We just started to attend a nearby parish which has the Tridentine Mass on Sundays. Let me tell you, it's a much richer and spiritual experience than Mass in the ordinary. It will be hard to go back to the Novus Ordo if the Tridentine Mass is no longer available to us.
I shared the video in Facebook here in the Philippines and amazingly it got lots of attention. I am an advocate of TLM and this video helped me a a lot in TLM orientations. This video got 2k views and 100 shares in Facebook.
I am re-posting a comment made by the person who directed me here - who like me noted a significant error at about the 20 second mark. Apart from that, this is an excellent introductory video: "At about the 20 second mark, the priest says the Tridentine Mass or Extraordinary Form of the Mass is the Mass that was celebrated in the Catholic Church for over 400 years." ACTUALLY....the 1570 Tridentine Roman Missal is nearly identical to the Missal published in Rome a century earlier...And THAT older Missal differs only in regional-variant details from missals several centuries older. Most of the Proper texts and some of the Ordinary texts date from Pope Gregory the Great (c. AD 540-604). Changes subsequent to Pope Gregory - i.e. "organic development" - occurred only in rather small increments over the next 1,350 years, thereby always retaining a "hermeneutic of continuity." The Roman Canon, with its lists of early Roman martyrs, was composed no later than the 4th Century - and is quite likely from the 2nd Century (and probably originally in Greek)
+brandywineblue Yes, the Latin Mass as a whole existed at least since the 6th century, if not before; however, as he did say "Tridentine Mass" (that is, the Mass of the Council of Trent), he is technically correct.
So called Tridentine Mass had been celebrated for more than 400 years before the Second Vatican Council. At the Council of Trent it was only codified. Elements of the mass are much older and very often are dated from the first millennium. I suggest one read Position Papers by Una Voce International.
The most reverend, the most solemn, the highest beauty of liturgy, the most sacred prayers and readings, the most beautiful and sacred chants, the silent, ... how come millions of Catholics even clergy abandoned this? This is the true mass of Our Catholic Church.
Father Dac Clement- Great to see you again! Yes, I too am learning to celebrate the Latin mass... This is a most excellent video, and very well presented!
GRACIAS! AS A TRADITIONALIST HERE IN PHILIPPINES WE REALLY APPRECIATE THIS SMALL VIDEO! THIS WILL HELP OTHER PEOPLE TO RETURN IN TRIDENTINE AND TO FEEL THAT OUR LORD IS IN THE FRONT OF THE ALTAR! FOR THOSE WHO DISLIKE THIS VIDEO... GO TO NOVUS INSTEAD HAHAHAHA
Great! «Ciò che per le generazioni anteriori era sacro, anche per noi resta sacro e grande, e non può essere improvvisamente del tutto proibito o, addirittura, giudicato dannoso» (Benedetto XVI)
On the one hand it’s great, but on the other if The Society of St Pius X hadn’t struggled since Vatican II to keep the Larin Mass alive, we wouldn’t have it. I assume one of the other parish church’s is SSPX’s St Thomas More. It must be doing well. Hopefully, there will soon be a need US and world-wide for the unchanged Tridentine Mass and the Vatican II Extraordinary Form. THAT would be a true blessing! Don’t forget to say 3 Hail Mary’s for your own parish priest(s)!
andrew beattie Father Gommar DePauw Bishop Robert McKenna Father Francis Fenton & many others (Including Archbishop Thuc) kept the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass & traditional rite of Holy Orders alive long before the Society. Immaculate Heart of Mary in Tampa FL offers the true Holy Mass daily.
Oh my word... last time I heard the "Domine, non sum dignus" in Latin was for Christmas High Mass... so beautiful! I did kind of have to laugh at ~2:40 when the Communicant responded "Amen" after the "Corpus Domini nostri Jesu Christi custodiat animam tuam in vitam aeternam. Amen", though.
Great video, I'm thinking of taking my family to the TLM but the closest is two hours away. I also have younger kids so I'm not sure how the others would react to kids. Praying about it though.
