As a New Yorker please excuse my blasphemy, but I’m goin wit JD. He is a writer and a player of instruments, as a great pretender myself. I do put extra respect in that.
You know what's funny.... It seems like everybody forgot that Diddy produced multiple albums of Mary j Blige, jodeci, usher's first album, invented the remix (nobody was doing remixes prior to Diddy) etc...has done songs with Mariah Carey too.... Did y'all forget Honey featuring the Lox and Mase? That's just a tip of the iceberg. I'm not taking nothing away from JD, But just because puff don't write songs doesn't mean he doesn't orchestrate it.
There are three types of talent. I know it makes me sound old but hear me out. You have true artistry. Talent that can write and create works of art like JD. Then you have the Beyonce type that can act out what is written and perform it masterfully. Definitely talented but behind the scenes someone is teaching choreography, writing the lyrics, making the beats. I feel like you can be rich but not a great artist by simply being great at copying style. Diddy is simply who he has stood next to. Beyonce is a master of recognizing great work and performing that work. There is no Diddy without Big and the other artists. So, before you hate just step back and think about it. Would you consider it a great painting if someone else painted it and another person just copied it and put their name on it? We have to separate the artistry from the promoters. Diddy is great at making money off someone else’s art but the real artist is JD. Respect both, but one is dependent on someone else’s creativity and the other is truly creative. Beyonce is somewhere in the middle of both like an actor or something.
Puff was the hottest young executive in the game as exec his job was to find the hottest producers writers and artist for his labels to be successful the Nigga literally ran the 90’s Uptown and Bad Boy he was so hot La Reid hired him to help roll out Outkast and Usher
@@MrWARBUCKS24 hmmm... Well this Is wrong! Diddy is one of the GOATS no doubt about it BUT he's not the youngest when it comes to executive roles. JD did it a younger age. And yes L.A REID let Diddy produce the first Usher's album but did it work? NO. That's why REID gave Usher to JD for the second round and that's when we had "My Way", then " 8701" and after that JD produced "Confessions" 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
@@MrWARBUCKS24 He is a great executive , true. I'm just saying he isn't an artist. He is the Don King of the music industry. He isn't in the same category as JD. Would we compare Don King to Ali or Tyson?
What about the painter who painted somebody's idea. The painter shouldn't be the only one getting credit cause they drew it. If the painter was never told to paint that picture by someone it wouldn't exist.
The songs Diddy is affiliated with are definitely my favorite and a part of my life, but what you're saying is true. I wonder why this major factor goes overlooked. If you put both of them in 2 separate rooms with the tools to create a song, only 1 of them comes out with anything. Diddy's role is essential but in the way that Dj Khaled's is.
@@betbet5606 Yeah I saw that video last year where he unsuccessfully tried to make a beat. He knows his strengths and excels at them. He's great at what he does. Again, that's why he's more comparable to Diddy.
@safiyaworld that video showed him working on who knows what, but to say that proves he can't produce a beat is an exaggeration. He doesn't make every beat on his albums, but he has made some and even for other artists as well.
@@betbet5606 Of course it proves he's not great at producing. 🤷🏾♀️ He tried and it wasn't good. You're talking about some beats made 10 years ago. Lol It's not debatable. He does not make beats. He's an executive producer. And he's great at it. A verzus with Khaled won't consist of a bunch of hits that he physically made beats for. What are you arguing. 🤦🏾♀️ Listen to his description of what he does. It's on TH-cam. He orchestrates the overall production. So you're arguing with him? Lol
Respect to both but Diddy is a genius mogul. Even though he may not be more talented than JD musically Diddy will def invest in the best producers, writers, singers, artists
@@BeatzByJones No bias. I honestly don’t even fuck with Diddys music like that. But if I was an artists and I had to chose who to go with I’m taking diddy. His resources are beyond NYC.
@@flex_nyc9885 the problem is This: Diddy will fuck you with a shitty contract, take a part of your publishing and make you pay for all these expansive music videos. I hope you have your own publishing and that you write your lyrics? He will dry you off of your rights 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
@@BeatzByJones I guess you didn’t understand my reasoning for choosing him. I don’t have to fuck with his music. I’m going to him for his international resources. Gotta take your emotions out of the business. JD is super talented but if you were to go to Africa, Brazil, PR, DR, Dubai and showed them a picture of Diddy and a picture of JD who do you think they will recognize first?
This is a funny segment… This also shows the difference between how their artists turned out… Joc is praising Diddy’s showmanship and how he made himself the flag bearer of Bad Boy… While JD built SoSoDef and allowed his artists to be the stars of their projects… Ppl not familiar are gonna learn a lot about how deep JD roots go…
As much as I hate to admit it, you are right! Unfortunately, in front of a crowd, showmanship has the advantage. JD is the overall better producer/writer but nobody is gonna care about that during a versus. I respect what both of them has given to culture though.
