Barbell Bicep Curl Mistake

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  • A common bicep curl mistake is being too strict with your technique. This is when you try to be completely still and are not allowing any movement in your upper arm during a bicep curl. But, what you need to understand is that biceps are also involved in shoulder flexion. So, if you want to stimulate all of the muscle fibres and achieve that peak contraction let your elbows move slightly forward and bring that bar closer to your face when doing a bicep curl.

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  • @samkzondo4487
    @samkzondo4487 ปีที่แล้ว +1577

    Do whatever hurts your biceps bruh

    • @elvismora7378
      @elvismora7378 ปีที่แล้ว

      So I should hit them with a hammer

    • @Phdream545
      @Phdream545 ปีที่แล้ว +87

      Exactly. That's what I thought 😂

    • @wyattreed3396
      @wyattreed3396 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      What if it hurts my tendon

    • @DeertickDaniel
      @DeertickDaniel ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@wyattreed3396dont

    • @FBI-lj5us
      @FBI-lj5us ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@wyattreed3396means muscle is stronger than tendon, also means you need to start doing very low weight extremely high rep, 100-200 reps. This'll help strengthen tendon. Takes a week or two, 2 times a week 3 sets two times a day 100-200 reps "more often not equal better".

  • @VibeASMR
    @VibeASMR ปีที่แล้ว +365

    I literally just watched five videos in a row that said not to do this. Fitness TH-cam is so broken😂

    • @malikthebrit335
      @malikthebrit335 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      was it by max euceda?

    • @victoryfootHd
      @victoryfootHd 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@malikthebrit335yesss just saw escuda’s one

    • @Myplaylists93
      @Myplaylists93 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      That's interesting because Max Euceda seems to give instructions that contradict what other more experienced and known bodybuilders on TH-cam's tell you NOT to do. All this conflicting info is confusing.

    • @sakibahmed8564
      @sakibahmed8564 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂😂😂😂😂

    • @ShubhamSingh-hi5qy
      @ShubhamSingh-hi5qy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Then Watch the shorts of Davis biley related to barbell curls.

  • @jerrycadarottestoungewiggl3176
    @jerrycadarottestoungewiggl3176 ปีที่แล้ว +794

    I will never understand how to workout. Just do what works best for you. You get all confused when you start listening to other ppl, cuz everyone tells you things from one end of the spectrum to the other, and everyone thinks their way is the only way. Learn what works for you and do it!

    • @bunda184
      @bunda184 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      well said my man

    • @comfortablyad2164
      @comfortablyad2164 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Lol you know bud this is a science and what he’s saying is spot on

    • @jerrycadarottestoungewiggl3176
      @jerrycadarottestoungewiggl3176 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      @@comfortablyad2164 Never said it wasn't.

    • @bobthegreatblob
      @bobthegreatblob ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@comfortablyad2164 If youre not working with cables or bands the second form will take the load away from your biceps since your biceps will only be working for half of the rep, even though shoulder flexion is involved you shouldn't use momentum for curls or bring your upper arm 90° to your chest.
      (Using momentum turns curls into cheat curls which are a muscle building movement but their purpose is different and bringing your upper arm 90° to your chest should only be acceptable if you're working with a cable)
      Source: 5 years of arm wrestling training

    • @jerrycadarottestoungewiggl3176
      @jerrycadarottestoungewiggl3176 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bobthegreatblob nice you're an armwrestler. I just started armwrestling lol

  • @srkthedon4025
    @srkthedon4025 ปีที่แล้ว +252

    Your gym trainer will never allow you to do that

  • @afranks8566
    @afranks8566 2 ปีที่แล้ว +123

    This is how I've always done them, but I see other videos on TH-cam saying this wrong or it's better to do it a certain way. This way has always felt the most comfortable to me and I seem to get a response from it. Glad to see you agree.

    • @kameron2035
      @kameron2035 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      different curls and shoulder flexion equals different heads of the bicep is targeted theres nothing wrong with the first curl

    • @yashbatra5548
      @yashbatra5548 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kameron2035 correct

    • @billwill3732
      @billwill3732 ปีที่แล้ว

      John meadows says both styles are correct....... so both styles are correct, john knew all.

