind pubs for. Getting the gold cross in COD 4. Lobby leaderboards when you could see everyones stats and rank in the lobby.
I wish I could smack activision in the face with this video. A good touch on everything that's really wrong with new COD. What happened to the simplicity of COD? The arcady feel with the vibrant simple maps were a vibe. Fun streaks, what happened to those? Sad to have hope year after year and they stray further and further away from the core of what made COD great.
Cold War was actually the last cod to have prestiges so that’s why treyarch and Vonderhaar have my trust
One of the best podcasts ever, love it.
THE FACT THAT THE CEO OF OPTIC GAMING ORG. STILL PLAYS AND IS ACTIVE IN THE SCENE. VLOG, ALL ABOUT THE PLAYERS!! WHAT AN EXAMPLE OF A FUCKING LEADER!!
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Glad big Bruce is back in content
"Enemies with benefits "
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I used to use that one on MW2 vanilla ..
Battalion 1944 is now called Battalion Legacy and it is F2P on steam. Would recommend if you enjoyed older COD titles.
Theres legitimate science behind the more simple things are, they get better feedback. Giving people more choices and options, it dampens the experience.
I love every time they bring up battalion 1944, that game was the most fun ive had playing a tactical shooter and i have 5k hours in cs
Also, ive stopped buy CODs since the gunsmith came out, i dont got the time to unlock 70 attachments for all the weapons. I got a job and a life lol
I ran into scump back in BO2 it literally was like "what and honor! But chill dude we know you're that good" dude's a sweatband lmao 🤣
Let's pray this doesn't happen in Orlando! Well it did.. and the videos are crazy.
I really hope Hector can pull B1944. Myself and my friend group were absolutely obsessed with this game and it played so damn well. Every aspect of the game felt phenomenal and I always check on it to see if it has any activity because I truly do miss it. Idk how many people got to experience the game but it was genuinely so much fun and I feel it had a really good opportunity for some competitive spotlight. It was a simple shooter that was a very good mix of CS and CoD with really solid maps. Do it for the people Hector. :)
I wonder if it’s possible to have a setting to turn on or off SBMM. Similar to the way you can turn off or on cross-platform.
That would solve every problem.
Players who want to play against people their skill level can.
Players who don’t, dont.
Low skilled players can have it on to play other low skilled players.
Higher skilled players can then choose off or on based on the experience they want that day.
the rant about the old titles, emblems, and prestiges we got was spot on the game is dry now.
Dynamic response curve isn’t a cheat code it makes aiming easier because it gives you a slower sense with small analog movements and a standard sense towards the outer portion of the ability thus a dynamic sensitivity it’s comparable to mnk because yes you have a standard dpi but if you whip your wrist it’s faster than a drag. Also we got dynamic around the same time as deadzones which I’d argue are more effective than response curves. Everyone shoots straight is a bad cop out because we were all playing CoD on slower systems on lower fps with higher/slower response times most people played on a big flat screen. Another thing to include is the more you do something the better you get to a point so even casual CoD players these days shoot strainer than casuals 5 years ago.
Bro, I love HItch's pure love for cod.
Bro I remember when your prestige meant something. I was so excited whenever I would get 10th prestige. Now it feels like it doesn’t matter.
Crazy to think that was FormaL's first win for OpTic since champs 2017. He did win with Huntsmen though
The problem with SBMM is that eventually every game is full of sweats. Whereas without it yes you might get stomped one game but the next you might be the one stomping. Also, the entire team isn’t full of sweats. It might just be a couple of them.
Man I can’t believe we almost lost Bruce. love that guy
Skill based matchmaking doesn’t really matter if you had a legit ranking system
Ranked playlist (ranked and rating), Casual playlist (no SBMM or hidden rating), how it should be done imo.
Prestiging also made you use guns you never used before. Where now once you find the best gun you don't even bother with the other guns.
What game we’re talking about and watched Hecs montage.
I don’t understand why SBMM is in the game. They should just let the sweats play Ranked League play and the regular gamers play pubs. Call of Duty or ruining COD more and more EVERY YEAR.
That COD4 Gold Cross emblem is the GOAT
When they brought up the race to prestige it reminded me of doom clan
I just played against Hitch Blake and Jorge in RL! When are we getting the OpTic skins in game?
The weapon tree branch is badass.
The footstep audio sounds like every just has sit rep pro from mw3. Its crazy
Dude I’ve been nodding my head in agreement with all these points in this podcast. My neck hurts haha 😂
i remember in ghost i got in a lobby with dashy, crazy how life works
That happened in the mw2 beta, my buddies and I matched with teep, cloak, merk, tim and sym and we were going crazy ready to try hard. But my buddy dced and one of those guys dced, so teep and everyone backed out, so sad cause it will never happen again.
I'm so glad Dashy is still part of Optic...dude is comedy! #greenwall
Hutch is 100% correct. I've worked for major tech companies (amazon, facebook, etc) and it's all data driven. I don't he's defending it, he probably just doesn't care because he understands, at the end of the day, activision and IW are making decisions to make the company money. SBMM is part of that to increase player retention of the majority of the players.
Ahhh to be young and playing Bops2 LP. The memories.
Well yea… sbmm isn’t really about skill so much it’s “RETENTION based match making” they can see what matches you stay in and when you leave and quit out so they try to keep you in the matches you stay in…it’s like a mixture of some “skill” and then retention. I am always in max prestige lobbies when I was only 2nd prestige lol
The reason they took out the prestige system from the older games because people got tired of restarting from scratch with all the weapons and attachments. I remember grinding BO1 to get that 15th prestige and being proud af. Going to school the next day talking to my freind and he be like nah dude I'm not gunna prestige past 5 just because I don't wanna weapon/attatchment grind. I remember the same feeling when I moved from ps3 to xbox. I never went past prestige 1 due to he fact that 1 I already did the 15 on ps3 but two why lose my weapons and attatchemnents when I know how good I am. It became recurring because I the same thing in all the games that had the system thereafter. Must admit though the nostalgia makes me miss those days in mw2 BO1 and mw3
I remember title and emblem hunting in Mw2 and Mw3 💙