Diddy or JD both very talented there on my top 5 list of producer's for sure but I feel like people don't take JD as serious he damn near focuses more on R&B
@@MrWARBUCKS24 Exactly💯 and the funny part is he does half the time and JD don't touch every project there's a guy named B.Cox that people forget about that's making the music lol
People have to realize that JD had only two kids acts on his label. He had more than one artists on So So Def. He had Kris Kross, Trina Broussard, Xscape, Monica(Management only), Bow Wow, Playa Poncho, Jagged Edge, Fundisha, Whodini, Dem Franchize Boyz, Harlem World, Ghost Town DJ's, R.O.C., TLC (Management only), T. Waters, YoungBloodZ, Bone Crusher, Anthony Hamilton, Daz Dillinger, 3LW, Miss B, Brooks Buford, Rocko, DJ Felli Fel, Young Capone, Hot Dollar, Johntá Austin, Dondria, 9th Ward, Leah Labelle, who had passed away and he had Lil Jon, which he was working for So So Def as a A&R since 1993 and he had put together the So So Def Bass All Stars album compilations.
I listened to 4 hours of music produced by Diddy. He worked with alot of artists as well. You'll be surprised. It's gonna come down to music selection, guest, and performance.
@@jamellgordon6108 yeah but Diddy plays 0 instruments nor write. He's a great business man bc he was the owner of all of the work his producers put out.
No one did it like Puff did! Puff used to be a back up dancer for artists like Heavy D and a party promoter before being an intern at Uptown. He discovered Mary J. Blige and gave Jodeci their gruffy look because if not, they would've been just another 4 men vocal harmony group like Boyz II Men. He put Jodeci, Faith Evans & MJB on Father MC's albums so people could hear them in the background and he gave us Biggie. JD had TLC and Usher but he did not mold their style like Puffy did. He worked with them musically but he did not draw an artistic vison like Puff.
Gat Murda blurts out some wrong shit outta nowhere EVERY episode 😂😂😂😂 one episode they were talking about different eras of the South and Gat came outta nowhere with "PETEY PABLO"😂😂😂😂😂 that shit almost killed me😂😂😂😂
The thing that people don't realize is that JD is a beast!! He kills it on R&B and on Hip-hop! Just as Diddy and you can't name many producers who signed and produced platinum and gold superstars like JD and Diddy. To me it's only both of them in the game! Dr Dre is the best when it comes to Hip-hop but for the R&B part? He ain't signed big R&B acts! 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️ Rodney Jerkins made big hits on R&B but what about the Hip-hop part? You see? JD and Diddy are the only ones in the music industry to do that!! But now here is my point of view: when it comes to Hip-hop Diddy wins with Biggie and his own tracks. JD got Da Brat and Bow Wow but they ain't on the same level. But when you move on to the R&B side? Diddy won't be able to battle against Usher and Mariah Carey's hits that JD produced! Period. So the selection will Be important. For me, JD is the winner for the R&B part and Diddy wins when it comes to hip-hop 😎😎
@@wandaerving3065 Yes but that's where things get confused: Diddy didn't produce all MJB's hits! And, to be honest, I don't know which MJB's songs can beat Usher's "You got it bad", " Burn " or "Confession" all produced by JD or Mariah's "We belong together"? This gonna be hard for Diddy
@@heatmentouch Nobody cares who did what and how many producers made the song on verzuz. Puff Daddy will win even if he only uses his features and records as an artist.
@@donniedraco4310 ahahah🤣🤣 that's the problem!! Because Verzuz has rules and they must play songs they produced or songs they're featured on! For example, Diddy used Black Rob's "Woah" in a video with JD and he didn't even produced it... You can't do whatever you Want. Sorry but the game has rules 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
the difference is, Diddy is literally only a marketer. JD actually makes his music from scratch. that takes a lot more mental power. Diddy could afford to market cuz it ain’t like he’s writing songs.
I ain't gonna lie math gotta chill with that..a guest will be in a serious moment speaking on historical facts and here they come with that pause shid🤦🏽♂️..it says alot when you always find gay connotations in EVERYthing, even when there's no intent there.. 🤔
Same here, I earn $23,450 weekly trading profit with him, I only trust Mr Bray Carson with my investments.. am now able to send my kids to great schools in LA, all thanks to Mr Bray.
I'm convinced, when you have a good skill, it is normal that you can go global and your name is recommended to so many people and from what i've heard about Mr.Bray Carson, his strategies must be really good..
