I have the same issues with Triceratops actually believe it or not and then when one becomes lonely from being driven away from the heard it will start trying to destroy fences and attacking the rangers. Ended up ruining my park safety rating and caused me to fail the mission and start over went into a tailspin of loosing money.
The stamina percentage and infamy level also seems to effect dominance. What efects stamina other than panicking i dont know. Weather will efect all dinos stamina equaly so that doesn't cause fights. But if a high dominance dinos gets tired and its rival doesn't then there will be a fight, and again when they recover?
This is on a whole other level. Less control I'd say. Turning ''Combat Frequency'' on and off should've been a returning feature in the Sandbox settings.
... Wait, BIS, this is how it was in Jurassic Park! The Raptors were fine at first (all the same dominance) until they introduced The Big One (higher dominance) who went on a killing spree until she was the Alpha! This is basically a single line of the movie that has been translated into a mechanic!
I’m pretty sure book lore had The Big One actually find a way for the smaller raptors to escape, and they were only thought to be dead because they couldn’t find bodies of them.
@@alexrance3701 Yeah in the book they find a way into some underground storage facility (I think it's left over from the cold war or something because nobody knew it was there) and bred A LOT.
IT's really interesting, that my 3 Spinos all have different Dominance stats but only the one with the second highest value has the Alpha stat, yet the three never once fought each other
Unrelated, but the Tropeognathus has a unique animation for killing Homalocephales. While most of the other pterosaurs roll around with the Homalocephale and then they spear it in the neck, the Tropeognathus uses its feet to trip the Homalocephale, and then it uses the lower crest on its beak as an axe or a bludgeon and it slams it on the dinosaur's neck. For real. Edit: The Tropeo also uses this animation to kill goats. It's still unique to Tropeo.
One of the things I found that if you're stuck in a situation where the highest-dominance dino keeps losing fights to a lower-dominance alpha, is just to remove the alpha out of the enclosure, and the alpha status should then automatically get given to the highest-dominance dino (at least it has in the few times i've done it, though I haven't tested it extensively or anything), and then you should be able to re-add the old no-longer-alpha back into the enclosure without any more fighting. I had to do this to deal with some dinos that you automatically get transported to the park in Chaos Theory like the Ankys in the JW one.
Thanks, man. I've had some real headaches with the constant fighting. Any thoughts on when we should expect the first major update or DLC for Evolution 2?
My guess is that we'll be seeing small updates and DLCs leading up till Dominion then when Dominion comes out then release expansion pack for the campaign mode but that's just my guess
To be honest for it wasnt even the raptors that where the problem. Its always ALWAYS been the godam ceratopsians. Even when they dont have agressive Genes they will constantly fight. I did find a way to cheat around it somehow by giving one of them a pattern and the other ones where blank,so it kinda looked like a male and a female,but if theres been two animals with a pattern or just the 93 Trikes they will fight almost constantly. So yeah this was really helpful thanks BIS.
For me the it was the fucking ass herrerasaurus (sorry if I miss pronounce that) as I like to call the star remover which will always break out due to getting lonely due to EXTERMINATING THE REST OF THE PACK
Oh me too. Three triceratops in the Jurassic Park chaos theory scenario. I ended up putting one of them with the TRex. That did in fact sort out the problem. I tried it another time with Majungasaurus but - remarkably - it killed the TRex. Didn’t try that again.
For cohabiting carnivores make sure to buff the tolerance gene. It help me made enclosures for baryonyx and suchomimus but also be wary of whos alpha of each pack. Carno might be fine with Alberto but if any of their alphas has issues they will kill each other anyway.
@@andyl8055 I tried it with Indominous Rex. When I released one in my raptor paddock, a raptor would go up and do a social animation with it and then the alpha raptor just gives up its alpha status and gives it to the Indominous Rex. So basically, the hybrid can become alpha if it does that special animation with a random raptor regardless of normal or alpha.
Thank you. The amount of fighting is ridiculous. I had the worst luck with Dilophosaurus fighting constantly. The med system is so annoying in this game
I have 7 Allosaurus together with no problem albeit the massive enclosure need by just having one super buffed Allo made first, i kinda like this system cause you dont need to do social genes buff like the first game (and still be limited to the maximum number the genes can provide)
I finally got my dilo on Sand box to not attack each other for once. After so many tries it’s nice to not fight with them getting hurt every time. This video helped to get others to be better with each other
Bestinslot:BOIS, I FINALLY DID IT, I CRACKED THE CODE Frontier:Looking at the Dinosaur Fights section in the help setting that already explained the dominance stat questioning why no one looks at the guides they made for the game
This may just be on my end, but it seems the releasing several dominant animals strategy only works when it's a direct release into an enclosure. They'll still fight if you airlift them into their home.
I remember seeing so many people complain about the fighting; this is gonna be so helpful! Thanks for putting in all the extra work to figure this stuff out, BIS~
THANK YOU FOR THIS!!! I've literally restarted jurassic park chaos theory 4 times to get my velicoraptors and Triceratops stop fighting! I thank you for this so much
IT REALLY DOES WORK!! YOU HAVE CRACKED THE CODE!!! I restarted level one of chaos theory and it completely works. My trikes are no longer fighting. Thank you so much Bestinslot, for making this so much easier to choose my eggs for incubation. I really appreciate it!!
