First time commenting, tank is genuinely the most miserable role to play nowadays, you either get countered and yelled at, or get killed once and still get yelled at. This game is kinda terrible atp.
Exactly, people expect tank to do everything it did in 6v6. Tank is the most nitpicked role in the game and feels like the default excuse for why a team is doing bad. There have been games where I have less than 10 deaths and I'm getting flamed by DPS that have 15 and 16.
Tank is supposed to do everything and support my fucking team with their big hp and fat body… if they don’t im saying gg and throwing and i dont feel bad because its all about me ( im an angry dps player).
As a support player I either feel bad for my tank because I don’t know what more they can do on that horrific role, or I’m like “ffs, we Insta lose because of the one hero my tank is forcing”. It’s an unhealthy role in its current state, just not how support is unhealthy
Honestly the most annoying part is how much the dev team and blizzard try to AVOID discussing 6v6 when it’s def the answer id rather them just say no then say nothing
I would imagine that they don’t want to say _“No”_ to 6v6 so all the old Overwatch players just give up on it and leave Overwatch 2 for good, which is basically a backfiring they don’t want to happen so they just say nothing instead, and as you said, they *try to avoid* the 6v6 solution ALTHOUGH… They also can’t actually say “nothing” without it backfiring eventually, it is already happening, they just don’t realise it, but when they do it’s gonna be too late because 6v6 really is the only GOOD solution to the many problems 5v5 presents. *Granted.* the only _“issue”_ with 6v6 though, was the queue times….
Legit, I would have respect for them to own up to their mistake and just bring back 6v6. Rebrand it as OW Classic. I don't give two fucks. Just get the second tank back.
@@nothingreallyrhymeswithora9377I don't know why they wouldn't even just add 6v6 as a side mode unless they're worried adding 6v6 as a side mode would totally drain the player count for 5v5.
@@Deusaga that patch made me stop coping, I finally realized that rein sucks and that won't change just because I can make it work😢 This rein reminds me of s1 to S2 tank.
What BLOWS MY MIND is this has been an ongoing issue since seasons 2 of overwatch 2. We are almost 10 seasons in and THERE ARE STILL PPL DEFENDING 5v5 😂😂😂😂. I have 5 accounts ranging from GM to gold. The amount of times I’ll get some braindead teammate at all skill levels who say “tank is the most impactful role/ most OP role you have high health” makes me wanna jump off my balcony. Literally any game I start doing “too well” I just get counter swapped to high hell and my team has glue eaters on it and they don’t ever swap. People wonder why OW “toxicity and negativity” are a problem and the easiest answer is players get carried to ranks they don’t deserve or just look at the scoreboard the entire game and think they are playing well. The amount of times I’ve seen some play mercy into a bad mercy comp or when she’s garbage like rn, pocket the tank and finish with like 15k healing and think she was “carrying”. Same logic can be applied to dps players, the ppl who play bastion or reaper and just play “where’s the tank” the whole game and inflate the hell outta there stats and flame you for being the “bad player”. Tank is the role you get absolutely fucked over the most in the game and get next to no reward or recognition from anyone except the other tank player. 5v5 ruined OW and if you don’t believe so your an entitled DPS player or your just delusional 😂
@@EmmaxoOCE that’s one of the biggest issues plaguing gaming rn. Devs update and change things based off statistics or twitter feedback and it makes the game worse like 90% of the time 🤣
Man you should see the forums. 50% or more of people on the forums not only defend 5 v 5, but they think people wanting 6 v 6 are delusional and wearing 'rose tinted glasses'. They just gaslight everyone into their own delusions. When Jake, a 5 v 5 Blizzard shill hosts a poll that comes up with 49% people wanting 6 v 6, that says something. He can't even convince his audience.
I’m a support main and had a game where our hog was 25-3, whilst our dps were mercy pocketed on bastion and torb going 6-5 and 8-7. They would stand in the open to their widow and blame our tank, but he was getting the most picks on our team. I had to defend hog bc there was no way ur mercy pocketed playing 2 of the most powerful dps and blaming ur tank. Ik there are bad tanks but some dps players are really delusional💀💀
Hah I has a similar situation when I was playing tank, had 20 elims about 6 deaths. 1 DPS (genji) had 15 elims 10 deaths. But the Junkrat had 4 elims 15 deaths and of course, it was the Junkrat typing 'tank diff', 'my tank sucks' etc.. Of course, we had a Genji and Junkrat playing into echo Mercy and they didn't swap off once all game. This game going FTP was the worst decision they made. The number of delusional manchilds playing this game now is exponentially greater than all of OW1.
@@cagxplays9602 Everyone can be delusional. IMO it's pretty even with DPS/Support. You see less from the tanks simply because there's only 1 tank, statistically makes it less likely to see. From supports tho it's mostly Mercy/Moira mains that are delusional and don't know their heroes have no good utility.
As a dva main on tank it’s so damm annoying when the opponent swaps to Zarya because then I have to swap to rein and then the Zarya swaps to mauga then I play Orisa like it just a never ending cycle for counter swapping
@@mylegguy8115well sometimes dva can work into mauga but most of the time he will burn you alive also you can fly away from the Zarya to not get beam damage at you
Tank used to be so fun in ow1 now I wanna stop aliving myself every time they swap to my counter and go Ana/Zen and get discorded every time they see me
Getting discorded as a tank is one of the worst things cause it’s either stand in the open and get depleted or hide and keep letting them advance why you just do absolutely nothing
If you play correctly you're not gonna get affected by any of your counters, if the entire enemy team is swapping to brawl/dive to counter your sigma in circuit royale they will lose if u play well since the map favours poke Just learn 1 tank of every role and play them on suitable maps, sig on circuit, ram/rein on kings row, etc and you WILL climb no matter what they play or counterswap to. You WILL lose if you force brawl characters like rein,mauga on maps like gibralter, tank is the only role which demands flexibility if you're not a GOD otp which most of us aren't
@@averagemoney1291 ik that but im just saying to get my voice across but I agree with you since theres more porn of this game than the actual content of it lol
Genuinely the hardest part about being a tank main isnt that you get counterpicked constantly, get bullied by the enemy team the whole game, or the fact that its genuinely the most miserable experience in the game, its the fact that no one respects you for doing it. Not even your teammates.
@@huneylove5 Not having the right supports makes everything 10 times harder. Your team expects you to counter their tank so why shouldn't the tank do the same? It is nearly like we used to have a format that allowed people to play what they wanted. Too bad the devs are incompetent and couldn't do basic balancing and updates.
@@huneylove5The problem is that Tanks are *always* expected to swap the nanosecond the enemy team has even the slightest comp advantage. But support *refuse* to swap no matter how much you ask. They scoff at you like: “how dare you even suggest I swap, you should be lucky I’m healing you” even when they are getting hard countered and dove. Like a brig who plays like she’s rein and tries to brawl the enemy tank and dies every fight. Or the Lifeweaver who is a country mile away from your team and gets dove by tracer, genji, Ball. Or the zen who overextends and gets picked constantly
Worst part is, in issue #2, you talk about how either you swap to dive and your team gets ate out, or your dps counter pick the dive, the game is just fundamentally flawed because either you feel miserable or your other teams tank feels miserable
In your issue #2, where the enemy Ball is just diving the Ana and you need to peel for her, it's true that she could have gone Brig and/or your DPS could go Mcree/Sombra to help the backline. The problem is if your team does that, then the Ball player is going to run into your issue #1 (Counter-swapping), where he can't play because the game forces his opponents to counter him on the skill floor. Buffing tanks also doesn't help because if the tank doesn't lose to their organic counters, they become do-it-alls (as Samito puts it), since they become flavour of the month top tiers until the next patch. No matter what happens, 5v5 cannot create organic, fun gameplay because you're stuck in this cycle of feast or famine; the tank hard carries because no one counterswaps him, or 1/2 people swap and now the enemy tank is useless.
Not that im looking for one-tricking, but the game really doesn’t promote an individuals skill on any character. Imagine being the greatest Hammond to ever exist, to only then get ur back blown out by a hog with
See thats the thing, im a ball player, I can outplay an entire team of counters with little deaths, the problem is when my dps arent killing anything and my supports arent peeling properly. It's not balls job to peel most of the time, therefore if i walk in and my team just dies on cooldown, despite 3 enemies looking at me, thats on my team, not me. Give me competent dps that can kill things and I win that match up any day of the week, ball just doesnt really have solo kill pressure like the other tanks do so he relies on everything else, which doesnt matter when your damage dealers arent dealing damage.
