BOTH ICE MACHINES ARE DOWN
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ค. 2024
- So they did not lose both ice machines at the same time, usually one goes down and they aren't that busy so they don't even notice. Than the other goes down and they are in panic mode.
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Owner: there's two ice machines, so there will always be ice, so the business can stay open and make money.
Manager: there's two ice machines, so I wait with calling service until both are down, to save money.
If that's the "thinking" of MY Manager, they'll be my EX-Manager REALLY frigging quick...
If I owned a Restaurant, I'd tell ALL my Manglement Staff that we have redundant equipment (2 Ice Machines, 2 Fryers etc.) for a reason and when one fails, THAT'S THE TIME TO CALL THE REPAIR TECH...
Waiting until both fail before calling the Repair Techs WILL get you Fired FOR CAUSE!!!
Not only would I tell them that during Training, but it'll also be written down in the Policy Manual too...
Another Policy I'd have is Preventative Maintenance is the BEST way to save money/cut costs...keeping the equipment (especially the roof mounted A/C's & Exhaust Fans) clean and in good working order is the best possible way to prevent expensive downtime/repairs due to broken equipment so the first time ANYONE cheeps out on PM to "Save Money" to the last time they work for me...Cheeping out on PM is also a Fireable Offense...and I don't care if you've never had a verbal or written warning before, make either mistake and it's strike one, you're out!
@@HappilyHomicidalHooligan how u make money though?
@@sk31370n Simple, I make money by always having at least one machine of each type operational so I can ALWAYS provide whatever item my Menus offer to any customer that wants it even if a machine fails, the other one will be able to make the product while the first one is getting fixed and if both are currently working, I can make product that much faster decreasing lunch/dinner rush wait times, making my customers happy and more willing to come back again...
Happy Customers = repeat paying customers = more money for the business = ability to give employees Raises = happy employees = faster working employees = better customer service = happy customers etc. ad nauseum...
The people who clean the ice machines have no idea whatsoever how the machine they get paid to clean operates. But let's be crystal clear here. YOU are the best thing that ever happened to these clients. Thanks for the video, Chris!
Nothing wrong with talking to yourself - heck it's even encouraged sometimes. Pilots are encouraged or even required to speak out loud the steps they are going through, and it's not just for the sake of verification/communication. There are many studies showing that so called "self-explaining" is very effective.
Agreed. I walk myself through almost everything I do just cause I easily forget what im supposed to be doing. Talkin to myself keeps me from missing something. Very important when you are dealing with equipment that stores cash, ATM, safes, etc, or equipment that has dangerous chemicals in it that could potentially kill someone if you miss a step.
I gotta agree with this. I've just started flying lessons and I'm naturally doing it without even thinking about it.
It's not unusual for certain electronics to enter "programming mode" when the touchpad is failing. Probably from false signals e.g. "hold down X button for 30 seconds to enter programming mode". Also makes the other buttons non-responsive when it thinks one is held down 100% of the time.
What you know about ice m
mhm. happens to a lot of things
Q: what's the opposite of ice?
A: *noice*
Honestly, I don't watch your videos for the tutorial aspect. I watch your videos because I enjoy watching a professional take the time and use knowledge plus experience to diagnose and service a problem. Keep up the good work!
I've replaced probably 15 of those touch pads in the last year. The buttons simply stop working. Same with those fan cycle switches, they exist primarily to keep the discharge pressure high enough during harvest, but the tiny switch inside it just can't handle the load of the fan. What I normally do is wire the fan through a real relay, and switch the relay with the fan cycle control. There's a brand that starts with H, and they make a far superior ice machine.
humidity+touchpads=bad. Have had a few electronic rainfall shower controls fail due to humidity...
Better not be talking about Hoshizski. I have a lot of problems with them. Bin switches are trash.
Also does anyone know if rooftop condensers are the normal. Every machine I work on is air cooled packaged unit.
@@Augdogfrogslog When i was in wisconsin, they were self contained package machines, but hvacr videos lives in a very dry/hot desert area, so exhaust heat will be a consideration, esp as he mostly does restaurants so the ice machines themselves will be in employee work zones. No point exhausting hot air into the zone to have another unit have to deal with it. Chris, if i'm wrong swear at me
@@Augdogfrogslog It'll all depend on the needs of the building, the location, etc. I've worked both self-contained standalone units and units with remote condensers. Self-contained units are easier to move around and more convenient to service (in some aspects), but split units are normally a little smaller and a lot quieter.