With that batch of Velociraptors you had, you could’ve released all 5. The alpha will default to the highest dominance in the entire batch. At least that’s how it’s worked for me, it’s possible it was a fluke. The weird thing that happened in your vid is that VLC-012 was the alpha initially and then when you clicked on VLC-014 it was suddenly the alpha without a fight. I wonder why it switched? Other than that, good video my dude. I’ve seen a lot of folks on Reddit struggling with system (understandably) Edit: I wonder if with Aggressive, it’s supposed to say +40% but it’s a typo?
Well, you can tranquillize the non-aggressive dinosaurs transport them to a holding pen, let the aggressive become alpha. You could also do it old school; Where you release all dinosaurs into a holding pen. Transport the dominant dinosaur first, and then transport the other dinosaurs into the enclosure.
I got around this by making two batches of dinos per species. One gene tailored to make one uber alpha, pop it into the enclosure first, then a batch of regulars, who go in second. Works every time.
In all honesty, whenever the alpha wins a fight it should gain some dominance as it’d want to remain the alpha of the group. This way if the alpha keeps winning the fights against other members of its group. Then it could eventually gain overall dominance over all of them and settle the group down. Or if the higher dominance dinosaur wins, then it’d become the alpha. It’d be a nice way to let nature settle things between themselves, and not have it be a never ending fight fest with no end in sight.
I agree. Sure, if the dinos have the same stats then eventually the higher dominance one will become alpha by RNG, but what if you have an aggressive dino with lower stats than it's pack, but higher dominance? It has a greatly reduced chance of winning and will keep fighting. Having the winner of the fight gain a few dominance points and make it more likely that more fights will result in acceptance of the current alpha makes sense for game mechanics and in real life.
Or you can release a dinosaur with +30 defense or attack and social/humble traits as a dedicated alpha and they will never fight once the alpha is established instead of just making all your dinosaurs aggressive. However this requires research to be done. A reddit thread about dominance mentioned that aggressive dinosaurs should only go into single species enclosures and that if they're aggressive and there's a alpha they might still fight. Apparently dominance can fluctuate over time at least from what their findings found. Infamy and possible age can also affect it.
All the research being done is why I'm mentioning this yeah. You can release one hyper dominant raptor first but it's not viable in say, chaos theory at the start, or for most of challenge mode
@@BestInSlotGaming I can definitely see this new thing breaking many peoples challenge modes if they don't get the RNG right on the eggs. I suppose it's good to know that one can probably release all aggressive ones at the start and possibly be fine. Although I generally favour the more "docile" genes later on.
I figured as much the dominance fact is related to the constant fighting . So i guess another tip would be release 1 high dominance dino 1st then release the rest with less dominance. Releasing the 1 dominant dino 1st i believe will make it alpha by default when the other lower dominance dinos come into the enclosure.
The issue is that's hard when you have to research stuff. Some challenges will even ask you to release one normal dino, and then release one with a trait after that, which means the newcomer will likely be higher dominance.
Excellent guide, but you didn't go into detail about how increasing the Attack and Defense stats change dominance, since having those stats upped should increase the dominance rating.
In my JP-CT playthrough my first batch of raptors were all aggressive and they got along until they passed away peacefully which supports your findings. I've also found a possible fix for the fighting, move out all the lower dominance ones to another enlosure and then move them back; the one left behind will become the new alpha by default. I also noticed that if you save and reload your game, it resets the alpha assignment and automatically gives it to the highest dominance one. Edit: not 100% sure on these 2 but it worked on my Lost World and Jurassic World missions.
Super helpful I was at a point where I was just like if they kill each other they kill each other I can’t keep stoping to heal them always puts me off track
Something to keep in mind that wasn't mentioned in this video is that after reaching a certain age the dino's dominance stat will start to drop down as they age. I noticed this during one of my playthroughs on challenge mode. So you gotta pay atention when adding a new batch to the enclosure, because everything can be fine for a while but eventually the old alpha will begin to age and getting less and less dominant. What this means is that your younger and still in prime dinosaurs from the newest batch will eventually surpass the alpha in dominance stat even if they don't have genetics to be very dominant and they will end up fighting regarless.
You can also do the opposite and never release aggressive dinos, I thought that the trait itself just made dinos fight each other so I never used those ones. Maybe I just got lucky with it.
Best feature in this game is when sending the helicopter to tranq a Dino change it to move instead then the Dino gets tranqued and moved all in one saving so much time
Yeah, it’s a great feature that’s hidden away. For those who don’t know, go to add task to on your response facilities capture team and then press triangle to select the move feature. It’s great for Dino breakouts and having to treat Dino’s and everything.
Nice video! Could you also do a similar one about the mechanics behind dinosaurs escaping? What stats makes them more likely to escape and at what comfort level do they attempt to escape? I have an aggressive intolerant t-rex that i keep at 70 comfort and it drops to 50 during storms. He is level 6 and his fence is only level 4 and he never escapes. Also in what circumstances will raptors climb fences?
