Photo experiment: Photographing landscapes with the old Canon 50D!

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  • @jamesfoster7310
    @jamesfoster7310 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I used to use a Praktika MTL5B and that was my last SLR until I bought a 50D last week. I just need some good weather and time off work to get the chance to use it. I loved the photographs you took during the shooting of this video. I would be proud to be able to produce this quality.

    • @RiskyDrake
      @RiskyDrake 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Me too, what is it (MTL5B)?

  • @MrRensan404
    @MrRensan404 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I have a 50D that I bought new in 2008. I still use this camera to this day and it produces very good quality pictures. I also have a 5D Mark lll, and given adequate lighting and a good lens, the former will not be left behind by the latter with the picture quality that it can produce. The 50D is solidly built. The last of the xxD series made with a magnesium alloy body. The 70D and 80D that followed were built with a composite plastic material that makes it lighter and feels like a toy. The 50D uses CF cards hence a pricier card but buffers better. I was particularly interested in your video because I wanted to see if you will arrive at the same results I get. I am happy that you have the same conclusion, that the 50D’s technology can still produce great pictures. Thanks for your test and video.

  • @shekharswarnakar5592
    @shekharswarnakar5592 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Canon EOS 50D is still relevant to this day. I'm using my 50D which I purchased back in 2012 and it still works like a champion. I don't feel the need of upgrading to a newer model hence I'm planning to keep on using it for a couple more years.

    • @scarfy
      @scarfy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Did you have problems because of shutter count limit?
      I want to buy canon 50D that was used for 70$ but I am worried that it would stop working soon because of shutter count limit...

    • @shekharswarnakar5592
      @shekharswarnakar5592 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@scarfy Honestly speaking, I've been using my EOS 50D for over 9 years now and till date I never encountered any such issues regarding the shutter. Whenever I go out to shoot with my camera, it performs exactly the same as it did the very first day I bought it back in January of 2012. I don't have any other camera apart from this, hence whenever I shoot I shoot with this one itself and and I've taken thousands and thousands of pictures with it but till date the shutter is working absolutely flawlessly, no problems there at all. And yeah, EOS 50D was the last model in the EOS XXD lineup that was built using magnesium alloy, the models which came after this like the 60D, 70D, 80D or even the 90D all of them are made up of plastic. And the 60D that came after this was sort of a downgrade because the sensor on that one is of a lower quality. Just Google about it, you'll find hundreds of articles mentioning the same.
      The only drawback of this camera is that it doesn't have native video recording capability however you can get away with it using magic lantern software. I personally don't shoot videos at all, I only shoot stills and for that it's a stupendous camera. My brother's having a 5D MkIV and to be very honest the daytime pictures look quite similar in both cameras barring a very few differences which is hardly noticeable, that good the EOS 50D is. And if you're getting it under $70 I would say it's an amazing deal. But before purchasing you must check the camera properly for fungus or any other physical damages that may have happened to the camera.

    • @scarfy
      @scarfy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@shekharswarnakar5592 thank you so much for answer, video recording is not a big deal because I will not use it anyway...
      I want to get into photography (To shoot nature,cars,etc...) so I was looking for decent camera because I don't want to spend like a 1000$ on first camera because I don't know if photography is something I will enjoy and after reading your answer I will definitely buy it and hope it would be something I will enjoy 😄

    • @shekharswarnakar5592
      @shekharswarnakar5592 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@scarfy Absolutely, go for it! You won't be disappointed. And happy clicking! 😊☺️

    • @scarfy
      @scarfy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@shekharswarnakar5592 Thank you😌❤️

  • @VinceWatches
    @VinceWatches ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A good photo is not about dynamic range or sharpness, it is all about the atmosphere created...to do so and with good photographic skills, I highly recommend a 40 or 50D or a 5D or 5D MKII. These camera are already classics and deserve to be used and well maintained. DSLR are becoming rarer, let's preserve them.