@@cagxplays9602this is me in Doomfist. Like I’m genuinely flabbergasted when I’m looking at 3 holding my own and the enemy tank and ONE dps dogwalk my teammates
@@cagxplays9602damn fr im a doom player but honestly it feels like dps has the biggest impact in the game if ur dps sucks you basically lost. Most of the time it feels like the dps aren't even playing the game they're usually standing on the other side of the map doing nothing which is funny because when it comes to responsibilities dps has very little they have one job to get picks or at the very least do damage i have so many situations where i hit a really big empowered punch where everyone on the enemy team is low and it could easily be a team wipe but our dps is hiding behind a wall and just staring at the paint.
Pushing a car uphill with 4 flat tires...thats what its like playing tank with a team that isnt getting active, unextending, not providing any kind of pressure, then the tires will blame the car
Its funny how they cheer about having 100 million players. When the queue times are equal to a half assed blockbuster movie. Also they dont mention how 75% of that number is all alt accounts lol.
Ball one trick here. Yes, we have forced low winrate from tilted 0 IQ teammates. Which is baffling when he’s currently one of the best tanks and us OTP’s have been forged in the fires of him being shit for so long.
It's lame, You can be gapping everybody on elims but ur dps with 15 deaths will still complain about ur "dmg not being as high as theirs" like would u compare a widow dmg to a Bastion? It's different for diff characters. Dmg literally means nothing, if u don't get the kill what's the point?
Ball doesn't take as much damage, cooldowns or pressure as much as your typical frontline tank does. More pressure is from the enemy is applied to your DPS and supports, who aren't used to that. They can get away with standing in the open more often because their Rein/Orisa/Zarya etc are getting shot at. When you're on ball, usually a couple people turn to you, and often they give up and just shoot the DPS and supports. Meanwhile their own tank frontline tank is taking the pressure from your team which leaves their DPS and supports free value to kill your team. Ball himself is hard to play and get value with alone. Add onto the fact that people below masters don't know how to play WITH a ball. They don't change their tactics at all and play like they have a frontline tank. They don't know any better and just assume it's the balls fault. Nope. They just don't know how to play with a ball. That's why Doom is typically much better than ball. He does what ball does while hard CC'ing the enemy and can get kills much easier.
@@Zhohan- Thats the problem that dps players dont understand, they can swap and they can use natural cover instead of standing behind a rein shield all game. Theyd rather yell at the tank to swap though, they need a babysitter to help them play properly.
Ball is still shit, he relies too much on the dps to hit shots. They should just give ball the dps passive at this point but make it so that it doesnt stack.
Tank really feels like babysitting when you have over-committing dps that don't end up doing their jobs or trying to ask your supports to switch to burst healers instead of a lucio/zen/moria forcing you to either go a risky dive tactic or having to play conservative against a double hitscan team
The girl on DVA example is literally me right now. A tank will die once and immediately counterswap to zarya and my entire team expects me to swap instead of one of them , and I don’t really know how to play the other tanks as well as I do DVA. I’m only grinding comp for a gold weapon for DVA but getting yelled at by everyone is so infuriating.
I've queued flex since role queue was added and before that filled whatever role was needed. Ever since OW2 started I pretty much only got Tank and you know no issue really, I'm the only one in my friend group that enjoyed tank, but my will power has been slowly ground down over the course of season 1-9. Now I play Venture and Venture only, Venture plays like an off-tank and is the most fun I've had on OW in years. Tank players take the drill-pill become a mole person like myself.
No thanks. Supports and other DPS don't know how to follow up up Venture's plays or keep her alive for an escape. Suzu/Lamp and you're melted by 5 while your team is hiding behind the obj giving free ult charge to enemy
They really should consider swapping a limited resource. I was a flex player but I had to stop cause there's too many mid dps and support players who will scapegoat the tank player perform when they can always consider swapping to enable the tank player
The one benefit of support is being able to sit back and see everything unfold usually so you get a view of the entire battle where as tank often doesn't get such a luxury. Does make for easier taking of cover and such for sure. Also helps for when playing tank or dps though to build up better positioning etc.
I'm a women who sounds like a teen boy and fucking hell I get suspended if I play tank and talk in voice chat. It's over. I just play support and shut up. Tank is pretty easy to climb on to diamond just ignoring the idiot dps/supports. But I have 2 perma banned accounts from just talking in voice chat. There's no damn way I'm playing tank on top of that getting blamed for everything. I'd be flamed so hard and mass reported so fast I wouldn't have enough emails to play the game anymore.
Orisa actually hard counters them in6v6 which gives leeway for your second tank. Rein shield, bumped back to 1600-2000 can hold them off for dps to take em out. Dva is self explanatory Sig has trouble with hog otherwise can absorb. Ball can just ignore Junkerqueen can pull and neither can negate anti
What upsets me isn't just that they're probably not doing 6v6. It's the tone-deaf communication of tank problems like: - Counterswapping is fine right now and it's just a part of the game - Tanks need to be more tanky - Heroes having no weaknesses is perfectly fine - Mauga/Hog/Orisa are just "unpopular, not unhealthy" Along with that they cancelled PvE, but what have we gotten for PvP? No clans, tournament mode, hell even weapon inspects are just locked behind mythic weapons now. The game itself is just stale with no significant content outside of paid skins. I find it hard to understand when people say going back to 6v6 is a lot of work, as if reworking tons of heroes isn't also a lot of work? If they say "we've put a lot of time and effort into 5v5 and don't want to go back" I'd respond with "if you spent years of work on PvE, why was it ok to go back on that?".
The dva scenario u gave is so real and what I've been going thru. Idc getting called a typical egirl dva is so much fun and genuinely hate that I feel like I've been forced into a support role bc NO ONE KNOWS HOW TO PLAY SUPPORT FR WHEN U PLAY TANK. I hate counterswapping, I miss being a flanking dva
I have a clip of me playing D.va, wiping the enemy team and then they all change to Zarya, Mei and Symmetra. Also yesterday i played ball and a minute into the match a dude playing Sojourn dies and starts saying Ball is a throw then leaves the game. Depressing game dude i could be out there doing hard drugs and i'm playing this shit.
Honestly i don’t even care if they go zarya, I cook zarya as dva. The problem is when they go Moira sym mei zarya and it’s like oh I guess I’m not allowed to play anymore. Also when I play supp i feel like I just make way more impact. I have way more hours on tank but my supp is ranked higher, it’s so dumb that the game is in your Ana’s hands 90% of the time. The amount of games I’ve absolutely carried as kiri alone puts my tank game to shame, I legit feel like I’m just waiting for my supps to wake up 90% of the time. Dva was my main tank this season cuz I had a good support friend, and now they don’t play much so it’s back to hog and mauga because they can actually get shit done alone.
I recommend open queue because you can play your hero and however you want to on there. You can flank as dva and have a lot of value killing supports. instead of having to be the teams only tank
just finished placing for the first time in a couple seasons and the amount of times a glue eater would swap to Winston after getting clobbered by my dominant sig gameplay was near 100% of the time
"Being on ball will tilt your team" Yes, I can go 30 and 0 and still get blamed I can pick support the very next game, play like shit and everyones thanking and endorsing me. I go from being called a cheater or a smurf to being blamed the very next game even though I'm still doing extremely well and haven't died, but my dps have 6 deaths before first point lmaooo
As a person with anxiety, the pressure to perform well as Tank genuinely sends me into tears. It’s so crushing and overstimulating they really need to do something, old tank never felt this horrible
I used to love playing Dva but I feel like I'm now forced to play support because if I play Dva and having too much fun I know the enemy tank is gonna be a bitch and swap to Zarya. I main support but sometimes I wanna catch a break and play Dva but yeah no I can't so I'm forced to stay playing support. Blizzard never listens to us. 😢
Yup. 6v6 never had this issue. And it’s not even just zarya. If you go against a stack, they just go full counters. If i got a nickel for the amount of times I’ve demolished a few fights as dva, only to find the whole squad running beam characters coming from spawn, I’d have enough to buy twitter. Then your team will never fkin switch. I was going against a hog, bastion, Ana, mercy , forgot the rest of the comp but I was playing mauga. My team, instead of going kiri ana, which would give us the easiest win of our lives, said THAT IM GETTING HARD COUNTERED AS MAUGA 💀💀💀. I got hooked and antid and died with every tank I played all because my team does not want to give cleanse and instead wants to one trick and remain hard stuck. It’s miserable. You can never ask your supports to switch, that’s too much of a request !!! When I’m on supp I carry way more games too, tank is truly awful. Literally just give me AI teammates whose characters I pick, I swear I would be happier with that.
