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Just a heads up, the HD6XX went up in price right as DMS was putting this vid together. It's now $279. Still an easy headphone to recommend at that price but not as crazy good value as before.
I just noticed that also. Makes the Sundaras even more appealing at $299!
To get the best out of the 6XX you need a good tube amp. Even then you have to put up with substandard bass. So it's different headphones for different genres.
goddamn, why does this happen always
DMS influence makes headphone expensive
Noice
i need DMS powaah
I thought I was missing something myself as I recorded a video just yesterday and checked the price for reference and I was like "was this always $279? 🤷♂But to be honest, I think the $280 bracket is still more suited for the 6xx. I would still Recommend It even at $300 tbh. I still prefer them to my sundaras and I LOVE the sundaras. But there's lots of complexities and subjectivity to consider when making statements like that. ✌
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Curious as to where you got your perspective of the DT990 Pro as being "notoriously bad in the audio community". I could not find anyone sharing that same negative sentiment. Those in the audio community definitely recommend more expensive headphones, but in the sub $175 range, I couldn't find anyone knocking them but most saying they are possibly the value king for that price range. Just genuinely curious as how you came to that conclusion.
I agree. I was actually told that its the best headset you can buy for 200$ or less, and that was said to me by a AAA Game Studio Sound Engineer
It's very evident you don't know what you're talking about. Even though you couldn't find any specific examples, it's just very very well known that these are objective shitty headphones based on ideal frequency responses.
@@dingdongtingtong source: you made it the fuck up lol
@@TzeLegend he literally shows charts in the video proving me right. 0:49
@@dingdongtingtong there's no such thing as ideal freq responses. There's different targets for mixing, enjoyment, gaming, all sorts of stuff. No one claims this headphone is flat or Harmon. What they do claim is that it's enjoyable to listen or mix to. And like the original commenter said, most agree, in this price range.
The 990's are open back 770's. These things have been staples in pro audio for almost 40 years. They have an excellent reputation.
Maybe for mixing but not for music enjoyment .
Edit: Nobody mixes on these. They are only used for tracking.
@@NoHairMan this guys claim is that they have a bad reputation in the pro audio world. My comment is in response to that. Who likes them or doesnt like them for enjoying they're favorite song is none of my business.
@@Rockoslab no he said "audio community" not "pro audio community". That clain is true.
@@NoHairMan i think you're splitting hairs... who in the world is "the audio community" if not the pro audio community? Or at least ameture audio engineers and producers. People concerned with audio. Otherwise he's talking about music listeners who certainly are not "the audio community". There are a group of people concerned with "high fi audio". The grado crowd. But he didnt say "HIGH FI" either. So seeing that these cans are explicitly made for and marketed to the pro audio community, it's a safe assumtion.
@@NoHairMan so is it the 770's that are best for listening to music only?
Revisiting this video, the graph presented for the DT990 pro seems significantly harsher than other graphs I've seen for the same headphone; crinacle's, for example (also the 250 ohm version), measures very similar to the TYGR 300 R, which is recommended in this very video. Is it possible that Beyerdynamic have changed the DT990 pro's treble response since you got your pair back in 2017?
iv used a lot of gaming headsets and headphones over the years including the DT 770 and 880 and honestly id have to say the DT990 pro is one of my favourite's but i can see why some people don't like them, yes out of the box the sound can be kinda harsh on the high's but they respond really well to an equalizer and iv found that by boosting the low ends a bit on the EQ they can be somewhat warm sounding and have nice open bass, and they are really comfortable to use for a long time.
What is "open bass"?
This video was brought to my attention, and after watching it I felt compelled to comment on the information presented therein.
As a professional audio engineer with 30 years of experience in the music industry, I completely disagree with the views expressed within this clip. The Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro headphones are tuned for a specific purpose, being monitoring in professional environments.The reason that the highs are accentuated is to allow for critical evaluation of the top-end during certain procedures of mixdown and/or mastering processes. They are monitors designed for PROFESSIONAL applications, not gaming. For someone to come out and make such bold statements like what we observed in this video is somewhat irresponsible, and it clearly illustrates their lack of knowledge in this field.
I do have high freq hearing loss. Use a dt990 pro off an otl amp for over 10 years. It's a fun listen for me to this day. But it's not the only headphone that i have. Variety is a good thing ...
DT990 and tubes go well together. I love OTL
I always used the DT-770 Pro or DT-1770 Pro, and honestly these are tuned better to me than the LCD-5. Right now my main phones are Susvara, LCD-XC and Empyrean, but I'd never knock the classic Beyers (except the T1) for stuff like gaming, audio production, or on the go listening. Maybe 990 is different, but then honestly I'd probably go towards another Beyer than a Sennheiser, which are more thin.
yeah kind of 'pro' preferences, its great bcs its universal iem
My DT990s arrived only about 30 minutes ago and they are excellent! Can't wait to finally edit and mix to these. Just my two cents of course.
The 560s was my first audiophile headphone. It wasn't until I tried a bunch of others (including the hd800s) and came back to it that I realized how damn good it is overall. It's nuts what you get for less than 200 usd.
It's such a hard headphone to "upgrade" from. Every time I'd spend serious cash on fancier headphones, the 560s would still do certain things better. It's like a character in an RPG with every stat at 9/10. It spoils you
@@bla_ank exactly! That's a really accurate way of describing it.
@@bla_ank I am loving my 560s , I was going to drop upwards of $300 but got these for $150. I kinda wish they had a 560s but with the build quality / design look for the 6x0 series. in that $200-300 price range. I feel like you go from the 560s to the 800s (or $150-1,500) for the next step up in gaming head phones. That is a steep price jump
@@josephdesantis7494 Completely agree. If the 560s had the chassis + detail retrieval of a 6 series, I would gladly drop $300 or more
Yup 560s makes me feel like I'm actually transported back to the concert hall when listening to recordings of Mahler's symphonies
I guess it's Dunk on the DT990 week lol
The Sennheiser HD560S is fantastic for gaming. I also recently got a HiFIMAN Arya SE which technically has better detail and imaging but when I want to tryhard at gaming I switch to the 560S because the Arya is TOO detailed and I hear absolutely everything equally whereas the 560S has more focus on those frequencies where gunshots and footsteps happen.
