What is the real death toll in Gaza? | Les Roberts | The Big Picture S4E13
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- In 2004, Les Roberts smuggled himself into Iraq as his own government was in the midst of bombing and occupying the country.
His mission was to find out how many civilians had been killed in the devastating US-led invasion, because Western media was refusing to cover it.
When he published his findings in the Lancet Report, that between 100,000 and 600,000 people had been killed - it was dismissed and scorned. Years later, his estimate has been accepted as true.
Inside Iraq, Roberts witnessed the horrors of America’s indiscriminate bombing campaign, and the terror it inflicted on the people of Iraq, and Iraqi children in particular.
Today, he watches as a similar horror is unleashed on children in Gaza.
More than 37,000 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli airstrikes since October 7, including more than 15,000 children.
Many health officials, including Roberts, believe that number is likely conservative, as it doesn’t account for thousands missing or trapped beneath the rubble of their homes, nor those who have died from the spread of disease and famine.
This week on The Big Picture Podcast, we speak with Dr Les Roberts, an epidemiologist and Professor Emeritus at the Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health.
Dr Roberts spent his career documenting death and disease in conflict zones - including in Rwanda, the Congo and Iraq.
You can read his opinion piece on the accuracy of the death toll in Gaza for Time Magazine here: time.com/69096...
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There is no condition that should restrict a man from feeding a child.
There’s only one condition, a pathological condition called Zionism.
The condition is entirely made by satanic ideations.
We owe it also to our shared humanity to protests until this atrocious injustice is put to and end!
Never again for anyone
They gave us fictional evolution nonsense so no one can say earth's Creator who is Omnipotent and Eternal by His Spirit has promised to intervene. All was foretold by the Prophets about these days. When the mass murderers are requited in the way they have made other people suffer we who see it will know justice has been implemented and no one can say it wasn't deserved.
@simonsteen-andersen3181 You are a HUMAN BEING not THE DEMONS FROM THE PIT OF HELL WHICH ARE BRINIGING THEIR HELL TO EARTH AND GENOCIDING THE POOR POOR PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. 😢 💔
It is so true...when you are out in the field working, you see, hear, smell, touch, ..........it is such a contrast to TV or radio. When you see the human family suffering, especially the children, it changes your brain waves completely and realize the enormous magnitude of world injustice, government corruption, lack of equality and equity.
We have lost our humanity!
It's only Western Europe, America, Australia and Canada who have lost their humanity...They have become Rogue Terrorist Regimes bathing in the blood of innocent people...👹💀☠️
We really have 😢
Our governments never had any humanity to begin with. And neither do the people still defending any of this in any way. They are not human.
You lost it long time ago. Remember Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yugoslavia and so on...
“We” is too inclusive. Many of us have not lost our humanity. The U.S. corporate media (part of the plutocracy that runs the U.S.) wants us to believe we’ve lost it. I was in the Army, infantry in the U.S. war against the people of Viet Nam. It was ugly. But I still retain my belief in the majority of the people. We need valid, complete information. That’s something the US plutocracy tries to stop
Thank you for bringing us this important conversation.
Oh my dear Lord. It just gets more and more awful.
What cannot be disputed is that food and water privation is being used as a weapon, whatever you wish to call it.
World's biggest open air gulag. For about 100 years now
Breaks my heart! 😢 The children dieing like that. .may Almighty God have Mercy on us all for our wickedness upon humanity.
Maybe thete parents shouldn't have started a war, it's their fault for allowing Hamas to govern and build a military war machine in Gaza.
@@adriennefried5368. are you for real?????
@@adriennefried5368. Zio-ghoul!
It's absurd to have quibbling about whether it's a genocide. Yes, it IS a genocide. Who says not? The country committing it, and the countries helping to commit it ,by sending bombs and funds- in short, the mass murderers and co mass murderers.
It is absurd to argue about the numbers of deaths, too. It's a distraction from the fact that the US is responsible for the genocide of a helpless, unarmed, trapped, innocent people. Our government/media has a fit if 3 Americans are taken hostage or killed in another country, yet when we are responsible for the deaths of 20,000, which is really 36,000 innocents, there is silence, distraction and denial. This is heinous.
I am disgusted and ashamed of my government.
There is no genocide in Gaza based on definition because the Palestinian birth rate is high and civilians are not being targeted.
