SLIP TEST - Fiat Panda Cross 4x4 vs Suzuki Ignis All Grip -
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Fiat Panda Cross 4x4 0.9 TwinAir (2019)
vs
Suzuki Ignis All Grip Auto 1.2 DualJet (2018)
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Short description (PL/EN) of Panda and Ignis awd systems: facebook.com/StacjaKontroliTrakcji/posts/1151898981954953
Would be nice to paste it here or somewhere outside of "must log in" website like facebook.
@@maXXik1337 There's no need to log in to read the above mentioned description.
Both cars are very popular here in the Dolomites mountains, Italy. Both are very good on the snow, the Panda is more effective in off-road. Both smart and practical cars.
Both cars seriously impressive
This is exactly the test I wanted, also the one comparing Jimny VS Ignis. Thanks a lot!
FIAT PANDA!!!! My car, i love it. Does not stop anywhere!!
Its a legent!!
Thank you for the test!!!
The Ignis is such a nice little car - I love it!
We got a 2017 allgrip and it did such a great job last winter!! We (West Germany) had not had that much snow and for so long in many years and it really showed what it's capable of. I felt absolutely safe the whole time while most other cars where sliding around like crazy. And it was a lot of fun too! I like it and would buy it again without a blink of an eye - I wouldn't mind a few more horses, but it's still fun!
I asked for this!!
Thank you!!
Suzuki and Fiat collaborated in producing the SX4/Seidici. Although it didn't look much like an off-roader, it was very capable, due to the great knowledge both companies have in making efficient small offroad vehicles.
It wasnt so much as a collab but a badge engineerd car. It was a suzuki with a fiat badge in certain markets
@@kyleb5518 That's wrong. The diesel engines were made by Fiat and the petrol engines by Suzuki. This said, both companies used the same powertrains for their respective cars in both petrol and diesel versions
@@kyleb5518 Suzuki didnt make much of the engine though in fact it was more of a Fiat nowadays the SX4 doenst exist anymore
It was a very fascinating test. 👍Thank you very much🇯🇵
Also compare the old 1980's Panda 4x4 to the new Panda Cross
Ecco, digliene che la vera panda 4*4 è quella vecchia
@@gusman9129 si ma la Panda vecchia non ha elettronica, con i differenziali liberi basta che una ruote per asse è sui rulli resterà lì per sempre
@@thedreamer2906 è morto un giocatore in diretta del l'Inter
@@thedreamer2906 la panda vecchia si ferma già con un rullo dietro ed uno davanti, non ha l'elettronica che l'aiuta quindi in questa prova rimarresti parecchio deluso
@@riccardomarinoni6733 ma lo so. Ho scritto proprio quello. Alla fine l'elettronica serve
Love them both,, cheap useful reliable and fun too 😁 thanks again for this video im really happy to finally see panda in action too 💪👍😁
Thank you for the test! :)
Nice video, both cars are very popular in my area. My mom has a 2002 Ignis which is pretty fun in the snow.
Too bad they don't sell both these cars from where I live. Their AWD systems are pretty competent for not much money.
Excellent comparison, as always. In a couple of cases, the Ignis electronics reacted faster, but I still think the Panda is more effective in light off-roading. A similar test would be possible with a Freelander 2 against a Q5 or an X3 or maybe a Rav4. Thanks.
Thanks. You can find the tests of Q5, X3 and Rav4 on my channel :)
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I think I've seen all your videos, I find them very interesting. I was specifically interested in the Freelander 2, still congratulations anyway.
@@fabiocontigiani8896 Thanks 🙂 We are still trying to find Freelander...
Good job, thanks 👍
The last attempt with the Ignis seems a bit lazy. Both equally good! ✌️
Niiice 👍
Ive had the Panda 4x4 and it was astonishing off road. It wades deep, took it through sand, mud, streams, always got me through plus it had underbody protection as standard. For more on road requirement in bad weather I would say the Ignis would be a better choice, and its far more economical as well. The twinair is not brilliant on fuel.
1.3 Multijet for the win
@@loneokami6560 I had the diesel version and although it was economical, the gearing was appalling so that it sat at really silly high revs at 70mph. Was on about 3.5 to 4K, the noise was awful.