Try the 560S with SteelSeries Sonar "Spatial Imaging". Best processing I've heard to date. The demo inside the app and subsequent playtime will sell you in minutes. I use the speaker setting closest to my head for max detail in competitive FPS.
Oh boy here we go once again
i swear bro its like when ever i buy something i see s video like that xd
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Sir, this is a headphone review
@@Kernias I will not be silenced.
I have the 990 pro's and they are by far the best headphones that I have ever used. Although mine are the 80 ohm version, which some people say doesnt have as much of the treble issue as the 250's. The Philips x2 would probably be a "safer" choice for anyone on the fence.
Is that the all black edition 80 ohm ?
they suck for mixing. Frequency curve is way out of line and it won't translate to other systems.
yeah I used my 990's for 4 years and loved em, but this week I noticed when I turn my head at my desk the wire is cutting out sound a bit. Now looking for new options
I have the 250 and same. And I had quite a few headphones and IEMs, and expensive speakers, so far. DT990 are the best (although they do hurt top of my head).
Having just got my DT 990's im dissapointed. Multiple IEM's and Other headsets which are objectively better at almost anything im needing from them.. all same price, or cheaper...
It is funny that despite being far from perfect, these are the best sounding out of 20+ pairs of headphones I tried. But then I grew up on Audio Technicas so I might have a skewed treble expectations. EDM, jazz, whatever, they are just great and clear with great bass. But I noticed that the ear pads make a world of difference, and worn pads are better than new ones.
Lots of people love Beyer infamous trebles?
I completely agree with this. There are people who really likes this kind of sound. The treble response is actually quite useful for mixing/mastering. But seeing this being recommended a lot to general audience is not okay. A lot of people will have trouble with the sound.
Being "notoriously bad in audio community" is a bit of exaggeration though.
Driven in combination with a PC, where you can perfectly work with an EQ, The 990 really are Great. Without EQ they CAN get sharp with higher volume, but only when the music played is the „right“ Type. And Even without a good EQ, just turn down the Treble 2-3dB on your Amp, this will also do the Trick. The also can Play PRETTY loud without sounding bad. I Like them very much.
Been into music production for over a decade. I've been through Sennheiser, Audio Technica and more brands. The Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pros are the most comfortable headphones I've ever bought, have the best soundstage for producing music on, and I never get ear fatigue when listening for long sessions.
I'm sorry, but starting off with 'the headphone is notoriously bad in the audio community' is pretty much false. There's almost nothing but praise for the Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pros across the entire music production community, the mixing/mastering audio engineer community, and more.
Also, the DT 990 Pros have as balanced, if not more of a frequency curve as any of the models you listed. The HiFiMAn's have a way harsher boost between 8-10kHz. The Sennheisers all have low and high end boosts as well. Almost every model of headphones has the smile curve boosts of the low and high end. It's misleading to point it out in the DT 990s, with zero reference to how that exists in every other model you suggested.
Very fair comments. The Beyer sound really isn't for everyone, but neither is any of the other audiophile brands. That's the beauty of having so many different house sounds, they all pertain to different audiences. Having owned mine for 4+ years, once you get used to them, all other cans sound a little "boring". Sound (like most things) are subjective. People interpret and hear audio differently. For my case, I don't really enjoy the Sennheiser sound, it's too flat and not exciting. I've since moved on from the DT 990s but every couple months I come back to them and am blown away at how wide it's sound stage is. Food for though, cheers.
Totally !
DT990 Pro are sharp, like yeah, they can hurt your eardrums sharp. The key to daily drive them, specially for long gaming sessions, is to mix them with a tube amp. Tubes will bring those sharp trebles down just enough to be super comfy. Plus you get the added bonus to hear footsteps so clearly that you can pinpoint with your eyes closed, and the amplitude, its just wow!
Or you can just EQ them for free...
@@launchpadmcquack98Analogue eq is always better than digital eq
Using 560s with an ifi Zen dac v2, just plugged into the back of my gaming PC. Seriously happy with the sound across the board, and at the price, even more so. 👍
Ditto.
Just purchased that exact combo! Did you tweak any equaliser settings etc?
welcome to entry level HiFi... it's great, isn't it !!
I use a DT 990 250 ohm for gaming and movie watching, and exclusively use IEMs for music listening. So for me the DT 990 is absolutely perfect and I have no complaints about it at all. People that dislike treble will dislike this headphone, but if you like treble, you won't have any issue with them. They are also very durable in design, and have a lot of aftermarket support, unlike some of the other brands mentioned in this video. Besides, I don't understand what the 'ear piercing' comments are all about as they are completely fine. Most IEMs have much more treble and could way more easily be described as 'ear piercing'.
It all comes down to preference. Hence why you should try before you buy if you can. But to just brand the DT 990s as bad headphones is kind of unjustified.
i like treble. but this is just not ok.
Yes the 990 has elevetad treble but thats why some people like it. Doesn't mean its a bad headphone. I found the Fidelio X2 to be far more fatiguing than the 990. I couldn't stand that headphone. Most sibilant bloaty low res garbage ive ever heard.
Everyone says fatiguing or sibilant like it’s something to avoid. I have a 990 and yes I can’t listen for hours but sometimes you just want to listen to music for 30 minutes or hour max and put it down and the extra treble can bring out interesting dynamics in music other phones can’t. Now if you’re looking for an all-rounder and have a strict budget no it’s a bad choice. If you collect headphones like I do it should be in everyone’s collection.
@@mikeg2491 Well said. I have 600 ohm DT990 and about 20 other pairs of headphones so you could say im a collector too. I enjoy the extended treble of the 990 and they are also exceptional for gaming.
Yup. I too have a pair in my collection and i can listen to it for hours on end. Different strokes for different folks as the saying goes.
