Calvin Smock v Marco Pontremolesi - Longbow men’s gold | Roma Archery Trophy 2018
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- Full match from the Roma Archery Trophy, the third stage of the 2019 Indoor Archery World Series in Rome, Italy. Recurve and compound archers shoot at a target 18 metres away. The 10-ring is 4cm in diameter for recurve archers and 2cm in diameter for compound archers. See more archery at www.worldarchery.org
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Look carefully at the video around 2.30 minutes at the two people removing arrows from the targets after the first end. The person on the right attending to target '2' uses correct form in grabbing the front of the arrow closest to the target boss with one hand whilst bracing against the boss with the other. This is a controlled method of withdrawal in order to prevent the arrow being bent.
In contrast the person attending to target '1' grabs the arrows two handed towards the centre of the shaft. This greatly increases the risk of torque to the arrow.
These are wooden arrows and having shot both (American) Longbow and English Longbow, I know how easily they can be bent from true and damaged. The method displayed by the person attending to target '1' would have me wincing at club level, but this is an international tournament and the people should be trained accordingly.
You're not wrong
My formal archery experience consists of an hour or two at a fun general activity centre sort of thing with the scouts like 16+ years ago, and even I know how to correctly remove an arrow.
Who makes their arrows?
as someone who has also shot both. this depends greatly on what they are sticking in. if its wedged in wood then yes you could wreck the arrow. If its a foam target this is unlikely. more likely to get shot variance from form issues than arrow issues... if they are properly tuned.
Could that contributed to his lower scoring towards the end? I've heard wood arrows are sensitive and could easily lose their straightness if not handled properly.
Bravo grande Marco !
Pretty amusing how the announcer didn't even try to say Pontremolesi again after his first attempt :)
Wow Calvin. He completely broke down and lost faith mentally. Fell way out of the zone and it cost him
This is real archery!
It's not *real* archery unless you use your feet to shoot homemade arrows while blindfolded.
Yes this is real archery not that crap you see in the Olympic games full gadgets and balance weights and sights etc etc even the Japanese have some very good archery no frills!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Im kinda sad that there aren't any real traditional competiotions
yeah its really quite annoying
@Nathaniel Miller Thumb draw I believe is for horse bows (shelfless) and shooting from the right side of bow. Correct me if I'm wrong.
How much time do they have to shoot?
It seems like Calvin is rushing.
The American keeps dropping his bow right before the arrow completely leaves his bow. His decreasing moral along with stamina really screwed him.
Yep. His bow arms moves a lot after the shot
@@Burboss I still am working on this
@@dominic6634 👌!
As I know absolutely nothing about competition Archery, your comment was of great use to me. You are absolutely correct, the American was not completing his shot before dropping his arm, and it definitely affected his results.
As i see it,his form collapses,that's why his bow jumps to the right side🤔🧐
The only true competition
Wish Olympic archery was like this. I’ve got nothing against modern materials; take off the sights, clicker and stabilisers from a modern bow and an archer from centuries ago would still recognise it as a bow and be very skilful with it. The sights and clicker in particular on modern Olympic bows really change the discipline into something much more considered and about aiming than historical archery.
Quite right. I want to see a bow of yew or birch, a suitable string, and that's it. Pure archery which requires strength and finesse and aim and patience, all to a higher degree than what these carbon fiber, accessorized bows require.
I like both but you're definitely right that it changes the focuses around. Like a foot race vs a bicycle race, two totally different skill sets.
It's a sport, it needs optimization for its own extreme purpose! Few things you need to consider:
1. Any sport can theoretically be featured at the Olympics, in practice, why it's not there is more likely because of the cost of all that entails to facilitate that one sport or its sub-categories, NOT PERCEPTION!
2. The NBA is the most prestigeous competition for basketball, not the Olympics, so any other sport or subcategories of it should have its own events that pinnaclize the highest skill level of that one discipline, instead of seeing it as not being in the Olympics means ill/under-perceived!
@@kev3d Ever shot any of those accessorized bows? Ever want to put an arrow in a ring the size of a CD player at 70 meters away? You can rant on about your "pure archery" bias all you want but at the end of the day, you are merely close-minded to whatever seemingly unpleasant that meets your eyes! I suggest you try shooting in multiple disciplines of archery so you can experience what strength, finesse, aim, patience and whatever virtues you so mistakenly deemed as missing are even more valued!
@@tritrinh568 Greaat response!!! 70 meter is a long way.
