I can't tell you how many times I've watched your videos. Some of your footage is absolutely incredible. And a story lines are so informative in for a train modeler the best videos out there in my opinion for older equipment. Absolutely love watching these. Your hard work is greatly appreciated. Thank you
Thank you so much, Chris! That really does mean a lot to us. We put the maximum amount of effort into these projects, so it’s great to hear that you’re enjoying them. We appreciate the feedback.
You’re right about Calico Rock. It was a great place to spend the afternoon while waiting for the train. The SP power (lettered for KYLE) that you see in the video is no longer operating on the MNA. 9362 is now working for the A-OK Railroad, as far as we know. The scene at Calico Rock was captured in July of 2017. Thank you for watching the video.
I found a handful of the SP sd45 tunnel motors in a deadline at NRE in Silvis Illinois probably 15 years ago. NRE is gone now but someone is in there restoring some UP and C&nw classics. Great video😊
Of course when I saw KYLE RR in title , I knew it had some RI info/stuff. Sure enough in 1st 30 sec, I saw some excellent footage! Had to pause vid and throw in a comment! Thanks again C VIsion!!
You’re very welcome! We couldn’t resist adding in a little Rock Island content. It just wouldn’t have been right to leave it out. Thank you for watching, and for the comment.
9:21 Almena Hill, Kyle Railroad’s toughest hill for eastbound trains, and 14:20 Montrose Hill, toughest for westbound trains. Both are sustained 1% for several miles. I’ve stalled out on Almena twice, and broke a knuckle once. Been lucky enough to never stall out on Montrose
We wondered about the grades at those two locations. Thank you for filling us in! That Almena Hill looks to be quite the challenge for heavy eastbounds! Thank you for watching and commenting.
The MNA really is a cool railroad despite its generic owner. Sawtooth profile with hogbacks and some surprisingly steep grades on the north end, flat plains mixed in, and tunnels, high trestles, running through the gorges and cuts along the White River towards the south end, and always had fairly interesting power and operations. It was an interesting railroad to work for, and I’ve been over almost every inch of it. I almost miss it sometimes. It was particularly fun to run SD40-2’s and tunnel motors across. That part I do miss.
Thank you, Zach. You’re right about the MNA. It’s a fascinating piece of railroad that probably doesn’t get the coverage it deserves. We enjoyed our time exploring the railroad. Also, we do appreciate the assistance that you provided for this video. KYLE 9362 was getting tracked down, one way or another. Thanks again.
We’re grateful that you had a chance to witness those classic tunnel motors in operation. They were always a treat to see, and were our main focus while exploring the MNA and KYLE. Thank you for mentioning them.
Wonderful Tunnel motor & other EMD action Chris! Always a great thing to see those old SP’s in their old paint, but also those ex UPs & BNs over there.
The tunnel motors were developed by EMD with Southern Pacific and the D&RGW systems in mind. Both had to go to the trouble of getting their GP30, GP35 and SD45 units to not overheat and lose power on the Moffat Tunnel, Tennessee Pass and Donner Pass grades.
Seeing the SP tunnel motors unpatched is a bit strange. Were they bought immediately after the UP merger when UP purged a lot of obsolete units or auctioned off later? The ones UP kept in service were patched and run ragged. In the end they eventually gave most of them a fresh coat of paint and almost immediately auctioned them off. The Sd45's got the same treatment a few years later. Maybe the bean counters figured the cost of a repaint would bring more money at auction than just selling them ragged?
The former SP SD45T-2s seen in this video were retired by the Union Pacific in 1999. They served as CEFX lease units before finding homes on RailAmerica properties. Thank you for watching and commenting.
Our understanding is that diesels newer than first generation are affected as well. Maybe we’ll have to brush up on some literature covering that subject. Thank you for the comment.
Fantastic video with some "tunnel motors"! Are these SD40T-2/SD45T-2 still up and running, or have they been shelved for stupid "green energy"? At certain points in the video, I had certain shivers down my spine from the way the wagons were swaying…
G&W forced Kyle Railroad to sell off the SD45T-2s as they “used too much fuel”, and replaced them with Mk50-3s, which ironically are worse for fuel consumption. G&W sold them to LTEX, and leased them back to themselves for a few years before LTEX decided to scrap them. As far as I know all are scrap except the LTEX 9362, somewhere down in Oklahoma or Arkansas. Kyle Railroad still owns 2 SD40T-2s, CORP 4074 & 4075 (the red locomotives in this video)
Thank you very much! And yes, there was definitely some jointed rail rock and roll at a few points in the video. And it looks like SmokyHillsSwitcher answered your question. Thank you to him for doing that!