Your point about the Mercy saying it’s not her fault when it actually is, is 100% true. As someone who used to pretty much force mercy in 80% of matchups I was brain dead and didn’t think mercy was the problem, so long I was doing mercy’s job properly. That’s not how the support role, or tank role as you proved in this video works. Especially in 5v5, considering how counter picking is more prevalent and OP in OW2. The truth is on either tank or healer, just because you think you’re doing good, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t rub your last 2 brain cells together and go an obviously better pick to have an impact. Despite calling out how support and tank players make awful picks constantly in OW2, part of the problem is also just 5v5 which makes counter picking more essential. At the end of the day though supports will be the whiniest community without noticing they have all these strong heroes at their disposal lol.
I really like playing Junkerqueen, but I haven't touched her (or the tank role in general) in a month because having so many people bitch at you for not doing XYZ is too much for me (like move forward and take the space, but there are scenarios where if I do that then my HP will be shredded and I will die constantly. There's no winning there), especially when it's just quickplay games. I just want to play my favorite hero and have a good time.
Bro you are so real for every video you do man I play on console and bro my teamates don’t even know what they are doing if I play dps just like you said at 6:10 they don’t know what are off healers and main healers but also they dont know how to counter other supports and tanks. This is why I just have to stay on support 😪
you really hit the nail perfectly in here with how the counter swapping just ruins everything and becomes completely unfun and how support are so strong and is like the easiest roll you explained overwatch 2 in a OW2 flex experience and like ive been saying to everyone for years the main problem is the fact that there only 1 tank and support is a bit too strong
This is why i believe them merging offense and defense to damage was the worst mistake they ever made. Because it led to people thinking damage is the offensive role and tanks the defensive role when its not the case all the time. Torbojne was defensive because he meant to defend key points with his sentry and make sure its alive, and bastion was defense because he stayed at points and defended it as a sentry. Just because they can do damage doesnt mean they are offensive. Tanks on the other hand can be either or both depending on their kits. What makes a tank a tank is that they are a threat if you don't take care of them but since there is always one tank they are fucked eitherway. At this point they should unmerge damage and get rid of the tank role because its obvious they can't balance the game around and have the tanks into roles they actually represent. I know im just seeing this from outsider perspective and i have tired to play overwatch 2 since launch, however me seeing this over and over again makes me curious how anyone in the team believe this is good unless they are forced to.
THANK YOU finally someone said it, The only reason I play overwatch is so I can run tank and mainly play Dva but now I have to play 5 characters in 1 game just to play the game it’s actually such a big issue. I actually love the tank role/playing Dva too but it’s ironic bc they talked ab how they don’t want a game that is counterwatch but it’s literally that nowadays which sucks I miss those chaotic 6v6 fights bc that was the reason people played overwatch imo and especially created a more in depth dynamic for the veteran players. Now it’s not fun bc everything is being put on the tank so if you’re NOT winning you’re sure as hell gonna be yelled/talk shi @ which is whatever but every game it gets annoying to deal with Still love your vids tho so cheers 💙⚡️🌬
It happens on dps too. Not as badly but it happens. And in quickplay (where we aren't allowed to leave) Had a game in masters last week. Enemy team goes widow. I go widow. Diff him. He goes sombra. I go tracer. He goes pharah. I go ashe. He goes back widow. We won the game. But it was frustratingly boring. Not allowed to have fun. There seriously needs to be a punishment for the amount of swaps a person does per objective.
Because of how essential tank is, you have to be able to do a little bit of everything, meaning you have to depend on your team to enable you. Any role that is dependent on others to win games is in a horrible state. There should be a carry factor on all roles, not just dps and support
i’m so lucky that im not a tank main because they’re really in a tough spot rn. i used to play Dva and Ramattra but it wasn’t fun for me so i stayed on dps/support. i don’t think it’s gonna get better anytime soon so i feel bad for any tank mains out there
I love playing sombra, but have stopped trying to play her every game, but when I know im cooked I have to pullout the virgin card, it sucks but if my tank or other dps won't swap I have to just to win the match, won't get any endorsements for it of course but at least I tried. but on the one note, one game where I had to play tank, I had to literally play every single tank character just so we got the cart moving, nobody else would swap against DVA except me, we didn't win but at least got the cart to fucking move
Played a game last night on Eichenwalde tank where we ended up in a wrecking ball mirror. I don’t really play that hero and we had a Mercy meanwhile they had an anti-ball backline so I swapped Mauga and trolled around. Next game I am vs the same tank player but he has the Mercy. We are in a Doomfist mirror and I proceed to go 18-0 and fill cap on Colloseo. What this indicates to me is how snowbally it is, we probably are roughly equal tank players but each game one of us got rolled. Also how if one team has a better comp it can become impossible to make the comeback. I kinda hate how boom or bust tank is. The 18-0 game was actually very frustrating at first because so many enemies were barely surviving and getting rezzed so it took like 3-4 minutes to secure one complete teamfight win. The sustain and bailouts in this game have gotten absurd it just makes teamfights drag on, but I think the devs think we need these kinds of things so that fights aren’t over in 2 seconds because a DPS got 2 picks in a flash.
i like how they changed 6v6 to 5v5 because of tank bottlenecking ques but its doing the same thing in 5v5 because just like in ow1… they cant balance it and nobody wants to play it😐
The worst part is that if you complain about counter swapping the other player gets an ego and thinks they’re good at the game. It’s actually the most frustrating thing to deal with playing tank. People genuinely think they’re good by standing in spawn waiting to pick the right hero
the only group of players that want 6v6 back are tank players, and its totally understable, imagine a fucking 4v4 or even 3v3, everyone would see what tank players see
I was full flex in OW1. 6 v 6 was far better and more fun for all roles. Nothing fun about playing DPS or support and fighting a 1 dimensional miniboss. I think of it like OW1 is a soulslike, bosses aren't too high health but can shrek you, you have to be on your toes to not die. OWToo is like an MMO, enemy tank is easy to read, easy to counter, they just have a high health pool.
I played Rein the other day on Havana and got a solid 30/14/2 and like we had 2 minutes left. Then the next round started and had Zen, Ram, Bastion, Ana and Mei to just tell me to have zero fun. Tank is miserable because you by design have the most game impact.
most enjoyable experience i have on tank is when i leave voice and mute team and match chat so i can play what i want and what i think is best without having people screaming at me.
4:20 I remember experiencing a similar scenario. My DPS flamed me for not staying in front to make space, while my supports flamed me for not peeling them when they got dived. When in doubt, just blame the tank lmao.
I used to main tank lol. Now I only play tank in quickplay games with my mic off. It doesn’t matter what you do as a tank, if your team loses, it’s your fault.
My issue with Tank is that I will always be put with bad DPS. I can carry without good supports, but I can't do ANYTHING with bad DPS. I get used as a meatshield so DPS can play TDM and take 1v1 L's back to back to back. Kids sit behind the cart watching me fight from a smart angle and dying with no heals and no DPS peel
needing to peel and push isnt rlly a problem in my experience i realise that if my dps cant handle a flanking tracer or sombra while being hard healed by supports its just a dps diff the problem with this is that its severly hard to climb as tank in solo queue because your heavily reliant on your teamates while your expected to do so much like get kills mitigate damage and frontline lmao i joined in overwatch 2 and i really would like to see how easier it would be if these roles were distributed evenly between 2 tanks
Tank is easily the most dreading role to play in overwatch there is absolutely nothing else to do if you are getting hard countered in higher lobbies than to counter swap which goes on till the end of the game. That's not an interesting or fun feature that's just a flaw of the terrible game design. If you are playing tank both you and the enemy tank usually end up playing a few tanks you swap on to and off from to counter the other with them usually being the exact same for both. Even the streamers people show as proof that there is no need for counter-swapping lose a majority of the games they don't counter-switch. I don't know how the tank experience was in Overwatch 1 because I didn't play it as much and generally played dps but I bet it was more fun than what we have now: the dilemma between just going on a counter-switching war or having fun playing what you want to play
This is why i dont touch tank, only tank i enjoy playing is dva and anyone can pick zarya and hold m1 and win the game without needing to have a single braincell
I hit top 500 last season as a Rein OTP. You would think if I could endure solo queuing Rein that I could persevere through anything but I deleted the game 4 days ago. My life has significantly improved.