The center for the Tridentine Mass has been moved to Epiphany of Our Lord Catholic Church, 2510 E Hanna Ave, Tampa, FL 33610. Please see Holy Week 2019 masses here: facebook.com/tblatinmass/
The center for the Tridentine Mass has been moved to Epiphany of Our Lord Catholic Church, 2510 E Hanna Ave, Tampa, FL 33610. To support the proliferation of this sacred mass please donate to Coetus Fidelium Inc (DBA The Latin Mass Society of Tampa Bay - facebook.com/tblatinmass/). The Latin Mass Society of Tampa Bay supports all aspects of the traditional Latin liturgy, including the acquisition and care of sacred items, the music used to celebrate the mass, and all other needs deemed essential for the support and continuation of the Church's traditional teachings and spirituality. We hope you enjoyed the video and will come see for yourselves the beauty of this mass.
I manage well in both. My skirt and dress lengths usually reach to my ankles and sometimes to the knee and all I'm missing is a headcovering and my headbands are not enough
The Tridentine Mass was 'fixed' in 1570. The Mass previously was very similar, but with national and regional variations The Papacy wanted the Mass celebrated in a uniform way without deviations and privately decided changes. There were modifications subsequently but nothing major until the 1960s. Why are some people so obsessed with this Mass as if it were the be-all-and-end all of worship in the RC Church? A mass celebrated in 600 A.D. looked a lot more similar to the Novus Ordo - free-standing altar, priest facing the congregation, fairly simple and straightforward without the Gallican additions of latter centuries . What is objectionable is Mass celebrated in a sloppy manner, The fiddle-back chasuble was introduced to facilitate movement - in the Tridentine Rite there are so many prescribed manual acts the Gothic style chasuble (actually a Roman raincoat in origin) got in the way so they cut the chasuble so no material would get in the way.
Personally I like both forms of the Roman rite. I just prefer the extraordinary form over the ordinary, but if there was a priest who celebrated the ordinary form and keep the latin traditions we have then that would be great. Plus mass in the vernacular is awesome.
Hello! Can I make a Portuguese subtitled version of this video, so Brazilians who don't speak english can watch it too? Thanks. (Excellent video, btw).
Great movie, but you're not supposed to say "amen" when kneeling for Communion in the Tridentine Mass. The priest says the complete formula, including the amen.
Excuse me, I'm trying to subtitle this video to portuguese. But I'm in trouble to understand some expressions... Any of you could write down the full text in english to make it easier to translate? That'd be great!
I looked up on their website as well. Based on their bulletin, it would appear they no longer are, unfortunately, as they said communion is only distributed in the hand and not the tongue.
I'm 100% atheist and a good friend invited me to one of these services, the preacher was rude and didn't talk to the crowd, also I don't speak Latin so I was lost!
Father Clement is the priest who first spoke on the history of the tridentine mass. He just recently left Incarnation Parish two months ago which is the church in the video. Unfortunately the latin mass is no longer offered at Incarnation.
That is such a pity. But also the priest making the point that it does not matter how one feels that day is a great speaker and appears to be truly sacerdotal in his manner.
I believe he was an FSSP priest who merely visited the Parish briefly before leaving. I don't know who he is but I can put you in touch with someone at ICS who does.
The bearded priest is Fr. Philip Clement. He is on pastoral mission in Maine as a parochial administrator. The British priest is Fr. J.P. Hough, SJ who used to teach at Jesuit High School.
Ironic that the promo video has to use modern piano music. Cant the Mass stand on its own two feet? Play some Gregorian Chant at least if it's so great.
+b0bb0bs0n Music provides a good background for videos whilst people are talking, and Gregorian chant is questionable in suitability for this video, since it is by nature Liturgical music. Furthermore, the piano music is hardly "modern" in style.
Sacrosactum Concilium was not bad on its own. Bugnini took it too far and we ended up with the novus ordo. But I feel like doing what Sacrosactum Concilium actually said would have ended on a better mass for everybody.
I don't understand why traditionalist priests seem to prefer the Roman or "fiddle back" chasuble to the earlier, full, Gothic one. Several centuries ago, chasubles worn by high ranking clergy became so heavily ornamented that priests had difficulty moving in them when saying Mass. Instead of simplifying them, the "solution" to the problem was to CUT AWAY THE SIDES, and the new "look" spread. The Roman chasuble is "traditional" NOW, but it was ironically born of a departure FROM tradition.