If you have the money go with two batches. Out of batch 1 release an absolutely alpha raptor. +Defense (Not attack so it doesn't murder something if a fight does happen) and as many + dominance traits as possible. The second batch release as many low dominance raptors as you can.
I use to watch your account as a kid and then I started playing Jurassic world evolution and needed to stop my dinosaurs from attacking I clicked on this video and started freaking out when I saw it was you
I would like to add, if an enclosure gets breached for whatever reason (dinos become threats to guests) this will reset and they will fight for Alpha status again. I have had this happen a few times and didn't know why, but I literally JUST figured it out. I had 4 Nasuto 117 alpha 90 X3. Had one of them that wasn't the alpha break out due to rabies while I was dealing with something else. Fixed the gate before any of the others broke out, however they all got the "danger to guests" tag. The Alpha was not the one that broke out. As soon as I fixed everything, a 90 Dom Nasuto fought a 117. Not entirely sure why this is a thing, as I mentioned, my 117 Dom Nasuto never lost alpha status or was separated from the other 2 during this event. I have also noticed that dinos that "like" eachother, will eventually fight. Had 3 carna 5 majunga in an enclosure, none of them had low tolerance, all 100% comfort, all needs met but after about an hour of real time, the carnas started slaughtering the majungas. Luckily, I was done unlocking everything at that point and was about to enter salt the earth mode by destroying all the walls...
This is perfect because I was getting ready to unleash a carnivore and take put all my ceratopsids. If one more of those idiots had a concussion from fighting I was gonna lose it.
one issue with this i think is the storms. i had two perfectly fine albeit aggressive raptors and a storm injured one and the other tried to fight it. the healthy one would up losing i think but i had medical issues obviously. a storm will throw a wrench in this so just be wary during those.
This system is pretty neat and interesting, but I will say that it just unlocking random dominance battles for _every_ dinosaur when there's a higher-dominance non-alpha doesn't make a lick of sense. If higher dominance specifically meant that _individual_ attempted to take the crown from the existing alpha that would make more sense.
Other things you can try... move the dinosaurs with lower dominance into another paddock. The highest one will automagically inherit the alpha. Then move the others back.
If you remove the Alpha from an enclosure by airlift, the remaining Dinos will pick a new one. Return the old Alpha afterwards and he will be just another pack mate. If you want a particular member from a large group to become the Alpha, chop off an empty part of the exhibit. Now airlift the desired Alpha to the empty part. Then airlift the rest to go live with him. Now remove the barrier that divided the area and the exhibit is restored with the newly chosen alpha.
Hey BIS, does this affect the ceratopsids and ankylosaurs? I feel like even at the same level of dominance they love to fight each other. Especially triceratops and funnily enough polocanthus.
This is very helpful. Any tips on dealing with Tornados? They're really starting to piss me off in Jurassic World Chaos Theory. I tried to see if the "target" trick worked against the tornado like in the first game. Set up a grid of fences away from the park and let a tornado hit it, and then no more problems. Not the case in this game.
Thanks for the video BIS i have 3 raptor and one with the aggressive trait except it’s not the alpha and lost 6 times to the current alpha I also noticed that when a medium carnivore such as a carno fails a hunt its food meter gets filled completely
I feel like the gene modification needs a rework It was advertised as more complex than the first game, what we actually got is a more limited, random and inconsistent customization...
0:33 UNDERSTATEMENT. OF. THE. YEAR. Also with literally every other dino aswell... biggest reason i stopped playing, too much fucking around with healing dinos because they wont calm their tits.
Like how my park was doing just fine, minor accomedy issues until I hit three and a half stars. *BOOM* Common Colds, back to back storms, dinos dropping like flies, and money going down the drain so fast than I could gain I couldn't fix gates or pay for new dinos let alone couldn't help a Compy with a concussion. Went through every shop and adjusted them to take in more money but even that didnt stop the massive drain of debt that hit hards than thagmizer to the face. Guess I'll be reloading a save and try to get things straighten out (and deal with a pack dilos that have the common cold as that's the one save that I'm not buried in debt)
Hey BIS cool video but you get one detail wrong. Aggression does not give more dominace than social, the fit trait gave it the small bonus to dominace. Not to be nit picking or anything.
Ceratopsids don't cleanly follow this system, pachyrhinos and Nasutos anyway, though other ones like Torosaurus will still occasionally try their luck. I consistently have lower dominance animals challenging and even winning against higher dominance, and even STRONGER animals, when dealing with Pachyrhinos and Nasutos. In challenge mode I did breed an alpha torosaurus and for the most part the herd stabilized, until he got old. He was the last remaining of the old herd, and when I introduced new, lower dominance dinosaurs in, he was still challenged and overthrown by one of the newbies. Ceratopsids are kinda weird with this system.
As far as im concerned Carnivores tend to be more forgiving in all that dominance handling and actually react positively with the sozial trait while the sozial trait somehow makes the ,,fightier" Herbivores aggressive killing machines
I honestly didn't notice that I noticed that my ceratopsids would fight and fight but then they stopped and that was that I guess the alpha was established. What I'm trying to figure out is how to get compys and raptors to live in the same enclosure it says that they like eachorher but raptors will constantly try to hunt compys for food but never get them and the compys will constantly panic and not approach feeding stations to eat or water to drink. Compys seem to be fine with all the other big carnivores they don't seem to go after compys maybe it's because of the intolerance or aggression traits?