@@SmokyHillsSwitcher Thank you for the detailed explanation! It makes me laugh that they sold off the SD45T-2 because they consumed too much diesel and replaced them with other locomotives worse in terms of diesel consumption.....
We appreciate hearing your thoughts on our videos. And we also appreciate you sharing them in a respectful manner. Regarding our editing techniques, we find that a good percentage of the audience tunes out if videos aren’t tightly edited. If there was a way to do it both ways, we would. Our goal is to balance the scenes out. Generally, the most interesting freight cars are shown, while some of the less interesting cars are cut out. Either way, we appreciate you watching. 73, Robert!
@@CVisionProductions1 yeah I go weekly givin that I live only 1 mile from some of there tracks and about 13 to charthage MO I live near the Joplin turn local
Great video with some classic equipment. Sadly this will all be gone in a few years thanks to the rush to "green" energy. Soon every locomotive will look the same...
I can't tell you how many times I've watched your videos. Some of your footage is absolutely incredible. And a story lines are so informative in for a train modeler the best videos out there in my opinion for older equipment. Absolutely love watching these. Your hard work is greatly appreciated. Thank you
Thank you so much, Chris! That really does mean a lot to us. We put the maximum amount of effort into these projects, so it’s great to hear that you’re enjoying them. We appreciate the feedback.
Calico Rock is such a cool town to visit. I had no idea there was SP units nearby.
You’re right about Calico Rock. It was a great place to spend the afternoon while waiting for the train. The SP power (lettered for KYLE) that you see in the video is no longer operating on the MNA. 9362 is now working for the A-OK Railroad, as far as we know. The scene at Calico Rock was captured in July of 2017. Thank you for watching the video.
I found a handful of the SP sd45 tunnel motors in a deadline at NRE in Silvis Illinois probably 15 years ago. NRE is gone now but someone is in there restoring some UP and C&nw classics. Great video😊
Thank you very much, Matthew! Silvis is a neat place. The shop facilities there are impressive. We appreciate the comment.
Of course when I saw KYLE RR in title , I knew it had some RI info/stuff. Sure enough in 1st 30 sec, I saw some excellent footage! Had to pause vid and throw in a comment! Thanks again C VIsion!!
You’re very welcome! We couldn’t resist adding in a little Rock Island content. It just wouldn’t have been right to leave it out. Thank you for watching, and for the comment.
9:21 Almena Hill, Kyle Railroad’s toughest hill for eastbound trains, and 14:20 Montrose Hill, toughest for westbound trains. Both are sustained 1% for several miles. I’ve stalled out on Almena twice, and broke a knuckle once. Been lucky enough to never stall out on Montrose
We wondered about the grades at those two locations. Thank you for filling us in! That Almena Hill looks to be quite the challenge for heavy eastbounds! Thank you for watching and commenting.
This is a fantastic look at what these shortlines once were!
Thank you for the kind words. The MNA and KYLE always seemed to have something interesting going on during our visits.
To bad that G&W sold off all of the 45’s. They was very reliable on the Kyle. Thanks for the video it brought back some memories working on them
You’re welcome! Thank you for watching. Those SD45T-2 units always put on a great show. It’s quite a shame that they were purged by G&W.
The MNA really is a cool railroad despite its generic owner. Sawtooth profile with hogbacks and some surprisingly steep grades on the north end, flat plains mixed in, and tunnels, high trestles, running through the gorges and cuts along the White River towards the south end, and always had fairly interesting power and operations.
It was an interesting railroad to work for, and I’ve been over almost every inch of it. I almost miss it sometimes. It was particularly fun to run SD40-2’s and tunnel motors across. That part I do miss.
Thank you, Zach. You’re right about the MNA. It’s a fascinating piece of railroad that probably doesn’t get the coverage it deserves. We enjoyed our time exploring the railroad. Also, we do appreciate the assistance that you provided for this video. KYLE 9362 was getting tracked down, one way or another. Thanks again.
Been hoping for a release like this for years! Any plans for a DVD version?
We’re happy to finally cross this project off our list! As of right now, no plans for DVD or Blu-ray with this video. Thank you for watching.
I’ve seen the SP units on the MNA a whole lot till they traded them for C44-9s two years ago
We’re grateful that you had a chance to witness those classic tunnel motors in operation. They were always a treat to see, and were our main focus while exploring the MNA and KYLE. Thank you for mentioning them.
Incredible. Great production!
Thank you very much! We’re glad that you enjoyed it.
Wonderful Tunnel motor & other EMD action Chris!