DON'T LET ANYONE
CONVINCE YOU IT STARTED ON
October 7th:
Haifa massacre - March 6, 1937
Jerusalem massacre - Dec 6, 1937
Haifa massacre - March 27, 1938
Haifa massacre - July 6, 1938
Jerusalem massacre - July 13, 1938
Jerusalem massacre - July 15, 1938
Haifa massacre - July 25, 1938
Jerusalem massacre - July 26, 1938
Balad al-Sheikh massacre - June 12, 1939
Haifa massacre - June 19, 1939
Haifa massacre - June 20, 1947
Jaffa massacre - Dec 12, 1947
Abbasiya massacre - Dec 13, 1947
Al-Khasas massacre - Dec 18, 1947
Bab al-Amud massacre - Dec 29, 1947
Jerusalem massacre - Dec 30, 1947
Balad al-Sheikh massacre - Dec 31, 1947
Deir Yassin massacre - April 9, 1948
Abu Shusha village massacre - May 9, 1948
Tantura massacre - May 22, 1948
Lydda massacre - July 1948
Qibya massacre - Oct 14, 1953
Al-Dawayima massacre - Oct 29, 1948
Kafr Qasem massacre - Oct 29, 1956
Khan Yunis massacre - Nov 3, 1956
Rafah massacre - Nov 12, 1956
Abu Zaabal factory bombing - Feb 13, 1970
Sabra and Shatila massacre - Sept 16, 1982
Al-Aqsa Mosque massacre - Oct 8, 1990
Ibrahimi Mosque massacre - Feb 25, 1994
Qana massacre - April 18, 1996
Jenin massacre - April 3, 2002
Qana massacre - July 30, 2006
Gaza Strip massacre - August 5, 2022
Jenin massacre - January 26, 2023
Jenin massacre - July 3, 2023
Gaza Genocide - Still ongoing.
The US sent thousands of pounds ds of Humanitarian aid to Gaza and a small amount of weapons to Isreal per the Pac they have between countries. The US is not the reason for the continued war. They have stopped weapons until a cease fire is agreed on . Isreal is non compliant. Don't blame the US .. we have our own shit to worry about . We don't have and won't have boots on the ground over there.
Also people like Raz Segal who is an Isreali born holocaust and genocide scholar said this back in November 2023. He said it was textbook genocide.
@@adriennefried5368that is a sociopathic point of view
Great Les Roberts, great program!
I'm heartbroken that our government is complicit in these atrocities.
U S of IsraLIE! We’ve been conquered from within. History repeating itself with these ghouls
What are you doing to get it stopped?
What a great human being - we need more of you in this world!
Fantastic show, loved what your guest had to say. His is a voice that needs to be heard. Really appreciated this new (for me) perspective. He was super informative but so very human. Thank you!
War is about stealing by murdering.
Inspiring person :)
How can people be so heartless? What is this world coming to? Vicious animals?
The Palestinian Hamas terrorists and complicit Palestinians are.
Animals are not psychopaths and don't commit gen0c1de. They are superior beings, compared to humans.
Thanks for explaining how war death happens and especially the horrible impact of bombs on young kids. Very Sad and unbearable. Makes me think the leaders of USA are heartless for selfish reasons.
I think the reason that Gaza is on the minds of young people and not S. Sudan is because Gaza has been in the news daily since Oct. 7. The world's attention was on the victims of Oct. 7, but then the response was so horrific that fair minded people could not support it. That the US is sending military aid for the genocide in Gaza is another major factor.
HIGH PROBABILITY COUNTING IS WAY UNDER THE ACTUAL COUNT
Great episode
Very interesting prospective
The weird graphic design choices in this video are detracting from the gravity of the message
Majority ordinary people care,
The powers that be don’t.
Today its them,
Tomorrow it may be us.
They don't believe in god but they believe he promised them Palestine.
We in North America took out millions based on the manifest destiny myth.
I think about Hind Rajab and i know exactly what is happening. Indiscriminate killing. Find that pattern.
Me too. I followed her story closely and was devastated when she had been found. I think of her often. Justice for Hind. Justice for Palestine.
@@jessicamarkham-brink6009 Good ridence...
Israel is treating Palestinians as Amaleks. Now I am think the Amaleks were unjustly accused in Samuel 15:3.
If Wikileaks did expose the atrocities by Americans the world would not have known about Iraq
The things addicts will do for more power and money and prestige. They'll literally do anything
Did you mention the 150 journalist and their families targeted with AI?
The world is now seeing it all clearly. It's finally seeing the truth.
Woah!
The question is: Why hasn't US and its allies; warmongers not been brought to justice for Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria destruction and killings, not to mention ALL Latin American countries and African countries who suffered or were destroyed by these warmongers???