Honestly agree with you and don't get the comments defending them here. If they're meant for mixing, wouldn't that mean you end up making the bass too forwards and muting the treble because these things have such a treble spike?
yeah, not sure what ppl are smoking. Audio aside though, so many ppl saying that comfort is top notch on them, but is it? In the short time I tried them I found them to be not so comfortable and they felt quite cheap (I know they are robust, but still felt like a really cheap build)
The 990's are designed for mixing and production ~ not to listen to music for enjoyment or gaming. (You're a gamer not a producer yeah?) They're also 240ohm so if don't have and external sound card you wont be providing them with enough power (they will sound quiet). Eq info is correct but in production you would balance your monitor output. You're convincing in the way that you preach but you're not really making sense....
Thanks! You gave me a lot of great choices to choose from and saved me from buying the dt 990pro. Thanks again!
the PC38X has meh vertical imaging, though. I have the DT 900 Pro X and they have fantastic vertical imaging. I can now tell if someone is above, below, or on my level.
I have a little headphone collection, and I enjoy the DT990Pro among them. None of them is perfect of course. I like the natural tone of the 990pro and don't mind the highs. I do not have ear loss, can still ears till 16khz. But I'm used to agressive music, so maybe it's a psychological thing afterall.EDIT : are you testing the bass perception of your videos when you hurt your desk ? ;-p
That's how it goes in the interwebs, as soon as he said the bs about hearing loss he lost me, he had pretty good recommendations tho, but yeah I wanted to get the 990Pro's for a while but since I couldn't demo them I had to do a deep investigation and I found a lot of people saying: "hey they aren't bad but I would prefer X or Y", some even shared what they liked and didn't liked about them and why they thought they were so popular between streamers/youtubers so you could form a better idea based on what YOU like, being so hyperbolic is just dumb and one of the worst things about getting into the audiophile scene, at the end I didn't got them, but not because someone said it was for deaf people, but because real criticism with better explained facts made me understand that I would like them but they were not what I was looking for.
Well, I can say that I got them used in perfect condition at around 60$ and don’t regret them at all even if they are clearly not the best. At the opposite, I despise the DT770Pro.
@@gabsriel Me too! 990pro so much open and natural. BTW people say that they sound harsh after pad replacement for a bit. Mine got squished after three weeks and it lowered those trebles.
Yeah I’m used to aggressive music and find these cans fine too. I used to eq down the highs when the cans were new. They are fine now though
The DT990's "flaws" are useful for identifying problematic sounds when mixing, such as boominess/boxiness or mouth sounds.
They are mixing headphones, not designed for listening pleasure.
exactly why i mix with them
Exactly....makes anyone laugh after seeing this video!!!
Absolutely! Especially for gaming the 990s are absolutely awesome! Great Sound , stereo imaging, Detail and also the possibility to hear your surroundings , given the Open Back Design
Not designed for listening pleasure? I think Beyer might be surprised to hear that.
This also makes them great for gaming to hear footsteps.
DT 990 notoriously bad? Did you smoke something before making this video?
Yes they are obviously NOT flat, they have the signature (and well respected) Beyerdynamik Sound
The K-702 and K-612 are exactly the same price as the DT-990 and a entirely different league.
I second this, don’t know why it wasn’t in the video
K702 is a phenomenal headphone. An almost perfectly tuned frequency response save for a tastefully done 2k bump. Stunning with classical music. Needs some juice to get going though
damn right you are sir!!
@@NO_SIMP_ZONE k702 can be shouty compared to dt990 but not as Sibilant. I use both and are equally good tbh
AKGs are too colored... Not any other headphone especially in it's price point can touch DT990 Pro, period.
AKG K702 with oratory EQ is an absolute beast for gaming.
I completely second the 560s recommendation. It's like a more detailed, analytically-oriented version of the pc38x. Comparable imaging, but with no boomy bass drowning out sound cues. The flat response also makes it a bit of a swiss-army-knife. It does it all; movies, games, conference calls-- everything sounds correct. It's probably the best value in audio for entry level consumers looking for a jack-of-all-trades headphone that requires minimal amplification investment. The 6xx has a particular niche (music), and it doesn't come to life until you give it specialized gear.
Also worth checking out is the Beyer 900 pro x. Unlike the Tygr, it has a flat response and detachable cable. It's currently only $159 for a B-stock unit when purchased through the Beyer outlet sale, and runs at 45 ohms. When you consider the cost of a dac/amp setup, this makes it a strong value contender.
Worth noting though, is that a flat response is more desirable for competitive gamers. Casual gamers will prefer the immersion created by the bassy tunings of the pc38x and TYGR
560s is not the best for movies without an EQ; the upper mids are shouty so voices sound nasally and honky, and most film bass is geared towards the mid bass which is "too accurate" on the 560.
@@warmlycalculated390 Sure, it’s not the absolute best, but the angled drivers and relatively wide staging give it more of an airy ‘speaker room’ presentation when compared to the intimate, “3 blob” effect produced by 6 series senns. An EQ tweak is easier to pull off than changing the way a headphone presents sound.
I personally didn’t notice any honk issues or nasal qualities, but I’ve heard that perception of the 560’s sound will vary depending on how it’s seated on the user’s head. This might factor in to why we both perceive it differently, but we may just have different preferences.
@@bla_ank I mean, the 560s might be the single best headphone in its price bracket... and possibly the best price-to-performance ratio in headphone history. IMHO the 6XX is about 1% better for nearly 200% the cost.
I just prefer recessed mids for movies, sounds more natural to me. Try the HD 599, the cheap SHP9600 or if you're made of money, the Ananda sometime. To be clear, I think recessed mids sound terrible for music
Yes BUT it's much clever to save some coin and just get HD599 for like 50$ less basically same thing. They have muddy upper bass, though easily fixable I wouldn't listen to them without EQ, but similarly 560s requires EQing as well. Additional short cable that comes with HD599 adds more to it's value.
@@HOTSPEEDMike What EQ would you recommend for the 560S?
Just ignore this and get yourself a lovely pair of DT990's like I did years ago. I still love them. I also have a few other pairs of headphones.
i was actually looking to upgrade/sidegrade my dt990 pro. the upper range isn't nearly as bad as you say it is. but i do notice a somewhat prominent boost at the frequency range where "s", "ts" and other harsh consonants are pronounced. so i went to my local audio store. i first tried akg k612. very boring headphone with almost dead on harmon tuning. meh. then i tried the hifiman he400se v2. holy shit that thing is bad. it sounds like a normal 300ohm dynamic driver headphone driven by an ipod nano. i'll try others when i can afford higher price bracket products but for now, i'll happily keep using the dt990.
