Gibson 490R/498T vs Gibson 57 Classic

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  • @Lepaulorig
    @Lepaulorig 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    There is something that is just so satisfying and deep about the 57

  • @geraldhills41
    @geraldhills41 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Better than any PRS !

  • @michaelwilhoit1850
    @michaelwilhoit1850 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    My ears really like the 490R and 498T way better because they cut through the mix very well and are very clear. 57 Classic seems a bit muddy.

  • @jameswagner5098
    @jameswagner5098 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    490R/498T all day, everyday for me. Owning several Les Pauls at the same time and gigging for over a decade…they’re the best sounding, most versatile set Gibson offers IMO.

    • @felixfranzen7318
      @felixfranzen7318 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      They are my favorites too. And apperently Gibson thinks they're their best. Gibson puts the 490/498 set in the Custom Shop Les Custom after all, and that's a 5000 dollar guitar without any historic aspirations and relicing mumbo-jumbo. Also, Gibson obviously once deemed the 490/498s a considerable upgrade over the previous t-tops and the even the original PAFs. Vintage is not better by definition.

    • @kennedypage9128
      @kennedypage9128 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's interesting about the Les Paul Custom shop guitars coming with them. I didn't know. I love the 490s that came stock in my 2017 SG.

    • @AuntAlnico4
      @AuntAlnico4 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My 2017 Gibson sg has 57s in it. ​@@kennedypage9128

    • @MrJabinho
      @MrJabinho 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      490R/490T how this sounds compared to these setups ?

    • @jameswagner5098
      @jameswagner5098 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MrJabinho excellent in my opinion

  • @smollande
    @smollande ปีที่แล้ว +16

    57s sound more subdued and less piercing to the ears without being muddy. However, the 490 neck when played dirty in the video had really nice distincti bass notes. I wonder if I should get a 490 neck and a 57 bridge!

    • @georgefromgreece4119
      @georgefromgreece4119 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The. Way to go

    • @gcobas-p2m
      @gcobas-p2m 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I was actually thinking the same thing

    • @joecooper7803
      @joecooper7803 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I’m doing it , just picked up that exact combo somone had laying around for cheap for my 74 sg I bought with no pickups 👍

    • @smollande
      @smollande 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@joecooper7803 I bet it sounds glorious now! I've only managed to find a 490 neck so far.

  • @jimmyelectric
    @jimmyelectric 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Both are fantastic pickup sets. Hard to choose one because they serve different purposes but the juiciness and brightness of the 57 classic win for me here.

  • @maxdightmusic
    @maxdightmusic 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Interestingly, I have a Les Paul Traditional with 57's and a Les Paul Special Faded with the 490R/498T combination. Because the Les Paul Traditional has a maple cap I think the body resonance is brighter, so the more middy tone of the 57's is brightened a bit. The pickups in each guitar suit the individual guitar materials and seem to balance out very well.

    • @MrJabinho
      @MrJabinho 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Lespaul Faded has 490R/490T combo

  • @theHindenberg
    @theHindenberg ปีที่แล้ว +8

    thank you so much for this. i've been going back and forth on whether to swap the 490R/498Ts out of my '96 SG for something a little sparklier, like the 57s... your video made me realize... they're both great for different things. beautiful. as a total aside: i've had the guitar for 20 years, and it feels wrong somehow to try and change it's tone at this point. i think i'll just have to get a new one :) thanks for your help!

    • @viveknair2387
      @viveknair2387 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you so much! A new guitar is always a good idea :)

  • @rollingslothmachine3431
    @rollingslothmachine3431 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Was trying to find out if I should swap my 490 set for 57 classics in my Tribute, since I vaguely remembered liking the 57 Classics in my LP Classic I had once.
    Good thing I waited. As much as the 57 classic are praised, in this comparison they fall flat because of an annoying high mid peak that dominates their sound. It dawned on me that this was the reason I selled the LP Classic in the first place.
    The 490 are much more well balanced and versatile, while still giving a vintage sound. I quite enjoy how my Tribute sounds so why change a running system? Only because of the often stated opinion in forums and on YT, that the 490er set is inferior, did I even consider the swap.
    Saved me some money, so thank you!