Truer words have not been spoken, anyways keep it up. Hopefully Blizzard fixes their shit someday, in the meantime, i'll turn my "playing once a month" to i"'ll come back when they fix this" because i swear they didn't do shit since OW2 came out and somehow its getting/feeling worse now Dx
You are absolutely right, that talking point of the girl dva player hit the nail, overrwatch back then wasnt perfect either but to me anyways yes zarya countered dva even back then but the beauty of the game was that you could perform your role AND play who you like, i may not be able as dva to get rid of zarya but our rein could and i could in turn bodyguard our healers from flankers allowing our dps to shine. Its sad that Ana was the first hero to be hrelease after the first game came out and sinds then its was nose dive into the abyss, she was challenging and fun but after her it was one breaking the game hero after another.. its like the ppl who made the first left right away cuz Jesus man.. and then they make mauga cuz ppl are bitching that tanks dont do everything that 2 players used to do so make this op hero to maybe even it out. They dropped the ball eons ago . I truly miss the old days yeah we used to yell and curse alot i guess we just didnt know how good we had till we drop into this shitfest. We should have know safter 2 yrs of dive and 2 or more yrs of goats the game even in its prime was left behind cuz blizz was too busy trying to be the hotshot of esports they forgpt you need a good gsme for thst and a loyal fanbase. Ow 1 deserved better and so did we.. i have played sinds beta day 1 i saw all the changes as they happened . This is bs where we are now.
I really hope the devs come up with a mode or rule for comp to limit each player to only three character swaps or at least a preset arsenal of characters to use each match. That way if someone counters my dva I can switch back after they go Zar no more than twice on me idk I’m trying to throw shit out there I just hate zar swappers Ps thx for being the Eren Jaeger of overwatch
I stopped playing OW2 soon after it came out because of the tank blame. I wasn't a huge OW fan anyway, but I always got the blame from the DPS and support even when it wasn't warranted so it left no reason to keep playing.
Honestly, the only thing to do is just stop playing tank. If they end up getting the "muh queue times" again, their biggest argument is gone. Sucks for tanks, but tank sucks already, so...
Was playing ball in unranked and after the first round of me rolling them they swap to sombra, junkrat, brig and hog. I can't even have a small amount of enjoyment without getting hyper focus by a sombra with separation anxiety because they never leave me alone.
The amount of times the tank gets blamed when the other two roles can swap at least one person to help out is insane. We had a sombra that threw in comp cause they said it was our tanks fault for not aiming at their supports. While our tank is front lining and taking everything….instead of the sombra doing you know…her job and getting the back line. It’s insane. Only thing they killed was the pylon and themselves when they started throwing. Expecting your tank to help your own back line, the front line, and everywhere is just a wild. Tank is easily 1 v 9 cause it’s you against everyone even your own team
Another belter of a video king, how have Blizzard fucked up this badly? I redownloaded Overwatch and uninstalled after 3 hours or so. I just used to play Hog, D.va and Soldier, and what's the fucking point? Soldier is completely outclassed by the new DPS, any d.va game they'll just swap almost instantly, and playing hog in 5v5 is hell. Supports won't switch to help cleanse anti-nade, and I'd get flamed to fuck by the DPS or the supports for not making enough space or not peeling enough, such a shame to see this game going down the pan
As a previous tank main in overwatch 1 to now a support main in overwatch 2 now when I get into comp matches and see my team demanding the tank to switch it makes me feel bad for them because everyone just thinks that it’s the tanks fault but it’s like because of the 5v5 format (sorry for all you tank mains out there who are good but always have to switch to counter)
I never thought much about playing tank since I usually just main supports and dps. Last season, I chose to start playing tank more and my god its just insufferable, especially the second point. The team always expects you to be the one to swap, even tho they are totally capable of swapping for characters that have high survivability and can also give us an advantage. Why is it always left to me to be the one that swaps to winston to take out enemy's widow when the dps can easily go sombra or genji or literally any character that can do the job as well. Why are supports playing ana and zen, characters with no mobility, into a widow that can just pick their slow ass. And why is it that dps are so dogwater that even when they counterpick they still cant win their 1v1s. Not to mention, the amount of times ive gotten cursed out because my fucking team cant decide what they want me to do. I play with the team and my team wants to get on my ass for not being aggressive enough. I start going in being more aggressive picking off their dps and my team in the back dies and blames me for pushing. Like why ask me to go aggressive if you cant keep up. At this point, i just play how i want
Duo'd with a tank player for the first time ever in ow2 the other day and felt his pain second hand, from his commentary + forced to play counter-watch the entire time. (I usually play with text chat and vc off for my own sanity, so i really got his whole experience when i had it on yesterday...) and man as a support/dps player i dont envy yall tank players one bit. That shits hot ass.
I tried returning to the game recently just to play tank. I've mained it since OW1 and it's just painful having to switch every other fight because I don't have a second tank to cover my hero's weaknesses. 5v5 has genuinely ruined the game, and double shield seriously isn't an issue anymore. They gotta bring 6v6 back.
And there’s the absolutely *FANTASTIC* Season 9 changes where they buffed everyone’s health pools, now tanks like Mauga and Hog get to walk around with effectively 2k health with their abilities. You’d think tank would feel top tier after that, but counterswapping a solo tank still feels like 🐶 💩
First time commenting, tank is genuinely the most miserable role to play nowadays, you either get countered and yelled at, or get killed once and still get yelled at. This game is kinda terrible atp.
Exactly, people expect tank to do everything it did in 6v6. Tank is the most nitpicked role in the game and feels like the default excuse for why a team is doing bad. There have been games where I have less than 10 deaths and I'm getting flamed by DPS that have 15 and 16.
Tank is supposed to do everything and support my fucking team with their big hp and fat body… if they don’t im saying gg and throwing and i dont feel bad because its all about me ( im an angry dps player).
As a support player I either feel bad for my tank because I don’t know what more they can do on that horrific role, or I’m like “ffs, we Insta lose because of the one hero my tank is forcing”. It’s an unhealthy role in its current state, just not how support is unhealthy
@@beanjuice6012tank player malding
Kinda???? VERY😂😂😂
Honestly the most annoying part is how much the dev team and blizzard try to AVOID discussing 6v6 when it’s def the answer id rather them just say no then say nothing
I would imagine that they don’t want to say _“No”_ to 6v6 so all the old Overwatch players just give up on it and leave Overwatch 2 for good, which is basically a backfiring they don’t want to happen so they just say nothing instead, and as you said, they *try to avoid* the 6v6 solution ALTHOUGH…
They also can’t actually say “nothing” without it backfiring eventually, it is already happening, they just don’t realise it, but when they do it’s gonna be too late because 6v6 really is the only GOOD solution to the many problems 5v5 presents. *Granted.* the only _“issue”_ with 6v6 though, was the queue times….
Legit, I would have respect for them to own up to their mistake and just bring back 6v6. Rebrand it as OW Classic. I don't give two fucks. Just get the second tank back.
@@nothingreallyrhymeswithora9377I don't know why they wouldn't even just add 6v6 as a side mode unless they're worried adding 6v6 as a side mode would totally drain the player count for 5v5.
6v6 is a stupid fkn idea
@@Sapphic288 🤦🏾
The day I can play Rein without the enemy tank running to spawn and counter swapping within seconds shall be a great day.
Get on the creator patch right now. It's not comp, but speedy Rein dominates the server even when they counterswap.
@@Deusagaand we will never have it again.
So the same problem gives us a reacharound.
