I dont mean to be so offtopic but does any of you know of a tool to log back into an instagram account..? I somehow lost my password. I would love any tricks you can give me
I really like the ending credits honoring the PT staff that help make events like this happen. People like that sometimes don't get enough recognition. The pictures are a nice touch to put a face onto the people behind the scene. I hope this tradition continues. A great PT all around.
I know that a lot of people aren't happy that there were so many Eldrazi decks in the top 8, but I'm pretty glad to see that Modern can get shaken up, and that recent sets have the power to do so. Also, there were three different kinds of Eldrazi decks, so it wasn't like there wasn't any type of diversity.
+Psyco Josho And also, know that people know that there are a few viable Eldrazi decks, there's going to be a lot more preparation for them. Expect to see Painter's Servant and the like in Modern sideboards.
+tristan sweeden The difference being that if you wanted to play any deck with red and blue you had twin combo in it. If you are playing a deck with colorless you are not forced to put an infinite combo on it.
+Johnathon Smithard this this right here. if lsv isn't worried yet then maybe these whiners will eventually grow a pair and figure this out as well. Also I don't know about the rest of you but I don't play pro tours and this deck just got expensive for us average joes. I doubt it is gonna take up my meta anytime soon.
+Joshua Nedler consider this, Eye is legendary, true, so you only get a discount of 2 mana... but you get a 2 mana discount on EVERYTHING, and eye doesn't have to tap. Temple taps for 2. It can be tapped by opponents' effects, and it doesn't fetch things. Turn 1 with eye: get 2 2/2 endless ones out for free. Turn 2: Play a 4 drop eldrazi and a 2 drop eldrazi. Turn 1 with temple: play a 1-2 drop. Turn 2 with temple(s): play a 4 drop eldrazi. While the deck is still very good with temples, banning eye will allow other decks to actually have a chance at combating it. If you ban temple as well, eldrazi dies. Which is OK, but a last resort. If you only ban temple, eldrazi remains a broken deck and runs tron lands instead. Also, most tron decks only run 1 eye, and it's really not essential to the deck's play. It adds consistency of finishing the game... but so do ancient stirrings and karn.
Interesting, I was rooting for the Colorless Eldrazi Deck because of it's simpler mana base but I guess not. Mimc, Temple, and Eye of Ugin are just really powerful cards in the format now, I don't believe a ban is in order just yet, but i can see it happening in the future.
Say what you will about the state of modern, it was really fun to see the usual suspects caught off guard this PT. And really, how can you not enjoy seeing cards thought of only as limited staples (Eldrazi Skyspawner, cmon!) winning at the highest level? Score one for creativity still existing in MTG, at the very least.
+Johnathon Smithard I feel that if this were, let's say, Affinity in the same spot as eldrazi. We can react by adopting cards like Stony Silence and Shatterstorm, but what are you going to SB To beat eldrazi?
+DUDY2807 It seems that might be ok to do it, but let see how decks react for a few months, the deck is going to be everywere for a while, so let see how other decks do. But yeah making undercosted eldrazi even more undercosted is kinda unfair
Dam, and I honestly thought Tron was going to be flooded this pro tour. I was dead wrong. I have to say, I'm extremely disappointed with this pro tour.
Ron Alderhoffer Yeah i totally agree with you on that. This could be just the only time we see eldrazi flooded in modern. Who knows what next pro tour people could be playing. I like to keep an open mind on modern, i dont wanna see a deck banned just because 6 out of the top 8 decks were eldrazi you know.Although if eldrazi keep dominating modern for like a year or something then i fell wizards should step in and do something, but i doubt it will last that long. Anyways this is coming from a salty jund player that is still mad they banned blodbraid elf so lol.
The thing about Eldrazi is that you can't beat it nearly as easily post-board as you can other decks (like Twin and Affinity, which have SOOO many options for hate). I would love to hear your thoughts on this. *There are four general ways I am aware of that decks use to beat other decks, and it seems like Eldrazi beats them all:* *1. Remove/counter their Eldrazi* Won't work because threat decks are better than answer decks. They will always have more Eldrazis than you have removal. Plus they get some value from simply casting them. They can cast twice as many Eldrazi's per turn as you can cast counterspells/removal, because of their ramp lands. Also, Cavern of Souls is a thing. *2. Establish bigger board presence/threat* Again wont work for obvious reasons. They come out too fast and they are just too big. By the time you cast a ~2/3 Goyf, they've got a 4/4 guy and made you exile your best card from your hand. *3. Silver bullet sideboard* Cards like Blood Moon and Ensnaring Bridge. Every Eldrazi deck has 4 Thought-Knot Seer to deal with exactly this. Most versions run Chalice of the Void so you can't cast cantrips to find your silver bullets. Bx versions will playset IoK and run 0-4 Thoughtseize. You could sideboard in Leyline of Sanctity, but relying on it to show up in your opening 7 is bad. If you aggressively mulligan to find a Leyline, you have already done their job for them. Plus depending on the colors, they might have artifact/enchantment hate in the sideboard. *4. Outrace them with a combo* See #3. The sheer speed of their creatures, plus their hand control and early Chalice, makes Eldrazi a huge combo-killer. From what I know about matches and sideboards, there seems to simply be no reliable way to beat Eldrazi, except for playing Eldrazi yourself. It is in times like these when a ban is in order. I'm not saying lay down the banhammer because the format's not diverse (although that could be an issue). I'm advocating the banhammer because I've sat down and looked at how Eldrazi is able to combat pretty much every strategy in the meta at once.