    • @davemoisan9355
      @davemoisan9355 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My first camera is the canon eos 50D of my mom and for a first camera I think im very lucky to have it and already love all the pictures I have yet with it so I agree totally with your comment

  • @chrisjackson3144
    @chrisjackson3144 7 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I've only recently upgraded to a 50D from an even older 20D. I'm loving the improvements and extra features, and I'm really pleased with the pictures that I get from it.
    In my opinion you got some awesome shots. Sure, you may notice the difference if you are coming from a much newer and higher spec camera like a 5D mk III but for a newbie I think it's a fantastic camera, and you would not be disappointed, (so long as you don't want to shoot video).

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Chris Jackson great point

    • @sergioserramusic
      @sergioserramusic 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      There's Magic Lantern for that :D

  • @miaa8376
    @miaa8376 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Love this. I'm a fine arts photographer, and I wouldn't change my 50d for nothing in the world. I love it entirely. And it takes super pictures. Of course is not that hi tech like the other cameras, but it's picture quality is perfect. All you need is the right lens and that's it. It will take even better shots than a 70d.

    • @Selahhhhhhhhhhh
      @Selahhhhhhhhhhh 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      What lens will you recommend for a beginner? I travel a lot so scenery is the biggest thing.

    • @cosner1971
      @cosner1971 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wich lens you recomend for the 50 D?

    • @questionthis4417
      @questionthis4417 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lukitas Street late to this thread but I’d say for a cheaper lens maybe a canon 55-200mm or for for a perfect lens a white series 70-200 f4

  • @gilang27
    @gilang27 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Great shot! I don't think 50D is outdated enough. Sure it's been 10 years. But looking at your results really make me think twice.

  • @marieta.s
    @marieta.s 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    In the old film days it did not really matter what kind of body we used to have but the selection of film and the glass in front of it. Therefore we could have a body for years at a lesser cost. Having said that, the advancement in technology has made possible to shoot things that in the old film days was simply not possible. I am all for digital photography and wouldn't change it for the world. However, we are now using electronics and as with most things we need to upgrade every few years and spend considerable amounts of money. There are pros and cons in both situations. But you definitely proved that gear doesn't really matter. If you know what you are doing gear matters and doesn't matter at the same time. Nice shots though.

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +Marieta Tsoukoukou thanks for your feedback ... new camera are coming out all the time and people think that that will improve their photography. It's true that technical quality will grow but the artistic value will not

    • @arctichare8185
      @arctichare8185 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is true. A film camera was good for years and years. For example the Nikon FM2 was like a tank, trustworthy in all conditions and lasted easily a decade, doing just what a camera was supposed to do.

  • @Halfpint71
    @Halfpint71 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I only sold my 40D a couple of years ago. I bought a 2nd hand 7D to replace it. The 40D was an awesome camera, I couldn't fault it. The only downside was the amount of noise at ISO 400 and above. I don't think the later models addressed this until the 70D.
    These images with the 50D prove, yet again, that gear doesn't matter. Shoot with what you got and make yourself a better photographer. Good video

  • @thomascarlsson7722
    @thomascarlsson7722 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yeah. The 50D is old but good. I have one in my hand now(sc 3245) that I bought few weeks ago. Price 175€. Camera is like new in the box. The use of a remote control with cable attached to the camera is the best if You want to ensure the contact to 100%. Never issues with lost transmission. This is important if You shoot wildlife with something coming up fast. Cable remote from Canon works. Like the 50D. It still even in April 2023 makes quite good photos.

  • @iansoutdoorsrecovery7971
    @iansoutdoorsrecovery7971 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    hi tom beautiful images really proves that you don't need the most up-to-date gear and pay a lot to get out and take beautiful landscape photos

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Ian Rhodes thanks for watching

  • @duenenchiller
    @duenenchiller 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Hi Tom, i also thing that the Canon 50D can produce fine and beautiful images. It's sure a camera for a beginner, but also for Pro's and powerusers. It is not a question of latest gear. The lenses are more the point. You show us that a Camera from 2008 in the right hand can make the difference.

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Stefan Hammerl I wanted to try it with simple lenses but didn't had one

  • @MidwestAdventureTeam
    @MidwestAdventureTeam 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Its not the camera its the operator.
    There are some pretty amazing photos from cameras 75 years old. All before we had all this digital goodness and editing software.

  • @paul-c7541
    @paul-c7541 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I adore my 50d it's my go to camera, I also have a 5d, but enjoy using the 50d more she's taught me so much about photography, & my mistakes, this mature lady is still the boss in my camera bag.