When you say a headphone that is known to need a certain kind of amp is bad, but then you don't mention what you used to amp it.... you're reminding everyone here to throw away your opinion as useless. Now if you let everyone know what kind of amp/power makes the 400se sound terrible, that's a useful comment.
A DT 990pro needs an amplifier. It’s not for a phone. A DT990 has a couple of different ohm versions. The regular 250ohm version does not sound overly bright. A DT990 can be bought new for 130 euro now a days. That’s a complete no brainer. I can easily say there is no better for the money. It’s the first step into the audiophile world. In the past I had a Sennheiser hd650. In the end the DT990 stayed and the Sennheiser left. It’s unbeatable for the price. Still use it for making music.
i love these headphones and i didn't even realise ninja had them.
DMS killing it as usual. Love the format, production quality, clear and concise explanation. You can’t get any better than this.
😄 🙌
Is that a joke? buhahahahaaaaa
@@iVerxcy Nope. I enjoy his content. You don’t have to - that’s cool. Personally, I don’t care what you think.
he forgot to mention the last point, is an amplifier needed? where that part of the video? did he upload the full video on onlyfans?
Clear and wrong explanation where he preaches one of the best audio headphones for multiple decades running is "notoriously bad in the community".
Dunno who this guy is except an actual idiot who lies to get views.
DT990 is fun to listen to. Though it’s a v shape FR. I paired it with tube amp to tame its HF.
I’m curious what amp you got. I haven’t gotten one yet but in the past I had a pair 770’s and 2 different Xduoo’s that I rolled tubes in, had quite a bit of fun with that
Also i have a pair of 990’s now, and I like them more than the 770’s, was a good upgrade
@@beezlebub3955 770s are best closed-back under $200. For open-back in this price range, there are lot of other choices. So I would've kept the 770 for isolation listening and got something else for open-back.
You failed to acknowledge in the intro that this is an open-back mixing and mastering headphone and nothing to with gaming/#listeningtomusic as you implied. So I clicked away. Just saying...
it definitely needs to be on my head 💀💀 i have it on now
I apply the Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro 250 ohm and the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro 250 ohm for tracking audio in the DAW which are plugged into the Samson S-Amp...I apply the Beyerdynamic DT 880 Pro 600 ohm switching back and forth with the Sennheiser HD 560S for mixing in the DAW, both headphones are plugged into the Beyerdyanmic A20 Headphone Amplifier ...as for gaming, because I am not a gamer - though I do play Starcraft as casual use - I trust your opinion on this matter...thank you for your share
I have all those headphones/headset you mentioned, but I like the Dt990 too. But I really want to get the Tygr's 300 after watching your review video about them. Between you, Brian, Zeos, Joshua, Andrew and Crinacle are provoking too many arguments between me and my wife 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tygr is too similar to DT990... same driver. You'd be better off getting 560s and having more options in the kit. But if you don't have external DAC/AMP, that's what you truly need first for biggest jump forward.
The treble on these cans messed my hearing up. It's like tiny microscopic needles being shoved into my ear drums.
you can blame yourself if you let them do that :) I sold headphones which cant handle treble
Saying they are bad is just nonsense.. these are not consumer headphones. These frequency boosts are meant to make certain frequencies easier to identify for engineers and producers. Trying to use studio/mixing headphones to have a beautiful experience is like taking a submarine to win a sailing regatta or a tank to win a race. Same goes for studio monitors. And im pretty sure some gamers use these headphones and monitors not because they want to hear beautiful things but because they want an edge in the game doe to the clarity and quality of the headphones making them hear and identify things more easily. But i guess that concept goes over your head
DTs are a staple in many studios and radio-/tv-stations all over the globe. I dont know whos that community that is so against it. They are around for decades and not without reason. Each DT has its own characteristics, that people should inform themselves about before buying, so you can get less harsh DTs if you look for it, f.e..
I have recommended them a couple times and people were very happy with them.
Same. Man claims they're "notoriously bad in the audio community" But I'd love to find out how he came to that conclusion. Need to cite your source my man because these are #1 best sellers on Amazon US and ubiquitous in pro audio AND streamer/gamer gear. Is it just him and his friends? If that's the case he's in quite the minority...
Can we get a comparison video of the pc38x vs tygr 300r? I feel like these 2 are the top notch picks for gaming headphones
Isn't volume = power? I'm pretty sure even Crinacle stated this at one point. If it's loud enough, no additional power needed. Only thing an amp would add at this point is another point of failure + potential alteration of frequency response. That's how I see it.
I don't get the hate. DT990 PRO sounds good to me right out of the box with no EQ. It sounds good when I hooked it up to JDS Labs Element III MK 2 for DAC/AMP. It sounds even better when I chain Element III to Accuphase pre-amp for headphone output. It is transparent, has good and fast bass, excellent soundstage and imaging. I love it and it is less than $250 CAD. I actually refunded Hifiman Sundara before I bought DT990 PRO. Lucky enough to be able to audition DT770 PRO from a friend and I knew immediately Beyerdynamic is what I like.
I would consider myself part of the audiophile community having owned Wilson Audio & Magnepan speakers, VTL tube monoblock amps, Accuphase pre & power amps, Mark Levinson CD processor, and various interconnects and power cables worth way more than top tier headphones mentioned in this channel.
I bought my HD560s on DMS and Badseed's recommendation way back over a year ago, absolutely love them to death.
I have since upgraded to the Blessing 2's, but nothing matches the hd560s in terms of imaging, stage, and accuracy. People WILL accuse you of hacking, solely because you can hear them, and they can't hear you.
P.S. much love from 585
I am stuck at 2 options
The beyerdynamic dt770 pro
Or the senheiser 560s
Wich one would your recommend
I want to have a headphone that i can use for gaming and music al "all purpose" headphone can you please help me
Kind regards Eric
i have both pairs next to me right now, (80ohm ver) the beyer has a better frequency response especially on lower frequencies and it sounds clearer to me, Sound stage is slightly better despite it being closed back. The senheiser is a bit more comfortable though and feels a little more 'crisp'. But i'll probably be returning the senheiser i might keep both though honestly. Senheiser maybe a bit better for like TV shows. Beyer better for monitor and serious listening.