@@Deusaga that patch made me stop coping, I finally realized that rein sucks and that won't change just because I can make it work😢
This rein reminds me of s1 to S2 tank.
agree
tbh stop playing rein
What BLOWS MY MIND is this has been an ongoing issue since seasons 2 of overwatch 2. We are almost 10 seasons in and THERE ARE STILL PPL DEFENDING 5v5 😂😂😂😂. I have 5 accounts ranging from GM to gold. The amount of times I’ll get some braindead teammate at all skill levels who say “tank is the most impactful role/ most OP role you have high health” makes me wanna jump off my balcony. Literally any game I start doing “too well” I just get counter swapped to high hell and my team has glue eaters on it and they don’t ever swap. People wonder why OW “toxicity and negativity” are a problem and the easiest answer is players get carried to ranks they don’t deserve or just look at the scoreboard the entire game and think they are playing well. The amount of times I’ve seen some play mercy into a bad mercy comp or when she’s garbage like rn, pocket the tank and finish with like 15k healing and think she was “carrying”. Same logic can be applied to dps players, the ppl who play bastion or reaper and just play “where’s the tank” the whole game and inflate the hell outta there stats and flame you for being the “bad player”. Tank is the role you get absolutely fucked over the most in the game and get next to no reward or recognition from anyone except the other tank player. 5v5 ruined OW and if you don’t believe so your an entitled DPS player or your just delusional 😂
This is why casuals can’t be the ones to dictate balance. Leave it to people who are actually good at the game 😅😅
@@EmmaxoOCE that’s one of the biggest issues plaguing gaming rn. Devs update and change things based off statistics or twitter feedback and it makes the game worse like 90% of the time 🤣
6v6 was way worse you have Stockholm syndrome
Man you should see the forums. 50% or more of people on the forums not only defend 5 v 5, but they think people wanting 6 v 6 are delusional and wearing 'rose tinted glasses'. They just gaslight everyone into their own delusions.
When Jake, a 5 v 5 Blizzard shill hosts a poll that comes up with 49% people wanting 6 v 6, that says something. He can't even convince his audience.
@@beastlyword0690 Like the brig changes they've done recently... what the actual fk LOL
I’m a support main and had a game where our hog was 25-3, whilst our dps were mercy pocketed on bastion and torb going 6-5 and 8-7. They would stand in the open to their widow and blame our tank, but he was getting the most picks on our team. I had to defend hog bc there was no way ur mercy pocketed playing 2 of the most powerful dps and blaming ur tank. Ik there are bad tanks but some dps players are really delusional💀💀
Most*
Most dps*
Hah I has a similar situation when I was playing tank, had 20 elims about 6 deaths. 1 DPS (genji) had 15 elims 10 deaths. But the Junkrat had 4 elims 15 deaths and of course, it was the Junkrat typing 'tank diff', 'my tank sucks' etc.. Of course, we had a Genji and Junkrat playing into echo Mercy and they didn't swap off once all game.
This game going FTP was the worst decision they made. The number of delusional manchilds playing this game now is exponentially greater than all of OW1.
its usually the dps players who are delusional, usually. Idk if there are studies for this, but I guarantee its true.
@@cagxplays9602 Everyone can be delusional. IMO it's pretty even with DPS/Support. You see less from the tanks simply because there's only 1 tank, statistically makes it less likely to see.
From supports tho it's mostly Mercy/Moira mains that are delusional and don't know their heroes have no good utility.
As a dva main on tank it’s so damm annoying when the opponent swaps to Zarya because then I have to swap to rein and then the Zarya swaps to mauga then I play Orisa like it just a never ending cycle for counter swapping
Dva vs Mauga isn’t too bad tho. You can out play Zarya depending on the map. Flat maps go rein
@@mylegguy8115well sometimes dva can work into mauga but most of the time he will burn you alive also you can fly away from the Zarya to not get beam damage at you
Tank used to be so fun in ow1 now I wanna stop aliving myself every time they swap to my counter and go Ana/Zen and get discorded every time they see me
Getting discorded as a tank is one of the worst things cause it’s either stand in the open and get depleted or hide and keep letting them advance why you just do absolutely nothing
Every time they go mauga, bastion, reaper or junk, Ana, and kiri 🤦♂️
@@fubusupporter5933as a Winton main, I’d just wait it out then jump the zen. But I get what u mean. Zen is by far not the worst matchup IMO
If you play correctly you're not gonna get affected by any of your counters, if the entire enemy team is swapping to brawl/dive to counter your sigma in circuit royale they will lose if u play well since the map favours poke
Just learn 1 tank of every role and play them on suitable maps, sig on circuit, ram/rein on kings row, etc and you WILL climb no matter what they play or counterswap to.
You WILL lose if you force brawl characters like rein,mauga on maps like gibralter, tank is the only role which demands flexibility if you're not a GOD otp which most of us aren't
@@fubusupporter5933 Cut LOS and push with shield up, barriers can't cut LOS but zen can't discord through a barrier, at least that's what I do
As a tank main it is awful for me to even play without 6v6 in my opinion
Especially when I'm a sig main with like 1,000 hours it's pretty hard to deal without another tank
Yeah but they won’t bring 6v6 back
@@averagemoney1291 ik that but im just saying to get my voice across but I agree with you since theres more porn of this game than the actual content of it lol
@Davis171 just play open
@@recon1506 i know but I play against ai but its alr
Genuinely the hardest part about being a tank main isnt that you get counterpicked constantly, get bullied by the enemy team the whole game, or the fact that its genuinely the most miserable experience in the game, its the fact that no one respects you for doing it. Not even your teammates.
you say that while this guy is bitching at EVERY SINGLE SUPPORT for not picking what he wants. This dude is litterally everything he complains about.
@@huneylove5 Not having the right supports makes everything 10 times harder. Your team expects you to counter their tank so why shouldn't the tank do the same? It is nearly like we used to have a format that allowed people to play what they wanted. Too bad the devs are incompetent and couldn't do basic balancing and updates.
@@huneylove5The problem is that Tanks are *always* expected to swap the nanosecond the enemy team has even the slightest comp advantage. But support *refuse* to swap no matter how much you ask. They scoff at you like: “how dare you even suggest I swap, you should be lucky I’m healing you” even when they are getting hard countered and dove.
Like a brig who plays like she’s rein and tries to brawl the enemy tank and dies every fight.
Or the Lifeweaver who is a country mile away from your team and gets dove by tracer, genji, Ball. Or the zen who overextends and gets picked constantly
Worst part is, in issue #2, you talk about how either you swap to dive and your team gets ate out, or your dps counter pick the dive, the game is just fundamentally flawed because either you feel miserable or your other teams tank feels miserable
Too bad no one knows how to play dive.
Tank is the one role where every match is either chill or pure aids no inbetween
You don’t even need “miserable” in the title that insinuates there’s a light at the end of the tunnel
😂
In your issue #2, where the enemy Ball is just diving the Ana and you need to peel for her, it's true that she could have gone Brig and/or your DPS could go Mcree/Sombra to help the backline. The problem is if your team does that, then the Ball player is going to run into your issue #1 (Counter-swapping), where he can't play because the game forces his opponents to counter him on the skill floor.
Buffing tanks also doesn't help because if the tank doesn't lose to their organic counters, they become do-it-alls (as Samito puts it), since they become flavour of the month top tiers until the next patch.
No matter what happens, 5v5 cannot create organic, fun gameplay because you're stuck in this cycle of feast or famine; the tank hard carries because no one counterswaps him, or 1/2 people swap and now the enemy tank is useless.
This should have been the pinned comment, this is actually perfect information
Not that im looking for one-tricking, but the game really doesn’t promote an individuals skill on any character. Imagine being the greatest Hammond to ever exist, to only then get ur back blown out by a hog with
See thats the thing, im a ball player, I can outplay an entire team of counters with little deaths, the problem is when my dps arent killing anything and my supports arent peeling properly.
It's not balls job to peel most of the time, therefore if i walk in and my team just dies on cooldown, despite 3 enemies looking at me, thats on my team, not me.
Give me competent dps that can kill things and I win that match up any day of the week, ball just doesnt really have solo kill pressure like the other tanks do so he relies on everything else, which doesnt matter when your damage dealers arent dealing damage.
Yea same i can pull every cooldown and nobody knows how to play with me in OW2 barely did in OW1
@@cagxplays9602this is me in Doomfist. Like I’m genuinely flabbergasted when I’m looking at 3 holding my own and the enemy tank and ONE dps dogwalk my teammates
@@cagxplays9602damn fr im a doom player but honestly it feels like dps has the biggest impact in the game if ur dps sucks you basically lost. Most of the time it feels like the dps aren't even playing the game they're usually standing on the other side of the map doing nothing which is funny because when it comes to responsibilities dps has very little they have one job to get picks or at the very least do damage i have so many situations where i hit a really big empowered punch where everyone on the enemy team is low and it could easily be a team wipe but our dps is hiding behind a wall and just staring at the paint.
@@H4VOK_YT yeah it's like that a lot, i feel like supports and dps have about the same level of impact though, supps are basically dps with heals.
Only Overwatch can make me hate 6v6 with a passion then make me want 6v6 back congratulations overwatch devs
Pushing a car uphill with 4 flat tires...thats what its like playing tank with a team that isnt getting active, unextending, not providing any kind of pressure, then the tires will blame the car
Never switched hands so fast
crazy comment
when I first read this comment I was dumbfounded, perplexed, disorientated even.
when I first read this comment I was dumbfounded, perplexed, disorientated even.