The Tridentine Mass is not the Holy Mass of all times. The idea of the Eucharist being the Church's sacrifice shows up in the late 2nd or early 3rd century and is merged with the idea of it being a memorial of Jesus's sacrifice (he is also understood to be present) - sooo the Mass is Memorial as Sacrifice -a liturgical representation of a Sacrifice once done but make present to us which we offer to God in union with the Christ himself (he is not sacrificed again - nobody ever taught this). People should learn some basic Eucharistic theology and liturgical history before trashing the various historical Rites of the RC Church.
Gary their one true Church that is Holy Roman Catholic Church where outside of it their is no salvation. Christ said on this rock I will build my church not churches. Will be praying for you.
The Catholic Mass was terribly diminished when the sacred beauty of the Latin Mass was dumped for the banal modern vernacular mass. Occasionally I make the long drive to my closest Latin mass and every time I feel a sense of wonder and awe in our worship that I do not get from the modern mass. The Latin mass and progressively builds up to a crescendo with the consecration of the bread and wine which is the essential purpose of the mass. The modern mass is a series of disparate readings punctuated by a droll recitation of petitions, unexciting chants that switch from traditional chants to dreary modern tunes. By discarding the Latin mass, the church also discarded the ancient Kyrie Eleison in Greek that went back to the earliest church. Occasionally a modern church will use the Greek and every time is delightful surprise. We can never know how much of the Catholic Church’s precipitous decline is due to the loss of this sense of sanctity of the mass. I do believe that if it has any hope of stopping and hopefully reversing the process of abandonment of the faith, restoring the Latin mass will play an important part. The average age of Catholic priests in America today is over 70. The families at mass when I was young filled the churches. If you take an informal survey of the age of Sunday mass attendees today, they will be almost all senior citizens. With demographics line this, the Catholic Church could collapse and disappear over the next 20 years.
Revelation18:4-5: "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities." The Roman Church is an occult religion in Christian sheep's clothing. Secede!
Your personal interpretation -- as with all you 'self-saviors' in Protestant sects -- is no less valid than mine (or that taught by the Catholic Church), that in the Book of REvelation, John shares visions of the Catholic Church that has been infiltrated by modern evils (Protestant ecumenism) and thus Christ's Church has been bastardized in the 1960s by non-Catholic dialog and destruction of the Mass itself as well as Church leadership becoming so 'double-mouthed' and ambiguous in doctrine and guidance that His Church is now more a Protestant love fest and glorification of mankind rather than humble, obligatory worship of God.
The little scene from 1:50 to 1:55 is nothing short of awesome.
Yoooo youre that dude from twitter
When you see love, you see truth💖
We just started to attend a nearby parish which has the Tridentine Mass on Sundays. Let me tell you, it's a much richer and spiritual experience than Mass in the ordinary. It will be hard to go back to the Novus Ordo if the Tridentine Mass is no longer available to us.
Go sspx
It is like heaven. God bless them.
I shared the video in Facebook here in the Philippines and amazingly it got lots of attention. I am an advocate of TLM and this video helped me a a lot in TLM orientations. This video got 2k views and 100 shares in Facebook.
wala akong masabe .. salute nalang .... Dominus vobiscum..
I am re-posting a comment made by the person who directed me here - who like me noted a significant error at about the 20 second mark. Apart from that, this is an excellent introductory video: "At about the 20 second mark, the priest says the Tridentine Mass or Extraordinary Form of the Mass is the Mass that was celebrated in the Catholic Church for over 400 years." ACTUALLY....the 1570 Tridentine Roman Missal is nearly identical to the Missal published in Rome a century earlier...And THAT older Missal differs only in regional-variant details from missals several centuries older. Most of the Proper texts and some of the Ordinary texts date from Pope Gregory the Great (c. AD 540-604). Changes subsequent to Pope Gregory - i.e. "organic development" - occurred only in rather small increments over the next 1,350 years, thereby always retaining a "hermeneutic of continuity." The Roman Canon, with its lists of early Roman martyrs, was composed no later than the 4th Century - and is quite likely from the 2nd Century (and probably originally in Greek)
+brandywineblue
Yes, the Latin Mass as a whole existed at least since the 6th century, if not before; however, as he did say "Tridentine Mass" (that is, the Mass of the Council of Trent), he is technically correct.