Damn
I knew after October 7th Israel would respond in a BIG WAY. I'm sure Hamas expected the same.
Truth about Palestine opened my eyes on all things. Long life Palestine ❤🇵🇸❤️feel the are my people. Wake up humanity!
Guys are subject to death in Gaza.
Time doesn’t stop from whom we came to him we return where the counting will be by the ones returned by the the Imperial Gods of the righteous . Return is going to be Everyone who came. Have some fear❤❤❤
What about more reporting on the Congo massacres and who is behind it??????
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His sentence "I'm encouraged that all these angry students who are worked out about Gaza..." makes me very sad because of a few reasons:
1. Lets be very clear, anyone that really cares for the Palestinians, should not be angry or protesting in order to have a few more trucks per day, as it won't make any difference. What he should be protesting for is giving these poor Palestinians the same right that every other people get during wars... every refugee except of the Palestinians that is... and that is the right to escape a conflict zone into a safe location, where they will not only get any aid without a problem, but they would alao not get bombed, which is at least equally important!
If these students would have only protested against that fact, and demand Egypt to allow Palestinians in, this whole issue of hunger, let alone dead, would have been solved months ago.
Paperwork is manipulated so easily and. used for poltical fodder.Use your eyes and never go by these useless numbers.
Yes the death toll is much much larger and the suffering immeasurable
No this isn’t the correct question.
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Seems very compassionate and well intentioned but a bit myopic. There are people all over the US who are quite hungry and most NOT ALL Americans could care less. This may seem unrelated but people in the world DON'T WANT food aid. They want to be left alone to feed themselves, the same way they have been doing for thousands of years.
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We use to give money for aid but now we don't trust who gets the money and if it helps at all.
This will be the best souvenir from Biden's administration
What an extraordinary and compassionate human! Thank you Middle East Eye for this great interview!
Who paid for 400 miles of tunnels under Gaza?
What is the purpose of the tunnels?
Goodbye liar
Israelis, in a high level meeting.early on, allegedly decided 40,000 dead before killing stops. Prima facie their was a little change in the plans later on and they then made sure that counting never reaches that figure.
Well, it's only a month later, and the figure is Over 40,000.
It's a pity the guy's an anti-national far left nutjob. He was making so much sense, but then let his political bias ruin what appeared to be an objective approach... The other options are worse: Anarchism (a non(sense) system, Globalism (1 world governance), Regionalism (10 or so geographical blocks), Localism down to Tribalism... What we need is Nationalism where Nationals are in control and we have one International Mutual Defence Pact - military invasion of any nation means the aggressor can be militarily attacked by any nation but no nation is obliged to attack.
Jesus is what matters. Everyone is going to die one day and eternity is the most important thing.
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God"
Everyone is going to die one day and after death comes a place for all sinners called hell which is eternal torment, but there is no need to fear because we were given a savior 2,000 years ago and his name is Jesus, so trust in Jesus today as your savior from hell. Christ is the only solution to the sin problem in our world and the eternal penalty as a result, which is ultimately part of our nature passed down from adam and eve due to their rebellion against God.
The good news is that there is a savior from the penalty of sin that God the father sent, and that is his only Son Jesus Christ, born of a virgin and without a sin nature like the rest of mankind. The father established the Old Testament law, which was morally perfect to show man's imperfection in attempting to keep it. But Jesus, being perfect, kept the law perfectly, thus fulfilling the law. However, he didnt just fulfill the law, he also died on the cross as a substitute for all mankind's sin. The penalty for sin is death, so God sent his own son to pay the penalty for Mankind so we dont have to go to hell.
The lake of fire is referred to as "eternal/spiritual death" so when Christ died for you and me, he satisfied the father's wrath against our sin. Afterwards, he was buried and then rose again after 3 days, conquering the grave. He did this so that mankind can recieve eternal life as a free gift, all you have to do is believe it was done for you.
The gospel of john states "He that believeth on the son hath everlasting life, but he that believeth NOT the son shall not see life but the wrath of God abideth on him." Believe in the original Greek language translates to "pistueo" which means to entrust, in this case, to entrust ones eternal destination to Christ. Ephesians 2:8-9 "for by grace you have been saved through faith, and not of yourselves it is a GIFT of God. Not of works lest anyman should boast." Simply believe what Christ already did for you to receive eternal life and you are forgiven of every sin. After this, you are given the righteousness of Christ to be just before the father. Romans 4:6 "just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works "
📜 Zechariah 12:1A prophecy: The word of the Lord concerning Israel.
The Lord, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the human spirit within a person, declares:
2“I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem.