The Italian is exceptional.
Looking all this shots, what I found that both of archers release is very static, no proper follow through. It's definitely a sign of collapsing. The release should be dybamic I don't know why a lot of trad archers do that. Modern target bow may have sight, stabilizer, clicker etc, but the shot fundamental is always the same. No offence, but I think this archers could shoot better with a proper release.
Couldn't disagree more, they just don't have ridiculously flamboyant release pose recurve archers, with their assortment of skill reducers, use.
what is the librage of these bows?
What is the distance they are shooting?
18 metres
Smmer FLy thank you.
TINHAM QUE FILMAR POR TRAZ, AFIM DE VERMOS A TRAJETÓRIA DAS FLECHAS.
What distance are they shooting?
RB YUM 18 m
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the american is pretty hasty, rushing it and just firing them off like nothing, I don't get it, you don't have sights to aim for a minute, but jeez man..
It’s less about “taking time to aim but more about focus/instinct. The draw weights are usually heavy and holding to “aim” is not advisable.
Dude from usa is dropping his bow arm like crazy
anyone know what bows their using?
Both appear to be laminated pyramid flatbows. Most likely backed with fiberglass with wood cores. The Pyramid width taper of the limb gives the bow the most efficiency and speed possible. Probably using Fast Flight strings with reinforced limb tips as well.
real archery with real bows not all that fancy stuff
Would an archer using a traditional english longbow shooting of the hand be allowed in this competition?
I think the only thing not allowed is the compound bow and recurve too because it's a longbow competition! Other than that, if you can land consistently 10 at practical distances, it doesn't matter how you shelf your arrows.
target face is f40
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Come sempre l'italia pacca il culo!
This is the only truth competition
So how are these longbows?
They're not, they're flatbows. Calling them Longbows is a travesty.
It is a MLB - Modern Long Bow
There's often some confusion, the world archery definition of a longbow is any bow where the string does not touch the limbs at any point when strung. There's also a small restriction in how short the bow can be but I can't remember off the top of my head. Commonly many people call them American Flatbows. It certainly isn't very long though. This is obviously different to the English definition of a Longbow which includes the D shaped section and horn nocks etc. The English longbow however is not a recognised style in WA competitions, both target and field.
@@mspainthero Recognised! Like historical (IFAA forexample)
To me, the difficulty is shooting off the hand. When you add a shelf you gain much more shot consistency as in AFB. There's another traditional bow with no shelf called the English flat bow, reminds me of the Holmegaard bow, quite stunning.
Archery at its best just the bow and shooter no sights or modern crap on the bows.
60cm Target faces?
I think so, Verano,
I've watched a couple more clips and they look more like 40cm.
40cm
target face f40 cm
"Longbows"
They're still longbows, they're just not English longbows.
A true longbow competition would not just be about accuracy, since the longbow is not a rifle equivalent (arguably the crossbow is) but a mass barrage weapon. The rules should factor is how many arrows you can loose and the depth of penetration
OK, petition World Archery then and maybe they'll change the rules. Until then, how about finding a sport that you yourself enjoy, instead of hiding behind your keyboard bashing others?
They are using flatbows not longbows.... get it right!
Andy Brown yes correct. Little easier than traditional bow. I have a flat bow but want to advance to traditional as my uncle is England’s number 1. They shoot differently for sure bow types in the realise
Lastimoso ver a alguien tirar Apache con un LongBow.
Eso no es tiro instintivo.
Sorry to see someone throw Apache with a LongBow.
That is not instinctive shooting.
How did Smuck even get there?
Took the train in I heard
From what I've heard of Calvin he's a really good shot and has won some bigger tournies in the States. I actually had pretty high expectations for him before watching this. I think it was pretty obvious he was struggling hard after that first round. Everyone has their bad days
A longbow competition.....indoors? Am I the only one who finds something wrong with this?
Apart from simple arithmetic, these commentators are bringing nothing to the party.
Longbow mens gold...really ? more like Barebow (recurve).
Longbow has no shelf so the Archers Paradox comes into play and in England they shoot at 70m outside on a 120cm full target face (1 - 10 and 10+).
Barebow/Recurve @ 50m.
Compound @ 70m.
I think you got it mixed up! I don't know what distance they shoot longbows in England is but I doubt those bow can be consistent at 70 meters. Barebow shoot at 50 meters, modern recurve at 70 meters and compound actuall just shoot at 50 meters!
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