@mrcabone what part of what i said dont apply to a verzuz..? i said diddy made bigger and better songs so song for song clearly i think diddy gonna win
Some of y'all must be around 30 years old. Nothing JD has can fuck with those first 2 MJB albums. The only thing that is close is 8701 by Usher which is close. Diddy has Mase, the Lox, Biggie, Total, Craig Mack, Black Rob, Danity Kane, Day 26, Total. Even the later acts have 1 hit. Oh...CARL THOMAS. JD, would need Bow Wow to come out and put on a show. Mariah, J.E. and Exscape is not gonna do it. Diddy still got 112 too.
diddy simply stuck his name on other peoples work. he cant play a instrument or beat machine or write a lyric, he's dj khaled before khaled. JD actually writes and produced the hits his name is on.
You can’t even be taken serious bringing up day 26 & danity kane. Might as well have brought da band too while you was at it. And outside of Flava in ya ear and whoa, who outside of NY really cares about black Rob & Craig Mack?
THE 3 BEST HIP-HOP RAP MIXED WITH RNB CREATING figures of all time is probably Dr.Dre and P.Diddy JD THEY TOOK THE CULTURE N GAME TO SOME OTHER LEVELS THAT WON'T BE MATCHED. U CAN FEEL HOW U WANT ABOUT DIDDY BUT U CAN'T DENY PUFF ACHIEVEMENTS AND IMPACT AND INPUT AND CLASSIC SHIT HE BEEN INVOLVED IN ON THE RAP HIP-HOP RNB GAME. IN HISTORY I PUT HIM ONLY BEHIND DR.DRE WHO IS NR 1 BUT DIDDY IS NR 2 OR 3 OR JD NR 2 OR 3. BUT JD UNDERRATED NEEDS MORE LOVE LIKE DIDDY AND DR.DRE 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯 3 GOATS 🐐🐐🔥🔥🙏🏾🙏🏾🏆🥇😤🗣🎯🥶🥶🎨🪄😎😎🎤🎤
My only problem with a verzuz is that you shouldn't be allowed to use records you didn't yourself create. Slapping your name on a record and saying you made that when you know you didn't is disingenuous.
@@MrWARBUCKS24 That would be an A&R which is what Khaled does and Diddy has done that a lot. Which is why during that live with Dupri, Dupri was calling him out for not making a lot of those records he was playing.
Watch Diddy pull a Dipset move and not play the 🔥 songs in his catalog. If he play anything after the G-Dep and Shyne era it’s over. Don’t play none of them weak acts. He better play everything from Biggie to the G-Dep/ Shyne era.
Would the verzuz be bad boy vs so so def. Or would it be more about what they actually produced? Cause producing wise I got JD but if we talking labels and label acts then it goes to diddy
JD got the evil genius smile on rn.. ppl sleep.. its gonna be a great battle.. ppl forget JD is an actual DJ.. a lot of these battles come down to showmanship.. Yea Diddy can perform but ill match that up with the DJ who can rock the crowd
If JD had not been so short and had more swag he may have been bigger. But even in the A he GM gets shitted on. Diddy came to ATL and was a bigger presence.
I just feel like Diddy has always been outspoken and in your face and at times outshined his artists. Lol People underestimate Jermaine Dupri because he isn't as flamboyant as Puff Jermaine Dupri has quietly made tons of hits for other artist.
JD was pushing heavy n more acts that stood out; Mariah Carey(best album Emincipation of Mimi), Jagged Edge, Dem Franchise Boyz, Da Brat, Bow Wow, Ludacris, etc. Diddy don't stand a chance. Besides Biggie, who stood out? R&B group Total? MGK? C'mon man. Don't do that Math. You my nigga though but nah. JD had anthems 😂
Puff stood next to what's hot and was great at revamping old scool hits. JD mimmicked what was hot in regards to hip hop. Examples, Brat was a female copy of Snoop, Kriss Kross was a direct copy of Naughty By Nature and even J-Kwon's Tipsy, the beat and some of the song mimmicked Grinding. I can go further. JD is definitely a better writer, especially for R&B.
Thats because JD looked out for his artist best interest and hisself. Puffy only looked out for Puffy. JD from the south. Where we come from in the early 90s you couldn’t move shaky or you wouldn’t make it to be JD /So So Def/ southern pioneer. You had to be a solid dude to make it in the south on that level at that time. JD comee from the UGK/Geto Boys/8ballMJG era ..all solid dudes.