+brandywineblue I'm a new convert and even I noticed that. I just didn't know all of the details. Thanks for filling in the blanks.
brandywineblue that's what I thought
brandywineblue you are correct.
Thanks so much ...the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass ...the Mass of all times !
So called Tridentine Mass had been celebrated for more than 400 years before the Second Vatican Council. At the Council of Trent it was only codified. Elements of the mass are much older and very often are dated from the first millennium. I suggest one read Position Papers by Una Voce International.
The most reverend, the most solemn, the highest beauty of liturgy, the most sacred prayers and readings, the most beautiful and sacred chants, the silent, ... how come millions of Catholics even clergy abandoned this? This is the true mass of Our Catholic Church.
Father Dac Clement-
Great to see you again!
Yes, I too am learning to celebrate the Latin mass... This is a most excellent video, and very well presented!
GRACIAS! AS A TRADITIONALIST HERE IN PHILIPPINES WE REALLY APPRECIATE THIS SMALL VIDEO! THIS WILL HELP OTHER PEOPLE TO RETURN IN TRIDENTINE AND TO FEEL THAT OUR LORD IS IN THE FRONT OF THE ALTAR! FOR THOSE WHO DISLIKE THIS VIDEO... GO TO NOVUS INSTEAD HAHAHAHA
This is amazing! Thank you for making this film it is so well made!
Great! «Ciò che per le generazioni anteriori era sacro, anche per noi resta sacro e grande, e non può essere improvvisamente del tutto proibito o, addirittura, giudicato dannoso» (Benedetto XVI)
On the one hand it’s great, but on the other if The Society of St Pius X hadn’t struggled since Vatican II to keep the Larin Mass alive, we wouldn’t have it. I assume one of the other parish church’s is SSPX’s St Thomas More. It must be doing well. Hopefully, there will soon be a need US and world-wide for the unchanged Tridentine Mass and the Vatican II Extraordinary Form. THAT would be a true blessing! Don’t forget to say 3 Hail Mary’s for your own parish priest(s)!
andrew beattie
Father Gommar DePauw
Bishop Robert McKenna
Father Francis Fenton
& many others
(Including Archbishop Thuc) kept the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass & traditional rite of Holy Orders alive long before the Society.
Immaculate Heart of Mary in Tampa FL offers the true Holy Mass daily.
Oh my word... last time I heard the "Domine, non sum dignus" in Latin was for Christmas High Mass... so beautiful!
I did kind of have to laugh at ~2:40 when the Communicant responded "Amen" after the "Corpus Domini nostri Jesu Christi custodiat animam tuam in vitam aeternam. Amen", though.
it's the only mass that doesn't require translation worldwide.... it's Latin globally. you dont have to pick a time when it's in your language.
2:41-2:43 is not the right way to receive communion. The priest is the one that says Amen for the communicant.
Immaculate Heart of Mary
Stuart Street
Tampa FL
offers the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass daily.
Great video, I'm thinking of taking my family to the TLM but the closest is two hours away. I also have younger kids so I'm not sure how the others would react to kids. Praying about it though.
Now this can be attended at Epiphany Catholic Church in Tampa, near Seminole Heights..
The church is Incarnation Catholic Church in Tampa. I lived there for 15 years and it's great, though they no longer offer the Latin mass anymore.
Moses King Why did they stop?
Bride OfChrist
Immaculate Heart of Mary
Stuart St
Tampa FL
offers the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass daily.
The center for the Tridentine Mass has been moved to Epiphany of Our Lord Catholic Church, 2510 E Hanna Ave, Tampa, FL 33610. Please see Holy Week 2019 masses here: facebook.com/tblatinmass/
The center for the Tridentine Mass has been moved to Epiphany of Our Lord Catholic Church, 2510 E Hanna Ave, Tampa, FL 33610. To support the proliferation of this sacred mass please donate to Coetus Fidelium Inc (DBA The Latin Mass Society of Tampa Bay - facebook.com/tblatinmass/). The Latin Mass Society of Tampa Bay supports all aspects of the traditional Latin liturgy, including the acquisition and care of sacred items, the music used to celebrate the mass, and all other needs deemed essential for the support and continuation of the Church's traditional teachings and spirituality. We hope you enjoyed the video and will come see for yourselves the beauty of this mass.