This new alpha mechanic is good in theory but I'm pretty sure it's half buggued now. Because it's seems the alpha win almost everytime, when it should be more 50 - 50 as they have the same stats. I've made tests too and that's what i've seen everytime : the alpha win so the challenger still want to be the alpha and then we have an infinite fights loop because of the invincible alpha. When it finally stop it's because it looks like the dominance reduce or increase after too much loss/wins so the challenger don't want to fight anymore. But it take so much time to happen that it's really annoying. I've also seen that sometimes after a long peace, a fight loop can happen too. Maybe that's because alphas lose dominance when they get old ? I can't confirm that but If that's true, well the dominance/alpha mechanic is really well done. But it's sad that it's ruined because of the alphas always winning and so creating the loop.
It makes sense to me that the dino who is the alpha has a better chance at winning than a challenger. To become alpha in the first place, you have to be strong and as a benefit of being alpha you get the best food and such, so you remain strong. But this could be fixed by giving the winner of a fight some dominance points. So either the alpha has some fights and gets high enough dominance that the fights stop, or the high dominance challenger wins and the fights also stop.
@@thecat7803 Yes in that case it's legit if the alpha is in place since a while, I'm okay with that in theory. But when it happens 2 seconds after living the hatchery (especially if you move them with the choppers instead of releasing them by the gates) that's annoying and there's a problem. Well anyway there's clearly fixes to do, either it's better dominance increase/decrease after a win/loss (or attack/defense, to clearly show that this one is better than all the others) or a better way to lock who's gonna be the alpha in a brood. If I select only one egg with +30% dominance, it should always be instantly the alpha, even if I choose to move them by choppers instead of opening the gates. I really hate it when I move them by airs and then the game instantly put the first arriving one alpha, even if that wasn't the alpha when they were growing in the hatchery ...
Say you release a batch of aggressive and dominant animals as BIS says, then expand the herd with a later batch of less aggressive animals. What happens when the alpha and/or first batch animals die?
If you go to 15:33 you can see the written explanation and guide laid out
I have the same issues with Triceratops actually believe it or not and then when one becomes lonely from being driven away from the heard it will start trying to destroy fences and attacking the rangers. Ended up ruining my park safety rating and caused me to fail the mission and start over went into a tailspin of loosing money.
The stamina percentage and infamy level also seems to effect dominance. What efects stamina other than panicking i dont know. Weather will efect all dinos stamina equaly so that doesn't cause fights. But if a high dominance dinos gets tired and its rival doesn't then there will be a fight, and again when they recover?
@@theBeasman333 stamina is affected by the dinos running around and resting
How can I get dinosaurs to fight more?
This is on a whole other level. Less control I'd say. Turning ''Combat Frequency'' on and off should've been a returning feature in the Sandbox settings.
Yeah this isn't really a sandbox solution as much as a way for chaos theory and challenge modes to function. Sandbox needs fixing ASAP
... Wait, BIS, this is how it was in Jurassic Park! The Raptors were fine at first (all the same dominance) until they introduced The Big One (higher dominance) who went on a killing spree until she was the Alpha!
This is basically a single line of the movie that has been translated into a mechanic!
Not exactly, because the first batch here fight among themselves, not exclusively with the new one.
I’m pretty sure book lore had The Big One actually find a way for the smaller raptors to escape, and they were only thought to be dead because they couldn’t find bodies of them.
@@Weirdanimalboy yeah that’s what I remember from the book. Because at the end of the book the survivors find a huge raptor nest. If I remember right.
@@alexrance3701 Yeah in the book they find a way into some underground storage facility (I think it's left over from the cold war or something because nobody knew it was there) and bred A LOT.
IT's really interesting, that my 3 Spinos all have different Dominance stats but only the one with the second highest value has the Alpha stat, yet the three never once fought each other
Unrelated, but the Tropeognathus has a unique animation for killing Homalocephales. While most of the other pterosaurs roll around with the Homalocephale and then they spear it in the neck, the Tropeognathus uses its feet to trip the Homalocephale, and then it uses the lower crest on its beak as an axe or a bludgeon and it slams it on the dinosaur's neck. For real.
Edit: The Tropeo also uses this animation to kill goats. It's still unique to Tropeo.
Could you please, put a link of It.
I want to see it
@@josebuendiamartinez9944 Uh sure: th-cam.com/users/shortsx6KDXWMisEQ?feature=share
BTW, this is also how Tropeo kills goats.
@@cintronproductions9430 thanks
One of the things I found that if you're stuck in a situation where the highest-dominance dino keeps losing fights to a lower-dominance alpha, is just to remove the alpha out of the enclosure, and the alpha status should then automatically get given to the highest-dominance dino (at least it has in the few times i've done it, though I haven't tested it extensively or anything), and then you should be able to re-add the old no-longer-alpha back into the enclosure without any more fighting. I had to do this to deal with some dinos that you automatically get transported to the park in Chaos Theory like the Ankys in the JW one.