JD in the song writes hall of fame it’s only four other hip hop artists in there Hov Missy Elliot and the Neptune’s that say a lot JD got weapons of mass destruction lol
Joc just showed me that he would do more as an executive rather than an artist. It was great to see how intelligent he is
Agree
I don’t think y’all appreciate the soso def bass allstar movement if you not from the south. That’s prime southern music.
"The streets consistently contradict the streets "! That's real talk and should be the theme for 2023 and beyond 💯
I'm jealous I didn't say that first Salute Edrice real m/f talk!!!
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Say less! Best bit of knowledge I wished that I would've acquired back in the 80's & 90's! Bravo Edrice Cepheus, Bravo 👏👏
The YSL situation
Jermaine Dupri had Big on a song with Brat. #Classic
B-Sides
He also did the Big poppa remix that didn’t work
Jd did Ari Lenox pressure
As a New Yorker please excuse my blasphemy, but I’m goin wit JD. He is a writer and a player of instruments, as a great pretender myself. I do put extra respect in that.
NY so bias it’s INSANE. 🤦🏾♂️ You had to excuse yourself for your OWN opinion 😂 This sh*t is crazy! 😂😂😂😂
As a NEW YORKER I AGREE
New Yorkers not biased,they just not gonna let no one take away their credit for starting that hip hop shit.And ALWAYS BEING IN THE GAME!
@@peedot39 Nah. Don’t do that, that’s not even what the topic is.
I'm from Harlem / Washington Heights. I agree. 💯
You know what's funny.... It seems like everybody forgot that Diddy produced multiple albums of Mary j Blige, jodeci, usher's first album, invented the remix (nobody was doing remixes prior to Diddy) etc...has done songs with Mariah Carey too.... Did y'all forget Honey featuring the Lox and Mase? That's just a tip of the iceberg. I'm not taking nothing away from JD, But just because puff don't write songs doesn't mean he doesn't orchestrate it.
Exactly!!!!
False… Diddy never produced anything he executive produced. If he has anything to do with a song, album, or anything he wants a producer credit…
Put JD and Puff in a studio alone, only one walks out with a complete record. JD.
People really sleeping on JD. Dude really can spit, produce and ✍️.. it’s not going to go like you think. #AtlHoe
What can Jermaine play against who shot ya? 10 crack commandments? Or any of the lox. But jus biggie alone. And Jay z American gangsta album
@@bbkingme8831 Diddy has his own songs which is what Joc was saying. Even if it's only his own songs from his own albums Diddy has a super STRONG 20
he cannot spit...LOL Better than diddy, yeah. But he's average at best.
Dude cant spit..him and Diddy wack as rappers
@@thecunninlynguist he's better than diddy at spitting
JD confirmed that he has written/produced a hit record every year. His catalog is crazy.
Can’t lose with a young Joc interview 👍🏽
There are three types of talent. I know it makes me sound old but hear me out. You have true artistry. Talent that can write and create works of art like JD. Then you have the Beyonce type that can act out what is written and perform it masterfully. Definitely talented but behind the scenes someone is teaching choreography, writing the lyrics, making the beats. I feel like you can be rich but not a great artist by simply being great at copying style. Diddy is simply who he has stood next to. Beyonce is a master of recognizing great work and performing that work. There is no Diddy without Big and the other artists. So, before you hate just step back and think about it. Would you consider it a great painting if someone else painted it and another person just copied it and put their name on it? We have to separate the artistry from the promoters. Diddy is great at making money off someone else’s art but the real artist is JD. Respect both, but one is dependent on someone else’s creativity and the other is truly creative. Beyonce is somewhere in the middle of both like an actor or something.
Puff was the hottest young executive in the game as exec his job was to find the hottest producers writers and artist for his labels to be successful the Nigga literally ran the 90’s Uptown and Bad Boy he was so hot La Reid hired him to help roll out Outkast and Usher
@@MrWARBUCKS24 hmmm... Well this Is wrong! Diddy is one of the GOATS no doubt about it BUT he's not the youngest when it comes to executive roles. JD did it a younger age. And yes L.A REID let Diddy produce the first Usher's album but did it work? NO. That's why REID gave Usher to JD for the second round and that's when we had "My Way", then " 8701" and after that JD produced "Confessions" 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
@@MrWARBUCKS24 He is a great executive , true. I'm just saying he isn't an artist. He is the Don King of the music industry. He isn't in the same category as JD. Would we compare Don King to Ali or Tyson?
What about the painter who painted somebody's idea. The painter shouldn't be the only one getting credit cause they drew it. If the painter was never told to paint that picture by someone it wouldn't exist.
Beyonce writes too.. You kind of discredited her., I get what you’re saying but you’re not saying it all
JD actually wrote and produced, period. Diddy hired all his writers and producers.