    • @odyssey21thcentury31
      @odyssey21thcentury31 ปีที่แล้ว

      I got a Tribute not long ago, even before I bought it I had in mind to change the pickups right away to put some SD instead, the more I played with 490R-490T the more I liked it, and with the way I tweaked these pickups I wouldn't change it for anything. The chambered body which comes with Modern series make the highs sound airy and the chords then to be slightly more blended (it's very subtle though). Outside of few metal high gain setting I had in the past I really got the best setting I could imagine to have with the Tribute.

  • @punkmusicmetal
    @punkmusicmetal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Although I prefer the 498s dirty tones, I prefer the '57's. Would rather finagle an EQ, dirt and amp settings for the tone I want rather than give up the versatility of the 57s clean semi clean tones.

    • @BB-ft6nd
      @BB-ft6nd ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m leaning towards a 57 in the neck position and a pro in the bridge

  • @harleydavison4526
    @harleydavison4526 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Crazy reading the comments. Some that have the 57s want the 490r & 498t and the ones that have the 490r & 498t want the 57s! Both sound great in there one right. Best thing is have Two Gibson's with both humbuckers! Cheers 👍🏻😎🤘

  • @jeffrey.a.hanson
    @jeffrey.a.hanson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I prefer the 57s overall, but lowering the pickups then adjusting the pole pieces a bit on the 490s have helped balance the sound a bit for me. I’ve gotten them pretty close to the 57s.

    • @robertkarlsson4761
      @robertkarlsson4761 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How do you mean? Any measurements etc you could share with me? I got two SGs, one with 57s and one with 490. I would love to have the one with 490 sound more like the one with 57s 😎🤘

    • @StaticInfinity-ts3jk
      @StaticInfinity-ts3jk ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@robertkarlsson4761 lower the neck pickup until it is actually below the pickup ring. When the pickup is about to fall into the cavity, that’s the spot. It seems wrong, but it’s not. Lots of pros do it. Also flip it around so the screws are on the bridge side.
      The way I think of it is, it’s a weaker, but wider magnetic window when you lower it.

    • @georgefromgreece4119
      @georgefromgreece4119 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@StaticInfinity-ts3jkexactly well said I totally agree

    • @dimitris70
      @dimitris70 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi !
      If you flip it around,you will loose some bass response (neck pickup)
      Isn't it?

  • @markn4526
    @markn4526 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Nice comparison. I think the 490R/498T pickup set from Gibson is way underrated. I prefer the '57 Classics though as I think they offer more picking dynamic input to the player and more tonal complexity. I especially prefer the original '57 Classics from the mid-90s thru early-2000's. Many people don't know that Gibson altered the '57 Classics' specs around the time they introduced the Burstbuckers to differentiate them more. The 498T is a pretty hot pickup compared to the '57 Classic. Some may prefer that.

    • @axedoc2010
      @axedoc2010  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! Yes I agree - the 490R/498T is very underrated. I didn't know that Gibson changed the 57 specs - how are the older ones different from current production sound wise?

    • @kuitaristi3003
      @kuitaristi3003 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, very underrated. I didn't like that much about Duncan JB in my Tokai les paul so i try Gibson 498T and that was the ticket for me. I think 498T is just right for heavy and rock music but can do other styles too pretty easily if player use guitar volume.

    • @michaelkeudel8770
      @michaelkeudel8770 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's also why they released the 57 classic plus for the bridge pickup. Have a set of the 57's and plus in my Epiphone, and still have the 490R and 498T in my 79 Standard.

    • @markn4526
      @markn4526 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@michaelkeudel8770 The 3 guitars I have with the original '57 Classics all have just the regular ones, not the "plus" and they work fine for me...more than fine actually. I have no need for the "plus", but I wouldn't be opposed to it. My style of play tends towards heavier classic rock and blues.

  • @taokichavez9319
    @taokichavez9319 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Exactly what I was looking for, that ks for sharing

  • @spidgeb3292
    @spidgeb3292 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice comparison! Thanks for the video.

    • @axedoc2010
      @axedoc2010  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you very much for the kind comment! Glad you found it useful :)

  • @thenumber1bobo
    @thenumber1bobo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    490/498 dont get enough credit for how balanced they are, and the 498 really does the whole "modern sound without being too metal" thing very well.
    With that said, they're not even in the same ballpark. The '57s are real vintage-style, save for the wax potting, and the dynamics are greater, the transients are significantly more present, and IMO there are few greater neck pickups in a LP than a '57.