I totally agree with you guys. even if I, as Slovakian, am very glad to see Ivan in the finals, Eldrazi is really much ovepowered. But on remark to all the critics: do you remember, how Abzan dominated in Standard? But by standard our luck is the set rotating out. So i dont think Abzan will dominate the next year. Wizzards have really but duty to create some ballance to Eldrazi decks that this format would not get boring and would not lose its diversity.
I can almost say with confidence that a card from Eldrazi will be banned. This is very similar to the situation with Hulk Flash, a deck that was only legal for a single GP before it was banned. During GP Columbus when Hulk Flash was played, 3 out of 8 cards made it into the top 8. Later, 2 cards from that deck were banned
Before everyone freaks out and start screaming for the ban stick maybe it's banning cards that got us to this point in the first place. I know it's new and we're just going to have to wait and see if the meta can handle these decks. But instead of banning broken cards lets shake things up and try UNBANNING some other broken cards, Dig through time/ treasure cruise anyone?
LSV is correct, one tournament is not enough to measure a deck's strenght. And if you look close, all decks had mainboard answers...to others Eldrazi deck ( chalice, ratchet ) , this is something that i see only on hate decks, that know the state of metagame. This deck is just a try on push as far as possible a shaken Modern, without the surprise factor thing could be different...
Faron Hayes they become that, sure. it slows them down a bit. But in almost any strategy, it drops a turn too late to do anything but stop reality smasher.
Most of the comments are really poor researched. Guys, look who played the Eldrazi decks..... Team FacetoFace and channel fireball they placed 10 in the top 25. So the best Magic Players out there just played a new archetype + Ivan Floch and other close to Hall of Fame. The Pantheon try to beat them by killing them before they can astablish all their pieces. Everybody else just sat there and hat no answers to the eldrazi decks. But there are answers, really simple answers. Just watch the next GP´s They won´t bring the deck, or half of them play something against eldrazi. Its a Metashakeup. But if you see the numbers, 8% of the field played eldrazi and and like 20 members of the top teams + some other really good players.... That not a real shakeup. Thats just a phase... and maybe the eldrazi deck gets established but the rest of the field has some more answers.
A small request for future tournament videos: please avoid putting spoilers of previous games into the video title. If the video has player names in it, then just by glancing at the title (be it when searching for the VoDs or by accidentally scrolling too far down on a playlist) the result of previous matches is spoiled. I'd prefer if the titles were only "Pro Tour Oath of the Gatewatch Finals (Modern)" - the description can still contain the player names, same during the video of course, but this way just seeing the title doesn't tell who won the previous rounds. The same would be preferred for the semifinals and the quarterfinals (numbers marking whether it's the first turn or the second turn of it - since there are 2 semis and 4 quarters).
This format isn't destroyed, it's one damn tournament. The deck is very good, yes, but I'm really not sure it's format destroying. It still loses to quite a few cards, it still can be stopped. Nothing needs to be banned, people are just over-reacting.
I'm still a bit confused with the colorless mana. How does Jiachen cast Thought-knot seer at 18:16 with Eye of Ugin in play? I thought Eye of Ugin only reduced the generic mana cost and it would still need a colorless mana.
Rob Humphries My point being that having one pro tour have the top eight it had right now, means little to wizards as far as banning is concerned. I gave twin as an example of an extremely predominant archetype that could just instantly win and it took years for wizards to ban. So, I consider reactions to this pro tour overreactions. Considering I have heard the same reactions over less powerful decks.
+Colby Fong Doesn't legacy have 12 post? Either way I do not see it in legacy where turn 3 wins are possible. Not sure how much the format has changed but ironically Emrakul is the most broken of all.
+MML HELLIANN Eye doesn't need to be banned, it needs to be restricted to one copy. This way Tron can still keep it, but Eldrazi loses alot of its consistency.
+SomeCasualMagic LOL, vintage is the only format where things can get restricted. All others: legal or banned. Has been like that for easily 10 years or so.
They should never have printed those cheep Eldrazi creatures. As the mana is so fast they cheepest Eldrazi should have been 3-4 mana, maybe. Those 2 mana dorks are not good for the format.
+gubaguy I doubt wizards wants to ban the whole archtype, and in my opinion, making the deck less playable is better than destroying the deck completely
+Glowlog hey remember pod? yeah they killed that archtype by panning pod. remember twin? yeah they killed that archtype by banning twin. remember caw blade? yeah they kileld that by banning stoneforge. Hey, you know why post is banned? becuase it makes too much mana, jsut like temple and tron. fact is wizards LOVES killign archtypes, and if eye doesnt get banned then this format will become stale and stupid real fast.
+Pepito Kawabunga its not the issue with the mimic the issue atm is the super strong mana the deck can produce and people just need to realize that mimic banned would not do anything to this deck so mimic would be the 4th or 5th they would look at but its not a issue really just those lands
It's too bad that this Pro Tour turned into a broken format; now we need to wait a year for another one :( Wizards ironically banned two decks and then created even a more problematic one on accident. Now it seems that need yet another banning to make the field diverse again. I hope R&D learned a lesson here (but then again the Cruise/Dig format was recent quite recent too).
to everyone who is crying for an eye of ugin ban, let the format settle first. we just lost the most annoying, powerful deck in modern (twin) and out of nowhere a bunch of new cards created a deck that decimated everybody. Let the format settle a bit, see what decks come about that are now actually competitive. if nothing reasonable comes about, and eldrazi just becomes the only playable deck in modern, i understand banning out powerhouse cards from the deck. however, i do also encourage leaving enough of the deck to still be playable and competitive. ban reality smasher or eldrazi mimic. it would leave enough of the deck to still be powerful but take away enough to make it vulnerable. dont go crying for a ban before people have had time to adjust.