Ice machines are different, if you can fix a Trane Air conditioner you can pretty much fix a carrier. But just because you can fix a Hoshizaki doesn’t mean you can fix a Manitowoc. Especially with these modern machines they have so many different ways that they operate
I really dislike servicing Hoshizakis
Hoshizakis are the best ice machines hands down .
manitowoc is my favorite machine to work on
pretty much patent evasion tactics I guess.....
At One of the seminars Jared for Manitowoc told us that a yellow number two orange pencil is the perfect gap tool to adjust the probe distance on these water probes. I've used it a ton of times and it's worked perfect
yea the seminar I went to they were hesitant when someone mentioned the #2 pencil but then we got one and compared it to the drill bit they recommended to use and it checked out.
Love your videos Chris I always talk to myself as well nothing wrong with that ☺️? Keep safe dude I need more videos
Found it funny when you got stuck in the keypad test and missed the "5 > to exit" for awhile :)
Jump pin 3 and 6... Ive searched everywhere trying to find out what pins to jump... Thanks for sharing. lol
I've always used the oem fan control and pressure switches on the Manitowocs. I probably should start stocking aftermarket ones for when they are not available. I've always been told that Manitowoc ice machines do not do well with aftermarket switches. Even my local supply houses are afraid to recommend any for Manitowocs so I never did.
I will add to this, when looking at the display board from behind (installed on touchpad) jumper pin 3 and 6. I used a piece of strand wire bent into a u shape with a few strands pulled out to accommodate the pins. Sucks having to do it but they need ice and I don't have a display on hand yet.
I talk to myself while troubleshooting things as well. I'm the best person to have a conversation with lol.
Man you are hard core. I paused for like 15 minutes going through that bypass you did there. Must be terrifying running big guy like that completely lobotomized.
Ice makers are evil.
That Manitowoc board only gives you a small picture diagnosis .
Ice machine videos are awesome!
Man I wish I had you in my area. Or someone like you that could have fixed my ice-o-matic. It would not harvest the ice. I Called many local company’s and only one came to my house. He looked at it and said he thinks the push rod was bad. Charged me 75 dollars for nothing. Ended up giving it to my neighbor for scrap. I will never forget it. I will never call them again. Love your videos. Thanks for your videos
Nothing wrong with talking to yourself, it's something I do and it's helpful. A wise guy once told me that "You can talk to yourself, you can ask yourself questions, you can answer yourself, but you have to make sense to yourself." Seemed like a reasonable piece of advice to me.
That integrity you display in your character has been lost by our industry for a long time now....well done my friend!
I find ice machine videos really interesting & satisfying to watch 👍👍
Great diagnostic skills. Thank Chris.
Been awhile since there was an ice machine video.
Love your videos Chris!!
Another great video Chris! really enjoy the videos and learn from you troubleshooting machines
This was a badass service call, dude 🤙 Great video
An honest technician is a one that stays around for a long time
Thank you. I've learned so much from your videos, especially this video. This is something I've not been exposed to before.
Thumbs up for the work ethic. This country had it once. We need to learn it it again.
“Program Mode” on these units is an energy saving feature. You can set it to make ice during certain times, or produce a certain amount of ice (by pounds), then shut off for the day.
Lol Chris the guys I work with think I'm crazy since I talk to myself too..helps me focus while troubleshooting...as long as your not answering yourself you should be good
Awesome work as usual Chris.
I love a Manitowoc, especially the Indigo series lol. So many ways to make it work when lots of things fail. By the way, I need a water level probe and there are like 85 on back order from my vendor, such a pain! Also, using a very low abrasive type of cloth/paper will clean those water level probes to make them work, I usually use a dollar bill and then wipe it down with some sanitizer solution
I think the "Passed yes or no" is it asking you if it passed the button test, since it wouldn't know if you pressed a button it didn't register.
Our supply houses have had that water level sensor on backorder for 5 months. 😮💨
😂😂😂 I was in tears when you were stuck on the keypad hahaha
Chris, nothing wrong with talking to yourself. I talk to myself all the time when troubleshooting.
I love the ice machine videos. I service so many of these exact machines. Whether it be the Indigonor the Indigo NXT. The dual facing evaporators are what we work on. I love em, learning how these machines work when the work the way its supposed to helped me be able to service them properly.
I stock the peanut style aftermarkek fan cycling switch. After seeing the adjustable switch you used ,I will now use those instead of regular fan cycling switch. Thanks for that Chris. Learn something new everytime.
I hear that Bosch Burglary/Fire Keypad at 12:17. That sound is burned into my brain.