  • @AleksandarDinkov
    @AleksandarDinkov ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Not to be funny but if you do it this way the anterior shoulder musles get involved a lot more as the centre of mass is shifted forwards (#basicbiomechanics)

  • @Ayotzi94
    @Ayotzi94 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Keeping my arms closer to my body definitely let’s me feel it more

  • @gentlejack2845
    @gentlejack2845 2 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    Bro the first video is the real deal

  • @michaelgonzales92mg
    @michaelgonzales92mg 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ive tried other forms and this one works for me because I can feel it more in my biceps now. Thanks for the tip

  • @Looper_24798
    @Looper_24798 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yes After that switch your wrists and turn it to a overhead press to activate total Bicep flexion.

  • @400ms6
    @400ms6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I watched 10 videos saying not to do this then I get this

    • @lean4ever_
      @lean4ever_  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Who are you going to believe? I hope my arguments make sense

    • @400ms6
      @400ms6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@lean4ever_ well if u wanna isolate biceps.

    • @ShubhamSingh-hi5qy
      @ShubhamSingh-hi5qy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Watch the shorts of David diley related to barbell curls he says the same thing about elbow movement during curls.

  • @arikmonlouis4453
    @arikmonlouis4453 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks

  • @HeightsParanormal-
    @HeightsParanormal- 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For me I have learned the key is to do a mixture of both. First work out with the bar keeping elbows in place, then do a second round of reps with moving your elbows.

  • @Kamil_Srnka
    @Kamil_Srnka ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yes, you should let your elbows move slightly forward, but this wasn't slightly forward

  • @AwkwardlyYou
    @AwkwardlyYou ปีที่แล้ว +208

    Slightly? Lol

    • @yashbatra5548
      @yashbatra5548 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      He has made his elbow to moon and say slightly 🤣🤣hehe

    • @lean4ever_
      @lean4ever_  ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Fair play. I did move them too far forward.

  • @vitoumbertoceliberti227
    @vitoumbertoceliberti227 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This will shift the work to your anterior deltoids, it is wrong if you want to train only your biceps! It's important not to get the shoulder involved during the exercise no matter what, you need to keep the elbows fixed and just curl the weight, and when you get fatigued, don't use momentum to curl the weight, do half reps instead but always keep the focus on the curling motion! This is the only way to gain the maximum work from your biceps.

    • @goose6619
      @goose6619 หลายเดือนก่อน

      th-cam.com/users/shortsDXTDJbPRl-A?si=FQxTCjWednQBNbEe

  • @ISuPeRTNTI
    @ISuPeRTNTI ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I do them strict for like 7-8 reps until i cant and then move my elbows for another 3-4 reps

  • @lisandromedeirosgoltz438
    @lisandromedeirosgoltz438 ปีที่แล้ว

    correct bring a little bit before to aling hand and elbow in vertical positiion

  • @mohammaddalloul9891
    @mohammaddalloul9891 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Biceps are involved in shoulder flexion?
    Hmmm never hear that one before

    • @NM-ho5qt
      @NM-ho5qt 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They are just google it or ask chatgpt

    • @bobthegreatblob
      @bobthegreatblob หลายเดือนก่อน

      They actually are. Certain muscles are designated to work together (eg back muscles) however the conclusion that activating your delts will help activate your biceps more is just false. Just curl the weight in a controlled manner the way it feels natural and don't try to force anything.

  • @LouisFLL
    @LouisFLL ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just saw a video of a guy saying the exact contrary

    • @lean4ever_
      @lean4ever_  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Which one makes more sense to you?

    • @LouisFLL
      @LouisFLL ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@lean4ever_ i don't know honestly

  • @coachcappadoch
    @coachcappadoch 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Having protracted shoulders when you bicep curl only makes you “feel” the exercise more because youre training in a shorter position of the bicep fibers, which means you will have more control and awareness.
    In terms of pulling your shoulders back and curling (more like a drag curl) youre going to get a longer position of the bicep at the start and we all know (hopefully) that more stretch= more muscle
    Doing this isnt “wrong” but it isnt “right” either
    It would suffice if you dont have the shoulder girdle control and bicep strength to fully lengthen

  • @plinkert22
    @plinkert22 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    a common mistake is that people think that the anteflexion is not under resistance with a strict execution of the curl. If you don't, it'll turn into a drag curl.