Thanks, man. I've had some real headaches with the constant fighting.
Any thoughts on when we should expect the first major update or DLC for Evolution 2?
My guess is that we'll be seeing small updates and DLCs leading up till Dominion then when Dominion comes out then release expansion pack for the campaign mode but that's just my guess
@@MadmanBuck
So at least a Dinosaur Pack or two before then?
We've still got several months before Dominion, so at least one dinosaur pack and at least one major update is guaranteed.
Yeah honestly just expect maybe one or two dinosaur packs if they surprise us they surprised
To be honest for it wasnt even the raptors that where the problem. Its always ALWAYS been the godam ceratopsians. Even when they dont have agressive Genes they will constantly fight. I did find a way to cheat around it somehow by giving one of them a pattern and the other ones where blank,so it kinda looked like a male and a female,but if theres been two animals with a pattern or just the 93 Trikes they will fight almost constantly. So yeah this was really helpful thanks BIS.
SO FRIGGEN TRUE, MY NASUTOCERATOPS WERE SUCH A$$ h0les ABOUT IT!
The patterns affect that? Huh. I'll test that myself.
Im not 100% sure if that is the case but stil feel free to expirement.
For me the it was the fucking ass herrerasaurus (sorry if I miss pronounce that) as I like to call the star remover which will always break out due to getting lonely due to EXTERMINATING THE REST OF THE PACK
Oh me too. Three triceratops in the Jurassic Park chaos theory scenario. I ended up putting one of them with the TRex. That did in fact sort out the problem.
I tried it another time with Majungasaurus but - remarkably - it killed the TRex. Didn’t try that again.
For cohabiting carnivores make sure to buff the tolerance gene. It help me made enclosures for baryonyx and suchomimus but also be wary of whos alpha of each pack. Carno might be fine with Alberto but if any of their alphas has issues they will kill each other anyway.
Is this how to create that scene in Jurassic World with the Indominus Rex teaming up with the raptors?
@@dubuyajay9964 I haven’t tried that yet.
Indominus Rex:
Dislikes : Everything
@@andyl8055 I tried it with Indominous Rex. When I released one in my raptor paddock, a raptor would go up and do a social animation with it and then the alpha raptor just gives up its alpha status and gives it to the Indominous Rex. So basically, the hybrid can become alpha if it does that special animation with a random raptor regardless of normal or alpha.
Thank you. The amount of fighting is ridiculous. I had the worst luck with Dilophosaurus fighting constantly.
The med system is so annoying in this game
Ahhh thank you! This was driving me nuts! Trying to play through my chaos theory and having to stop every 5 seconds cause of injured dinos!
Thank you for explaining this. Wouldn’t mind you explaining all the rest of these totally unexplained stats and genetic attributes
I have 7 Allosaurus together with no problem albeit the massive enclosure need by just having one super buffed Allo made first, i kinda like this system cause you dont need to do social genes buff like the first game (and still be limited to the maximum number the genes can provide)
I finally got my dilo on Sand box to not attack each other for once. After so many tries it’s nice to not fight with them getting hurt every time. This video helped to get others to be better with each other
Bestinslot:BOIS, I FINALLY DID IT, I CRACKED THE CODE
Frontier:Looking at the Dinosaur Fights section in the help setting that already explained the dominance stat questioning why no one looks at the guides they made for the game
Great video bestinslot keep up the good work and I also just want to say I love your outro music
This may just be on my end, but it seems the releasing several dominant animals strategy only works when it's a direct release into an enclosure. They'll still fight if you airlift them into their home.
I remember seeing so many people complain about the fighting; this is gonna be so helpful!
Thanks for putting in all the extra work to figure this stuff out, BIS~
I'm glad to see someone else figured this out too. Been coasting through Jurassic Challenge mode because of this. :D
THANK YOU FOR THIS!!! I've literally restarted jurassic park chaos theory 4 times to get my velicoraptors and Triceratops stop fighting! I thank you for this so much
IT REALLY DOES WORK!! YOU HAVE CRACKED THE CODE!!! I restarted level one of chaos theory and it completely works. My trikes are no longer fighting. Thank you so much Bestinslot, for making this so much easier to choose my eggs for incubation. I really appreciate it!!
With that batch of Velociraptors you had, you could’ve released all 5. The alpha will default to the highest dominance in the entire batch. At least that’s how it’s worked for me, it’s possible it was a fluke.
The weird thing that happened in your vid is that VLC-012 was the alpha initially and then when you clicked on VLC-014 it was suddenly the alpha without a fight. I wonder why it switched?
Other than that, good video my dude. I’ve seen a lot of folks on Reddit struggling with system (understandably)
Edit: I wonder if with Aggressive, it’s supposed to say +40% but it’s a typo?
This is SO SO helpful! Thank you so much for taking all the time to test this!
Well, you can tranquillize the non-aggressive dinosaurs transport them to a holding pen, let the aggressive become alpha. You could also do it old school; Where you release all dinosaurs into a holding pen. Transport the dominant dinosaur first, and then transport the other dinosaurs into the enclosure.