I don't think the headphone show understands, what especially FPS gaming needs. All those "piercing" highs are needed to hear even the slightest step and there the Beyerdynamic DT 990 is a reliable and fitting stable that won't break within the first year of usage like Hifiman...
Gamers don't want to listen to smoothed out violins, they want to WIN their game. 😄
I don't see a problem using the DT 990 for gaming and using some EQ from music.
Please don't make your statements so absolute. These are just your own opinion and your own comments, which I absolutely respect. These comments probably would be useful for entry level headphone buyers or people who are simply buying headphones for the sake of just listening to music or playing games. However, DT 990 Pro is indeed a famous set of headphones in Audiophile community, as we don't just want to comfortably listen to music/play games, we want to dig more. Not only we pursuit high resolution performances, we also love to try different, maybe even interesting, sounds from different headphones. And that is what DT 990 Pro famous for because they are indeed delivering very accurate sound image and extraordinary soundstage, and they are absolutely Hi Res headphones! Maybe you don't like high pitch on treble, but that only represent you, not entire community. People who love DT 990 Pro are not the outliers, but you, who don't like it, are the outlier. We do respect your opinion, believe me I do, but just don't raise up your own opinion as community standard. Thank you.
The DT 990 is pretty good once you put on different pads. I mean the build quality is amazing for its price, it's made in Germany, and even pads like the ones from the Tygr 300R are enough to change the sound and make the headphone actually pretty neutral. The inner padding of the Tygr completely takes the bite out of the 990 while still maintaining enough detail to make it enjoyable. It reduces sub bass though, so bass heads be aware lol.
Where do i get better foam pads for the 990s ? I am replacing the official ones faster than i replace my underpants .
Or just EQ it..
I have a HUGE colection of headphones, and use all the recomended gear and also the DT990 PRO, and I could not disagree more with this video, the specific tuning has a purpose in mixing and mastering that people don't get. However, anyone can change it's frequency response by using EQ. The AMP used also plays a big role in the final output. About the 560s, it's very analyticall and lacks sub-bass, but it can also be tuned to anyone's taste. Of all the cans in this price category my advice is get the AKG 371(closed) or DT 900 PRO X (open back design that does not lack detail as some say) .
for the same price as a dt 990 pro you can get a far better headphone that doesnt need eq and if you really think theres a place for extreme treble then just get a good headphone and ruin it with eq. even the 770s are better than the 990s.
What is a better headphone? A fun sounding? A closeback? A critical listening? People buy the 990 pro because they need their qualities in studio. These are still produced until this day for a reason. This is not for the average joe...
I don't understand either, I use the DT990 for gaming with about 6dB EQ'd off of the 8-10kHz spike and they work great for that specific use case. For my ear, the soundstage and imaging are slightly better than my 560S.
I also find it a little funny to hear people say the DT990 is a treble cannon and then offer the 560S as an alternative, when I find them only a little bit less grating on the high end.
@@Garamek It depends on if you got your hd560s before the new silent revision (New has a 1.8m cable as opposed to the older 3m cable and additionally different jacking methods). They reduced a good chunk of the treble by something around 3db while adding additional sub-bass. Also, it depends on the pads too. I Had a 560s (1.8m cable) before that was bought brand new but had very soft pads that would compress extremely easily and painfully press against my ears. My second 560s also 1.8m cable now has firmer pads (from the look of it I got the new version but with the old version pads that were probably sat for ages, compressed at the bottom of a box). Imaging is butter with how smoothly it transitions. They do a great job at soundstage depth while being pretty decently wide-sounding but those technicalities are extremely dependent on content or music. But as always audio is subjective, I stayed clear off buying the dt990 and by the recent demo I did of them that was a wise choice for me.
my collection is not huge but definitely modded DT880 600ohm clear out everything from mid fi, my Hi end headphones struggle to bring me more joy
Gonna have to disagree, the 990s are spectacular, the raw graph looks pretty ridiculous but compensated the 990s get pretty flat, there's a bump in the high bass but the headphones handle it really well without being muddy and the top end while harsh will definitely calm down as the pads wear in.
People who didn't listen for more than 2 hours shouldn't post youtube reviews. It's a headphone you have to get in a good relationship with. Know how to tame its ohms, how it responds to things like EQ and amplification. Also, readjusting your brain from the "me too" fad tuning of the herd of other headphones out there, so that your brain is hearing the Beyers correctly. Then you realize it's showing you details the others don't. So with all that said, they're not for everyone. You need 1) a good amp, 2) not afraid of EQ, which these headphones are almost MADE for EQing every which way, 3) a burn-in period.
After all that settles in, you realize you got a real pro set of cans. They have strength, detail, confidence, power, stability, quality. Feels like you're in a Mercedes for the price of a Toyota.
I wonder what Nouvraught has to say.
I use dt990 Pros since some months. I like those for gaming yes there are better options. But i was able to get them for only 107$ and for that price im pretty happy. I needed to do some EQ Tuning cause the highs are realy harsh. But now with the right EQ i love them also cause they are verry comfortable. I used to game with vmoda Crossfade 2 but those arnt good for long sessions cause they are to small. In a Year or so i will probably look into another pair of headphones and im considering Hifiman Sundaras.
How did you manage to adjust the EQ for them may I ask ? Some paid PC software perhaps ?
I am considering purchasing but am concerned they may need mild tweaking EQ for me but unsure exactly how to achieve atm
@@paolocoletti3424 i got a creative g6 usb dac. It has realy good software features. In the meantime i got a pair of Hifiman sundaras as a present so only using those and i like them even more. I always had creative soundcards cause of the software amd EQ settings. The dt990s and the hifiman are great but i need the eq to get them to sound how i like it.