Real
Its funny how they cheer about having 100 million players. When the queue times are equal to a half assed blockbuster movie. Also they dont mention how 75% of that number is all alt accounts lol.
Ball one trick here. Yes, we have forced low winrate from tilted 0 IQ teammates. Which is baffling when he’s currently one of the best tanks and us OTP’s have been forged in the fires of him being shit for so long.
It's lame, You can be gapping everybody on elims but ur dps with 15 deaths will still complain about ur "dmg not being as high as theirs" like would u compare a widow dmg to a Bastion? It's different for diff characters. Dmg literally means nothing, if u don't get the kill what's the point?
You have no frontline. Either you have a mobile team that can apply pressure with you or you lose on ball.
Ball doesn't take as much damage, cooldowns or pressure as much as your typical frontline tank does. More pressure is from the enemy is applied to your DPS and supports, who aren't used to that. They can get away with standing in the open more often because their Rein/Orisa/Zarya etc are getting shot at.
When you're on ball, usually a couple people turn to you, and often they give up and just shoot the DPS and supports. Meanwhile their own tank frontline tank is taking the pressure from your team which leaves their DPS and supports free value to kill your team.
Ball himself is hard to play and get value with alone. Add onto the fact that people below masters don't know how to play WITH a ball. They don't change their tactics at all and play like they have a frontline tank.
They don't know any better and just assume it's the balls fault. Nope. They just don't know how to play with a ball.
That's why Doom is typically much better than ball. He does what ball does while hard CC'ing the enemy and can get kills much easier.
@@Zhohan- Thats the problem that dps players dont understand, they can swap and they can use natural cover instead of standing behind a rein shield all game.
Theyd rather yell at the tank to swap though, they need a babysitter to help them play properly.
Ball is still shit, he relies too much on the dps to hit shots. They should just give ball the dps passive at this point but make it so that it doesnt stack.
It’s always a 1 trick mercy who refuses to swap I swear
2:30 console typing goes crazy lmaooo
Tank really feels like babysitting when you have over-committing dps that don't end up doing their jobs or trying to ask your supports to switch to burst healers instead of a lucio/zen/moria forcing you to either go a risky dive tactic or having to play conservative against a double hitscan team
Every time the enemy tank counterswaps zar into my dva I make it a point to call them a dweeb
The girl on DVA example is literally me right now. A tank will die once and immediately counterswap to zarya and my entire team expects me to swap instead of one of them , and I don’t really know how to play the other tanks as well as I do DVA. I’m only grinding comp for a gold weapon for DVA but getting yelled at by everyone is so infuriating.
I've queued flex since role queue was added and before that filled whatever role was needed. Ever since OW2 started I pretty much only got Tank and you know no issue really, I'm the only one in my friend group that enjoyed tank, but my will power has been slowly ground down over the course of season 1-9. Now I play Venture and Venture only, Venture plays like an off-tank and is the most fun I've had on OW in years. Tank players take the drill-pill become a mole person like myself.
No thanks. Supports and other DPS don't know how to follow up up Venture's plays or keep her alive for an escape. Suzu/Lamp and you're melted by 5 while your team is hiding behind the obj giving free ult charge to enemy
Definetly agree. You can play Venture similarly to ball, but have crazy burst damage.
Lmfao the desk w punch holes in it 😂😂
“Make a wish supports” that’s literally like half of my games
😂 same with dps I find when playing as tank/support. Sometimes supports as well if on tank. Always a mixed bag lol
They really should consider swapping a limited resource. I was a flex player but I had to stop cause there's too many mid dps and support players who will scapegoat the tank player perform when they can always consider swapping to enable the tank player
I've never seen a support player actually address how easy support is and how shit tank is.
The one benefit of support is being able to sit back and see everything unfold usually so you get a view of the entire battle where as tank often doesn't get such a luxury. Does make for easier taking of cover and such for sure. Also helps for when playing tank or dps though to build up better positioning etc.
I'm a women who sounds like a teen boy and fucking hell I get suspended if I play tank and talk in voice chat. It's over. I just play support and shut up. Tank is pretty easy to climb on to diamond just ignoring the idiot dps/supports. But I have 2 perma banned accounts from just talking in voice chat. There's no damn way I'm playing tank on top of that getting blamed for everything. I'd be flamed so hard and mass reported so fast I wouldn't have enough emails to play the game anymore.
I'm sorry you go through that😔
I’m a teen girl who sounds like a teen boy, I’ve had the misfortune of experiencing some of this I feel ya.
5v5 enthusiasts are gonna use dOubLE ShIelD as an argument I bet.
Both have their flaws. Can you imagine mauga AND hog on one team?
@@lostxnxyouwe giving Ana a trolley problem with this one
Still better than 5v5
Orisa actually hard counters them in6v6 which gives leeway for your second tank.
Rein shield, bumped back to 1600-2000 can hold them off for dps to take em out.
Dva is self explanatory
Sig has trouble with hog otherwise can absorb.
Ball can just ignore
Junkerqueen can pull and neither can negate anti
@@cantbelieve5231 orisa does not hard counter mauga. And she's at most annoying vs hog.
What upsets me isn't just that they're probably not doing 6v6. It's the tone-deaf communication of tank problems like:
- Counterswapping is fine right now and it's just a part of the game
- Tanks need to be more tanky
- Heroes having no weaknesses is perfectly fine
- Mauga/Hog/Orisa are just "unpopular, not unhealthy"
Along with that they cancelled PvE, but what have we gotten for PvP? No clans, tournament mode, hell even weapon inspects are just locked behind mythic weapons now.
The game itself is just stale with no significant content outside of paid skins.
I find it hard to understand when people say going back to 6v6 is a lot of work, as if reworking tons of heroes isn't also a lot of work?
If they say "we've put a lot of time and effort into 5v5 and don't want to go back" I'd respond with "if you spent years of work on PvE, why was it ok to go back on that?".
The dva scenario u gave is so real and what I've been going thru. Idc getting called a typical egirl dva is so much fun and genuinely hate that I feel like I've been forced into a support role bc NO ONE KNOWS HOW TO PLAY SUPPORT FR WHEN U PLAY TANK. I hate counterswapping, I miss being a flanking dva
I have a clip of me playing D.va, wiping the enemy team and then they all change to Zarya, Mei and Symmetra.
Also yesterday i played ball and a minute into the match a dude playing Sojourn dies and starts saying Ball is a throw then leaves the game.
Depressing game dude i could be out there doing hard drugs and i'm playing this shit.
it’s sad how you almost never see zarya players. but ohh when sigma/dva is on the enemy team they suddenly crawl out of extinction
Honestly i don’t even care if they go zarya, I cook zarya as dva. The problem is when they go Moira sym mei zarya and it’s like oh I guess I’m not allowed to play anymore. Also when I play supp i feel like I just make way more impact. I have way more hours on tank but my supp is ranked higher, it’s so dumb that the game is in your Ana’s hands 90% of the time. The amount of games I’ve absolutely carried as kiri alone puts my tank game to shame, I legit feel like I’m just waiting for my supps to wake up 90% of the time. Dva was my main tank this season cuz I had a good support friend, and now they don’t play much so it’s back to hog and mauga because they can actually get shit done alone.
I recommend open queue because you can play your hero and however you want to on there. You can flank as dva and have a lot of value killing supports. instead of having to be the teams only tank
yesss and this is the reason i quit playing ow2 😭
just finished placing for the first time in a couple seasons and the amount of times a glue eater would swap to Winston after getting clobbered by my dominant sig gameplay was near 100% of the time
Relatable
I just gave up doing comp 🫠
"Being on ball will tilt your team"
Yes, I can go 30 and 0 and still get blamed
I can pick support the very next game, play like shit and everyones thanking and endorsing me.