The songs Diddy is affiliated with are definitely my favorite and a part of my life, but what you're saying is true. I wonder why this major factor goes overlooked. If you put both of them in 2 separate rooms with the tools to create a song, only 1 of them comes out with anything. Diddy's role is essential but in the way that Dj Khaled's is.
@safiyaworld Khaled actually makes beats too. Lot of people dint know that.
@@betbet5606 Yeah I saw that video last year where he unsuccessfully tried to make a beat. He knows his strengths and excels at them. He's great at what he does. Again, that's why he's more comparable to Diddy.
@safiyaworld that video showed him working on who knows what, but to say that proves he can't produce a beat is an exaggeration. He doesn't make every beat on his albums, but he has made some and even for other artists as well.
@@betbet5606 Of course it proves he's not great at producing. 🤷🏾♀️ He tried and it wasn't good. You're talking about some beats made 10 years ago. Lol It's not debatable. He does not make beats. He's an executive producer. And he's great at it. A verzus with Khaled won't consist of a bunch of hits that he physically made beats for. What are you arguing. 🤦🏾♀️ Listen to his description of what he does. It's on TH-cam. He orchestrates the overall production. So you're arguing with him? Lol
I am rolling with JD too
Respect to both but Diddy is a genius mogul. Even though he may not be more talented than JD musically Diddy will def invest in the best producers, writers, singers, artists
Yeah u from NY I can tell. U bein bias 😂 SMFH
@@BeatzByJones No bias. I honestly don’t even fuck with Diddys music like that. But if I was an artists and I had to chose who to go with I’m taking diddy. His resources are beyond NYC.
@@flex_nyc9885 Right. That proves my point. You don’t even fw music and u STILL went wit him 🤦🏾♂️😂
@@flex_nyc9885 the problem is This: Diddy will fuck you with a shitty contract, take a part of your publishing and make you pay for all these expansive music videos. I hope you have your own publishing and that you write your lyrics? He will dry you off of your rights 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
@@BeatzByJones I guess you didn’t understand my reasoning for choosing him. I don’t have to fuck with his music. I’m going to him for his international resources. Gotta take your emotions out of the business. JD is super talented but if you were to go to Africa, Brazil, PR, DR, Dubai and showed them a picture of Diddy and a picture of JD who do you think they will recognize first?
This is a funny segment… This also shows the difference between how their artists turned out… Joc is praising Diddy’s showmanship and how he made himself the flag bearer of Bad Boy… While JD built SoSoDef and allowed his artists to be the stars of their projects… Ppl not familiar are gonna learn a lot about how deep JD roots go…
JD has songs to keep up but Diddy has the showmanship
As much as I hate to admit it, you are right! Unfortunately, in front of a crowd, showmanship has the advantage. JD is the overall better producer/writer but nobody is gonna care about that during a versus. I respect what both of them has given to culture though.
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Boom! Showmanship....Bad Boy concerts was🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Wrong
Diddy or JD both very talented there on my top 5 list of producer's for sure but I feel like people don't take JD as serious he damn near focuses more on R&B
Diddy just put his name of shit, JD really wrote the song and made the beat
@@dwillwilliams1240 do u understand what a producer is he don’t have to physically touch the equipment
@@MrWARBUCKS24 Exactly💯 and the funny part is he does half the time and JD don't touch every project there's a guy named B.Cox that people forget about that's making the music lol
So whut RnB where it's at and been at n the 90s
@@tgmidaz223 Nah R&B coo but we talkin that bout that Rap shit when it come to these Verzuz
the real verzuz should be Puff vs. Dre, JD need to battle Dallas Austin
People have to realize that JD had only two kids acts on his label. He had more than one artists on So So Def. He had Kris Kross, Trina Broussard, Xscape, Monica(Management only), Bow Wow, Playa Poncho, Jagged Edge, Fundisha, Whodini, Dem Franchize Boyz, Harlem World, Ghost Town DJ's, R.O.C., TLC (Management only), T. Waters, YoungBloodZ, Bone Crusher, Anthony Hamilton, Daz Dillinger, 3LW, Miss B, Brooks Buford, Rocko, DJ Felli Fel, Young Capone, Hot Dollar, Johntá Austin, Dondria, 9th Ward, Leah Labelle, who had passed away and he had Lil Jon, which he was working for So So Def as a A&R since 1993 and he had put together the So So Def Bass All Stars album compilations.
I listened to 4 hours of music produced by Diddy. He worked with alot of artists as well. You'll be surprised. It's gonna come down to music selection, guest, and performance.
He worked with a lot of other producers too
@@markwilson1071 So has Jermaine, Dre, Kanye, and other big name producers. It's usually a team effort.