+gmw827 ---- These netdeckers aren't going to do anything but wait for someone to save them. They don't deserve to call themselves true Magic players. Zero ability to adjust and a complete defeatist mentality.
it wouldn't be the same deck if those cards were banned. it would revert back to what is essentially eldrazitron. the list i started running is BW, utilizing path to exile for processors and good removal, lingering souls for early game blocking and sometimes late game flying-swings, inquisition, thoughtsieze, relic, map, strangler, thought-knot, blight herder, o-sower, etc. still a great deck, but doesn't break the format quite as hard. like i said, i still dont want to see this deck banned out, i'd much rather like to see other decks rise above and beyond to compete. nonetheless, wizards will do what wizards will do and i guess i'll just have to adapt to whatever happens.
what no sideboard cards against this deck?! oh no what are we gonna do! step 1: play crumble to dust. step 2: name eye of ugin. step 3: laugh. and don't tell me that you can't live long enough to play that card this deck does not win every game on turn 2. infect is capable of turn 2 kills and has been for years no one is crying ban glistener elf. this deck is very similar to infect in that it struggles with consistency it beats itself sometimes. we saw this on both sides. I didn't know that magic players had turned into crybaby little girls while I was away from the game. personally I thought it was sweet to see that new cards can still make an impact in eternal formats. we haven't seen this from a new set for quite a while but I promise you all tron, delver, abzan, jund, and affinity are not just dead now I promise
+gamer7916 so your argument is that they always have a god hand and that you have absolutely no way to kill a 4/4 and or a 5/5 in your deck? sounds like you shouldn't be playing modern in the first place. ghost quarter, dismember, roast, flame slash, go for the throat, etc. will all help buy the time you need. especially when they mulligan as much as they do
Josh Marsh I wouldn't consider a eldrazi temple/eye of ugin plus 1-2 other lands and a few threats a god hand considering their decklist. I think you're underestimating how fast this deck is. Thought knot seer rips any answers you have out of your hand. Reality smasher has haste and requires you to discard to even target it. And even if you do respond to it, their whole deck is made of threats like those cards. This deck beats blue moon, a deck filled with disruption and blood moon. Also, this deck can still win without eye of ugin, especially if you're spending your 4th turn tapping out
+gamer7916 i'm not underestimating anything. i'm fully aware of what the deck is and how it functions thank you. I simply choose to come up with ideas instead of screaming "BAN" at the top of my lungs like some butt hurt little twin player. if you want to play magic play magic and stop wimpering when a good deck puts up good numbers. this deck is similar in a lot of ways to affinity and while no one card is perfectly gonna shut them down a collective STRATEGY can. I was just being sarcastic about the god hand thing but I don't like comments like "oh that won't work cuz by the time you do that they have already done this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" magic doesn't work that way. by that logic every game would be over by turn two and none of us would ever get to play a real game. by that logic we better ask wizards to ban urza lands while we are at it because wtf turn 3 karn!!!#@#!@@#
Josh Marsh WoTC has banned decks for putting up good numbers in a single tournament. Hulk Flash was such a deck, after it was reverted to its original errata, it was banned just after a single GP after 3 of the top 8 decks were hulk flash. Twin has little to do with the power level of eldrazi. In fact, from testing, eldrazi had a favorable matchup against twin. The "won't work cuz by the time you do that they have already done this" is a valid argument and does apply to magic. Wonder why control decks had such a bad matchup against red deck wins? because red deck wins win early game, long before the control deck can stabilize, which happens mid to late game.
It's funny how everyone was on about banning Eye of Ugin, when nobody even realized what adding the Tron lands would do in less than a year. I really do shudder to think of the horror that a deck of that magnitude would have wreaked on the format. I'm glad it wasn't legal long enough for anybody to see that deck into fruition. Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww..........................
of course the meta game can handle eldrazi decks. i smash my friends built eldrazi deck with my black green every time and hes spent much longer building his deck
just causel random dude 1 (you) beats random dude 2 (him) all the time doesnt mean these eldrazi decks are not OP it just means your friend is terrible at playing one or has a terrible version of it, most likely both....
That cup is so damn ugly. For a company who has built a reputation producing gorgeous artwork they sure crapped out when it came to the championship cup.
modern is dead, i believe that some unbans and bans need to come out ASAP to fix the format. eldrazi are just everywhere and the showed that they are very powerful. i believe that fair decks need to have something good to beat these decks plus eye of ugin needs to go
Unban stoneforge and Jace, see where the format goes from there. Eldrazi would have a semi unfavorable match and then you can have people complain about cawblade instead.
So many calls for bans in the comments... Take this as an opportunity to be creative and find a way to beat Eldrazi, not as an excuse to complain. Then, a couple months from now when no one has come up with an answer - you can flood comments sections with ban requests.
+Colby Fong So, lets try 8 rack. Control, cast that, nope. cavern of souls gets trumped by ghost quarters and cast an Eldrazi, how about no. Control seems to be a good match up. specially if you counter something and they cannot cast anything else. Twin was one of the few with an obvious chance though. The threat of an instant win and the Eldrazi had little in the way of dealing with it. Blue white control might make it though. Land destruction works. But what the format needs is a healthy dose of consistent combo decks. Since the eldrazi have little in the way of interaction with non interactive decks.