  • @Austin-gr7fj
    @Austin-gr7fj 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    slightly not fully 💀

  • @DeletedUser73926
    @DeletedUser73926 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Would using your shoulder not take load off of your bicep? So instead of the movement being completely performed by a bicep movement it’s half bicep half back or something

    • @lean4ever_
      @lean4ever_  2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Shoulder would contribute but this is compensated by a longer range of motion all together. Your bicep is able to achieve peak contraction when the shoulder is slightly flexed.

    • @CharlieDoesntSurf
      @CharlieDoesntSurf ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lean4ever_ i didnt realize you were doing shoulder curls

  • @mixtapemedia4440
    @mixtapemedia4440 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Literally the opposite advice of the video I saw before it 😂

  • @PentahedronX
    @PentahedronX ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for that brother

    • @lean4ever_
      @lean4ever_  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      pleasure to help

  • @rain_josephbyrne
    @rain_josephbyrne 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’m going to try this form next time I curl

  • @ibrahimmazhar7314
    @ibrahimmazhar7314 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Only if u have been in gym for some time and can control the movement through out.

  • @Rob-kp7fi
    @Rob-kp7fi หลายเดือนก่อน

    Makes sense 😂 why do I workout like a robot 😂❤

  • @Someoneonyoutube
    @Someoneonyoutube 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    'Slightly forward'
    Mf not even feeling the weight at that point lmao

  • @Phdream545
    @Phdream545 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bruh.... Rest in peace 🕊️

  • @ashleyriosrizo
    @ashleyriosrizo ปีที่แล้ว +24

    His voice lets me know he's legit. 😂

  • @niceguynevermind999
    @niceguynevermind999 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I try to only use this when towards my last reps people always said to me it was bad form

  • @valoranderson3755
    @valoranderson3755 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Everytime I do it l like this I'll have guys come up to me and tell me to do it another way

  • @sr.brainy3072
    @sr.brainy3072 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    good tip but the execution is still a bit off. dont lift your elbows that high, maybe around 2-3 inches lower than how the guy did it and dont forget to lean back during failure reps

  • @blind_warriorr
    @blind_warriorr 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You know what’s also involved in shoulder flexion? Your freaking shoulders. I have to admit I will do this variation of curl once in awhile with a cable straight bar attachment. It’s just the front delts are also taking a lot of the work away from the biceps.

  • @GrenadeLauncherYT
    @GrenadeLauncherYT ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is nothing wrong with doing the 1st one. I only allow humerus movement to assist going past failure

  • @kelz692
    @kelz692 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Whatever hurts your bicep the most, do

    • @unluckyseven04
      @unluckyseven04 ปีที่แล้ว

      I got myself a 3rd degree burn on my arm but I see no gains! Liar!

    • @kelz692
      @kelz692 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@unluckyseven04 lool

  • @zaidft4819
    @zaidft4819 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    He seems like foreigner in bollywood

  • @toolrammsteindeftones
    @toolrammsteindeftones 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Some say yes, others no. No one knows. Try both and whatever gives you results, stick with that one.

  • @JakeWalker23664
    @JakeWalker23664 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The next video says not to do this

  • @JuanFernandoCastroReyna-jn4te
    @JuanFernandoCastroReyna-jn4te ปีที่แล้ว

    Just tight your Core and Pects and that already gives You all the stability that You need on Back and shoulders, with that you can go up with whatever you need from your shoulders.

  • @PeakPerformanceWorkouts
    @PeakPerformanceWorkouts ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool couldn’t move my are for three days nope thanks

  • @GoodByeSkyHarborLive
    @GoodByeSkyHarborLive ปีที่แล้ว +2

    when we bring the arm foward or startin a bit more shoulder flexion, does that target the lower bicep area more?

    • @lean4ever_
      @lean4ever_  ปีที่แล้ว

      I am not too sure. Will have to do some research

    • @Cheesycake11155
      @Cheesycake11155 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No it targets your shoulder more instead of your brachialis

  • @mr.riceguy8285
    @mr.riceguy8285 ปีที่แล้ว

    So that at the very top allow the weight is off your bicep? This doesn't make sense to me...

    • @lean4ever_
      @lean4ever_  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's not that black and white. Biceps flex both at the elbow and shoulder joint. You not gonna lose tension having a bit of shoulder flexion. Think, after you fully contracted your biceps and flexed the elbow allow your elbows come up slightly to get that squeeze.

    • @mr.riceguy8285
      @mr.riceguy8285 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Lean4ever_ That makes sense actually. Even if I was to hold the weight at the top it would engage my bicep.