Love how it’s exactly the opposite of what you would think to do to keep your Dino’s from fighting 🙂
I got around this by making two batches of dinos per species. One gene tailored to make one uber alpha, pop it into the enclosure first, then a batch of regulars, who go in second. Works every time.
In all honesty, whenever the alpha wins a fight it should gain some dominance as it’d want to remain the alpha of the group. This way if the alpha keeps winning the fights against other members of its group. Then it could eventually gain overall dominance over all of them and settle the group down. Or if the higher dominance dinosaur wins, then it’d become the alpha.
It’d be a nice way to let nature settle things between themselves, and not have it be a never ending fight fest with no end in sight.
I agree.
Sure, if the dinos have the same stats then eventually the higher dominance one will become alpha by RNG, but what if you have an aggressive dino with lower stats than it's pack, but higher dominance? It has a greatly reduced chance of winning and will keep fighting.
Having the winner of the fight gain a few dominance points and make it more likely that more fights will result in acceptance of the current alpha makes sense for game mechanics and in real life.
Or you can release a dinosaur with +30 defense or attack and social/humble traits as a dedicated alpha and they will never fight once the alpha is established instead of just making all your dinosaurs aggressive. However this requires research to be done. A reddit thread about dominance mentioned that aggressive dinosaurs should only go into single species enclosures and that if they're aggressive and there's a alpha they might still fight. Apparently dominance can fluctuate over time at least from what their findings found. Infamy and possible age can also affect it.
replying so i can Thank you for sharing this!
All the research being done is why I'm mentioning this yeah. You can release one hyper dominant raptor first but it's not viable in say, chaos theory at the start, or for most of challenge mode
@@BestInSlotGaming I can definitely see this new thing breaking many peoples challenge modes if they don't get the RNG right on the eggs. I suppose it's good to know that one can probably release all aggressive ones at the start and possibly be fine. Although I generally favour the more "docile" genes later on.
I figured as much the dominance fact is related to the constant fighting . So i guess another tip would be release 1 high dominance dino 1st then release the rest with less dominance. Releasing the 1 dominant dino 1st i believe will make it alpha by default when the other lower dominance dinos come into the enclosure.
The issue is that's hard when you have to research stuff.
Some challenges will even ask you to release one normal dino, and then release one with a trait after that, which means the newcomer will likely be higher dominance.
Excellent guide, but you didn't go into detail about how increasing the Attack and Defense stats change dominance, since having those stats upped should increase the dominance rating.
Dominance = Attack + Defense + trait bonus
But u understand it anyway…u stated exactly what it does. Y is more detail needed
I talked about it at the end, there's not much else to say on it really
He did, he literally said part of the dominance stat is a sum of the attack and defense trait
I think aggressive gives more dominance because it gives +30% threat on top of that +30% dominance, so it adds up to the overall dominance
Out of context but:
After many tests, I found it weird that a non-modded spino can win against a fully maxed out Indominus (attack + defense)
In my JP-CT playthrough my first batch of raptors were all aggressive and they got along until they passed away peacefully which supports your findings. I've also found a possible fix for the fighting, move out all the lower dominance ones to another enlosure and then move them back; the one left behind will become the new alpha by default. I also noticed that if you save and reload your game, it resets the alpha assignment and automatically gives it to the highest dominance one. Edit: not 100% sure on these 2 but it worked on my Lost World and Jurassic World missions.
Super helpful I was at a point where I was just like if they kill each other they kill each other I can’t keep stoping to heal them always puts me off track
Carnotourus killing a Homelosefole is very sad. The amination is cool though
Something to keep in mind that wasn't mentioned in this video is that after reaching a certain age the dino's dominance stat will start to drop down as they age. I noticed this during one of my playthroughs on challenge mode. So you gotta pay atention when adding a new batch to the enclosure, because everything can be fine for a while but eventually the old alpha will begin to age and getting less and less dominant. What this means is that your younger and still in prime dinosaurs from the newest batch will eventually surpass the alpha in dominance stat even if they don't have genetics to be very dominant and they will end up fighting regarless.
Much thanks for this info and taking the time to test this out!
You can also do the opposite and never release aggressive dinos, I thought that the trait itself just made dinos fight each other so I never used those ones. Maybe I just got lucky with it.
I have 5 dracorex with all same traits, none aggressive, and they fight all day. I hate them I think.
Thank you so much! I don’t know why the game doesn’t fucking tell you all this itself, and we all needed a youtuber to figure it out.
Best feature in this game is when sending the helicopter to tranq a Dino change it to move instead then the Dino gets tranqued and moved all in one saving so much time
Yeah, it’s a great feature that’s hidden away. For those who don’t know, go to add task to on your response facilities capture team and then press triangle to select the move feature. It’s great for Dino breakouts and having to treat Dino’s and everything.
Thank you so much for this, this helped A LOT
My pacy, ceratops and iguanodon are on constant fighting. Thsbks for the tips.
How do I make them fight tho??