3 On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves.
📜 Matthew 24:19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!
📜 Amos 1:6This is what the Lord says:
“For three sins of Gaza, even for four, I will not relent.
Because she took captive whole communities and sold them to Edom,
7I will send fire on the walls of Gaza
that will consume her fortresses.
8I will destroy the king d of Ashdod and the one who holds the scepter in Ashkelon.
I will turn my hand against Ekron, till the last of the Philistines are eliminated,”
says the Sovereign Lord.
What is your point?
@sakha2349
📜 Isaiah 6:8 I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?”
And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”
9He said, “Go and tell this people:
“ ‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’
10Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed.”
America has sent food aid to Gaza. It depends on those in charge do with it. So stop blaming Americans
Children of terrorists grow up to ve terrorists. Let's not forget this. This is reality. Very few adopt a different lifestyle because they do not know any other way. It is unfortunate for these innocent children. Their ancestors have made it their fate.
Israeli hasbara bot justifying ethnic cleansing
As we can see with the Israelis
@@ShannonCrypto381 spouting iz reel hasbara
This whole uinterview is antisemitic
Something has distorted seriously you analytical ability. Where has Les Roberts been anti-Semitic in this interview?
Now, how can that be true when Many of the People in Palestine have Shemetic dna?
I should have worded that different. Ive "heard" that Gazens are Semetic, and Brothers and Sisters to Israelis.
Anti semetic anti semetic what a pathetic mindless bleat you are making it meaningless by using it for everything that doesn’t suit your sadistic narrative
Being human is not antisemitism
So sicking how could any government be allowing an action like this to be going on in 2024 is this possible n with all the natural disasters about to take place humans will pay this karma fast namaste
Go into Gaza and count with the help of U.N. And find out and then count yourself and the U.N. People that went in with you.
Children dying of fright is nauseating.
As a 63 year old Grandmother who has been through ALOT in life...this is something l wish l had never heard was real and terrifies and will haunt me as an American, with our governments total participation... 👶🏻👶🏽👶🏾Babies, children ,how l wish l c take you all in my arms. You are in my heart and duas. 😢
Something like that makes me lose hope in humanity
It has been happening in Gaza for months. When children don't have proper nutrition, and the hygiene situation is so bad that disease is spreading rapidly, their little bodies don't have the capacity to recover from the shock of something like a nearby air strike. They get scared, and their hearts stop. It's such a tragedy.
@@hloa12no it’s been happening there for over 100 years…..
@christopherkucia1071 thanks for the reminder. It's hard to comprehend it all
My colleague was born in Hanoi while the usa were bombing overhead. Many millions of people globally have experienced being bombed by the usa while they were children
Yes but your colleague is alive, unlike the starved ones in Gaza.
The Vietnamese have put them behind and have moved forward either in their own country or as descendants of immigrants in other countries.
Why then so many Abdulzzz migrated to 🇺🇸?
Great work Les Roberts, having dedicated so much to understand how violent and ruthless the empire is.
"All Great Empires Must Fall"...this one took a good fall on its face which will never be forgotten or forgiven
excellent episode, thank you. Dr Roberts is among many unsung heroes in these catastrophes.
I thought in the 1st month of bombings in Gaza, it was over the top, 9 months on, I can't imagine why the world can't stop the killing or get aid to the survivors, why people are complicit, I have followed everyday with sadness, empathy & frustration when most people I know have remained silent.
I guess because Israel is extremely belligerent government. UN is useless. ICJ has no enforcement power. As Prof. Mearsheimer says, there is no authority to refrain or punish an heavely armed (by the USA), ruthless and bloodthirsty government. There would be hope if the USA stopped supporting them. But I'm not optimistic at all.
Note it's the White Governments, Anglo-Saxon Governments that are the evil government in the world. I thing these Governments are a cult. You will note that in every war in the past two plus decades the Anglo-Saxon countries were always very active. Afganistan, Iraq, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen etc These are most Evil Governments in the world.
I feel same exactly!
The same 😢
first thing I think of when I wake up and last thing I think of when I fall asleep.. I can not comprehend how any human being supports this Psychopathic regime..
So much discussion. Just STOP the war.
A war ends when one side admits defeat.
@@andyd568are you in support of starvation? Is rayl is doomed as is USA impunity.
It is astonishing that Joe Biden could have ended the war on Gaza months ago by just saying to Israel No More Money. But he won't do that. His administration stands around wringing their hands and knitting their brow like, OMG! What can we do?? It's theater and it is utterly disgusting.