@@jamellgordon6108 yeah but Diddy plays 0 instruments nor write. He's a great business man bc he was the owner of all of the work his producers put out.
@@jamellgordon6108 Tru
No one did it like Puff did! Puff used to be a back up dancer for artists like Heavy D and a party promoter before being an intern at Uptown. He discovered Mary J. Blige and gave Jodeci their gruffy look because if not, they would've been just another 4 men vocal harmony group like Boyz II Men. He put Jodeci, Faith Evans & MJB on Father MC's albums so people could hear them in the background and he gave us Biggie. JD had TLC and Usher but he did not mold their style like Puffy did. He worked with them musically but he did not draw an artistic vison like Puff.
Great interview
Gat Murda blurts out some wrong shit outta nowhere EVERY episode 😂😂😂😂 one episode they were talking about different eras of the South and Gat came outta nowhere with "PETEY PABLO"😂😂😂😂😂 that shit almost killed me😂😂😂😂
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Y'all get off My Man Gat.. That's the BROOKLYN WAY😏
real talk enjoyed this
Allll in the video! Alll in the song !! All in pictures !! Lol 😂
It’s gonna be a blowout! And I feel bad for JD cause he really deserves his flowers, but puff is HIM!!!
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LOL.....Diddy ain't had a hit since Black Rob's Whoa
@@TommieGun71 and JD didn't have a hit since money ain't a thing 🎯
Jd got songs on the chart tho as of 2022 tho y’all sleeping on that man he ghost wrote an written so many songs for people
On crack in 2023
The song with JD and Nas is I Got to Have It, featuring Monica.
“JD WAS POPPIN KIDS OFF” 😂pause bruh we in NY lol
I’m surprised they let that slide lol they say pause about everything
The thing that people don't realize is that JD is a beast!! He kills it on R&B and on Hip-hop! Just as Diddy and you can't name many producers who signed and produced platinum and gold superstars like JD and Diddy. To me it's only both of them in the game! Dr Dre is the best when it comes to Hip-hop but for the R&B part? He ain't signed big R&B acts! 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️ Rodney Jerkins made big hits on R&B but what about the Hip-hop part? You see? JD and Diddy are the only ones in the music industry to do that!! But now here is my point of view: when it comes to Hip-hop Diddy wins with Biggie and his own tracks. JD got Da Brat and Bow Wow but they ain't on the same level. But when you move on to the R&B side? Diddy won't be able to battle against Usher and Mariah Carey's hits that JD produced! Period. So the selection will Be important. For me, JD is the winner for the R&B part and Diddy wins when it comes to hip-hop 😎😎
Maybe r&b diddy got hip hop c’mon cross cross and bow wow lol lol c’mon man.Ugly xscape bitches.lol lol c’mon man.
Yeah but Diddy got Mary J Blige she got hits to get tho
@@wandaerving3065 Yes but that's where things get confused: Diddy didn't produce all MJB's hits! And, to be honest, I don't know which MJB's songs can beat Usher's "You got it bad", " Burn " or "Confession" all produced by JD or Mariah's "We belong together"? This gonna be hard for Diddy
@@heatmentouch Nobody cares who did what and how many producers made the song on verzuz. Puff Daddy will win even if he only uses his features and records as an artist.
@@donniedraco4310 ahahah🤣🤣 that's the problem!! Because Verzuz has rules and they must play songs they produced or songs they're featured on! For example, Diddy used Black Rob's "Woah" in a video with JD and he didn't even produced it... You can't do whatever you Want. Sorry but the game has rules 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
That welcome to Atlanta remix with Diddy. They’ll end versus with that 🔥🔥
Yeaaah!! It will Be fire!! 🔥🔥
Nobody wanna hear that
Dope segment
Diddy already won 🎯
Everybody know to leave Dre TF alone 🤫
Dr. Dre = Thanos
Why, its only 20 records not 100
Diddy a whoop em
Lol when quik better
It's videos on youtube of Diddy calling Dre out
the difference is, Diddy is literally only a marketer. JD actually makes his music from scratch. that takes a lot more mental power. Diddy could afford to market cuz it ain’t like he’s writing songs.
Thank y'all for having the maturity to not say "pause" when Joc said "JD was popping kids off"😩
I said it 😂
Joc is not from NY so when he says things, his mind is not in "dirty mode"
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9:08 - 9:10 is crazy and also the harsh sounding language edits in the Toomp clips.
Why you wear the dress Joc???
artistry wise JD is superior cuz he can make beats write the music etc but diddy had that jene se quios to make songs bigger and better.