I go from being called a cheater or a smurf to being blamed the very next game even though I'm still doing extremely well and haven't died, but my dps have 6 deaths before first point lmaooo
As a person with anxiety, the pressure to perform well as Tank genuinely sends me into tears. It’s so crushing and overstimulating they really need to do something, old tank never felt this horrible
I used to love playing Dva but I feel like I'm now forced to play support because if I play Dva and having too much fun I know the enemy tank is gonna be a bitch and swap to Zarya. I main support but sometimes I wanna catch a break and play Dva but yeah no I can't so I'm forced to stay playing support. Blizzard never listens to us. 😢
Yup. 6v6 never had this issue. And it’s not even just zarya. If you go against a stack, they just go full counters. If i got a nickel for the amount of times I’ve demolished a few fights as dva, only to find the whole squad running beam characters coming from spawn, I’d have enough to buy twitter. Then your team will never fkin switch. I was going against a hog, bastion, Ana, mercy , forgot the rest of the comp but I was playing mauga. My team, instead of going kiri ana, which would give us the easiest win of our lives, said THAT IM GETTING HARD COUNTERED AS MAUGA 💀💀💀. I got hooked and antid and died with every tank I played all because my team does not want to give cleanse and instead wants to one trick and remain hard stuck. It’s miserable. You can never ask your supports to switch, that’s too much of a request !!! When I’m on supp I carry way more games too, tank is truly awful. Literally just give me AI teammates whose characters I pick, I swear I would be happier with that.
0:59 nah bro wth is happening on that desk 💀
Which comes first GTA 6 or 6v6 I think I know already
Your point about the Mercy saying it’s not her fault when it actually is, is 100% true. As someone who used to pretty much force mercy in 80% of matchups I was brain dead and didn’t think mercy was the problem, so long I was doing mercy’s job properly. That’s not how the support role, or tank role as you proved in this video works. Especially in 5v5, considering how counter picking is more prevalent and OP in OW2. The truth is on either tank or healer, just because you think you’re doing good, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t rub your last 2 brain cells together and go an obviously better pick to have an impact.
Despite calling out how support and tank players make awful picks constantly in OW2, part of the problem is also just 5v5 which makes counter picking more essential. At the end of the day though supports will be the whiniest community without noticing they have all these strong heroes at their disposal lol.
I really like playing Junkerqueen, but I haven't touched her (or the tank role in general) in a month because having so many people bitch at you for not doing XYZ is too much for me (like move forward and take the space, but there are scenarios where if I do that then my HP will be shredded and I will die constantly. There's no winning there), especially when it's just quickplay games. I just want to play my favorite hero and have a good time.
Bro you are so real for every video you do man I play on console and bro my teamates don’t even know what they are doing if I play dps just like you said at 6:10 they don’t know what are off healers and main healers but also they dont know how to counter other supports and tanks. This is why I just have to stay on support 😪
5v5 has taught us a valuable lesson, time to go back
you really hit the nail perfectly in here with how the counter swapping just ruins everything and becomes completely unfun and how support are so strong and is like the easiest roll you explained overwatch 2 in a OW2 flex experience and like ive been saying to everyone for years the main problem is the fact that there only 1 tank and support is a bit too strong
This is why i believe them merging offense and defense to damage was the worst mistake they ever made. Because it led to people thinking damage is the offensive role and tanks the defensive role when its not the case all the time. Torbojne was defensive because he meant to defend key points with his sentry and make sure its alive, and bastion was defense because he stayed at points and defended it as a sentry. Just because they can do damage doesnt mean they are offensive. Tanks on the other hand can be either or both depending on their kits. What makes a tank a tank is that they are a threat if you don't take care of them but since there is always one tank they are fucked eitherway. At this point they should unmerge damage and get rid of the tank role because its obvious they can't balance the game around and have the tanks into roles they actually represent. I know im just seeing this from outsider perspective and i have tired to play overwatch 2 since launch, however me seeing this over and over again makes me curious how anyone in the team believe this is good unless they are forced to.
THANK YOU finally someone said it, The only reason I play overwatch is so I can run tank and mainly play Dva but now I have to play 5 characters in 1 game just to play the game it’s actually such a big issue. I actually love the tank role/playing Dva too but it’s ironic bc they talked ab how they don’t want a game that is counterwatch but it’s literally that nowadays which sucks
I miss those chaotic 6v6 fights bc that was the reason people played overwatch imo and especially created a more in depth dynamic for the veteran players. Now it’s not fun bc everything is being put on the tank so if you’re NOT winning you’re sure as hell gonna be yelled/talk shi @ which is whatever but every game it gets annoying to deal with
Still love your vids tho so cheers 💙⚡️🌬
Play ball is literally 1v9 and this not meme or a fun joke. Is just PAINFULL. I begin my own crusade agaist every sombra i see in my sight...
it’s the same for us doom players too, we literally have the easiest potential to be countered😭
@alm0nddd so rewarding when you do get to have a good game, though. Even if not really worth the pain and suffering beforehand lol.
People be counterswapping hard in quick play its insanity
It happens on dps too. Not as badly but it happens. And in quickplay (where we aren't allowed to leave)
Had a game in masters last week.
Enemy team goes widow.
I go widow. Diff him.
He goes sombra. I go tracer.
He goes pharah. I go ashe.
He goes back widow.
We won the game. But it was frustratingly boring.
Not allowed to have fun.
There seriously needs to be a punishment for the amount of swaps a person does per objective.
Because of how essential tank is, you have to be able to do a little bit of everything, meaning you have to depend on your team to enable you. Any role that is dependent on others to win games is in a horrible state. There should be a carry factor on all roles, not just dps and support
i’m so lucky that im not a tank main because they’re really in a tough spot rn. i used to play Dva and Ramattra but it wasn’t fun for me so i stayed on dps/support. i don’t think it’s gonna get better anytime soon so i feel bad for any tank mains out there
I love playing sombra, but have stopped trying to play her every game, but when I know im cooked I have to pullout the virgin card, it sucks but if my tank or other dps won't swap I have to just to win the match, won't get any endorsements for it of course but at least I tried. but on the one note, one game where I had to play tank, I had to literally play every single tank character just so we got the cart moving, nobody else would swap against DVA except me, we didn't win but at least got the cart to fucking move
Played a game last night on Eichenwalde tank where we ended up in a wrecking ball mirror. I don’t really play that hero and we had a Mercy meanwhile they had an anti-ball backline so I swapped Mauga and trolled around. Next game I am vs the same tank player but he has the Mercy. We are in a Doomfist mirror and I proceed to go 18-0 and fill cap on Colloseo. What this indicates to me is how snowbally it is, we probably are roughly equal tank players but each game one of us got rolled. Also how if one team has a better comp it can become impossible to make the comeback. I kinda hate how boom or bust tank is. The 18-0 game was actually very frustrating at first because so many enemies were barely surviving and getting rezzed so it took like 3-4 minutes to secure one complete teamfight win. The sustain and bailouts in this game have gotten absurd it just makes teamfights drag on, but I think the devs think we need these kinds of things so that fights aren’t over in 2 seconds because a DPS got 2 picks in a flash.
Bruh finna go crazy cus of the lastest patch
Why I miss having two tanks - you can have tanks work together, even if they were trying to counter. Didn't seem as bad.
Was playing tank earlier and they wanted me to dive widow, kill the reaper in the backline and protect the supports from ball, I’m done playing tank.
yeah they expect tanks to carry the entire team it’s insanity
i like how they changed 6v6 to 5v5 because of tank bottlenecking ques but its doing the same thing in 5v5 because just like in ow1… they cant balance it and nobody wants to play it😐
The worst part is that if you complain about counter swapping the other player gets an ego and thinks they’re good at the game. It’s actually the most frustrating thing to deal with playing tank. People genuinely think they’re good by standing in spawn waiting to pick the right hero
the only group of players that want 6v6 back are tank players, and its totally understable, imagine a fucking 4v4 or even 3v3, everyone would see what tank players see
I was full flex in OW1. 6 v 6 was far better and more fun for all roles. Nothing fun about playing DPS or support and fighting a 1 dimensional miniboss.
I think of it like OW1 is a soulslike, bosses aren't too high health but can shrek you, you have to be on your toes to not die. OWToo is like an MMO, enemy tank is easy to read, easy to counter, they just have a high health pool.
@@Deusaga
Yep. That pretty much sums it all up.
I played Rein the other day on Havana and got a solid 30/14/2 and like we had 2 minutes left. Then the next round started and had Zen, Ram, Bastion, Ana and Mei to just tell me to have zero fun. Tank is miserable because you by design have the most game impact.
most enjoyable experience i have on tank is when i leave voice and mute team and match chat so i can play what i want and what i think is best without having people screaming at me.
4:20 I remember experiencing a similar scenario. My DPS flamed me for not staying in front to make space, while my supports flamed me for not peeling them when they got dived. When in doubt, just blame the tank lmao.