    • @jeffrey.a.hanson
      @jeffrey.a.hanson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You nailed it. The 498 is a flat out ‘modern’ voiced pickup. If you’re a precision picker it’s great. If you’re a classic Hendrixy style player, the 57s are far more balanced.

    • @georgefromgreece4119
      @georgefromgreece4119 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Excellent comment

  • @BB-ft6nd
    @BB-ft6nd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The only upgrade from the 490 & 498 are the burst bucker pros, but finding the 4 conductor version for studio guitars is nearly impossible...

    • @spidgeb3292
      @spidgeb3292 ปีที่แล้ว

      I switched 490/498s to Classic '57s, and it worked fine. Maybe that's not what you meant by an upgrade, but IMO it turned out to be.

  • @gram1002
    @gram1002 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Outstanding video, very helpful!

  • @bengreenwellmusic9225
    @bengreenwellmusic9225 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for this. Just what I needed. I’ll leave my 2004 SG Special as it is and not swap the 57’s from my 95 Les Paul 🙏

    • @mootsym
      @mootsym 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      dude we have the same guitar! Mine is in wine red. amazing. I've long considered making the swap, but i've had the 490s for so long.. it's like a part of the guitar's character

  • @MoneyMaddenMaster
    @MoneyMaddenMaster 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really havent liked the 490/498 combo i had in either my les paul faded or sg standard and am in love with the 57 classics in the sg i just got, smoother and with a little more crystal, but the 2 sets sound a lot more closer to the same in this comparison, both really good. Maybe more about my amp ald settings, thabks for the vid, very helpful either way.

    • @axedoc2010
      @axedoc2010  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you found it useful! I have the 490/498 combo in my Flying V now - sound great in that as well

  • @hannesganahl6384
    @hannesganahl6384 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you

  • @UserUser-qt7mb
    @UserUser-qt7mb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The 490r has a better sound to it..a little treble to it..the 57 was warmer and rounder sounding on cleans. Distorted the 57 has a nice mid range over all. Not ice picky like the 498t. I would go 490 neck and 57 bridge.

    • @axedoc2010
      @axedoc2010  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes that would be a good combination

    • @maraviyoso8473
      @maraviyoso8473 ปีที่แล้ว

      It seems you've never used the volume and tone knobs. The "ice pickyness" of the 498T can be easlily toned down by lowering the volume just enough. And then if you need more power, turn the volume back up.

    • @craigsbuyer2270
      @craigsbuyer2270 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Comparing the pickup with everything at 10 is just that, giving the true sound of the pickup. Yea U can turn down this or turn up that but that is adjusting for any sounds you may like or not like

  • @jbh219
    @jbh219 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great vid. I feel like you could dial back the treble of the 490/498 but you'd struggle to eq out the mid hump on the 57

    • @andreil1234
      @andreil1234 ปีที่แล้ว

      You feel correct and best thing is that you already have the tone pots on the guitar, no need for an eq to achieve that :D

  • @RA-ot6yr
    @RA-ot6yr 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I prefer 490 clean but the 57 neck for distorted playing. Has to be a 500t for the bridge. The 490 is brighter but mushy while the 57 doesn't have the muddy distorted sound.

  • @FrankMacDonell
    @FrankMacDonell ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The 498T that came in my sg was Klangy. It was kinda cool in its own way but i prefer the more balanced sound of a 57 classic.

  • @pjmuck
    @pjmuck 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    57s sound great in just about any guitar you put them in. I have an SG with 490r/498ts, but my LP and ES333 have 57's. The 490r/498t combo is slightly edgier, grittier, which some players may prefer.

  • @realtruenorth
    @realtruenorth 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My uncle has an original SG from the 60s with original 57 classics, the tone is incredible , and I didn't know it was a vintage for years, I found out later.

    • @realtruenorth
      @realtruenorth ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Hope Browning,they have been around longer than 1990, but these were originals,, he kept the pickups only, and installed them in a dot neck 335. Which sounds incredible. They are original vintage PAFs, 1957s. That's the original that 57 classics were based on. The original '57 classic'.