+Justin Harris He didn't cheat. It was an innocent mistake, he could have actually tapped correctly the mana if he knew he was making a mistake tapping the way he did. I really wanted LSV to win, but I still don't see JC as a "cheater"
+Justin Harris That's your opinion, and I have mine (no hard feelings). Though I'd say that if he had the chance to tap correctly and he just messed up it's a minor mistake. I would call it a "robbery" if JC couldn't tap correctly and just used generic mana as colorless. However, having seen the situation it appears to me as nothing but an innocent misplay. No need to argue for this though, the judges an players already decided what happened and what the resolution of the situation had to be.
I see you were not playing when Caw blade was a thing. Honestly, at least the other player does not have to deal with having every play be countered and wait helpless as your opponent just plays solo. In the finals oth had a chance, sure based on chance but at least they had plays to make.
Absolutely disgraceful as an event. This kind of complete failure is exactly wizards needs to do modern testing. Banning Eye and Temple won't even address the garbage meta game that's underneath, this has gone from a format led by 3 interactive decks (Twin, Jund, Pod), to a format that only has non-interactive aggro or combo strategies viable. Ban Mishra's Workshop and Ancient Tomb, because that's what Eye and Temple are, at the very least, unban some cards that lead to real games of magic, and maybe the format can survive this absolute shitshow.
LSV is such a great commentator. The guy loses in the semifinals and goes to commentate five seconds later
+Brandon Zadzilka I was rooting for him to win so bad. After he was out I rooted for Floch cuz he is also a badass.
same here. I was still okay with the winning deck though, it went a step further than the colorless decks and it played ridiculous three drops lol
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I bet Ivan thought, "man I should have played that azorious control deck."
I really like the ending credits honoring the PT staff that help make events like this happen. People like that sometimes don't get enough recognition. The pictures are a nice touch to put a face onto the people behind the scene. I hope this tradition continues. A great PT all around.
"He'd have to get through 15 top 8's... that's like getting paired against Jon Finkel once."
I know that a lot of people aren't happy that there were so many Eldrazi decks in the top 8, but I'm pretty glad to see that Modern can get shaken up, and that recent sets have the power to do so.
Also, there were three different kinds of Eldrazi decks, so it wasn't like there wasn't any type of diversity.
+Psyco Josho And also, know that people know that there are a few viable Eldrazi decks, there's going to be a lot more preparation for them. Expect to see Painter's Servant and the like in Modern sideboards.
twin had multiple colours, ur, urw, rug, grixes, extra
+tristan sweeden Twin is where it belongs...dead lol
Lol, definitely dead, but there being different "versions" of this deck doesn't mean it is safe from the ban hammer.
+tristan sweeden
The difference being that if you wanted to play any deck with red and blue you had twin combo in it. If you are playing a deck with colorless you are not forced to put an infinite combo on it.
26:32 - Most important commentary
Absolutely fucking right
+Johnathon Smithard this this right here. if lsv isn't worried yet then maybe these whiners will eventually grow a pair and figure this out as well. Also I don't know about the rest of you but I don't play pro tours and this deck just got expensive for us average joes. I doubt it is gonna take up my meta anytime soon.
+Josh Marsh It's worse for those of us who bought half the deck pre Oath, and waited on Eye of Ugin to go down from 20 bucks.
...it's now 44.
+Johnathon Smithard I thought that was at around minute 21 "It is correct to name Eldrazi and Ape... ...He named Ape"
+Johnathon Smithard It's true. Though they did ban TC shortly after it came out. So if WOTC were to keep their ban pattern consistent...
Marshall to LSV: "I never get mad at you." Their bromance is so cute.
Please bring back live magic! I miss these so much.
Opponent looks at JC Tao: "Is this your modern deck or your draft deck?"
What a surprise, a pro tour I can watch, be entertained, and understand whats going on! All it took was pissing off every modern player! YAAAY!
Love that deck. It's almost entirely new cards. Brilliant. Simple.
"In the interest of competitive diversity, ______________ is banned from Modern"
+Dakova L Eye of Ugin is the card to ban.
+Rhodner1 no the eldrazi temple needs to be banned not eye, if you ban eye you pretty much kill tron
There is no restricted cards in Modern.
+Joshua Nedler consider this, Eye is legendary, true, so you only get a discount of 2 mana... but you get a 2 mana discount on EVERYTHING, and eye doesn't have to tap. Temple taps for 2. It can be tapped by opponents' effects, and it doesn't fetch things. Turn 1 with eye: get 2 2/2 endless ones out for free. Turn 2: Play a 4 drop eldrazi and a 2 drop eldrazi. Turn 1 with temple: play a 1-2 drop. Turn 2 with temple(s): play a 4 drop eldrazi. While the deck is still very good with temples, banning eye will allow other decks to actually have a chance at combating it. If you ban temple as well, eldrazi dies. Which is OK, but a last resort. If you only ban temple, eldrazi remains a broken deck and runs tron lands instead. Also, most tron decks only run 1 eye, and it's really not essential to the deck's play. It adds consistency of finishing the game... but so do ancient stirrings and karn.
+Joshua Nedler you don't kill tron, you just make tron need to actually draw their wincons like everyone else instead of being able to tutor it up.
twin banned for diverse metagame...TOP 8, eldrazis deck 6 XD, god job wizard, sold out box oath of the gatewatch
The real reasons they support this deck
Colby Fong They really supported the eye of ugin
"With great power comes some amount of drawbacks"
- Luis Scott-Vargas 2016
sweet standard tournament
I did not know Eye of Ugin was standard playable.
Also missed some of the more promenient stabdard decks.
It was sarcastic, more as a comparison to siegerhino go.
tristan sweeden
I know, I was being sarcastic too.
+ODDnanref well played sir
+tristan sweeden best finals ever!
