From searching my family records I found several boarding houses, so unrelated people in the same household. I also found females as live-in domestic help and young unrelated men as extra farmhands. In my family's recent past children were sent to different relatives while their Mom was in the hospital for an extended stay.
Sorry didn't get to continue conversation. My ancestors are from Pertusio, Prascorsano, Canischio area of Provinicia di Torino (also from City of Torino), Piemonte. I am researching Atti di Nati, Matrimoni e Morti on Family Search: Italy and I love probates wondering if there are examples of Italian probates I can see online? Also for those interested Virginia Chancery Court records online at the Library of Virginia website are an excellent source of probate information and they are a work in progress. Gradually adding more and more counties' records to those available. I am a genealogist for the Chandler Family Association and have transcribed a number of those Virginia Chancery Court records and uncovered new information for them in the process. Enjoyed the chat and look forward to the next one. Take care and stay safe.
Thanks for the opportunity to learn something new. According to this website www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Italy_Probate_Records, Italy doesn't have probate records. Instead, they have Declarations of succession (Dichiarazioni di Successione). Another term used is Notarial records. If you have more questions about Italian research, reach out to my friend Alessandro with Bella Italia Genealogy (www.bellaitaliagenealogy.com/site/). Whenever I have an Italian genealogy question, I ask him.
Ancestry DNA just updated ethnicity results: my two Geisler cousin and I changed our Scotland percentages. I went up to 40 percent while they changed to 32 and 13 from around 25 percent.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics well it increased my Swedish to 9 percent, so the Anderson side may be contributing to that number, too. It balances out because the Geisler cousins went up and down in their Scottish percentage.
Would the census taker might mistakenly marked down one of the sons as a female? My 5th Great Grandfather and his family Samuel Rouse Jr. (1782-1862) Martha (1786-1868) Thomas (1810-1870) William (1810-1882) My 4GG Joel (1815-1891) Abraham (1816-1870) John (1820-1883) James (1825-1870) They had 2 older children Nathaniel (1805-1850) Elizabeth (1808-1880) Thomas and William were born 9 months apart Thomas and Abraham died between 1870 and 1880 James died between 1860 and 1870 1830 Boone County, Kentucky Census Head Of Household: Samuel Rouse Jr. 2 Males 5 To 10: John and James 1 Male 10 To 15: Joel 2 Males 15 To 20: Thomas and William 1 Male 40 To 50: Samuel Jr. 1 Female 10 To 15: Unknown Daughter 1 Female 40 To 50: Martha
Yes, children could be listed incorrectly as female or male. Example: If the census taker saw a child with curly hair named Francis/Frances, he could easily think child was female instead of male.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics I sometimes wonder if in earlier times when little boys wore what would be considered dresses today and also had their hair longer sometimes with ribbons, etc. that enumerators might mistake them for girls. Or maybe the family told them they were for some unknown reason? ;-)
Proximity is one clue... as well as numbers, genders and ages of people, where (if you're lucky) may correlate to a family with ages 10 years older in 1850.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics Depends if they are alphabetical or order of enumeration. All kinds of clues for both -- handwriting of the time, county officers or other officials' names, administrative information (county? district? or otherwise) and check township, county formation for clues to earlier and/or later records; changes from year to year may show vital info (birth, deaths) or possible migration from or to elsewhere; compare with tax records and other records; military in reference to veterans just for some I can think of.
I have mostly Ontario families. The early census gave land plots etc and just head of family. After 1851 they showed religion, what nationality etc profession, 1901 census Showed birthdate and approx marriage years. Reading the transcribers writing was a challenge. My Dorland family was spelled Dirling, Darling,durland etc every ten years a different spelling.
I have many Ontario ancestors as well. I loved when they included the land description. This was so helpful when I was working my way through the Comforts and Zumsteins near Gainsborough, Lincoln County.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics United Empire Loyalists Phillip Fuchs (changed to Fox) and Johann Wendel Weigele (changed to Wigle). I think there are tons of us who are descendants just from the Fox and Wigle lines of Essex County, Ontario, Canada and VERY strong in my autosomal matches as well. Are probates for Canada online anywhere? I've never seen that they were. I'd like to know more about Canadian records? Do they have them at the National Archives in UK?
Did I miss something? Why didn't you include Joanna on the list? 8:22 And why she and Eliza didn't appeard on the 1850 Census? If you forget Johanna and you think there is one extra female on the census, then... When I do the census table, I like to insert one line with the adress of the family. Sometimes it's useful to have the adress: if they didn't move, you can have another clue to corroborate the info.
Constanza... yes. I did forget Johanna at one point. But then I caught her and found her again. I caught the error during editing but decided to leave it in as a teaching moment. You found it! Good job.