  • @Charlie277
    @Charlie277 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm still using the 50d special for macrophotography it give's my 100mm macro a lengt off 160mm

  • @frankkoenig1411
    @frankkoenig1411 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Tom, I just discovered your channel. Your pictures from the Dolomites.... amazing! Realy considering signing up for the 2018 tour. Regarding this video and the 50D. Professional photographers used to have the 50D as a back up camera back then and people loved the images that were produced with it. I'm always astound that "we" seem think that cameras lose their capabilities to capture great photographs as soon as the next model comes out. Sure, technology developes (dynamic range, low light performance etc.) but all those great images captured on the older models are still there... in my humbale opinion all those old cameras are capable of capturing great images. As Ansel Adames just to say: "The single most componat of a camera is the twelve inches behind it". And as you say: " keep taking pictures. It's the only way you get better" :) Thanks for making those videos

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Frank Koenig Thanks for the feedback. There are few persons asking about the photo tour in the Dolomites. So if you decide send me an email to talk some more.

  • @krasimirkrastev110
    @krasimirkrastev110 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    great pictures. I recently got EOS 50D but something looks wrong... when I take landscape photos and I make my settings I have this kind of problem... when the ground is well exposed the sky and the clouds are way too over exposed and you can't see anything... it is too bright and when I make faster shutter speed to fix that I have perfect sky and clouds but the ground is way too under exposed... I can fix that with lightroom after that but I was wondering if it is coz the camera is really old or there is some kind of problem wih the sensor probablly or I don't know

    • @samchoate1719
      @samchoate1719 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am a beginner myself and wonder this same thing.

    • @buchsg
      @buchsg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s just cause of the dynamic range of all cameras, even the neewer... you need either to bracket ( take one shoot for the sky and one for the ground, blend them in post to have a proper expose photo) or buy some graduated neutral density filter to reduce the exposure only in the sky
      Hope it can help

  • @RayHoth
    @RayHoth 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    That is funny because I am using the even older 40D. :)

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Ray Hoth the original idea was to use something la 10d but 50d is the oldest camera I had

    • @RayHoth
      @RayHoth 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's Ok man, great video, gives me hope with my camera. Your photos in the video were fantastic! Now I just need to get to a place where there's some decent landscape.

    • @rokpodlogar6062
      @rokpodlogar6062 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      i've found 40D's lcd screen is really bad for judging the quality of the shot taken.

    • @sergioserramusic
      @sergioserramusic 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually the 40D presented less noise, since its pixels were bigger and less dense. Anyway, great camera, built like a tank. When the 60D came out it seemed more like a 1100D under steroids

  • @Diostillrocks
    @Diostillrocks 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The true successor of the 50D is the 7D. The 60D was a downgrade from the 50D if you don't include the video features.

  • @lindefraser9148
    @lindefraser9148 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think this was a very useful experiment and one that I was particularly interested in as I am currently using an older Canon as well and wondering even with a good lens how much difference there would be with the 70 or 80D. I loved the photos you took, the scenes and colours were lovely but I did think I noticed some lesser degree of clarity, sharpness in the distance and even close up in the blades of grass on the hill when compared with those you usually post. Perhaps there were other variables such as lens etc. as well. Thank you for showing me this experiment. I'm ok with the older model for now but will want to upgrade when I can.

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Linde Fraser Yes the sharpness and level of detail is lower than my nirmal camera. If you don't have neither the 70d or the 80d than go for the 80d. I have it for filming these vlogs and I like it a lot

  • @sergioserramusic
    @sergioserramusic 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! I have a 50D, recently bought it used to upgrade from an even more dated 450D, but I like this camera even though its age. It has a decent burst, I was able to get good wildlife images out of it, maybe it's not the greatest for night photography but it can shoot landscapes. Anyway, soon I'll be getting a 6D, I really can't wait

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Sergio Serra I have a 6d and I'm happy with it

  • @johnbentley1056
    @johnbentley1056 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful images. You certainly prove that you don't need the latest and greatest to enjoy landscape photography. You can get great images out of a older or beginner level camera. Thank you sharing.