  • @yerosmith1220
    @yerosmith1220 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The bicep curl is an elbow flexion movement, not a shoulder flexion movement. This is ridiculous!

  • @agrimpuriya2585
    @agrimpuriya2585 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I literally heard someone to not move your biceps.

  • @Bunnie333
    @Bunnie333 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Omg what size bar is that???? It's perfect! Link? Info?please !! I've been searching forever for the rightone ...

  • @kartikayjain1912
    @kartikayjain1912 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    thats not slightly forward

  • @scottyelliott5440
    @scottyelliott5440 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What did he say

  • @prettyoninside19
    @prettyoninside19 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When someone doesn’t like doing it right and comes up with a video saying do it wrong aka the way they do it.

  • @MunchingSnorlax05
    @MunchingSnorlax05 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Wrong information wtf

  • @stevemann1299
    @stevemann1299 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The main thing is not swinging the body. And doing them under control. You will get more from a 66lb barbell than a 88lb barbell done sloppy.

  • @S_Heavens
    @S_Heavens ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Everythings wrong sometime or later like doing the triceps bench dip, upper barbell raises.

  • @ibrahimshah6079
    @ibrahimshah6079 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Who else noticed thaf the plate is 5 kilos

  • @krazy_w4fflez611
    @krazy_w4fflez611 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    lmao every video I’ve seen on this says the first one is correct

  • @billygoatea7171
    @billygoatea7171 ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel doing it more stricte is better for me it Eliminates swinging and and I foucs a lot on biceps and not on other muscles

  • @maxleshem3528
    @maxleshem3528 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    This is completely wrong

    • @regularinternetuser6647
      @regularinternetuser6647 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      No. Your biceps actually DO work in supporting shoulder flexion similar to the front delts in a suplinated position

    • @goose6619
      @goose6619 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are completely wrong. Go watch some jeff nippard and renaissance periodization

    • @goose6619
      @goose6619 หลายเดือนก่อน

      th-cam.com/users/shortsDXTDJbPRl-A?si=FQxTCjWednQBNbEe

  • @FriedZime
    @FriedZime ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, a slight movement is fine (but not necessary). However, what you showed was not at all slight.

  • @hannibal5179
    @hannibal5179 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice chin

  • @buckbuck79
    @buckbuck79 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I thought that lifting your upper arm uses shoulder muscles when you’re actually trying to target the biceps…

  • @kilner79
    @kilner79 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    people make anything for content these days duno why i waste my time watching videos as a week later everything changes again back to watching the old guys from the 80s that content dont change day to day

  • @dracielgaming9612
    @dracielgaming9612 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why giving wrong information common man wake up

  • @mr.f_dnb
    @mr.f_dnb 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So bring your front delts into the workout?.....

  • @davidsalas9755
    @davidsalas9755 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Best way to do biceps is don't move your elbows try to stay still as must as possible you can get stronger biceps.

  • @CharlieDoesntSurf
    @CharlieDoesntSurf ปีที่แล้ว +2

    “Let your elbow move slightly” bro you shot your elbows out like a foot wtf

    • @lean4ever_
      @lean4ever_  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes I did realize the mistake.

  • @ИванВангелов-з1т
    @ИванВангелов-з1т ปีที่แล้ว

    the other clip said that this is mistake 😟😟, now I'm confused 😦😦

  • @Ali_Dexter_399
    @Ali_Dexter_399 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Exactly 💯💯💯

  • @Namster05
    @Namster05 ปีที่แล้ว

    What are those plates?? They look disgustingly good

  • @christophercarr5744
    @christophercarr5744 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This never works bicep properly though

  • @rahulgarude932
    @rahulgarude932 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good one bro

  • @raaaj5226
    @raaaj5226 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is he from 2forigeners in Bollywood

  • @danirenee7438
    @danirenee7438 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No

  • @keung9597
    @keung9597 ปีที่แล้ว +133

    I hope you are joking😂😂😂😂

    • @drmate2611
      @drmate2611 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Bro this ain't a joke 💀

    • @keung9597
      @keung9597 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@drmate2611 💀💀

    • @drmate2611
      @drmate2611 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@keung9597 💀

    • @jahan3150
      @jahan3150 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea this is ☠️

    • @RooKangaRoo
      @RooKangaRoo ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Literally increase the Weight/Sets after your “normal” rep becomes your easy rep. This video was so useless.