0:22 Cover your head but not your legs. Why?
This may help explain the tradition:
th-cam.com/video/Q9d4eLBAPFA/w-d-xo.html
I manage well in both. My skirt and dress lengths usually reach to my ankles and sometimes to the knee and all I'm missing is a headcovering and my headbands are not enough
Please make a video about the chapel veil
pueden subir con subtitulos en español por favor?
Out of curiousity, where are the altar rails and choir loft? It's a good traditional mass, but traditional churches tend to have those things.
The TLM is not 400 years old, it's 1500 years old.
I want to attend Tridentine Mass but I have no luck in finding a church in my diocese here in Florida
The Tridentine Mass was 'fixed' in 1570. The Mass previously was very similar, but with national and regional variations The Papacy wanted the Mass celebrated in a uniform way without deviations and privately decided changes. There were modifications subsequently but nothing major until the 1960s. Why are some people so obsessed with this Mass as if it were the be-all-and-end all of worship in the RC Church? A mass celebrated in 600 A.D. looked a lot more similar to the Novus Ordo - free-standing altar, priest facing the congregation, fairly simple and straightforward without the Gallican additions of latter centuries . What is objectionable is Mass celebrated in a sloppy manner, The fiddle-back chasuble was introduced to facilitate movement - in the Tridentine Rite there are so many prescribed manual acts the Gothic style chasuble (actually a Roman raincoat in origin) got in the way so they cut the chasuble so no material would get in the way.
Personally I like both forms of the Roman rite. I just prefer the extraordinary form over the ordinary, but if there was a priest who celebrated the ordinary form and keep the latin traditions we have then that would be great. Plus mass in the vernacular is awesome.
Hello!
Can I make a Portuguese subtitled version of this video, so Brazilians who don't speak english can watch it too?
Thanks.
(Excellent video, btw).
TheSpikeCanada Yes.
Great movie, but you're not supposed to say "amen" when kneeling for Communion in the Tridentine Mass. The priest says the complete formula, including the amen.
Nice...
Excuse me, I'm trying to subtitle this video to portuguese.
But I'm in trouble to understand some expressions... Any of you could write down the full text in english to make it easier to translate?
That'd be great!
Does anybody know if this parish is still celebrating the TLM? I see nothing about it on their website.
I looked up on their website as well. Based on their bulletin, it would appear they no longer are, unfortunately, as they said communion is only distributed in the hand and not the tongue.
Is this associated with SSPX or any factions not in full communion with the Catholic Church?
Diocesan
Don't give up. Don't weaken. The present persecution will pass.
I'm 100% atheist and a good friend invited me to one of these services, the preacher was rude and didn't talk to the crowd, also I don't speak Latin so I was lost!
Uno Carb The sacred silence is supposed to be for prayer. Latin is a sacred language meant to honor God more
Uno Carb He isn't supposed to speak to the crowd, the mass is a sacrifice before God therefore our reverence goes to him
God flees all this. As selfsufficient perfection God does not need this.
Viva Christo Rey!
anyone happens to know who the priests are?
Father Clement is the priest who first spoke on the history of the tridentine mass. He just recently left Incarnation Parish two months ago which is the church in the video. Unfortunately the latin mass is no longer offered at Incarnation.
That is such a pity. But also the priest making the point that it does not matter how one feels that day is a great speaker and appears to be truly sacerdotal in his manner.
I believe he was an FSSP priest who merely visited the Parish briefly before leaving. I don't know who he is but I can put you in touch with someone at ICS who does.
it is ok. It is just that the way he uttered those words was truly inspiring. Thank you
for your kind replies.
The bearded priest is Fr. Philip Clement. He is on pastoral mission in Maine as a parochial administrator.
The British priest is Fr. J.P. Hough, SJ who used to teach at Jesuit High School.
Are these Priests Diocesan or FSSP or religious?
#DiocesanPriests? @#WhichSeminaries?