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +John Bentley thank you

  • @zanmajcen437
    @zanmajcen437 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey Tom :) Maybe you should try another photo experiment with Canon 50D - new firmware Magic Lanter...

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's an interesting suggestion

  • @kimmunch6780
    @kimmunch6780 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Tom! I have watched a couple of your videos and am excited to find your channel - I'm looking forward to checking out more! I think you have a great manner in front of the camera and I very much appreciate you sharing your knowledge, talent and enthusiasm - it's inspiring! Thank you :)

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Kim Munch Thanks for watching and your appreciation

  • @edwardlee1815
    @edwardlee1815 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always enjoy your videos and especially your down to earth presentation. Its as if you are talking directly to me. Thanks for all your efforts and time you put into your videos.

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Edward Lee thank you for your time and comment

  • @tmjcbs
    @tmjcbs 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    What an incredible noise these crickets (I presume) make!

  • @FuriousCommunist
    @FuriousCommunist ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you make some timelapses with this 50D and show em to us?

  • @anthares1232
    @anthares1232 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice work mate! I really like these magical pictures

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +anthares123 appreciated 😀

  • @ardanaadi1364
    @ardanaadi1364 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    ive been considering to buy 50D right now. in ur opinion, tom, is it worth to buy a 50D for a begginer? am just a hobbyist and not a full-time phorographer. and i have a limited budget.

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would go for the Canon 60D or maybe the 70D

  • @ShahrulAzwanSahbudin
    @ShahrulAzwanSahbudin 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    while 50D is an old camera, i'm still using 500D....

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Shahrul Azwan Sahbudin that was the oldest I had 😀

  • @josecrespo1973
    @josecrespo1973 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I see you really enjoy these experiments. You have more relax and want to joke more... that's a good thing! Make more experimental videos and you will be happier!! 😉😉

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Jose Crespo Foto that's a good idea

  • @Naturfotografiekanal
    @Naturfotografiekanal 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am using the EOS20D. It's still good and more than enough for nature photography for TH-cam with 4k. But thinking of 40D or 50D, because of the automatic Sensor cleaning. (Had also an 40D. But it was not so long alive than the 20D)

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Th Automatic Sensor cleaning doesn't work. It's just a marketing thing. Yes, it vibrates the sensor but this doesn't remove the true dust spots. I have this feature on all my cameras and it's not a buying decision factor, in my opinion

    • @Naturfotografiekanal
      @Naturfotografiekanal 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You are right. But the Sensor glass is also coated better. In this combination, with the vibrating "Sensor automatic cleaning" i had mutch less often to clean the 40D Sensor, than the 20D. The 40D and the newer also have Data from the dust, to minimize the visible steads. So it's mutch more practicable, when regular lot of photos will be taken.

  • @ianpearson8567
    @ianpearson8567 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sound's like a good camera, I have heard of a camera app for android called DSLR Controller, any chance of making a review and a field test?

  • @nettyvoyager6336
    @nettyvoyager6336 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    and another thing you need a decent graphics card in you computer and an equally good monitor OLED to really see the difference raw nef files are so easy to manipulate and you can really hammer it without to much picture degradation i think you will be surprised by your own results and dont forget we dont all see the same colour light etc so what you think is good might be bad to someone else it is all about the point out view and perspective from the other person or persons

  • @luistavares6670
    @luistavares6670 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic photos as usual, nice vlogs I am watching you in Brazil.

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +luis tavares Hi there and thanks for your time

  • @QGSantiago
    @QGSantiago 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I dont have to much money, but i want to start at DSLR photography... I was going to Buy the Canon Rebel T6 - 1300D. But i just saw this camera and i got in love with it. And in my country i can get it even cheaper than the Canon T6... Can someone tell me if it is worth it to buy This Canon 50D over the T6? Im really confused. Thank you.

    • @Wastelander13
      @Wastelander13 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I bought the Canon 1200D last year because it was the only one I could aford! It was new and I have two years of warranty on it while on an used one I will only have a few month! You never know the shape of an used camera... Well, thats my personal way of thinking of course, many people buy used gear and are happy with it! One other important point to me, I like the weight of the 1200 D while backpacking! Cherrs!