Unbelievable...after many years the Panda still competent and more effective compared to the new cars like the Ignis. What a brilliant machine is this Panda.
Actually the traction control system works better in Ignis, especially when Grip Control is engaged.
Ładnie Suzuki sobie poradziło. Zaskakująco
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Thanks!
Even if the Fiat Panda 4x4 passes the last test, I am a little disappointed. The traction control doesn't seem to be very active.
Finally, the Ignis with its simple viscous coupling seems almost as effective. I have the impression that the traction control has a more precise operation.
Its the same system
Brakeking the spinning weel only works at a high enough engine speed.
@@maxreimann8143 No, it's not the same system: m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1151898981954953&id=419553238522868
@@maxreimann8143 Even if the designs of these 2 transmissions are not so far apart, there are big technical differences. But I am more "impressed" by the efficiency of the Ignis transmission despite its simplicity and the use of a "central" viscous coupling to transfer the torque to the rear, a system that doesn't have a good reputation, a reputation that isn't totally justified.
perchè una su asfalto e una su terra?
In this test the ELD function of the panda is on or off? Sorry for my english
It's always on.
2 sistemi di trazione completamente diversi
BRAVO PANDA.!!!!
Pocket Hercules x 2
For real men only!
Is Ignis awd system different than Vitara/SX4? They handle three rollers much better
Yes, Ignis has All Grip Auto (based on viscous coupling), Vitara/S-Cross have All Grip Select (based on electronically controlled electromagnetic coupling).
But that doesn't explain why three wheels are spinning fast while single wheel stays stationary. Different algorithm of "esp" or whatever that system is called, I suppose
@@ValKomarov The viscous coupling cannot transfer as much torque as a multi plate clutch.
I think a more aggressive ESP tuning would result in both rear wheels stopping.
napęd w pandzie cross, a zwykłą 4x4 się czymś różni?
Wg mojej wiedzy nie, różnica jest tylko w obsłudze, czyli Cross ma pokrętło i tryb offroad, a 4x4 przycisk ELD.
What is not used in this video is the fiat panda's electronic locking diff which forces 4wd. still very impressive!
It is used, it's engaged in offroad mode.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I thought there was a seperate ELD button on the dashboard? perhaps I am mistaking this with the older version of the car.
@@crisrose9707 There is EDL button in Panda 4x4. Panda 4x4 Cross has offroad mode which engages EDL.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers ah right, I understand now. thank you for explaining!
Uczciwe porównanie.
Great test! I wish you try them on reverse also.
Thanks! We do that sometimes, it works the same in modern cars.
Had both from new, 2020 Ignis AllGrip and 2016 Panda Twinair 4x4. I still have the Panda, it is better in any department. Pros: more solid feeling car overall, steering precision and brakes ( 4x disc brakes) are miles ahead of Ignis, more comfort at motorway speed ( windshield has accoustic glass for noise insulation), gearbox better and more precise, twinair engine fun and punchy - you can pass cars with ease even in 4th and 5th gear. Sorry, I love the looks of the Suzuki but on the road it feels flimsy and very outdated dinamically : mushy brakes, vague steering and a very.... 1990's overall feeling of driving it.
Apart from other features, Ignis has better dynamics. Better 0-60 acceleration, better 0-100 acceleration, better 60-100 acceleration, better 80-120 acceleration. Of course you have to use lower gear for these results, that's not turbocharged engine.
@Alfred Wedmore Yes, that's correct. However even at lower rpm this engine is doing quite well, here are my tests of Ignis dynamics: th-cam.com/video/sdZibE5ggf0/w-d-xo.html
EURO NCAP tell you all
the panda is better in everyway, except performance, reliability, build quality, chassis dynamics, fuel efficiency, comfort, equiptment and awd system
I totally agree, I had the ignis and it was like driving a tin can especially if you hit a pothole 🙈
I feel I made the right choice getting a Panda over an Ignis. Although the Ignis is safer and has newer more efficient engines, the Panda has a much better ride, more solid interior and looks better.
Shame the new doesn't include a mode full-lock as the Fiat/Suzuki Sedici/SX4
Ignis never had lock function cause it is using viscous coupling. Sedici/SX4 use electromagnetic coupling which can be locked for front/rear torque distribution.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks for the reply.