Ironic that the promo video has to use modern piano music. Cant the Mass stand on its own two feet? Play some Gregorian Chant at least if it's so great.
+b0bb0bs0n
Music provides a good background for videos whilst people are talking, and Gregorian chant is questionable in suitability for this video, since it is by nature Liturgical music. Furthermore, the piano music is hardly "modern" in style.
😍
#Changelings.
It would be awesome to have Mass just like this both latin and vernacular as the norm. Most of the nonsense would have never happened.
Sacrosactum Concilium was not bad on its own. Bugnini took it too far and we ended up with the novus ordo. But I feel like doing what Sacrosactum Concilium actually said would have ended on a better mass for everybody.
I don't understand why traditionalist priests seem to prefer the Roman or "fiddle back" chasuble to the earlier, full, Gothic one. Several centuries ago, chasubles worn by high ranking clergy became so heavily ornamented that priests had difficulty moving in them when saying Mass. Instead of simplifying them, the "solution" to the problem was to CUT AWAY THE SIDES, and the new "look" spread. The Roman chasuble is "traditional" NOW, but it was ironically born of a departure FROM tradition.
Many wrong things here. There isn’t a procession with a cross at a low mass.
The Tridentine Mass is not the Holy Mass of all times. The idea of the Eucharist being the Church's sacrifice shows up in the late 2nd or early 3rd century and is merged with the idea of it being a memorial of Jesus's sacrifice (he is also understood to be present) - sooo the Mass is Memorial as Sacrifice -a liturgical representation of a Sacrifice once done but make present to us which we offer to God in union with the Christ himself (he is not sacrificed again - nobody ever taught this). People should learn some basic Eucharistic theology and liturgical history before trashing the various historical Rites of the RC Church.
The thing that I don´t understand at all is that there is no evidence whatsoever that Jesus ever wanted to found any kind of organized religion.
Gary Williams "Upon this rock I build my Church"
Read the Didache.
Gary their one true Church that is Holy Roman Catholic Church where outside of it their is no salvation. Christ said on this rock I will build my church not churches. Will be praying for you.
The Catholic Mass was terribly diminished when the sacred beauty of the Latin Mass was dumped for the banal modern vernacular mass.
Occasionally I make the long drive to my closest Latin mass and every time I feel a sense of wonder and awe in our worship that I do not get from the modern mass.
The Latin mass and progressively builds up to a crescendo with the consecration of the bread and wine which is the essential purpose of the mass. The modern mass is a series of disparate readings punctuated by a droll recitation of petitions, unexciting chants that switch from traditional chants to dreary modern tunes.
By discarding the Latin mass, the church also discarded the ancient Kyrie Eleison in Greek that went back to the earliest church. Occasionally a modern church will use the Greek and every time is delightful surprise.
We can never know how much of the Catholic Church’s precipitous decline is due to the loss of this sense of sanctity of the mass. I do believe that if it has any hope of stopping and hopefully reversing the process of abandonment of the faith, restoring the Latin mass will play an important part.
The average age of Catholic priests in America today is over 70. The families at mass when I was young filled the churches. If you take an informal survey of the age of Sunday mass attendees today, they will be almost all senior citizens.
With demographics line this, the Catholic Church could collapse and disappear over the next 20 years.
If I were you I would google Bishop Daniel Dolan, bishop Donald Sanborn and Rev Anthony Cekada. You will be pleasantly surprised by what you find.
#AndrewsSisters.
Gary: Then go somewhere else. Become a Buddhist or something. Bye Gary.
Revelation18:4-5: "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities."
The Roman Church is an occult religion in Christian sheep's clothing. Secede!
Your personal interpretation -- as with all you 'self-saviors' in Protestant sects -- is no less valid than mine (or that taught by the Catholic Church), that in the Book of REvelation, John shares visions of the Catholic Church that has been infiltrated by modern evils (Protestant ecumenism) and thus Christ's Church has been bastardized in the 1960s by non-Catholic dialog and destruction of the Mass itself as well as Church leadership becoming so 'double-mouthed' and ambiguous in doctrine and guidance that His Church is now more a Protestant love fest and glorification of mankind rather than humble, obligatory worship of God.
God is not religion and religion is not God.