@mrcabone what part of what i said dont apply to a verzuz..? i said diddy made bigger and better songs so song for song clearly i think diddy gonna win
Some of y'all must be around 30 years old. Nothing JD has can fuck with those first 2 MJB albums. The only thing that is close is 8701 by Usher which is close. Diddy has Mase, the Lox, Biggie, Total, Craig Mack, Black Rob, Danity Kane, Day 26, Total. Even the later acts have 1 hit. Oh...CARL THOMAS. JD, would need Bow Wow to come out and put on a show. Mariah, J.E. and Exscape is not gonna do it. Diddy still got 112 too.
Don’t forget French Montana
diddy simply stuck his name on other peoples work. he cant play a instrument or beat machine or write a lyric, he's dj khaled before khaled. JD actually writes and produced the hits his name is on.
I'm 37....and you are Delusial. Jd will kill puff with just Mariah Carey.
Don't forget Puff Daddy as an artist
You can’t even be taken serious bringing up day 26 & danity kane. Might as well have brought da band too while you was at it. And outside of Flava in ya ear and whoa, who outside of NY really cares about black Rob & Craig Mack?
THE 3 BEST HIP-HOP RAP MIXED WITH RNB CREATING figures of all time is probably Dr.Dre and P.Diddy JD THEY TOOK THE CULTURE N GAME TO SOME OTHER LEVELS THAT WON'T BE MATCHED. U CAN FEEL HOW U WANT ABOUT DIDDY BUT U CAN'T DENY PUFF ACHIEVEMENTS AND IMPACT AND INPUT AND CLASSIC SHIT HE BEEN INVOLVED IN ON THE RAP HIP-HOP RNB GAME. IN HISTORY I PUT HIM ONLY BEHIND DR.DRE WHO IS NR 1 BUT DIDDY IS NR 2 OR 3 OR JD NR 2 OR 3. BUT JD UNDERRATED NEEDS MORE LOVE LIKE DIDDY AND DR.DRE 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯 3 GOATS 🐐🐐🔥🔥🙏🏾🙏🏾🏆🥇😤🗣🎯🥶🥶🎨🪄😎😎🎤🎤
🔥🔥🔥🔥 These Gems
My only problem with a verzuz is that you shouldn't be allowed to use records you didn't yourself create. Slapping your name on a record and saying you made that when you know you didn't is disingenuous.
Puff winning even if he only uses his own records as an artist
A producer don’t have to physically make the beat to be the producer
@@MrWARBUCKS24 That would be an A&R which is what Khaled does and Diddy has done that a lot. Which is why during that live with Dupri, Dupri was calling him out for not making a lot of those records he was playing.
@@ImCaliKidOfficial Exactly. Diddy, Suge, Khaled, Prince, Dre, JD are all EXECUTIVE producers
Watch Diddy pull a Dipset move and not play the 🔥 songs in his catalog. If he play anything after the G-Dep and Shyne era it’s over. Don’t play none of them weak acts. He better play everything from Biggie to the G-Dep/ Shyne era.
JD got the song “I got to have it” wit NAS…. And I think they introduced Bow Wow at the end of that video
He got 2 songs with Nas and they won’t work in verzus against Puff 1 with Nas
@@MrWARBUCKS24 That’s a fact. They aren’t his best. I got Puff in that versus but JD ain’t no slouch… I’m a fan a hip hop and it’s hits on both sides
JD gonna have serious bangers with Mariah and Usher but Diddy is gonna kill it.
🤔 that would be epic. A Jay-Z vs Nas Verzuz via Diddy and JD. 😳
JD is a DJ too. He would know what’s the best in a rotation
Puff got showmanship and Mary j blige so I’m good
JD got hits wit Mary too goofy
The ice eater was OD in the background
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Jd gonna style on love 😂😅
How tf did JOC turn into JADAKISS @ 5:45?? 😂😂😂😂
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Real talk interview fasho shout out to you brother's let's talk about it
JD never will out shine diddy ever …he don’t he talk enough 🤦🏾♂️😂😂
Shut yo goofy ahh up… go listen to country music 🤣💯
Diddy easily
Would the verzuz be bad boy vs so so def. Or would it be more about what they actually produced? Cause producing wise I got JD but if we talking labels and label acts then it goes to diddy
JD got the evil genius smile on rn.. ppl sleep.. its gonna be a great battle.. ppl forget JD is an actual DJ.. a lot of these battles come down to showmanship.. Yea Diddy can perform but ill match that up with the DJ who can rock the crowd
5:50 wow that's crazy
Bank takes all Money 💰💯
all about the benjamins baby
J.D. wrote for usher, mariah carey need I say more
JD has more than you think
Jeezy and Gucci mane was on the same tour together which is unbelievable
If JD had not been so short and had more swag he may have been bigger. But even in the A he GM gets shitted on. Diddy came to ATL and was a bigger presence.