  • @StrafinJr
    @StrafinJr ปีที่แล้ว

    A different video said not to do the 2nd movement? Idk what to believe anymore 😅

    • @lean4ever_
      @lean4ever_  ปีที่แล้ว

      Letting your elbows move slightly forward will lead to better bicep contraction try it yourself

  • @TrungThanh-ni8wd
    @TrungThanh-ni8wd ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The first one is right form. The second is so wrong

  • @ChildWithNoContext
    @ChildWithNoContext ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ok so your not wrong but in the video you brought your arms wayyyy to far forward, 2-3 inches is fine

  • @lisandromedeirosgoltz438
    @lisandromedeirosgoltz438 ปีที่แล้ว

    wrong you never bring to the top position you release tension and rest on elbow joint

  • @mylarhyrule904
    @mylarhyrule904 ปีที่แล้ว

    Except with free weights, the very top of the movement has virtually zero weight on it…. With cable curls, maybe, but with free weights, keep your elbows slightly in front of your body and only flex the bicep while you curl, keep the elbows in place

  • @markambrose66
    @markambrose66 ปีที่แล้ว

    Here's an idea for all of you in the comments: DO BOTH !

  • @agustinlyon8173
    @agustinlyon8173 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks but , shouldn't we use a Z bar ? Because that one will fuck up the hand doll

    • @zoak4813
      @zoak4813 ปีที่แล้ว

      No lol i don't know what bar you're using

  • @abdullahalhabsi9302
    @abdullahalhabsi9302 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks but I’m good

  • @sunnydays2020
    @sunnydays2020 ปีที่แล้ว

    You had it but then you lost it.

  • @bruhmane1944
    @bruhmane1944 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro said slightly

  • @shadowsmaster3173
    @shadowsmaster3173 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Dude... no.

    • @gentlejack2845
      @gentlejack2845 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bro the first video is the real deal

  • @AverageAhhCheeseburger
    @AverageAhhCheeseburger 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The accent is so thick lmaao😂😂😂

  • @theilluminatedone525
    @theilluminatedone525 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Skinny dude doing 5 pound barbel curls giving workout advice?

  • @toddy168
    @toddy168 ปีที่แล้ว

    im sorry but this is completely wrong, by doing it with this technique you are creating no tension on the biceps, if you want to do them right just tuck your elbows but allow yourself to cheat on those last reps if necessary

  • @sparky844
    @sparky844 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting.

  • @nawafw2454
    @nawafw2454 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the biceps are a very weak shoulder flexors and it only moves the shoulders inward with the help of coracobrachialis, you will not gain anything from doing this. the only way for you to gain a benefits from this if your shoulder muscle is somehow not functioning (can't be nerve damage since the auxiliary nerve is what feeds the deltoid + branches into musculocutaneous nerve which supply the biceps) this is extremely rare to see so, your tip is wrong. I get where you got the idea from, you went to see some anatomy reference and concluded that... but sorry to say it doesn't work like that...

  • @ChanBoogie310
    @ChanBoogie310 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s funny I saw a shirt that said not to move your elbows forward and now this telling me it’s okay to move them forward that’s why I don’t listen to any of this just ones that work for me

  • @FleetAdmiral833
    @FleetAdmiral833 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nonsense. I did them that way, made no gains. Did them strict and my biceps grew rapidly. Good form and good tempo, with reps done to failure is all you need

  • @shashankreddy583
    @shashankreddy583 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Bruh!

  • @sokoviahyper3934
    @sokoviahyper3934 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro are you the guy from 2 forgnrs in india

    • @lean4ever_
      @lean4ever_  ปีที่แล้ว

      Just looked it up... Similarities are scary 😅

  • @authenticnewsandvideo
    @authenticnewsandvideo ปีที่แล้ว

    i will share After Doing This..Just Wait

  • @johnclark7862
    @johnclark7862 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just watched two videos saying otherwise

  • @youavictim8290
    @youavictim8290 ปีที่แล้ว

    just saw a video that told me to do the opposite 😂

  • @shahnawazali2613
    @shahnawazali2613 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That’s slightly 😂😂😂😂

  • @GameplayOssboss
    @GameplayOssboss 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Its amazing. Just 3 shorts before someone showed to exactly not do this .. its getting boring with all this fake information.

  • @Orgil-trader
    @Orgil-trader 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Wt is dis