@@andyd568or when a violent depraved perpetrator is identified and disarmed
Powerful People DO NOT WANT TO END THE WAR/CONFLICTS.
You can not be that naive.
BDS and more for Israel.
BDS for Hamas too.
Did you mention the numbers of churches, mosque elementary and middle schools, the number of museums, libraries and universities?
Truly acts of evil and selfishness!
One can literally say "ALL" 😢😢😢
98 health buildings buildings had been wiped out or severly damaged at the end of *March*. Around 200 religious sites. And over 500 schools, according to a research by Le Monde (French main stream newspaper).
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And hospitals... 😢
Probably would not have chosen it from the title, but by lucky choice, just happening to hear this interview gave me respect and insight for investigators like Les Roberts and the work they somehow manage to accomplish.
Great interview
Stay strong , support humanity , truth and integrity
The truth will set us all free
Breaks my heart ❤️
I was in a high risk pregnancy when the US military invasion started in 2003, and I remember feeling really sad for women in Iraq who were in the same situation and who would lose their pregnancies due to interrupted care, unlike me.
And before that war, they lived under sanctions from 1990. Devastating.
Did you know that Bush was persuaded to go into Iraq by 1sreal. Scary listening to the PM conveying this to Bush. Fascism is alive and well in 15real
Is there any reporting about the aid truck drivers? How are they surviving? Which countries are they from?
What great DOCTOR who really cares.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Children dying of fright . . and the US plutocracy doesn’t give a rip. The U.S. Constitution allows the people to form a new government when the existing one is disfunctional. . .
Thanks for this greatly informative interview. ❤❤❤🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
We are despised around the world and for good reason.
We KNOW it is PEOPLE in high places.❤
@@pausereflect5911 Arabs are for their deceitful ways infiltration into our society will not bring about Obamas revolution...
How can anyone stand with a country directly committing such horrendous crimes against humanity? It boggles my mind.
Money power corruption money power corruption…
@@tobiashardy1620 That's why for some, but for most that doesn't apply. It's the so-called Christians who stand with that country, thinking it is God's will. Their theology is totally f'ed. It's so bad that they can't see such blatant evil. Proverbs 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil. Jesus: You shall know them by their fruits. Talmud: very terrible things.
Arabs tribes have been killing g each other for centuries Suni vs Shia
Excellent interview. What an admirable human being. Thank you.
People like Dr Les Roberts restore my faith in humanity.
Thanks for this important interview in which Dr. Roberts explains the very precise methods used for counting the death tolls in ear zones. He shows how, if anything there is an under count. Excellent information.
Great guest, very educational
Wow what a guy. Probably one of the best, if not the best, interviews MEE has done in relation to Gaza.
A much bigger thing going on here who all involved I don't know dam sides being taken chosen ? Bigger players here I know it but don't forget Ukraine here ❤ really good killers we have become let's work on that come on world ? Are we all animals ?
That’s why thoroughly investigation is so critical which Israel never agrees to.
I hope to live long enough to see this world be more compassionate. 😢
Gaza was dependent on the aid coming through Rafah which almost completely stopped by the Israelites. The other point there is no way there is any food stores left as the bombing is so relentless that it’s flatten cities. So I believe it’s famine
Thank you for this interview
Thank you
Very informative.
Read the protocols of the elders of zion
“Under what conditions do I owe a starving child food and when don’t I?”
-Les Roberts
What a powerful reflection on the conditionality of ethics, responsibility, and compassion.
I believe Mr. Roberts makes a great case that the concept of “nationality” is a root cause of many global problems. How many children die while held captive at the US border in Texas? When so many families leave their country of origin because the US funded and armed coup d’etats all across the Americas, it’s plainly evident that the US cares nothing for non-American people, especially children.
I think colonialism, racism, and capitalism have a lot to do with the lack of care for starving children in other nations. also distributing food to our neighbors within our country isn't always welcomed, there are lots of folks who see that as bad, who think certain people are just destined to suffering and an early death.
0:31 Revelation!
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Thank you for such an informative discussion. May the Almighty bless you with His Protection, His love and His Power. Amen.❤
Thank you for this interview.
What is a credible avenue where I can give?
I gave to Doctors without Borders and the one that advertised here and one other.
600,000! My God!
They were Liars Then and Liars Now .
EXPROPRIATION has always been the plan. It's never been a secret. We in the West have deluded ourselves. The z io s have been consistent in the aim.
@@johnnybegood3855 oh of course you mean the Islamic Muslims Teqyya
I weep for Humanity, its dying
BDS, BDS, BDS
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