Decko Cards... I will work to improve the volume the next time around. My "now old' studio had some crazy issues when I recorded this last batch. When I set up the new studio I'm going to be vary contentious about the sound. Thanks for trying.
I think my biggest block has been when my ancestor married between1840 and 1850 and either I don't know their parents' names or if I do I don't know who their siblings would have been to figure out what would have been the likely tick mark configuration.
Same here. I was researching my ancestor, Ann Catherine Doyle, who possibly married Thomas Wright between 1844 and 1850, in Boston, Massachusetts and gave birth to at least four children between those years. That's my other biggest block.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics Not sure if this is helpful but I found some Massachusetts probate records at family search that were very complete in listing some of the family and their relationships and their residences. Some were listed as living in places like New York City.
I knew my 4th great grandmother had to be in a certain location in 1830 based on land records. I had to go page by page to find her because she did not appear in any index. She was listed as Widow Torbut, rather than Susannah or Susan Talbott. The handwrting was terrible.
GREAT Find! That's a new clue that I need to add to my help guides. Look for "Widow" instead of first names. And I agree many of the early census records are written with terrible handwriting.
Look up and down the page for similar names/letters to compare. Get list of examples of handwriting. Many letters were made differently then --- example double SS was made like a "P". Capital letters S and L were made like the other one. I have an ancestor whose last name started with S, but it looked like a G -- it was indexed incorrectly.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics In my notebook I print the alphabet lower and upper case and numbers and any other significant characters. Then I try to imitate how the enumerator made those letters, numbers, etc. next to each letter, number, character, etc. and keep that handy as I'm going through all of the pages. This has helped me a great deal especially if the writing is difficult to read or faded, etc. I do the same thing for probates and other older documents. I also try to find later printed records or published records like county histories, etc. to see what were the common surnames, given names, names of locations, etc. in a particular area.
From searching my family records I found several boarding houses, so unrelated people in the same household. I also found females as live-in domestic help and young unrelated men as extra farmhands. In my family's recent past children were sent to different relatives while their Mom was in the hospital for an extended stay.
I have found many of these same clues. It's so frustrating when my family members become brickwalls at boarding houses.
Sorry didn't get to continue conversation. My ancestors are from Pertusio, Prascorsano, Canischio area of Provinicia di Torino (also from City of Torino), Piemonte. I am researching Atti di Nati, Matrimoni e Morti on Family Search: Italy and I love probates wondering if there are examples of Italian probates I can see online? Also for those interested Virginia Chancery Court records online at the Library of Virginia website are an excellent source of probate information and they are a work in progress. Gradually adding more and more counties' records to those available. I am a genealogist for the Chandler Family Association and have transcribed a number of those Virginia Chancery Court records and uncovered new information for them in the process. Enjoyed the chat and look forward to the next one. Take care and stay safe.
Thanks for the opportunity to learn something new. According to this website www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Italy_Probate_Records, Italy doesn't have probate records. Instead, they have Declarations of succession (Dichiarazioni di Successione). Another term used is Notarial records.
If you have more questions about Italian research, reach out to my friend Alessandro with Bella Italia Genealogy (www.bellaitaliagenealogy.com/site/). Whenever I have an Italian genealogy question, I ask him.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics Thanks I have bookmarked the website and will do that in the future. Grazie mille! Buona giornata!
Ancestry DNA just updated ethnicity results: my two Geisler cousin and I changed our Scotland percentages. I went up to 40 percent while they changed to 32 and 13 from around 25 percent.
Is this good news or neutral news?
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics well it increased my Swedish to 9 percent, so the Anderson side may be contributing to that number, too. It balances out because the Geisler cousins went up and down in their Scottish percentage.
Gotcha. I haven't checked mine because I'm more interested in ThruLines than ethnicity. But I'll take a look once my once is set up again.
Would the census taker might mistakenly marked down one of the sons as a female?
My 5th Great Grandfather and his family
Samuel Rouse Jr. (1782-1862)
Martha (1786-1868)
Thomas (1810-1870)
William (1810-1882) My 4GG
Joel (1815-1891)
Abraham (1816-1870)
John (1820-1883)
James (1825-1870)
They had 2 older children
Nathaniel (1805-1850)
Elizabeth (1808-1880)
Thomas and William were born 9 months apart
Thomas and Abraham died between 1870 and 1880
James died between 1860 and 1870
1830 Boone County, Kentucky Census
Head Of Household: Samuel Rouse Jr.
2 Males 5 To 10: John and James
1 Male 10 To 15: Joel
2 Males 15 To 20: Thomas and William
1 Male 40 To 50: Samuel Jr.
1 Female 10 To 15: Unknown Daughter
1 Female 40 To 50: Martha
Yes, children could be listed incorrectly as female or male. Example: If the census taker saw a child with curly hair named Francis/Frances, he could easily think child was female instead of male.