Sang yong Rexton and Sang yong Kyron, please 😉
If I only find them... 🙂
Panda twinair engine has massive turbo lag and sounds like a bag of spanners under load. Also ultra low 1st gear makes sense for a 4x4 in crawler mode but otherwise means you run out of revs too soon when moving off.
Your statement is completely false, the Twinair engine is a marvel and performs better than many 3 cylinder turbo engines I had driven. At 130km/h I get 70db in my Panda 4x4 twinair, get your homework done or leave the comment section.
@@bogdanbosoi1483 I am just saying what I found on my test drive + facts. The noise I am talking about is under load. On top of that the ride really is not that great considering it has a raised ride height. Also this is the engine that destroyed public confidence in official fuel economy standards. That is maybe it's greatest achievement.
@@jamescaley9942 Bro it's just as efficienct as any other engine in other city cars. Computer says I'm averaging 18.5km/l, I calculated it and it's 17.4km/l, which in hilly area and traffic is very good.
1) Ιgnis 4Χ4 M13A 2005 ,can not start uphill because 1st gear (every 3-4 years I change the clutch) is too long Vs all fiat have 1st gear ,short, never change clutch. 2) fiat panda 0,9 have 6 speed gearbox.
@@bogdanbosoi1483 correct. I had a twinair panda and it was refined and relaxed at motorway speeds. There is an unusual sensation when accelerating in each gear, a bit of nothing then a big surge but you get used to it. Three cylinder turbos are by and large awful. Ive had a few and the NA versions had more linear acceleration. Only exception is BMW and Mini with the twin scroll turbo which eradicates the lag.
Micro SUV battle 👍
I'm italian, for me the ignis is better, the panda is the same like 10 years ago. The ignis have better interior and engine, good crash test results and adas that can help you drive safe. Is a clever little car and it cost like the panda
Ignis is ugly as hell
provvederemo a toglierti la cittadinanza
On what planet is Ignis better? I had both from new and Ignis feels very outdated in every aspect: interior space, steering, brakes, noise level at speed. Panda is a much better car.
@@bogdanbosoi1483 panda is from 2012, ignis 2016 and have adas and very nice features for safety, also a better engine. the panda inside don't have a lot of space also it cost too much and rear can have only manual windows
@@f250gto8 vai pure, prova una e l'altra poi mi dirai...
In which country do u get these cars??
Poland.
Wow so nice in india ignis is available in 2 wheel drive and swift too
Fiat panda cross 4x4 🐼🇮🇹👑
Leider fehlt bei den Kommentaren die Übersetzung.
What would you like to know?
activare ELD on Fiat Panda, please!))
It's activated by offroad mode.
Suzuki chyba minimalnie wygrało. Fajnie by było teraz porównać Fiata 500x i Suzuki SX4 i Opel Mokka 4x4
SX4 to starsza generacja, test jest u mnie na kanale. Mokka też jest, pod nazwą Buick Encore. Fiat 500X będzie wkrótce 🙂
If only Fiat Puegeot citroen build Fiorino, Bipper, Nemo with the same 4*4 transmission capability and 1.3 multijet2 100HP...
All discontinued in 2017. No replacement. The current Ford transit connect can be specced in 4wd but is very expensive. A Dacia Duster with the back seats removed is the only cheap option.
Ignis 💪
My father bought one when he went to Spain. 3yrs old he ran it for 25 years every day.
You allowed to drive that car when 3 years old?..
@@jwestrik9308 you need to improve on english grammer and only first person plural ...mentioned ?
Good day..
I have some comments for this test
1) the Ignis have choice to take off ESP that’s give more torque in the weels
2) in last test of this video the panda needs 20sec to pass but Ignis only 8 sec keep the video.
3) I thing the Ignis with off ESP pass the last test very quickly because in all tests exempt the last is more quickly unblocked than the Panda.. see carefully the video.
4) pls next time if you test IGNIS take off ESP IS match more effective.
If I remember well - ESP goes off when Grip Control is engaged.
In the last test keeping the Ignis for more seconds won't change a thing cause it has viscous coupling which you can burn.