I feel sead from watching thes Pro tour all the way, and you know how bad it is when something you love makes you feel sead.
ProTour Colorless was great...
/sarcasm
+MrSaxophone18 Especially since Ivan Floch was there
/seriousness
It may been a while since I saw a pro tour video but did LSVs skin always look like that? Did something happen? That is not how I remember it.
Interesting, I was rooting for the Colorless Eldrazi Deck because of it's simpler mana base but I guess not.
Mimc, Temple, and Eye of Ugin are just really powerful cards in the format now, I don't believe a ban is in order just yet, but i can see it happening in the future.
Say what you will about the state of modern, it was really fun to see the usual suspects caught off guard this PT.
And really, how can you not enjoy seeing cards thought of only as limited staples (Eldrazi Skyspawner, cmon!) winning at the highest level? Score one for creativity still existing in MTG, at the very least.
Wizards Of The Coast, please, Bann Eye of Ugin !!
+DUDY2807 26:32 - Not necessary yet. Take LSV's anecdote, and give it a few months and see if it's still unbeatable.
+Johnathon Smithard I feel that if this were, let's say, Affinity in the same spot as eldrazi. We can react by adopting cards like Stony Silence and Shatterstorm, but what are you going to SB To beat eldrazi?
Why ban it? Because its too expensive?
+DUDY2807 It seems that might be ok to do it, but let see how decks react for a few months, the deck is going to be everywere for a while, so let see how other decks do. But yeah making undercosted eldrazi even more undercosted is kinda unfair
True it cast 5 creatures on turn one not fair
im building a modern deck, want it to be fun and not crazy expensive any ideas??
LSV looks sad.. I was hoping he would win this one :(
how do they play the creatures that require wastes? aka reality smasher, thought knot seer, matter reshaper. does eldrazi temple tap for wastes?
Wastes tap for colorless mana. Temple and Eye both tap for colorless mana
The shimmer in Ivan's sleeves is why I live.
i quite mtg should i get back in to it?
Dam, and I honestly thought Tron was going to be flooded this pro tour. I was dead wrong. I have to say, I'm extremely disappointed with this pro tour.
+Richie Torres same
+Richie Torres i'd give it a couple GPs, and then see what's up, though i think it's breaking the format way more than twin was
+Richie Torres Eldrazi's didn't flood the pro tour, they only made 8% of it. The pros just cracked the format and got rewarded, that's all
Ron Alderhoffer Yeah i totally agree with you on that. This could be just the only time we see eldrazi flooded in modern. Who knows what next pro tour people could be playing. I like to keep an open mind on modern, i dont wanna see a deck banned just because 6 out of the top 8 decks were eldrazi you know.Although if eldrazi keep dominating modern for like a year or something then i fell wizards should step in and do something, but i doubt it will last that long. Anyways this is coming from a salty jund player that is still mad they banned blodbraid elf so lol.
profnote Not what I heard. They made up about 50 percent of the format. The top 3 most played decks were eldrazi, infect, and affinity.
Comment section in a nutshell, "Everyone hates decks that are doing good in tournaments". -.-
Do both players get to use there side board cards in game 2 or just the guy who lost?Or...well lol how does it work?
+Max Pheby they both get to sideboard after each game
The thing about Eldrazi is that you can't beat it nearly as easily post-board as you can other decks (like Twin and Affinity, which have SOOO many options for hate). I would love to hear your thoughts on this. *There are four general ways I am aware of that decks use to beat other decks, and it seems like Eldrazi beats them all:*
*1. Remove/counter their Eldrazi*
Won't work because threat decks are better than answer decks. They will always have more Eldrazis than you have removal. Plus they get some value from simply casting them. They can cast twice as many Eldrazi's per turn as you can cast counterspells/removal, because of their ramp lands. Also, Cavern of Souls is a thing.
*2. Establish bigger board presence/threat*
Again wont work for obvious reasons. They come out too fast and they are just too big. By the time you cast a ~2/3 Goyf, they've got a 4/4 guy and made you exile your best card from your hand.
*3. Silver bullet sideboard*
Cards like Blood Moon and Ensnaring Bridge. Every Eldrazi deck has 4 Thought-Knot Seer to deal with exactly this. Most versions run Chalice of the Void so you can't cast cantrips to find your silver bullets. Bx versions will playset IoK and run 0-4 Thoughtseize. You could sideboard in Leyline of Sanctity, but relying on it to show up in your opening 7 is bad. If you aggressively mulligan to find a Leyline, you have already done their job for them. Plus depending on the colors, they might have artifact/enchantment hate in the sideboard.
*4. Outrace them with a combo*
See #3. The sheer speed of their creatures, plus their hand control and early Chalice, makes Eldrazi a huge combo-killer.
From what I know about matches and sideboards, there seems to simply be no reliable way to beat Eldrazi, except for playing Eldrazi yourself. It is in times like these when a ban is in order. I'm not saying lay down the banhammer because the format's not diverse (although that could be an issue). I'm advocating the banhammer because I've sat down and looked at how Eldrazi is able to combat pretty much every strategy in the meta at once.
I totally agree with you guys. even if I, as Slovakian, am very glad to see Ivan in the finals, Eldrazi is really much ovepowered. But on remark to all the critics: do you remember, how Abzan dominated in Standard? But by standard our luck is the set rotating out. So i dont think Abzan will dominate the next year. Wizzards have really but duty to create some ballance to Eldrazi decks that this format would not get boring and would not lose its diversity.
great game
I can almost say with confidence that a card from Eldrazi will be banned. This is very similar to the situation with Hulk Flash, a deck that was only legal for a single GP before it was banned. During GP Columbus when Hulk Flash was played, 3 out of 8 cards made it into the top 8. Later, 2 cards from that deck were banned
Holy Moley!
why do they keep shuffling their hand over and over while they are waiting? I've noticed all the players do this.