The census taker is human and such errors are entirely possible. Thanks for sharing your information. I think it helps us all learn more.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics I sometimes wonder if in earlier times when little boys wore what would be considered dresses today and also had their hair longer sometimes with ribbons, etc. that enumerators might mistake them for girls. Or maybe the family told them they were for some unknown reason? ;-)
What clues do you get out of early census records?
Proximity is one clue... as well as numbers, genders and ages of people, where (if you're lucky) may correlate to a family with ages 10 years older in 1850.
I love these clues. I find family / neighbor clusters as extremely powerful.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics Depends if they are alphabetical or order of enumeration. All kinds of clues for both -- handwriting of the time, county officers or other officials' names, administrative information (county? district? or otherwise) and check township, county formation for clues to earlier and/or later records; changes from year to year may show vital info (birth, deaths) or possible migration from or to elsewhere; compare with tax records and other records; military in reference to veterans just for some I can think of.
I have mostly Ontario families. The early census gave land plots etc and just head of family. After 1851 they showed religion, what nationality etc profession, 1901 census Showed birthdate and approx marriage years. Reading the transcribers writing was a challenge. My Dorland family was spelled Dirling, Darling,durland etc every ten years a different spelling.
I have many Ontario ancestors as well. I loved when they included the land description. This was so helpful when I was working my way through the Comforts and Zumsteins near Gainsborough, Lincoln County.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics United Empire Loyalists Phillip Fuchs (changed to Fox) and Johann Wendel Weigele (changed to Wigle). I think there are tons of us who are descendants just from the Fox and Wigle lines of Essex County, Ontario, Canada and VERY strong in my autosomal matches as well. Are probates for Canada online anywhere? I've never seen that they were. I'd like to know more about Canadian records? Do they have them at the National Archives in UK?
Did I miss something? Why didn't you include Joanna on the list? 8:22 And why she and Eliza didn't appeard on the 1850 Census? If you forget Johanna and you think there is one extra female on the census, then...
When I do the census table, I like to insert one line with the adress of the family. Sometimes it's useful to have the adress: if they didn't move, you can have another clue to corroborate the info.
Constanza... yes. I did forget Johanna at one point. But then I caught her and found her again. I caught the error during editing but decided to leave it in as a teaching moment. You found it! Good job.
Hey Devon, the volume on your recording is low...I have it all the way up to 100 and I have to strain to hear what you are saying :-(
I had my volume at 50% and it was loud enough. Another genealogy-related mystery! 😊
@@debbeb4499 I'm just resigned to wearing my ear plugs, I guess. Those always keep the volume just right :-)
Decko Cards... I will work to improve the volume the next time around. My "now old' studio had some crazy issues when I recorded this last batch. When I set up the new studio I'm going to be vary contentious about the sound. Thanks for trying.
I think my biggest block has been when my ancestor married between1840 and 1850 and either I don't know their parents' names or if I do I don't know who their siblings would have been to figure out what would have been the likely tick mark configuration.
Same here. I was researching my ancestor, Ann Catherine Doyle, who possibly married Thomas Wright between 1844 and 1850, in Boston, Massachusetts and gave birth to at least four children between those years. That's my other biggest block.
Stacey, I'm in the same boat as you for so many of my relatives. The 1840/1850 divide is frustrating to say the least.
Tanya, that is a lot of life changing events between census. It makes us wonder how we ever make progress!
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics Not sure if this is helpful but I found some Massachusetts probate records at family search that were very complete in listing some of the family and their relationships and their residences. Some were listed as living in places like New York City.
I knew my 4th great grandmother had to be in a certain location in 1830 based on land records. I had to go page by page to find her because she did not appear in any index. She was listed as Widow Torbut, rather than Susannah or Susan Talbott. The handwrting was terrible.
GREAT Find! That's a new clue that I need to add to my help guides. Look for "Widow" instead of first names. And I agree many of the early census records are written with terrible handwriting.
For me, it's the handwriting in the early censuses.
Look up and down the page for similar names/letters to compare. Get list of examples of handwriting. Many letters were made differently then --- example double SS was made like a "P". Capital letters S and L were made like the other one. I have an ancestor whose last name started with S, but it looked like a G -- it was indexed incorrectly.
Agreed. The handwriting is super challenging.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics In my notebook I print the alphabet lower and upper case and numbers and any other significant characters. Then I try to imitate how the enumerator made those letters, numbers, etc. next to each letter, number, character, etc. and keep that handy as I'm going through all of the pages. This has helped me a great deal especially if the writing is difficult to read or faded, etc. I do the same thing for probates and other older documents. I also try to find later printed records or published records like county histories, etc. to see what were the common surnames, given names, names of locations, etc. in a particular area.
How to read the darn things
Yep. They can be challenging.