Diddy don’t write his shit JD do an one in the song writers HOF an the other one isn’t so der ya go goofy..
Puffy ain’t even close never forgot JD in songwriters hof
Diddy was all in tbe music videos dancing 😂😂
JD all day. He's a producer. Puff is a co producer
Diddy ain't got NOTHING on JD but New York/Eastcoast bias and favoritism.
Look at the careers of artists JD did the bulk of production and look at Puff. It’s really not even close, JD by a mile but Joc makes a solid point ✊🏼
JD did a song with Nà over the Sledgehammer sample
You can block your blessings !!!✊🏾🙏🏾✊🏾
I love your swag ❤🎉 0:45
JD wrote Usher’s Confessions album. Seriously
I couldn't pick one or the other...its like Prince vs Michael smh
Diddy won't let his artist shine is what joc saying
A And math was saying it as I was typing wow
We need Jody breeze up there next
Well Joc was signed to Diddy I know he’s excited about their hit resurgence during the versus 🎊🎊
People sleep on JD hit songs just google who he wrote for and produced you will be shocked from rap legend Rnb and Pop . .I got him winning big
JD catalog is crazy
It was Jody Breezy.. He wasn't the only one saying that..
Team Bad Boy 🎉
Just the intro alone to victory is getting JD the fuck outta here!
GO GET JOE MOSES OUT OF CALIFORNIA AND INTERVIEW HIM
I'd love more coherent speakers.....and not sounding the sound just like the shaking of ice in the cup
I just feel like Diddy has always been outspoken and in your face and at times outshined his artists. Lol People underestimate Jermaine Dupri because he isn't as flamboyant as Puff Jermaine Dupri has quietly made tons of hits for other artist.
JD was pushing heavy n more acts that stood out; Mariah Carey(best album Emincipation of Mimi), Jagged Edge, Dem Franchise Boyz, Da Brat, Bow Wow, Ludacris, etc. Diddy don't stand a chance. Besides Biggie, who stood out? R&B group Total? MGK? C'mon man. Don't do that Math. You my nigga though but nah. JD had anthems 😂
So Mary and Jodeci don’t exist Faith had hits even got joints with Usher go check his resume from 90-99
That's whut im saying I make music clearly JD the real deal😂👑🔥
@@MrWARBUCKS24 Mary and Jodeci were NOT part of Bad Boy. Are u slow?
@@ALexander-ue3kj Devante and Chucky Thompson didn’t need Puffy’s help with Jodeci, Mary or Faith 🤷🏾♀️🤣😂
Maaaan puff not fuckin wit JD... JD is still writing shit for people today thats knocking
PUFFY from NYC we set trends them niggas was watching NYC
The trend is f*ucking people over 😂😂😂
Puff stood next to what's hot and was great at revamping old scool hits.
JD mimmicked what was hot in regards to hip hop. Examples, Brat was a female copy of Snoop, Kriss Kross was a direct copy of Naughty By Nature and even J-Kwon's Tipsy, the beat and some of the song mimmicked Grinding. I can go further. JD is definitely a better writer, especially for R&B.
JD was the genius behind Usher's Confessions album. He got Maria, JE, Brat and Bow on speed dial. Don't play.
You mean the album JD wrote?
You know JD wrote and produced the hits off that album lmao
Negative
My bad y'all, I don't know why I wrote Diddy instead of JD🤣🤣🤣🤣
That one thing that Diddy had over JD, was height, that's it
JD and Nas song was on that Big mommas house soundtrack
@myexpertopinion can y’all get Jordan Peterson on. It’s time.
Jd got that joint with Mase to don't forget that
Thats because JD looked out for his artist best interest and hisself. Puffy only looked out for Puffy. JD from the south. Where we come from in the early 90s you couldn’t move shaky or you wouldn’t make it to be JD /So So Def/ southern pioneer. You had to be a solid dude to make it in the south on that level at that time. JD comee from the UGK/Geto Boys/8ballMJG era ..all solid dudes.
He meant Diddy could get him through that NoRe door and Fat Joe's "gay mafia" lol
JD gone smoke his boots
JD in the song writes hall of fame it’s only four other hip hop artists in there Hov Missy Elliot and the Neptune’s that say a lot JD got weapons of mass destruction lol
He went with the more popular person not necessarily the smartest choice
JD copied what was already hot Snoop/Da Brat, House of Pain/Kriss Kross.
Puffy ain't been hot since dirty money if that, that was his downfall