  • @BB-ft6nd
    @BB-ft6nd ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The 57 mops the 490R. It’s fantastic

  • @hiseminencetheholymacdiarmada
    @hiseminencetheholymacdiarmada ปีที่แล้ว

    I have 3 SGs, I refinished and rebuilt my 91 special with 57 classics. Not sure what it had before, possibly 490s?? Then, I was going to do a swap on my 2013 SG Standard but was pleasantly surprised that it already had 57 classics in it, I didn’t know 57 classics came stock in certain SGs. Currently I am refinishing a 2010 SG Standard, actually just light sanding and new clear nitro AND OF COURSE the 490s are out and some brand spanking new 57 classics are on deck for it as well.

    • @spidgeb3292
      @spidgeb3292 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a SG-S3 with 3 '57s in it. Big reason I bought it. But that was kind of a limited run thing, if I remember correctly.

  • @RA-ot6yr
    @RA-ot6yr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    57s are the nicest pickups I heard. I would go for the 490s... i like the bigger sound of the 498t. I do go for a strong bridge but the neck needs to be a 57 or 490!

  • @frankkissane1908
    @frankkissane1908 ปีที่แล้ว

    To me the 57 Classics sounded better when clean, but with overdrive the 490/498 set really shines.

  • @paradox7743
    @paradox7743 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    There's no comparison at all here. The 490 in the neck is the tone of the Gods and the 498 in the Bridge is a perfect compliment. They simply Rawk that shit out. I have that combo in both my S G 's and it's tried n True. The best pickups Gibson ever made for the Modern Rocker. The Classic 57's are nice n I have them in my ES-339 Hollowbody and has a nice sweet tone n clean settings but there not meant to RawK out on but also sound good with just a lil dirt...

    • @EM-km8em
      @EM-km8em 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is exactly what i was thinking! The 498 has that rich raw electric sound i like for rythm melodic heavy metal. I have heard the emg81’s and these 57’s but so far the 498t in the bridge for melodic metal rhythm seems to be my sweet spot! Is there something similar to this pick up in the gibson line to the 498t ? Also do you think a gibson LP custom stock pickups would provide better sound than a 498 ?

    • @ArcMan82
      @ArcMan82 ปีที่แล้ว

      Super late reply and related discussion.
      I have a spare set of Gibson 490R/498T PUPs that I pulled from an SG. I have an Epiphone Dot Deluxe (their ES-335 style), and it has somewhat lousy Epiphone Classic 57 that I’ve been debating upgrading to proper Gibson Classic 57s/57 Plus. Now, I’m wondering whether I should save a few dollars and install my spare Gibson 490R/498T PUPs instead.
      Any sense of how the 490R/498T would perform in a 335-style guitar instead of investing in Gibson Classic 57s?

  • @BrickwallStudios0
    @BrickwallStudios0 ปีที่แล้ว

    I own 57 classics, and i love them but the neck pickup is a bit too muddy, especially when you are in a room with an amp. Here through the mix it sounds deep and good, but in a real environment it's basically jazz pickup. However the bridge is amazing.

  • @agusg.t.8950
    @agusg.t.8950 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    57 classic for me

  • @ChrisTopheRaz
    @ChrisTopheRaz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have an epiphone les paul classic (2022). I’m going to put a DiMarzio D Activator in the bridge for some hard distortion high output rock sounds, and I want to have something by Gibson to offset that for some beautiful clean tones. It’s between the 57s, or the 490/498 for the neck. Any suggestions which one of the Gibsons to pair with that DiMarzio?

    • @axedoc2010
      @axedoc2010  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sorry have just seen this. You might consider a Pearly Gates Neck - really great even with high output bridge pikups

    • @ChrisTopheRaz
      @ChrisTopheRaz 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@axedoc2010 Ha ha! No worries I’ve done that. I sold that guitar and got a 2023 cherry burst Gibson Les Paul. Just no comparison to the Epiphones, so much better in every way.

  • @bryanmchugh1307
    @bryanmchugh1307 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    They sound the same to me.

    • @uhMaxx
      @uhMaxx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      try listening with some external speakers if you cant hear a difference, the 490 sounds tighter while the 57 has a more open sound

    • @TheIkaika777
      @TheIkaika777 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They are marginally different.