Nice video! Could you also do a similar one about the mechanics behind dinosaurs escaping? What stats makes them more likely to escape and at what comfort level do they attempt to escape? I have an aggressive intolerant t-rex that i keep at 70 comfort and it drops to 50 during storms. He is level 6 and his fence is only level 4 and he never escapes. Also in what circumstances will raptors climb fences?
Thanks for the info
If you have the money go with two batches. Out of batch 1 release an absolutely alpha raptor. +Defense (Not attack so it doesn't murder something if a fight does happen) and as many + dominance traits as possible.
The second batch release as many low dominance raptors as you can.
You can do that but there's no reason not to breed more than 1 raptor in the first batch if they're of the same dominance, they won't fight anyway.
I use to watch your account as a kid and then I started playing Jurassic world evolution and needed to stop my dinosaurs from attacking I clicked on this video and started freaking out when I saw it was you
"Hello, kitten, I'm a dom and an alpha!" **tips fedora**
Thank you SO much man those raptors were really messing with my mental health in the JW chaos theorie
I would like to add, if an enclosure gets breached for whatever reason (dinos become threats to guests) this will reset and they will fight for Alpha status again.
I have had this happen a few times and didn't know why, but I literally JUST figured it out. I had 4 Nasuto 117 alpha 90 X3. Had one of them that wasn't the alpha break out due to rabies while I was dealing with something else. Fixed the gate before any of the others broke out, however they all got the "danger to guests" tag. The Alpha was not the one that broke out. As soon as I fixed everything, a 90 Dom Nasuto fought a 117. Not entirely sure why this is a thing, as I mentioned, my 117 Dom Nasuto never lost alpha status or was separated from the other 2 during this event.
I have also noticed that dinos that "like" eachother, will eventually fight. Had 3 carna 5 majunga in an enclosure, none of them had low tolerance, all 100% comfort, all needs met but after about an hour of real time, the carnas started slaughtering the majungas. Luckily, I was done unlocking everything at that point and was about to enter salt the earth mode by destroying all the walls...
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!!!!
That explains why what I was doing was working, every time there was I fight I’d sell off the alpha. Now I can stop doing that.
Thanks for all your hard work, Coach!
“He did it, the crazy son of bitch did it” finally we don’t always have to send a dinosaur to the health department because of fighting
Thank you thank you! You're the best, Connor.
Thank gooooodd, thank you so much BIS!
This video was amazing
This is perfect because I was getting ready to unleash a carnivore and take put all my ceratopsids. If one more of those idiots had a concussion from fighting I was gonna lose it.
You absolute legend!
one issue with this i think is the storms. i had two perfectly fine albeit aggressive raptors and a storm injured one and the other tried to fight it. the healthy one would up losing i think but i had medical issues obviously. a storm will throw a wrench in this so just be wary during those.
I really hoped that the compys would do a pack attack on a velociraptor or a small herbivore.
My raptors are actually really chill it’s my TRYS WHO ARE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO KILL EACH OTHER
This system is pretty neat and interesting, but I will say that it just unlocking random dominance battles for _every_ dinosaur when there's a higher-dominance non-alpha doesn't make a lick of sense. If higher dominance specifically meant that _individual_ attempted to take the crown from the existing alpha that would make more sense.
Other things you can try... move the dinosaurs with lower dominance into another paddock. The highest one will automagically inherit the alpha. Then move the others back.
If you remove the Alpha from an enclosure by airlift, the remaining Dinos will pick a new one. Return the old Alpha afterwards and he will be just another pack mate.
If you want a particular member from a large group to become the Alpha, chop off an empty part of the exhibit. Now airlift the desired Alpha to the empty part. Then airlift the rest to go live with him. Now remove the barrier that divided the area and the exhibit is restored with the newly chosen alpha.
It's a nice way to force alpha traits
That is a very, very useful tip! Great science work!
Hey BIS, does this affect the ceratopsids and ankylosaurs? I feel like even at the same level of dominance they love to fight each other. Especially triceratops and funnily enough polocanthus.
thank you!
Wish we had a setting for dinosaurs to hate each other so they can fight each other.
This is very helpful. Any tips on dealing with Tornados? They're really starting to piss me off in Jurassic World Chaos Theory. I tried to see if the "target" trick worked against the tornado like in the first game. Set up a grid of fences away from the park and let a tornado hit it, and then no more problems. Not the case in this game.
I just did the research for the tolerant trait and then used it for the raptors. They didn't attack each other at all and I have 3 raptors.
Omg the dilo and dienonochus have amazing people killing animations
Thanks for the video BIS i have 3 raptor and one with the aggressive trait except it’s not the alpha and lost 6 times to the current alpha I also noticed that when a medium carnivore such as a carno fails a hunt its food meter gets filled completely
Thanks bis you saved me hours of frustration.
BestInSlot is just like Yoda. So wise. :)
I just played JP chaos theory this morning and nothing went wrong with my Raptors. Thanks for the guide on this tho!
When Dev finds this tip
Dev : If the dinosaur breathes, it will fight!
Very useful video, thanks, can you make one on stores, maintenance and profit? I have a 5 star park and my earnings are miserable
I feel like the gene modification needs a rework
It was advertised as more complex than the first game, what we actually got is a more limited, random and inconsistent customization...