@@paolocoletti3424 late reply but we use peace gui software for eq
Every engineer i know has a pair of these for mixing and the mixes sound incredible
As someone who owns both the DT990 Pros and the PC39x, I cant stress enough how much more i enjoy the DT990s
because you probably have high frequency hearing loss lol
Recently bought the 990, started playing some EDM and absolutely loved the sound for about 30 seconds and then the (female) vocals kicked in and it sounded like they were lisping all over the place, and loudly. Then some kind of beat started that always sounded nice / tolerable on other headphones but it felt like it was drilling a hole into my ears on the 990s. Sure enough, as soon as I toned down the EQ around the ~6k and ~10k ranges, it sounded tolerable but toning it down completely killed the flavor of the headphone.
Keep in mind that I'm someone who likes boosted treble. I boost the treble in my car stereo and I boost the treble using EQ on my other headphones. I boost the 5.5k+ range on my go-to headphone, the HD 600. The 990s are simply on another level of sibilance. The very painful kind. Even playing songs at 1/2 the volume of my HD 600 the treble would sound utterly piercing.
I've heard that many people simply aren't sensitive to it, and if you're not, great. I couldn't recommend this headphone more if it doesn't bother you. Clear sound, great price, fantastic soundstage and imaging. Extremely comfortable. But I had no idea that one single flaw could make me hate a headphone so much that I returned it the next day.
I'm personally a huge fan of the AKG K371. It is just unusually revealing in the bass and midbass regions so poor quality track encoding or poor quality mixing/mastering/recordings will sound very odd on the K371. It's been on sale for a bit now at around $110 and it's a great value at that price. Stage is very wide but not spectacularly deep. Imaging is also good and sound sources are placed accurately. Detail retrieval is also good throughout its FR and it has some nicely managed treble gain with an anti-fatigue notch that keeps it from being overly harsh or shouty. It's also only 32ohm and high sensitivity, making it trivially easy to drive. The extra bass gain that they got from the large driver in a sealed design also doesn't go amiss for gaming applications where you want to feel the punchy bass of gunfire or the rumble of an aggressively bassy background track. If you don't own this set then you should consider at least finding a shop near you to demo it at. It's pretty special and the price is very competitive. They even make a bluetooth version.
One of my favorites :)
I used to love my friends AKGs but I’ve been scared off buying any recently. Most reviews on Amazon say the build quality has absolutely tanked when their manufacturing location changed. I’ve been curious if these are counterfeits since the prices are always cheaper than other places, even though it says “AKG Store”
@@mrnelsonius5631 idk. The ones I got my friend came from Guitar Center. Quality seemed a bit on the low side for a "premium" product, but easily in line for the actual cost of the headphones. Seemed reasonably well made and very comfortable despite the lack of foam in the headband pad. The air cushion seems to work just fine and the ear pads are comfy and have pretty minimal clamping force, so they're not ideal for activities, but they are comfortable enough to wear for hours.
@@mrnelsonius5631 The K361 are definitely a cheaper variant, so maybe they are reviews on that one? Not sure. The K361 are still good headphones, just with a much lighter and more plastic-forward build. They are also more bass-heavy and have a muddier, less resolving sound signature. Not bad, but not as good as the K371, in my opinion. All else fails, I'd just buy them from a trusted seller and wait the extra shipping time to get them. Unfortunately, it looks like their pricing (as of October 22, 2022) has returned to around $175, which is considerably more expensive than I paid a few months ago. I still think they're a competitive offering even at that price, but then you're no longer at the "buy it just to see" kind of throwaway price point.
@@mndlessdrwer I own 560S but I've EQ'd them pretty heavily for daily use. They are technically excellent and everything people say about the sound stage and imaging is true. The treble doesn't need much help but the bass is quite pathetic for hip hop and the mids sound shoutty to me. A V shape EQ makes them considerably better. I'm interested in the K371 since they start out more naturally this way. I may keep both.
The DT990's are not made for gaming or listening to music but for audio production,things like mixing and mastering, of course they won't hold up in this comparison video.🤷♀
3:52 The KCS75 costs less than the shoelace in your left shoe and are hilariously competent for gaming (in a good way). With a headband they're lightweight and comfy, too.
yup however being smaller they don't provide same experience as if listening to speakers like HD5 series of sennhieser do, and they're staging is very limited as well as lack of proper timbre
Dekoni Elite Velour pads make the DT990 Pro sound much better. I also recommend getting the 80 ohm version as it has different driver - heavier moving mass which produces more low end. Second step is to mod them with kit from Customcans. It contains mass loading mod - you basically stick lead strips to the back of the driver to give more mass for the driver to push against which in conclusion makes the driver move more and produce more low end. Second part of that mod is taking out the stock damping material and replacing it with specifically chosen laser cut foam which tames the 8-10kHz peaks. After doing all of these mods the Beyerdynamic DT990 sound much better - top end is smooth and low end is richer.
Thanks so much, I found the video guide you're talking about! I ordered these headphones the other day, but unfortunately found this video a few minutes ago. :)
They have a return though, so I'll try listening to them first and decide whether or not it's salvageable with this mod. I'm very picky with comfort though and I expect to go through a few headphones before I find the right one, so I am glad I found this channel.
Why not just buy headphones that you enjoy and return them if you don’t? Modding them seems like way more effort than necessary for something you don’t enjoy.
@@KageBlink did u keep the 990 or went for something else im new to this space would appreciate any advice
@@lexlee5836 I actually got them, the sound was pretty good I have a denon receiver to drive them. Long story short I broke the cable by dropping the stereo when moving my desk. I tried to do a balanced cable mod and ended up ruining the drivers.
I ended up buying a pair of sennheiser 6xx, I like them, but I’m thinking of buying another pair of dt990s 250ohm because I really liked the way they sound. They had a much more open feel to them, immediately comfortable as soon as I put them on. The sennheisers has a long way to go in terms of comfort, because of the clamping force, so it’ll take a long time for me to wear them out due to the shape of my head.
They’re fine, I would go with those if you don’t have an amp or a receiver.
Thanks for the video! Decided to get the HD 6xx instead of the DT900 Pro after watching this. I game, but I mostly want to listen to music with this headphone.
More of a neutral bright headphone the 100-200hz is only like 3db above the target it doesn't make it muddy. Although it does lack sub bass below 75hz. Only major issues are the bumps around 7-9khz as those are the sibilance frequencies.