Before everyone freaks out and start screaming for the ban stick maybe it's banning cards that got us to this point in the first place. I know it's new and we're just going to have to wait and see if the meta can handle these decks. But instead of banning broken cards lets shake things up and try UNBANNING some other broken cards, Dig through time/ treasure cruise anyone?
WOW Vargus is pissed to be there haha!
side profile of LSV kind of looks like Gaddock Teeg
LSV is correct, one tournament is not enough to measure a deck's strenght.
And if you look close, all decks had mainboard answers...to others Eldrazi deck ( chalice, ratchet ) , this is something
that i see only on hate decks, that know the state of metagame.
This deck is just a try on push as far as possible a shaken Modern, without the surprise factor thing could be different...
Invest in Blood Moons. The strength of the Eldrazi is also their weakness.
+Faron Hayes - The deck don't care about blood moon.
+ModernMinded because Eye of Ugin and Eldrazi Temple are both basic lands.
Faron Hayes they become that, sure. it slows them down a bit.
But in almost any strategy, it drops a turn too late to do anything but stop reality smasher.
What deck are you playing to back up that blood moon
I still have my old Blue Moon deck
turns our oath of the gate watch was modern masters 3
Marshall missed the chance to say he 'Ivan'ed it up with his 'floch' of eldrazi at the end of g2
I got a Eldrarzi token
Peak mtg commentry
Ivan's watch is nice af
How much $ did these pros get to play eldrazi decks in modern lol
I wish the Phyrexians would fight the Eldrazi! This is the future WOTC!
I feel like blue moon would be amazing in modern at this time.
You mean blood moon?
BarneyBubbs blue moon is a UR deck with blood moon
Eldrazi what a surprise...
I have done research and tested a lot but in modern elves is one of the most consistent and strong decks against eldrasi note that it's weak to tron
When colorless standard cards are dominating Modern Pro Tours, it is time to reconsider the ban list.
that blue red deck is explosive as shit!!!
God LSV looks so upset in the booth and I completely understand, but fuck it sucks to see my favorite players upset.
Man how i wish eldrazi was still viable
Most of the comments are really poor researched. Guys, look who played the Eldrazi decks..... Team FacetoFace and channel fireball they placed 10 in the top 25. So the best Magic Players out there just played a new archetype + Ivan Floch and other close to Hall of Fame. The Pantheon try to beat them by killing them before they can astablish all their pieces. Everybody else just sat there and hat no answers to the eldrazi decks. But there are answers, really simple answers. Just watch the next GP´s They won´t bring the deck, or half of them play something against eldrazi.
Its a Metashakeup. But if you see the numbers, 8% of the field played eldrazi and and like 20 members of the top teams + some other really good players.... That not a real shakeup. Thats just a phase... and maybe the eldrazi deck gets established but the rest of the field has some more answers.
Eldrazi winter monkaS
Wouldn't Hedron Blade help a ton against Eldrazi?
Just as a sideboard card. Eldrazi are becoming pretty big now and that might do some good stuff.
floch noooo
Ikr
+DINKL8ERG Floch is my favorite player
And fucking watch more than the final 8, some many beat the eldrazi decks. even "blue is dead" blue moon pew pew
A small request for future tournament videos: please avoid putting spoilers of previous games into the video title. If the video has player names in it, then just by glancing at the title (be it when searching for the VoDs or by accidentally scrolling too far down on a playlist) the result of previous matches is spoiled.
I'd prefer if the titles were only "Pro Tour Oath of the Gatewatch Finals (Modern)" - the description can still contain the player names, same during the video of course, but this way just seeing the title doesn't tell who won the previous rounds. The same would be preferred for the semifinals and the quarterfinals (numbers marking whether it's the first turn or the second turn of it - since there are 2 semis and 4 quarters).
who else remembers the good old days with Ivan in Soviet Russia, When He bake potato for our nanushki so we have a food on table.
This format isn't destroyed, it's one damn tournament. The deck is very good, yes, but I'm really not sure it's format destroying. It still loses to quite a few cards, it still can be stopped. Nothing needs to be banned, people are just over-reacting.
The commentators were talking about how there needs to be a few more gps to decide what/is to ban
I'm still a bit confused with the colorless mana. How does Jiachen cast Thought-knot seer at 18:16 with Eye of Ugin in play? I thought Eye of Ugin only reduced the generic mana cost and it would still need a colorless mana.
wizards, why are you fucking up so much this weekend
And this is how you destroy a format in order to make a profit.
Modern has always been a destroyed format.
GJ WIZARDS, you done fucked up. Emergency ban eye of ugin,, bring back twin, and make modern fun again!
+Rob Humphries why so everyone can play twin again instead of eldrazi?
I never saw twin get 6 decks in a top 8
+Rob Humphries
Even when Modern started as format. Even when the finals were twin vs twin and whoever got the combo first won?
If it were that much of an issue they would have banned twin years ago...
Rob Humphries
My point being that having one pro tour have the top eight it had right now, means little to wizards as far as banning is concerned. I gave twin as an example of an extremely predominant archetype that could just instantly win and it took years for wizards to ban. So, I consider reactions to this pro tour overreactions. Considering I have heard the same reactions over less powerful decks.
Prepare for only eldrazi and affinity decks for the next few months/years.
Going to legacy hopefully they won't follow if they do I will be forced to play budget standard eww
+Colby Fong
Doesn't legacy have 12 post?