Idk what to say - good video commenting to help the algorithm
A few problems is that dinos die of old age and dinos that win fights attract thrill seeking guests
Man my raptors were never a problem BUT the triceratops and styracasaurus on the other hand fucking bankrupted me the first go round
Can you make a video on which aquatic can go together?
0:33 UNDERSTATEMENT. OF. THE. YEAR.
Also with literally every other dino aswell... biggest reason i stopped playing, too much fucking around with healing dinos because they wont calm their tits.
Like how my park was doing just fine, minor accomedy issues until I hit three and a half stars.
*BOOM*
Common Colds, back to back storms, dinos dropping like flies, and money going down the drain so fast than I could gain I couldn't fix gates or pay for new dinos let alone couldn't help a Compy with a concussion. Went through every shop and adjusted them to take in more money but even that didnt stop the massive drain of debt that hit hards than thagmizer to the face. Guess I'll be reloading a save and try to get things straighten out (and deal with a pack dilos that have the common cold as that's the one save that I'm not buried in debt)
I just discovered Oviraptor dislikes Lystrosaurus and that is just hilariously random to me
Can you make a video on how to unlock the vehicle cosmetic from the pre order bonus and also other cosmetic for the cars and jeeps?
Hey BIS cool video but you get one detail wrong. Aggression does not give more dominace than social, the fit trait gave it the small bonus to dominace. Not to be nit picking or anything.
Yea
Nope. Tested that already, fit doesn't give a dominance bonus.
my tolerance and social spinos, 6 of them, never actually fought lol
I have found that when I make a separate raptor with higher dominance first and then release more raptors with less dominance, they don't fight
Hi, thanks for the tip!
Ceratopsids don't cleanly follow this system, pachyrhinos and Nasutos anyway, though other ones like Torosaurus will still occasionally try their luck.
I consistently have lower dominance animals challenging and even winning against higher dominance, and even STRONGER animals, when dealing with Pachyrhinos and Nasutos. In challenge mode I did breed an alpha torosaurus and for the most part the herd stabilized, until he got old. He was the last remaining of the old herd, and when I introduced new, lower dominance dinosaurs in, he was still challenged and overthrown by one of the newbies.
Ceratopsids are kinda weird with this system.
As far as im concerned Carnivores tend to be more forgiving in all that dominance handling and actually react positively with the sozial trait while the sozial trait somehow makes the ,,fightier" Herbivores aggressive killing machines
Me listening to intro: sounds like dracorex and Kentrosaurus
I honestly didn't notice that I noticed that my ceratopsids would fight and fight but then they stopped and that was that I guess the alpha was established. What I'm trying to figure out is how to get compys and raptors to live in the same enclosure it says that they like eachorher but raptors will constantly try to hunt compys for food but never get them and the compys will constantly panic and not approach feeding stations to eat or water to drink. Compys seem to be fine with all the other big carnivores they don't seem to go after compys maybe it's because of the intolerance or aggression traits?
THANK YOU SO MUCH
im so fed up of having to nonstop tranq and heal dinosaurs
This new alpha mechanic is good in theory but I'm pretty sure it's half buggued now. Because it's seems the alpha win almost everytime, when it should be more 50 - 50 as they have the same stats. I've made tests too and that's what i've seen everytime : the alpha win so the challenger still want to be the alpha and then we have an infinite fights loop because of the invincible alpha. When it finally stop it's because it looks like the dominance reduce or increase after too much loss/wins so the challenger don't want to fight anymore. But it take so much time to happen that it's really annoying.
I've also seen that sometimes after a long peace, a fight loop can happen too. Maybe that's because alphas lose dominance when they get old ? I can't confirm that but If that's true, well the dominance/alpha mechanic is really well done. But it's sad that it's ruined because of the alphas always winning and so creating the loop.
It makes sense to me that the dino who is the alpha has a better chance at winning than a challenger. To become alpha in the first place, you have to be strong and as a benefit of being alpha you get the best food and such, so you remain strong.
But this could be fixed by giving the winner of a fight some dominance points. So either the alpha has some fights and gets high enough dominance that the fights stop, or the high dominance challenger wins and the fights also stop.
@@thecat7803 Yes in that case it's legit if the alpha is in place since a while, I'm okay with that in theory. But when it happens 2 seconds after living the hatchery (especially if you move them with the choppers instead of releasing them by the gates) that's annoying and there's a problem.
Well anyway there's clearly fixes to do, either it's better dominance increase/decrease after a win/loss (or attack/defense, to clearly show that this one is better than all the others) or a better way to lock who's gonna be the alpha in a brood. If I select only one egg with +30% dominance, it should always be instantly the alpha, even if I choose to move them by choppers instead of opening the gates. I really hate it when I move them by airs and then the game instantly put the first arriving one alpha, even if that wasn't the alpha when they were growing in the hatchery ...
I never found this problem with my raptors but had it with my ceolophysis
Say you release a batch of aggressive and dominant animals as BIS says, then expand the herd with a later batch of less aggressive animals. What happens when the alpha and/or first batch animals die?
Can u make a video about herbis kill animations like anquilosaurus trike iguanodon
My large carnivores still cant stop killing my sauropods