I really enjoy my pair from custom cans (mass loading mod, dampening and fully open back), it really helps with that bottom end and a 2db drop on that treble peak has stopped it from being sibilant while still being characteristic of a 990
I agree, the dt990 pro was very harsh in both the high and low tones when i got it at first. But i have had them for 3 years now and they sound ridiculously good. they are also very comfortable, i have large ears and a big head too, there fore i do not agree with what is stated hear about the comfort.
DT 990 PRO (250ohm or 80ohm) + Zen Dac V2 + Zen Can + Xbass is just pure happiness to my ears. The Burr Brown chip in the Zen Dac V2 will tame the high treble spikes from the 990’s and make em warm and delicious to listen to. My favorite is the 80ohms it’s like angels are pissing you in your mouth while gaming or anything else.
I have DT 990 Pro and Sennheiser HD 560s and love them both.
Which one do you prefer for fps games? I mainly play tarkov
Not much a gamer😀,but they are great for music,movies @@TableSideMilk
What did 990’s do to you
for less than 200 dollars you cant beat dt 990s this dude just is weird idk. the 990s are incredible. i actualkly prefer them over my HD 650 for gaming
This seems like a matter of a use case mismatch to me. These are meant for analysis use in audio engineering. The spike in certain frequencies is meant to allow for closer examination of certain elements in recordings and mixes and so on. These aren't really meant for recreational listening or pro gaming use.
I absolutely love my modded DT990 stock not the best but there's magic in them cans
It's weird to see you making this review again and not taking anything with you from the last time. I never had issues with the 250Ohm version of the 990 Pro sounding muddy, only the 80ohm version (and it's noticeable). The Tygr 300 R is ok, but not my cup of tea at all, very sterile and no musicality like the DT880 Pro but even more "mellow". My 990 Pro was a bit sibilant initially but after the pads wore in it sounds very balanced which is what a lot of others also say. I replaced the pads once, but that brought back the harsh highs so I just kept the old pads on, problem solved.
Wanna have a good and cheap pair of headphones that have great imaging, are light and open and non-intrusive? Get some Apple earpods for $15. They've been my go to for gaming and I've tried a lot of headphones/in-ears.
Lovely video! Do you mind putting up the other headphone's FR as well? If you're gonna go through the trouble of putting up the 990's FR, it would be really nice to see all the other FRs as well! :D
What do you choose, i just bought dt 900 pro x, and i feel it's more bommy for the bass, and less high. And i heard some review that sennheiser hd560 is good for listing pleasure and mixing too. I confiused so bad :( , so what do you things should i change my dt 900 pro x to hd 560 or stay? thaknyou and please answer mee if you guys have the answer
I just demo'd the HD 560S yesterday at an audio store and holy ballz was I impressed with it! It instantly reminded me of my HD 660S. It's wonderful, even had great bass, and it's just so clear and very very comfortable. If I didn't have so many other headphones at different price points and capabilities I would have bought it, but it's my 💯 new recommendation for
It lacks bass and "fun". It's very good but it's not for everyone!
@@Mr.Deeds. Really? Everyone says its bass "extends well and deep", but does it lack the thumpiness you get from a closed-back headphone? Does equalizer help?
@@ashishbarthwal6961 The 560S? if you are looking to get deep bass forget it... it' s meh. Equalizer helps to some extent..but it's always weak compared to a proper closed back. Get the AKG 371 (good overall bass+mids+highs)or Beyer D700X (closed) ~ D900X (openback) or the Sony mdr m1a2 (very good bass, weaker build quality).
@@Mr.Deeds. What about the other things? The mids, highs, soundstage, gaming(tracking opponents)? If it performs better than its competitors in these regards then I can live with weak bass(I can switch to my closed-backs if bass is what I crave for)
@@ashishbarthwal6961 My honest opinion: DT900 PRO X.
THANK YOU! Pls more of these warning videos.
Not a single audio professional I have seen or heard talk about these so far has said a single bad word about these headphones or any model of Beyerdynamic DT headphone. In fact it's only been immense praise. Out of curiosity are you advising consumers or audio professionals? I haven't tried them yet so I can't agree nor disagree, but I've got to be honest. Following the reviews from other content creators in the audio community that I trust. I'm pretty confident these will be an amazing headphone to produce, mix & master with. If they do turn out to be a bad audio product and don't impress me I'll come back here and update this comment show some love 😊
Update: I actually see(hear) what you're saying. Your ears are right! but! ...I have the 250ohm impedance pair of DT990 Pros, and my Headphone preamp is far too weak for me to hear them at their best, the higher the ohm the higher the audio quality but also the higher voltage required to power them sufficiently ... So I think if you really want to hear the headphone properly, considering that the 32ohm model of the DT 990 Pros is good for use on a phones dac, The 250ohm model is good studio grade external audio interfaces & the 80ohm is good for a bit of both. I have a UAD Volt 276 paired with these bins now & I'm gonna have to get a new headphone amplifier. To be able to use them with the VOLT. There is actually a 600ohm model too ... but i imagine they need a nuclear power station in between them and the interface 😁😅 jk ... but no these actually sound great! superb for mixing & mastering .. incredible!
I LOVED my DT 990 Pro 250 ohm paired with the Schiit Asgard 1 and 2. The eardrum drill tizziness just disappeared and they sounded so holographic, and also warm and full.
I gifted them away to a friend, and I miss them. They were so different from my DT 880 Edition 600 ohm, which I still have and also love.
Eardrum drill disappeard you say, let me tell you this; I have DT900 Pro's 250 ohm too. I use it mostly with my pc config and last few months I was away from my PC. Few days ago I came back, started again to use them and god damn ear piercing high's are back. It's all matter of your ears and brain getting used to it, trust me. It's no bad headphones but I have very sensitive hearing and using it with rolled off highs is still it's ear piercing.
I have an Asgard 3 and they do take the sharp edge off of the DT 990. The 600 ohm sounds a little more refined than the 250 ohm Pro version though, but the difference is small.
This is an awesome video, very calm talking
Perhaps you should have mentioned that the DT990 600 ohms are also an alternative. Because these do not have too stark treble and are just perfect for guitar-heavy music. I love them for string instruments.