Always a great thing to see those old SP’s in their old paint, but also those ex UPs & BNs over there.
Thank you, Alik! We figured this video would be right up your alley. Happy to hear that you enjoyed it.
6:12 I like the red locomotive. The paint scheme looks like CB&Q.
Central Oregon and Pacific SD40T-2 #4074, in the RailTex paint scheme
Yep! 4074 is a neat unit.
The tunnel motors were developed by EMD with Southern Pacific and the D&RGW systems in mind. Both had to go to the trouble of getting their GP30, GP35 and SD45 units to not overheat and lose power on the Moffat Tunnel, Tennessee Pass and Donner Pass grades.
Yes, sir! Tunnel motors were very well suited for the challenging territories found on the SP and Rio Grande. Thank you for the comment, MJ.
Awesome footage!
Thank you very much! We’re glad that you enjoyed it.
Seeing the SP tunnel motors unpatched is a bit strange. Were they bought immediately after the UP merger when UP purged a lot of obsolete units or auctioned off later? The ones UP kept in service were patched and run ragged. In the end they eventually gave most of them a fresh coat of paint and almost immediately auctioned them off. The Sd45's got the same treatment a few years later. Maybe the bean counters figured the cost of a repaint would bring more money at auction than just selling them ragged?
The former SP SD45T-2s seen in this video were retired by the Union Pacific in 1999. They served as CEFX lease units before finding homes on RailAmerica properties. Thank you for watching and commenting.
Awwww ya the railroad that goes right by my house
Awesome! Which one? MNA or KYLE?
Sorry the MNA just north of Carthage 10 miles almost to Jasper Mo
Very neat! The MNA is an interesting railroad. We’re a little surprised that they got GEs, but that’s progress.
I thought the only units impacted by EPA standard were the first generation diesels like GP7/9s and RS3s.
Our understanding is that diesels newer than first generation are affected as well. Maybe we’ll have to brush up on some literature covering that subject. Thank you for the comment.
Fantastic video with some "tunnel motors"! Are these SD40T-2/SD45T-2 still up and running, or have they been shelved for stupid "green energy"?
At certain points in the video, I had certain shivers down my spine from the way the wagons were swaying…
G&W forced Kyle Railroad to sell off the SD45T-2s as they “used too much fuel”, and replaced them with Mk50-3s, which ironically are worse for fuel consumption. G&W sold them to LTEX, and leased them back to themselves for a few years before LTEX decided to scrap them. As far as I know all are scrap except the LTEX 9362, somewhere down in Oklahoma or Arkansas. Kyle Railroad still owns 2 SD40T-2s, CORP 4074 & 4075 (the red locomotives in this video)
Thank you very much! And yes, there was definitely some jointed rail rock and roll at a few points in the video. And it looks like SmokyHillsSwitcher answered your question. Thank you to him for doing that!
@@SmokyHillsSwitcher Thank you for the detailed explanation! It makes me laugh that they sold off the SD45T-2 because they consumed too much diesel and replaced them with other locomotives worse in terms of diesel consumption.....
Wished C Vision would show the whole trains instead of all of the heavy editing. I would like to see all of the rail cars.
We appreciate hearing your thoughts on our videos. And we also appreciate you sharing them in a respectful manner. Regarding our editing techniques, we find that a good percentage of the audience tunes out if videos aren’t tightly edited. If there was a way to do it both ways, we would. Our goal is to balance the scenes out. Generally, the most interesting freight cars are shown, while some of the less interesting cars are cut out. Either way, we appreciate you watching. 73, Robert!
Sucks that G&W got their hands caught in the cookie jar with the EPA and now all these engines will be pretty much be gone within a year or so.
Yeah, we heard about that. Very unfortunate situation for their older EMDs… It was fun while it lasted. Thank you for the comment.
I live close to MNA
Awesome! They are a neat railroad. We’re glad that you have the opportunity to see them.
@@CVisionProductions1 yeah I go weekly givin that I live only 1 mile from some of there tracks and about 13 to charthage MO I live near the Joplin turn local
We’d like to see that local to Joplin someday. Cool stuff!
The channel that brought you, T H E M I L W A U K E E R O A D shows us some tunnel motors
Milwaukee Road tunnel motors would have been neat.
Great video with some classic equipment. Sadly this will all be gone in a few years thanks to the rush to "green" energy. Soon every locomotive will look the same...
Thank you!!! And yes, these locomotives are reaching the end of their service lives, unfortunately.
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Thank you very much!!! Greetings from the United States!
I really hope some more SP equipment gets saved or preserved to operational condition soon
We do too. SP had some awesome locomotives! Thank you for the comment.