Command 4 on the Bosch keypad will silence the alarm.... fyi
@@HVACRVIDEOS it silences the trouble and alarm would need a code for a burg system, I'm a fire and burg tech. Make sure if you are going to silence it though to let a manager or owner know so it doesn't get ignored for a day or whatever the resounding timer is set to. Love the videos man, interesting to see the HVAC side of doing RTUS and Air Handlers.
Thanks for the tips 🙌
Oh Manitowoc, Oh Manitowoc excellent machine for the service guy but not so much for the restaurant or business owner . Control boards with siliconed components straight 🗑 .Ive replaced multiple boards on Manitowoc units and have only replaced one board on a Hoshizaki 🤷🏻♂️. On a different note Manitowoc recommends replacing the touchpad and the LCD screen although 95% of the time problem is the touchscreen not the LCD due to the thumb like buttons behind wear out . Good video .
You the man Chris
Hey man great work!
3:05 It is 6 in the morning and I am enjoining my coffee while waking up and watching this video
And now I am screaming at the screen: WHY DOESN'T IT READ!!! (south park reference)
You make great videos by the way!
Love your videos man!
Love you work. Even tho not a HVAC tech and have no interest in working with it. But love you videos
I’m not in this industry or even close, have never really had interest in it, wasn’t searching for it, but TH-cam auto played your videos anyway and I gotta say something about your style is very engaging. I enjoy watching them even if I don’t know anything about the equipment or the techniques lol, you explain just enough for me to kind of have an idea of what’s going on and how you’re fixing it. Good stuff 👍🏽
We have those machines where I work. As a maintenance mechanic, they are a pain in the ass. Always malfunctioning, or need new boards every year for some reason. Trying to troubleshoot/navigate the digitals is a double pain in the ass. As a union company, we dont like calling in outsiders if possible. I guess I'll watch this video 100 times to understand what to look for. 😅 Nice job with these!
3:14 lol i was screaming at you from here: Press > 5 times, it says it pretty clearly xD
Sometimes you need to speak with the most experienced troubleshooter... so you speaking to yourself is easily explained 😁
5> to exit. I was screaming it at you!!
Where I work, if there is an ice machine issue it's usually the water filters need to be changed or the condenser water is too cold.
And the company that cleans our rooftop coils ALWAYS screws something up! ALWAYS!!!!
Top video.
I feel ya pain I've worked on two ice machines today and both were a pain in my ass
Skip to 14:30 for the money shot.
Regarding that big unit you showed us where you had previously bypassed the circuit boards:
How much value does that circuit board add to the operation of the machine? Seems like you wired it to run just fine from the thermostat.
I too talk to myself while troubleshooting haha
0:12 The left hand ice machine went off on high head pressure
I was cheering you on to figurout out 5> to exit lol! It was so suspenseful!
MOAR ICE MACHINE VIDEOS! Haha good job man!
I’m not in the trade, but I really enjoy watching your videos. It’s always nice to see someone that takes pride in their profession.
Is there a YT channel that you recommend for residential HVAC videos? The lights in my new house dim for a split-second whenever the compressor starts up.
My parents had this problem on their house. It made me jump every time the a/c started. I was in the backyard one day and noticed the main ground wire was broken. Dad called Electric Company and 20 minutes later a boom truck and crew were out there fixing it. The power never flickered again. Anti DIY HVAC is a good channel with Ted Cook.
@@randalljoslin4582 Thanks for your input. I’ll check it out.
Those fan control switches fail a lot on those Manitowocs.
I’m with you on those probes. When I do cleanings and I see ice thickness and water level probes that bad I don’t even think twice I just replace on the spot. I used to leave them in a cup of cleaner for 10-15 and scrub it off and it would still fail. Waste of time better just to replace
Your not odd , talk to myself all the time, even more when I trouble shooting
I have purchased a number of this brand of ice maker, custom manufactured, voltage 240v 50 cycle. They're only as good as the service technician who works on them. This man knows his Manitowacs.
How lucky are you that the machines clean before you work on it, I spend too much time bringing machines back to clean to diagnose- usually cleaning fixes issue. 2000 gallon point of use filters and don’t call anyone till it breaks is law around my area
3:15 I was yelling at you to press > 5 times!!!!! :)
Wish someone like you was around to fix my advantco r290 fridge. Excellent machine, but used at home and it's currently an expensive pantry. 😞
Custom ice machine thickness tool - #2 Pencil. Exactly the right size...
Already knew it was a bad fan cycle switch when it had high pressure cut out on a Manitowoc
I might have to make one of those little things. I'm always losing my 1/8" allen key and don't always have bits on me.