Either way I do not see it in legacy where turn 3 wins are possible. Not sure how much the format has changed but ironically Emrakul is the most broken of all.
+ODDnanref affinity is played in legacy and this essentially a better version
+ODDnanref Legacy has ways of dealing with 12 post style decks. Modern doesn't.
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My point being that 12 post is similar to the Eldrazi decks. And is better ramp IMO, but not sure, don't play much legacy.
ban eye of ugin
Exactly that's like giving affinity a free 2/1 and a great top end ridiculous
+MML HELLIANN Eye doesn't need to be banned, it needs to be restricted to one copy. This way Tron can still keep it, but Eldrazi loses alot of its consistency.
+SomeCasualMagic you cant restrict in modern onl;y ban
yan thériault
Never heard this before. Where did Wizards say this at?
+SomeCasualMagic LOL, vintage is the only format where things can get restricted. All others: legal or banned. Has been like that for easily 10 years or so.
They should never have printed those cheep Eldrazi creatures. As the mana is so fast they cheepest Eldrazi should have been 3-4 mana, maybe. Those 2 mana dorks are not good for the format.
Ban eldrazi mimic, its the literal backbone of the stratedy (apart from the overpowered lands of course :/)
+Glowlog or ban the actual problem, eye of ugin.
+gubaguy I doubt wizards wants to ban the whole archtype, and in my opinion, making the deck less playable is better than destroying the deck completely
Or ban the actual real problem, Eldrazi Temple. Temple keeps them on the acceleration, while Eye still keeps Tron alive.
+Glowlog hey remember pod? yeah they killed that archtype by panning pod. remember twin? yeah they killed that archtype by banning twin. remember caw blade? yeah they kileld that by banning stoneforge. Hey, you know why post is banned? becuase it makes too much mana, jsut like temple and tron. fact is wizards LOVES killign archtypes, and if eye doesnt get banned then this format will become stale and stupid real fast.
+Pepito Kawabunga its not the issue with the mimic the issue atm is the super strong mana the deck can produce and people just need to realize that mimic banned would not do anything to this deck so mimic would be the 4th or 5th they would look at but its not a issue really just those lands
The "Eldrazilion clique."help him won the game. congrats!!!!
Title misleading; looks like standard.
It's too bad that this Pro Tour turned into a broken format; now we need to wait a year for another one :(
Wizards ironically banned two decks and then created even a more problematic one on accident. Now it seems that need yet another banning to make the field diverse again. I hope R&D learned a lesson here (but then again the Cruise/Dig format was recent quite recent too).
to everyone who is crying for an eye of ugin ban, let the format settle first. we just lost the most annoying, powerful deck in modern (twin) and out of nowhere a bunch of new cards created a deck that decimated everybody. Let the format settle a bit, see what decks come about that are now actually competitive. if nothing reasonable comes about, and eldrazi just becomes the only playable deck in modern, i understand banning out powerhouse cards from the deck. however, i do also encourage leaving enough of the deck to still be playable and competitive. ban reality smasher or eldrazi mimic. it would leave enough of the deck to still be powerful but take away enough to make it vulnerable. dont go crying for a ban before people have had time to adjust.
+gmw827 ---- These netdeckers aren't going to do anything but wait for someone to save them. They don't deserve to call themselves true Magic players. Zero ability to adjust and a complete defeatist mentality.
Nobody would play the deck without those two cards
it wouldn't be the same deck if those cards were banned. it would revert back to what is essentially eldrazitron. the list i started running is BW, utilizing path to exile for processors and good removal, lingering souls for early game blocking and sometimes late game flying-swings, inquisition, thoughtsieze, relic, map, strangler, thought-knot, blight herder, o-sower, etc. still a great deck, but doesn't break the format quite as hard. like i said, i still dont want to see this deck banned out, i'd much rather like to see other decks rise above and beyond to compete. nonetheless, wizards will do what wizards will do and i guess i'll just have to adapt to whatever happens.
+gmw827 i dont think twin was annoying or bad. but i do think smasher or mimics are the best ban.
what no sideboard cards against this deck?! oh no what are we gonna do! step 1: play crumble to dust. step 2: name eye of ugin. step 3: laugh. and don't tell me that you can't live long enough to play that card this deck does not win every game on turn 2. infect is capable of turn 2 kills and has been for years no one is crying ban glistener elf. this deck is very similar to infect in that it struggles with consistency it beats itself sometimes. we saw this on both sides. I didn't know that magic players had turned into crybaby little girls while I was away from the game. personally I thought it was sweet to see that new cards can still make an impact in eternal formats. we haven't seen this from a new set for quite a while but I promise you all tron, delver, abzan, jund, and affinity are not just dead now I promise
+Josh Marsh when you cast crumble to dust, they already have a thought knot seer and a reality smasher on board.