When the ESP OFF THE GRIP CONTROL IS NOT WORKING
@@jobronin2084 When you press Grip Control button - does ESP goes off or not?
No the ESP is on I have to send you photos of the manual of the Ignis allgrip
My messenger is George Barbaris if you like I send you photos of the manual
When a car fails on one of the tests, you should try it in reverse.
Nice idea, however in this particular test it wouldn't change the result.
Nothing in it until that final test and even then, barely. Except... the Panda made it out of the field, and the Ignis had to camp the night...
The way they did all tests is different though...
FIAT PANDA 4X4 THE BEST 👍❤🇨🇮
Fiat panda cross 4x4 👍 💪🐼🇮🇪
red's tires are bigger, it's not fair
Original wheels. And I don't think they're bigger.
Both are great little cars, but PANDA CROSS WINS!
Bro what is that litle gas on Fiat Panda, more bro more.
You can't give more, it's cut by the system. Besides it's more than enough, speed is up to 25 km/h.
c'est une blague ? le comparatif est fait par suzuki donc faux en situation tous terrains, la panda cross est bien plus agile et performante que la ignis ,regardez les comparatifs sur le net, youtube entre autres !
Test was organised by our channel. All in all, Panda got better result. And of course it is better offroad due to different awd system: m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1151898981954953&id=419553238522868
Ce n'est pas un comparatif d'usage en tout-terrain mais de fonctionnement de leur transmission intégrale respective. Et en l'occurrence, la transmission de la Panda est plus performante quoiqu'à mes yeux, relativement décevante quand on voit la simplicité de la transmission de l'Ignis. De plus, les performances Offroad ne se limitent pas au fonctionnement d'une transmission, et sur bien des points la Panda est mieux équipée sur ce plan (garde au sol, rapports de boite, etc).
@Alfred Wedmore oui le jimny est vraiment super ,mais en france il est taxè d'un gros malus , de plus en 2018, il y avait 1 an d'attente pour en avoir un ,donc j'ai pris la panda cross qui était disponible de suite . Le suzuki jimny sera ma prochain voiture si la législation évolue en france
Same results but Panda is 3 times nicer
Suzuki dabba car
Sorry, but the last test has been truncated: no issue.
What do you mean?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers does the last test on Suzuki is negative?
@@robertomassimi8714 Yes and that was to be expected.
Хочется эмоционально выразить своё недовольство конструкторов обеих авто. Электроника не работает так как она должна работать. Это раздражает! Лучше внедрить в конструкцию самую простую принудительную блокировку обеих дифференциалов и всё, авто будет ехать.
I would like to emotionally express my dissatisfaction with the designers of both cars. The electronics don't work the way they should. This is annoying! It is better to introduce the simplest forced locking of both differentials into the design and that's it, the car will go.
Chciałbym wyrazić emocjonalnie swoje niezadowolenie z projektantów obu samochodów. Elektronika nie działa tak, jak powinna. To denerwujące! Lepiej wprowadzić do projektu najprostszą wymuszoną blokadę obu dyferencjałów i tyle, auto pojedzie.
Why do you think that electronics are not working good? These are not offroad cars, they don't need diff locks 🙂
But this can be seen in the video, the car stands as if buried in place, the wheels are spinning empty. This is stupid, not logical, not rational. The car is designed to drive, and not to skid on the spot because of the stupidity of the designers.@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@@guntis_rakausks Wheels are spinning for a moment, then system figures out what is going on and moves the car forward. The only problem is in the last test but that happens to many cars.
I agree, this is a problem for all cars, but the designers had to fix this problem, but they did not fix this problem. In place of this, they created an illusion that they called an imitation of blocking the differential, that is, they lied. This is a lie that you can buy for a lot of money.@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@@guntis_rakausks Suzuki doesn't call the system as locking differential, they use Ttraction Control and Grip Control names. Fiat indeed does use the name Electronic Locking Differential.
Hahah useless system is expensive if they did a manually lockable rear differential was 100 times better
А мне Панда больше нравится :Р
Fiat Panda Better'
Ignis no suzuki again
Worst car i have ever own
What model and why?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers 2016 model
Sensors issues many
After done 32,311 miles /52,000 kms fuel pump gone bad.