Just from a FAS tech manitowoc had issues with the cable on the wlp. Also the pump and probe can be removed from a inside of bin no screws need to be removed. The engineers took advice from techs shocking I know
manitowoc is the best ice machine to work on
"notice it's not gonna move" proceeds to knock prob and it moves. Idk why found that hilarious 🤣
THOUGHT I WAS THE WEIRD ONE....THANK U FOR THIS ONE..OH AND GOD BLESS THE GENTELMAN THAT MDADE THE TOOL FOR U....
The low head pressure on these Manitowocs on harvest is by design. They call it a CVD, or Cool Vapor Defrost. "To make hot gas systems work, the compressor must be as physically close to the ice making evaporator as possible. This also means the noise from the compressor is always concentrated at the ice making part of the system. This is not something you want in a customer environment. Manitowoc CVD ice machines use vapor refrigerant from the receiver tank to harvest the ice." -- from Manitowoc literature
You’re not odd! Well, if you’re odd, I’m odd too!
not odd. cool af!
This is how I figure it if it doesn't work after I reset the breaker it's time to call a professional like yourself
lol at stuck in the keypad test menu's. press the right arrow 5 times to exit the test. 🤪
18:45 yeah, no, that's perfectly normal. Part of the process. Heck, i tell my team that if they need to chatter, to chatter the heck out of the process, no shame in that.
#2 pencil works just as well for bridge thickness
The ice thickness sensor on the Indigo machines isn't really a sensor. It's a microphone, and that's what its showing you on the control board the 'volume' of 100hz, and 120hz noise of the water trickling is what it's picking up. Be careful while running these machines with the covers off, I've had issues trying to troubleshoot something with the front panel off, and they have a radio or bluetooth speaker in the kitchen playing music extremely loud. Very loud music can mess it up. If all the covers are on the machine, it's good enough sound proofing, and doesn't seem to bother anything. Not much of an issue, but if you're working on one of these machines, tell them to keep the music down. Saves you two headaches, one from 'long freeze' and the other from the 90+ dB of loud music.... :D Keep up the good work.
Couple months ago We we’re fixing a manitowic ice machine like that and we needed a new display. We put it in and the some buttons were doing nothing. We maybe thought it was a faulty display or bad Circuit board. Maybe a half hour later we got it. It was off by an 1/16 of an inch from the front facing plastic cover. lmao 🤦♂️
What does a "long harvest" actually mean? I'm a trainee restaurant technician, the stores I'd work at all use Manitowoc machines and my knowledge is still very thin.
Woho more ice machines
I talk to myself when troubleshooting too
Fun fact, your standard #2 pencil is the correct spacing for the thickness sensor
the 2 guys we had teaching a Manitowoc class were hesitant when someone suggested this but I believe you are correct.
I did the thermostat in the return on a 50 ton intellipak. Board was or still is months out.
On a manitowoc if the fan cycle isn’t in line the fan will run 100% of the time causing a long harvest. Head pressure drops to low. They will never work bypassed.
Talking to myself is My method also get that same reaction
i have yet to see one of those "cleaned" ever. always some black shmoo hanging around somewhere.
i work on ice machines with the fountain beverage company i work for. we have plenty because my boss wants to be one stop shop for people beverage needs, aside from beer kegs.
and when i show up to an ice machine down i do the same thing, i restart it and watch it run. but what i didnt know with the Indigo series is that i could activate the relays and see what happens. some of our units are in areas with terrible water and that will be very useful.
of course we dont do the roof top compressor units. and when the compressors an issue im always out of my league.
Replaced many of those touch pads. No need to replace the display itself; the touch pad itself is always the problem.
Heyyyy YOGI.... Wanta get some picnic baskets?
Excellent video. Great details. On the Tee that you use, is that a female flare connector or a 1/4 SAE with rubber seals?
Looks like a swivel tee
Use it n toss on som leak lock on the permanent connections
The touch pad button check looked like it wanted the right position button to be depressed 5 x's to exit the test but I'm not sure.
04:28 - One reason tangles, kinks and twists and curls, too loose or too tight or too bent wires and hoses, too loose plugs & connectors etc. trigger my OCD. People don't know how bad it is to be careless about those.
Have you thought about creating a “master class” series for Patreon members with extra advanced training on HVAC/R systems that you don’t share on your normal videos?
little known fact about indigo series machines... up,up,down,down,left,right, menu, arrow = really bad game of pong
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Yea units with multiple compressor s if board bad and bypassed install and adjust adjustable low volt time delays accordingly start up timers accordingly Stage them