    • @tHaH4x0r
      @tHaH4x0r 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was in the same boat as you, and i went for a used 50D. So far, not disappointing at all. I think, if you think you will really be into photography, the 50D is the way to go. I dont say that for image quality or whatever, but interface and build quality. Having a thumbwheel for exposure comp. or (in manual mode) aperature whilst also having the index finger wheel, is super handy and a lot more like pro models which you are likely to upgrade to. The magnesium body is indestructible, and the camera feels dependable and reliable in the hands. Not plasticy.
      However, I think if you intend the camera just for holiday pics the T6 is better to go.
      Oh and forgot to mention, if you intend to shoot video, go for the T6 too.

  • @toddlarcombe8973
    @toddlarcombe8973 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I enjoyed doing the 50mm challenge but i don't have a older camera to do this one.
    Have you thought about getting people to send you photos to critique?
    The shots from the 50d look washed out if its not the style you went for. I do like the look but its not a very clear image.
    You could do a phone camera challenge 😊

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The 50d has lower clarity in images: it's just like looking at old images :)

    • @toddlarcombe8973
      @toddlarcombe8973 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Photo Tom 2008 is not that old tho 😂

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      True :) ... but the advancements in photographic technology are huge compared to other periods

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      plus that was the oldest camera I had :)

    • @toddlarcombe8973
      @toddlarcombe8973 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Photo Tom digital gets better so fast but when you think about what a smart phone has inside it i think dslr is kinda lagging behind. I think it was a Nokia phone that has a 42mp camera in it. kinda amazing.
      Yes as you said the color and light range is limited but you can make some interesting photos with it. kinda like using a film camera with a light leak. Fun to use and you can work with it but it has limitations.

  • @mujahidurrehman
    @mujahidurrehman 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    cool location. nice experiment. congrats on 8k subs.

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Mujahid's Photography thanks 😊

  • @godofhope
    @godofhope 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    But where is the follow up video where the actual picture quality is judged??

  • @rebeccad8946
    @rebeccad8946 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What lens

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Canon 24-105mm f4 L

  • @affanovi2047
    @affanovi2047 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    great sir❤

  • @nettyvoyager6336
    @nettyvoyager6336 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    nothing really changed they added a few bits slapped in a bit of new software but really the cameras are all the same the difference is negligible really its technology in its infancy still

  • @nettyvoyager6336
    @nettyvoyager6336 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    the screens on these cameras dont show you anything really always best to have live view and a good 7" monitor hd you can manage that on a small rig :)

  • @Emranshikder
    @Emranshikder 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +emran shikder 👍

  • @PatOutdoorify
    @PatOutdoorify 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I realy like you videos, but aren`t you comparing apples with pears in this test? A VW Golf GTI from 1988 will not have the same driving characteristics then one from last week? I think you can still capture great images with a 50D. People have a tendency to drown in gear and forget the true essence of photography, not?

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, yes the new cameras offer superior technical features but I just wanted to show that even using an older camera you can still get good photos

    • @PatOutdoorify
      @PatOutdoorify 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      then I probably misunderstood your point in the video, my bad. I`m with you on the point that an "older" camera can still make stunning photo`s.

  • @vincentvangogh4174
    @vincentvangogh4174 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is nothing. I'm still using 20D from 2004.

  • @coldensheppard6221
    @coldensheppard6221 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol ok so your still using a L series lens, do a video with a canon T2i with a 18-55mm or 18-135mm kit lens and see if you can produce the same quality of photos you’ve taken in this video, beginner photographers can not afford L series lens, I am sorry, but this doesn’t prove your point of not needing expensive or right equipment to take the photo, but great photos by the way, I find them inspiring all the same

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm sorry my videos lack the quality you are looking for

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But I'll make a video with some cheap lenses

  • @shootingstar92345
    @shootingstar92345 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're funny

  • @pinkeye00
    @pinkeye00 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Really ... OLD camera" . lmao. I can tell by your 3:52 auto-focus remote setup lies and say ... move back to a 10D bruh. about how far you've come.

  • @nectarie2001
    @nectarie2001 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    8k :0

    • @BonciuToma
      @BonciuToma  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +nectarie2001 😀