    • @fredfunf3456
      @fredfunf3456 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Your ears must be pinned on.

  • @pokjapemilihan2418
    @pokjapemilihan2418 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    how about 498t bridge with 57 neck? how it goes? anyone have ever try?!

    • @ChrisTopheRaz
      @ChrisTopheRaz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m getting ready to put a 57 in the neck and a DiMarzio D Activator in the bridge. Similar set up since the Damásio is a hot pick up with lots of high-end beauty for distortion but the 57 is such a great warm clean town pick up. I’m on the same thought process as you. I did consider doing one of the 400 series in the bridge but I loved my DiMarzio pick ups in my Parker fly deluxe

  • @december1064
    @december1064 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the 57 bridge. It's not quacky like the 498 (and most bridge pickups).
    Both neck pickups sound about the same, maybe a little darker on the 57. But they both sound so much better with more clarity than the Seymour Duncan jazz neck pickup in my Epi LP. It's muddy and nasally. I don't know if it's the guitar or the pickup or both but I'm just fed up with this $500 junk toy. Really upset I put so much more money into it trying to make it sound good.
    I gotta get a Gibson LP.

    • @odyssey21thcentury31
      @odyssey21thcentury31 ปีที่แล้ว

      From my experience SD Jazz neck sound great with north American woods (maple, alder, basswood, ...) on other woods it's not that great, not to mention that a ToM bridge add details* here and there on the playing that affect the overall sound (these "details" does sound very good with a juicy pickup though). On a LP, in particular an Epiphone LP I would recommend a fat, hot output and dark pickup for the neck.
      * play a simple arpegio unplugged and put your ear close to the ToM / stop tail piece, you will ear what I mean with "details", it's subtle but it explain in part why medium output Alnico 5 sound like crap on a LP.

  • @rocker8692
    @rocker8692 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is it an sg or les paul

  • @ManisfesteSuaEssência
    @ManisfesteSuaEssência 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    8:21
    8:36

  • @AJC-jo3ds
    @AJC-jo3ds ปีที่แล้ว

    should compare 490/498 to SD 59/JB

  • @docpearson
    @docpearson ปีที่แล้ว

    57’s allll day.

  • @BwanaTube
    @BwanaTube 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    To me the 490s combo sounded like "That's a Gibson SG!" and the 57s sounded like "That's a guitar with two humbuckers!". A perfectly good sound from the 57s, but not as iconic sounding in an SG.

  • @avivpinto4013
    @avivpinto4013 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    57 classic for paf tones

  • @cielisemotionaltravels
    @cielisemotionaltravels ปีที่แล้ว

    490R AND 498T !8

  • @sega62s
    @sega62s ปีที่แล้ว

    0:12 0:36

  • @jimjim7008
    @jimjim7008 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you play mainly dirty rhythm then 498T destroys the 57 in any form of contest.

  • @renzobema9002
    @renzobema9002 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    CREO QUE NI EL OIDO DE UN PERRO DETECTA DIFERENCIAS

  • @craigtodd8297
    @craigtodd8297 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ive been wanting to buy a new LP for a year. But nothing sounds as good as my Studio 490/498. Burstbuckers sounds like jumping up and down on a bag of tin foil.

  • @RalphKuotw
    @RalphKuotw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Prefer 57 classic, just like you are in the fields and farms ! 490R/498T are more "in Town" !

  • @wce74wce15
    @wce74wce15 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    just get a metalzone pedal. then you wont care.

  • @markmcmyn8967
    @markmcmyn8967 ปีที่แล้ว

    57 classics, clean,and lead. Too much dirt in the overdriven sound, buried the tone,in the rhythm examples.

  • @josemacias1773
    @josemacias1773 ปีที่แล้ว

    Las p90 de mi Gibson sg especial del 63 suenan mejor que esas 2.

    • @maraviyoso8473
      @maraviyoso8473 ปีที่แล้ว

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    • @josemacias1773
      @josemacias1773 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@maraviyoso8473 exactamente 👌

  • @chucksurgeonertribute2113
    @chucksurgeonertribute2113 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That 498t sure dont fool around.😂🥲😋😇🥰💘💖❤💯💪👍