The very previous video on this channel, linked in video description, tests 3 versions of the 990 Premium and finds that the 600ohm one is by far the most trebly of the three.
@@Unbrutal_Rawr It depends on the amp.
@@thomaskohler5181 If your amp has EQ built in...
No, I use the Xduoo Ta26 and it works just fine - without any harsh treble ;-)@@launchpadmcquack98
I kinda have to disagree with this. I personally hate the DT990 out the box, but when its burned in and the pads have flattened, its one of the most smoothest headphones out there.
I used them for years and went thogh an few origal pads and than switched to dekoni velur and realy liked it.
i feel like this video completely ignores the fact that sound signature is a personal *preference* and also that analytical headphones like the 990 are great for gaming because of how easy it makes it to hear footsteps and other noises. i have them and i use it for gaming, listening, and audio production and i love it for all of them. some people just like bright headphones
I got em for 95$ and for that price they are unmatched but if I was buying for full price then the 560s seems like a much better option
Sonarworks only have the 250’s version, but I got the 80’s version. Anyone know if it’s acceptable to use the correction of the 250’s version anyway? How much does it really differ?
I was literally planning to buy it.
I know that the treble is bad but I also heard that treble can be mostly solved via eq
nah. you cant fix something like that with eq sry - just buy a good headphone :)
Would be neat to see the same graph you showed for the DT990 for all the other headphones
There are some good databases, you just have it look it up.
@@NoHairMan Would love to see a link my man. The internet is a big ass place lol
@@OfoeNelson I think the reply got deleted so I can't give you links.
Try searching:
"headphonedatabase"
"Crinacle database"
"rtings database" (dont read the reviews there)
I recommend reading Crin's "Graphs 101: How to Read Headphone Measurements" before you jump in.
@@NoHairMan Ok thanks man. Appreciate it.
@@OfoeNelson You are welcome
"Needs more juice", this saying really grates on me, can you quantify that for me/us? Because the only way I know how to give something "more juice" is by turning the volume up, a 6w amp vs a 1w amp both volume matched will be providing the same "juice", as long as your not clipping it should be fine.
You are interpreting that correctly. The issue is most PCs don't have 1w to give. There is also a ton of interference internally in a PC that effects the sound of onboard audio. A budget level amp outside the case can be a big step up in available volume and distortion levels. There are some higher end mobos that do have much better isolation for audio signals and higher wattage, but they are pretty expensive.
Every datasheet lists impedance and sensitivity
just can't drive many headphones to satisfying volume with something like the EU version of the apple dongle
You can use a headphone power calculator. While a 1W and 6W source will give you the same voltage they may not give you the same current.
Basically
If you turn up the volume, all it does is increase it
If you give it more juice, all the sounds go up equally
In other words, increase volume only increases it for some frequencies because it doesn't have enough power to drive everything correctly
There's also "noise" and a few other assorted things but that's basically the dumbed down version
torque curves for a frequency response, that's the amplifier and dac's job
What about HarmonicDyne Seus ?
It's very good for gaming and for music (if you love warmer sound)
No need Amplifier.
Beyerdynamic DT 990 Sound Demo:
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Thanks
Weird, on crin's graph the dt990 pro looks way less bright and more neutral. Still great review tho
Not bad, just different. I have Sundaras and 990s. Even though the Sundaras are lower impedance, they are nearly as power hungry as the 990s, at least through my Schiit Stack 3+. I had the Sennheiser gaming headset as well and positional audio is better on the 990 and the HD598 imo. The 598 is actually the best positional audio i have heard, The mic on that gaming headset is very nice, though. I had the 6xx before any of the aforementioned cans and they ended up just seeming boring after I bought other things . Safe is a nicer term. The Sundaras are amazing for the price and have really grown on me in this price range. I want to try the 1990s, because if they truly improve on the 990 sound, they might be perfect for me.
which headphones do you think is the best for gaming? i’m stuck between 990 pros 250 or the 6XX people keep saying different things
@@itshammy62856XX Is the one to steal the spotlight!
Nice video. The dt990pro was my start in this hobby 6 or 7 years ago and I just recently gave mine to my dad. I am form Germany so here the 990pro are extremely cheap normally like 115€ so I think for that the served me well over the years and for me the highs were never that big of a problem a now my dad does not hear these frequencies so well so also no problem. I just recently upgraded to pc38x for gaming and t60 agons and focal clear mg for music. Though I have to say I find the focal even better for gaming.
What do you think about T60 Argon? Mine are sometimes sharp but other than that its very good
Does the headband on your clear mg creak? Mine creaks and I'm wondering if it's normal
@@triskelion2778 yes my headband crackers too from time to time. Should not be for that price.
@@soulfulfool yeah they can be sharp I thought they were a little more chill so I am still trying different pads.
@@triskelion2778 my Clear OG headband creak xD one guy used teflon spray to get rid of it but I didnt test it yet
I'm still using my 2013 Astro A40. I think astro quickly noticed that they made way too good of a product and quickly corrected that in 2015 with the TR version which is garbage.
It's a real shame mine are now slowly dying after 11 years because it's impossible to replace. Have looked at multiple alternatives and tried a few, none have been up there with the old A40. :(
lol
Open back headphones are for mixing and audio production not gaming lmaooo
Some people forget that the 990s ARE MEANT FOR MIXING AND MASTERING NOT GAMING AND MUSIC LISTENING
This hp is expressly made for mixing/tracking. Why is DMS reviewing this as a listening pleasure headphone? The dt990 has exaggerated highs so that you can hear every detail and carve them as desired, and hear where the bass is sitting or missing. They have a signature that you're supposed to use as a tool.
This is a common narrative you see for these headphones but it's actually not what you want as a maxing/mastering reference point. It's okay to use it as a tool, but you have to also know that this isn't what stuff is supposed to sound like.
Yes, we know. That's why you'll mainly find this headphone in music gear stores. We try mixes on all kinds of speakers - headphones, radio's, in the car, on TV's. The 990 is very useful when we know how it translates broadly. Getting to know the tools allows us to skillfully use them.