1st sensor gone after just warranty expires
2nd sensor gone bad after 31,165 miles
Than fuel pump gone
3rd sensor gone 34,987 miles
Than we sell it out
We actually owns Fiat Punto 2010 model 1.3 Multijet one done seriously saying and with garanteed my car done 189,233 miles on odo exact still not a single issue yeah
Once only a sensor was misbehave due to wire was cut by Rat so fix it again normal.
Than usually changes like battery tyres bulbs and modifications that's it❤️
@@carobsessions4707 2016 Ignis? Never ever heard about any problems with this car. I had a few Suzuki cars, no problems at all except noisy plastics. Had a previous generation of Panda to (at work), service area was like a second home for that car.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers in India suzuki knows for tin cans worst cars using and get success by Fiat 1.3 diesel engine.
Fiat in India known for solid tank safe cars amd superb fun to drive .
Where maruti knows for tin cans 😂 and used and get success by Fita engine and some parts.
Maybe mileage is good of suzuki but real lovers hates suzuki here.
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one more thing bro like i said my car done 189,233 miles on odo still runing string as new and even all knows Indians road are not that great my car still have not a single noise from cabin.
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Suzuki interior getting noisy after 30,000 miles garanteed..
Maybe your side Fiat is not that great.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers yeah old Fiat was known for bad reliability
But new Panda specially Punto is really was charm
I am also in 2 Fiat groups and even in 1 vw group of whatsapp
500+ members in our group
And 2nd Fiat group 360+ members
98% ARE Satisfied with Fiat even they own suzuki and ither brand cars.
Vw cars twice to thrice expensive to own compare to Fiat.
Where Fiat get service at 5000 to max 8000 max Indian Rupees
Vw cars 10,000 Indian rupees to 15,000 Indian rupees.
And that's too expensive
Even Fiat also get service at 15,000 kms /Year
This is bull shit test i bet on pandas 4x4 always this rollers in front suzuki saloon hahah not same as red one👍
Suzuki dealer shared the car for the test and that's it. Panda was shared by private owner. Rollers are the same, repainted.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers dont get me wrong but they dont look same
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers you also can see that blue roler have flat surface the one on the back so car have more grip red ones does not have it so they are not same and why would someone repaint it
@@okopasha4266 These are the same rollers. Only sides of frame were slightly cut and then repainted: th-cam.com/video/NVkyZJlox4Y/w-d-xo.html
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Ha, ha, how pathetic you are in your quest to make a Fiat better than a Suzuki. Can't you see that the rear Suzuki rollers have a side restraint bracket. That's where Panda slipped out.
Rollers are much wider than tyres. Tyres do not touch the frames.
Come on, look at 4:25 again. Answer me now, would Panda get out if he had a bracket? NO NO NO !!!! And the blind man will see that he has slipped aside and then forward. Be correct next time. Success !
@@svilen1969 Apparently you can't see the other side of the car - Panda slided a little cause a lot of torque went to the only wheel with potential traction (it was spinning on the pavement, it just missed grip). That's what moved Panda forward, no connection with bracket (which was removed cause of safety reasons). Ignis isn't able to sent that much torque to the rear - why? - it is explained in the pinned comment on the top. All in all - performance of Ignis is much better except the last test. Ignis has quicker traction control response. Be correct next time when you want to analyse the results.
Apparently arguing with you is the same as arguing with the radio. There is no feedback. Put the cars in the same conditions and then do the tests! Same rollers and at the same time, the same driver! This is how it seems set up and deliberate. I hope I'm wrong but this video was sponsored by Fiat. Surely Real Madrid can lose to Grenada, especially with the help of the referee!
@@svilen1969 FYI - these are the same rollers. Only frames were slightly cut and repainted. The same driver? Why? Owners of the cars know their cars better than "the same driver". Same time - not possible, hundreds of cars tested. Conditions - cars vs rollers. During Panda test it was raining so we had to find some kind of a roof. A few more cars where tested during that session, all videos on my channel. Sponsored by Fiat? Seriously? Why would they sponsore a video where their car loses?
Best regards from the radio.