Worst thing about ow2 in my opinion is that people counterswap in qp like bro I just wanna play genji
I used to main tank lol. Now I only play tank in quickplay games with my mic off. It doesn’t matter what you do as a tank, if your team loses, it’s your fault.
This entire video is a showcase of why 5v5 NEEDS to be removed sooner rather than later.
bro i quit this dogshit game long ago and as a tank main this is the best decision in my life
I never got to play OW1, but from what I’ve seen in videos, I can almost guarantee 6v6 would genuinely make things better
That’s literally the exact reason I started playing support exclusively in OW1, if you want something done you got to do it yourself
I feel you man. I wanna learn tank but it seems kinda hard these days. Im always cautious of what I do.
My issue with Tank is that I will always be put with bad DPS. I can carry without good supports, but I can't do ANYTHING with bad DPS. I get used as a meatshield so DPS can play TDM and take 1v1 L's back to back to back. Kids sit behind the cart watching me fight from a smart angle and dying with no heals and no DPS peel
needing to peel and push isnt rlly a problem in my experience i realise that if my dps cant handle a flanking tracer or sombra while being hard healed by supports its just a dps diff the problem with this is that its severly hard to climb as tank in solo queue because your heavily reliant on your teamates while your expected to do so much like get kills mitigate damage and frontline lmao i joined in overwatch 2 and i really would like to see how easier it would be if these roles were distributed evenly between 2 tanks
7:28 this is literally me. It sucks so much that I can’t have fun with my favorite tank anymore.
Tank is easily the most dreading role to play in overwatch there is absolutely nothing else to do if you are getting hard countered in higher lobbies than to counter swap which goes on till the end of the game. That's not an interesting or fun feature that's just a flaw of the terrible game design. If you are playing tank both you and the enemy tank usually end up playing a few tanks you swap on to and off from to counter the other with them usually being the exact same for both. Even the streamers people show as proof that there is no need for counter-swapping lose a majority of the games they don't counter-switch. I don't know how the tank experience was in Overwatch 1 because I didn't play it as much and generally played dps but I bet it was more fun than what we have now: the dilemma between just going on a counter-switching war or having fun playing what you want to play
This is why i dont touch tank, only tank i enjoy playing is dva and anyone can pick zarya and hold m1 and win the game without needing to have a single braincell
People wanna argue about counter-swapping being part of the game but will never touch tank to prove that it's fine lol
I hit top 500 last season as a Rein OTP. You would think if I could endure solo queuing Rein that I could persevere through anything but I deleted the game 4 days ago. My life has significantly improved.
Truer words have not been spoken, anyways keep it up. Hopefully Blizzard fixes their shit someday, in the meantime, i'll turn my "playing once a month" to i"'ll come back when they fix this" because i swear they didn't do shit since OW2 came out and somehow its getting/feeling worse now Dx
You are absolutely right, that talking point of the girl dva player hit the nail, overrwatch back then wasnt perfect either but to me anyways yes zarya countered dva even back then but the beauty of the game was that you could perform your role AND play who you like, i may not be able as dva to get rid of zarya but our rein could and i could in turn bodyguard our healers from flankers allowing our dps to shine. Its sad that Ana was the first hero to be hrelease after the first game came out and sinds then its was nose dive into the abyss, she was challenging and fun but after her it was one breaking the game hero after another.. its like the ppl who made the first left right away cuz Jesus man.. and then they make mauga cuz ppl are bitching that tanks dont do everything that 2 players used to do so make this op hero to maybe even it out. They dropped the ball eons ago . I truly miss the old days yeah we used to yell and curse alot i guess we just didnt know how good we had till we drop into this shitfest. We should have know safter 2 yrs of dive and 2 or more yrs of goats the game even in its prime was left behind cuz blizz was too busy trying to be the hotshot of esports they forgpt you need a good gsme for thst and a loyal fanbase. Ow 1 deserved better and so did we.. i have played sinds beta day 1 i saw all the changes as they happened . This is bs where we are now.
The only upside to ow2 compared to 1 is that it’s free to play.
I really hope the devs come up with a mode or rule for comp to limit each player to only three character swaps or at least a preset arsenal of characters to use each match. That way if someone counters my dva I can switch back after they go Zar no more than twice on me idk I’m trying to throw shit out there I just hate zar swappers
Ps thx for being the Eren Jaeger of overwatch
7:23 tf you just described me lol
Hey raiderrrrrr, Ty for speaking out about tank, I appreciate it since I’ve been playing a HORRID nerfed DBD killer for the past 2 years
I was just playing tank and lemme tell ya, the bullying is real.
I stopped playing OW2 soon after it came out because of the tank blame. I wasn't a huge OW fan anyway, but I always got the blame from the DPS and support even when it wasn't warranted so it left no reason to keep playing.
Honestly, the only thing to do is just stop playing tank. If they end up getting the "muh queue times" again, their biggest argument is gone. Sucks for tanks, but tank sucks already, so...
Almost teared up at the end, mother sea always gets me
Babe wake up, gs raider uploaded a video
Was playing ball in unranked and after the first round of me rolling them they swap to sombra, junkrat, brig and hog. I can't even have a small amount of enjoyment without getting hyper focus by a sombra with separation anxiety because they never leave me alone.
Overwatch 2 came at the cost of the tank role.
The amount of times the tank gets blamed when the other two roles can swap at least one person to help out is insane. We had a sombra that threw in comp cause they said it was our tanks fault for not aiming at their supports. While our tank is front lining and taking everything….instead of the sombra doing you know…her job and getting the back line. It’s insane. Only thing they killed was the pylon and themselves when they started throwing.
Expecting your tank to help your own back line, the front line, and everywhere is just a wild.
Tank is easily 1 v 9 cause it’s you against everyone even your own team
Another belter of a video king, how have Blizzard fucked up this badly? I redownloaded Overwatch and uninstalled after 3 hours or so. I just used to play Hog, D.va and Soldier, and what's the fucking point? Soldier is completely outclassed by the new DPS, any d.va game they'll just swap almost instantly, and playing hog in 5v5 is hell. Supports won't switch to help cleanse anti-nade, and I'd get flamed to fuck by the DPS or the supports for not making enough space or not peeling enough, such a shame to see this game going down the pan
Dead ass didn't expect another raider upload before 2025.. LETS GOOOO
I miss 6v6
As a previous tank main in overwatch 1 to now a support main in overwatch 2 now when I get into comp matches and see my team demanding the tank to switch it makes me feel bad for them because everyone just thinks that it’s the tanks fault but it’s like because of the 5v5 format (sorry for all you tank mains out there who are good but always have to switch to counter)
Wdym wanting 6v6 is just nostalgia and Blizz are smart and btw check out this Porsche
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I never thought much about playing tank since I usually just main supports and dps. Last season, I chose to start playing tank more and my god its just insufferable, especially the second point. The team always expects you to be the one to swap, even tho they are totally capable of swapping for characters that have high survivability and can also give us an advantage. Why is it always left to me to be the one that swaps to winston to take out enemy's widow when the dps can easily go sombra or genji or literally any character that can do the job as well. Why are supports playing ana and zen, characters with no mobility, into a widow that can just pick their slow ass. And why is it that dps are so dogwater that even when they counterpick they still cant win their 1v1s.
Not to mention, the amount of times ive gotten cursed out because my fucking team cant decide what they want me to do. I play with the team and my team wants to get on my ass for not being aggressive enough. I start going in being more aggressive picking off their dps and my team in the back dies and blames me for pushing. Like why ask me to go aggressive if you cant keep up.
At this point, i just play how i want
Quick play is no exception either, why tf so many looser counter play in QP? Like take you time bruh pop off
Duo'd with a tank player for the first time ever in ow2 the other day and felt his pain second hand, from his commentary + forced to play counter-watch the entire time. (I usually play with text chat and vc off for my own sanity, so i really got his whole experience when i had it on yesterday...) and man as a support/dps player i dont envy yall tank players one bit. That shits hot ass.
I tried returning to the game recently just to play tank. I've mained it since OW1 and it's just painful having to switch every other fight because I don't have a second tank to cover my hero's weaknesses. 5v5 has genuinely ruined the game, and double shield seriously isn't an issue anymore. They gotta bring 6v6 back.
And there’s the absolutely *FANTASTIC* Season 9 changes where they buffed everyone’s health pools, now tanks like Mauga and Hog get to walk around with effectively 2k health with their abilities.
You’d think tank would feel top tier after that, but counterswapping a solo tank still feels like 🐶 💩