+gamer7916 so your argument is that they always have a god hand and that you have absolutely no way to kill a 4/4 and or a 5/5 in your deck? sounds like you shouldn't be playing modern in the first place. ghost quarter, dismember, roast, flame slash, go for the throat, etc. will all help buy the time you need. especially when they mulligan as much as they do
Josh Marsh I wouldn't consider a eldrazi temple/eye of ugin plus 1-2 other lands and a few threats a god hand considering their decklist. I think you're underestimating how fast this deck is. Thought knot seer rips any answers you have out of your hand. Reality smasher has haste and requires you to discard to even target it. And even if you do respond to it, their whole deck is made of threats like those cards. This deck beats blue moon, a deck filled with disruption and blood moon. Also, this deck can still win without eye of ugin, especially if you're spending your 4th turn tapping out
+gamer7916 i'm not underestimating anything. i'm fully aware of what the deck is and how it functions thank you. I simply choose to come up with ideas instead of screaming "BAN" at the top of my lungs like some butt hurt little twin player. if you want to play magic play magic and stop wimpering when a good deck puts up good numbers. this deck is similar in a lot of ways to affinity and while no one card is perfectly gonna shut them down a collective STRATEGY can. I was just being sarcastic about the god hand thing but I don't like comments like "oh that won't work cuz by the time you do that they have already done this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" magic doesn't work that way. by that logic every game would be over by turn two and none of us would ever get to play a real game. by that logic we better ask wizards to ban urza lands while we are at it because wtf turn 3 karn!!!#@#!@@#
Josh Marsh WoTC has banned decks for putting up good numbers in a single tournament. Hulk Flash was such a deck, after it was reverted to its original errata, it was banned just after a single GP after 3 of the top 8 decks were hulk flash. Twin has little to do with the power level of eldrazi. In fact, from testing, eldrazi had a favorable matchup against twin. The "won't work cuz by the time you do that they have already done this" is a valid argument and does apply to magic. Wonder why control decks had such a bad matchup against red deck wins? because red deck wins win early game, long before the control deck can stabilize, which happens mid to late game.
It's funny how everyone was on about banning Eye of Ugin, when nobody even realized what adding the Tron lands would do in less than a year. I really do shudder to think of the horror that a deck of that magnitude would have wreaked on the format. I'm glad it wasn't legal long enough for anybody to see that deck into fruition. Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww..........................
broken cards
Whos is in 2023? da like!
of course the meta game can handle eldrazi decks. i smash my friends built eldrazi deck with my black green every time and hes spent much longer building his deck
just causel random dude 1 (you) beats random dude 2 (him) all the time doesnt mean these eldrazi decks are not OP it just means your friend is terrible at playing one or has a terrible version of it, most likely both....
First comment, that was a great vid
Lol Gg get rekt by mi:D
I really hate f*cking Eldrazi control xD it's so broken... Twin I miss you so much T.T
That cup is so damn ugly. For a company who has built a reputation producing gorgeous artwork they sure crapped out when it came to the championship cup.
modern is dead, i believe that some unbans and bans need to come out ASAP to fix the format. eldrazi are just everywhere and the showed that they are very powerful. i believe that fair decks need to have something good to beat these decks plus eye of ugin needs to go
Unban stoneforge and Jace, see where the format goes from there. Eldrazi would have a semi unfavorable match and then you can have people complain about cawblade instead.
worst PT ever, modern destroyed
+MIKYF9 Not really
+MIKYF9 No pro tour is bad pro tour when Ivan Floch top 8s
So many calls for bans in the comments... Take this as an opportunity to be creative and find a way to beat Eldrazi, not as an excuse to complain. Then, a couple months from now when no one has come up with an answer - you can flood comments sections with ban requests.
Make som e suggestions to beat it they all suck
Colby Fong Deck has been exposed to the community for, what, a week tops? And you are already giving up? Net-deckers, net-deckers everywhere.
+Colby Fong
So, lets try 8 rack. Control, cast that, nope. cavern of souls gets trumped by ghost quarters and cast an Eldrazi, how about no. Control seems to be a good match up. specially if you counter something and they cannot cast anything else.
Twin was one of the few with an obvious chance though. The threat of an instant win and the Eldrazi had little in the way of dealing with it.
Blue white control might make it though. Land destruction works. But what the format needs is a healthy dose of consistent combo decks. Since the eldrazi have little in the way of interaction with non interactive decks.
Jc=cheater robbed lsv in smifinals
He looks so cocky
Yea he did
+Justin Harris He didn't cheat. It was an innocent mistake, he could have actually tapped correctly the mana if he knew he was making a mistake tapping the way he did. I really wanted LSV to win, but I still don't see JC as a "cheater"
+Ch4p4ch4 it looked like it to me that all, good player but that was bull shit lsv got robbed plain and simple
+Justin Harris That's your opinion, and I have mine (no hard feelings). Though I'd say that if he had the chance to tap correctly and he just messed up it's a minor mistake. I would call it a "robbery" if JC couldn't tap correctly and just used generic mana as colorless. However, having seen the situation it appears to me as nothing but an innocent misplay.
No need to argue for this though, the judges an players already decided what happened and what the resolution of the situation had to be.
now people can stop ignoring eldrazis and invest them for decks for competitive play.
the worst pro tour ever.....
Agree
I see you were not playing when Caw blade was a thing. Honestly, at least the other player does not have to deal with having every play be countered and wait helpless as your opponent just plays solo. In the finals oth had a chance, sure based on chance but at least they had plays to make.
+ODDnanref true
Are you guys speaking English?... I mean this is Nerd Central when you have no idea what the hell these commentators are saying.
Terrible game design. Might as well sell my cards before they loose all value..
That was so boring.... These last two sets were horrible for the game and the bannings are partly to blame for this.
J D twin would not have a chance against this field
Absolutely disgraceful as an event. This kind of complete failure is exactly wizards needs to do modern testing. Banning Eye and Temple won't even address the garbage meta game that's underneath, this has gone from a format led by 3 interactive decks (Twin, Jund, Pod), to a format that only has non-interactive aggro or combo strategies viable. Ban Mishra's Workshop and Ancient Tomb, because that's what Eye and Temple are, at the very least, unban some cards that lead to real games of magic, and maybe the format can survive this absolute shitshow.
Ruin modern to sell some packs. Thanks wizards.