As a first-generation immigrant who married and had children in Australia, I've never considered the importance of national identity. I left China because I didn't like it, though I can't recall exactly why I chose Australia - perhaps it was easier to immigrate here at the time. I work in Melbourne, and our family income is decent. I don't feel the need to identify as Australian, Chinese, or any other nationality. Why should one's sense of belonging be tied to a specific country? I find emotional attachments to national identity useless and potentially dangerous. My contributions to society are what matter: I work hard, pay taxes, smile at passersby, vote, help my community, and participate in the economy. Isn't that enough? Why should I need to "feel Australian" or identify with any particular nation? I believe the concept of immigration is positive. Voting with your feet is the best choice - go where life is good. (Though I wonder if this view might be considered un-Aussie? :) )
Australia is a home where half our people were born overseas or have a parent born overseas. A nation of people from more than 300 different ancestries and to the oldest continuous culture on the planet. Australia is an assembly of the world’s peoples. When Australians look out to the world, we see ourselves reflected in it. Equally, the world can see itself reflected in Australia. Infinite diversity in infinite combinations gives rise to infinite complexity, infinite resilience, infinite identity yet it all reveals the common truth of and fundamental reality of our common humanity and existential existence. We're all somebody's daughter, we're all somebody's son, no one is born evil, we're all in it together for better or worse. I often wonder what is the greatest insight Aussies living in our Great Southern Land can offer to the rest of the world and for me I think it's if not specifically the words it's the sentiment that we offered to each other when meeting for the very first time, G'day mate. To me it means exactly what it says on the tin. It's wishing someone well often whom we've never met before as an equal to someone we recognise as an equal with an open handed offer of a relationship on that basis to our mutual benefit with the possibility of a deep friendship. I consider myself most fortunate that although I am inhabitant of the Great Southern land the harshest and most difficult continent on Earth to inhabit other than Antarctica that I have a few such friendships, but know in my heart that when I and my fellow Australians are pushed to the limits, that all us Aussies have at the very least 26 million+ mates... ✌️☮️❤️🇦🇺🍻
@@AussieEnglishPodcastThat’s really welcoming! As a Brazilian man who brought up a beautiful family in Australia and give my contributions to society even feeling the odd racist looks from some whites, I really do appreciate your words!
@@Marco-Chalub What you interpret as racism can be something quite different. Interest, appreciation, in my case recognition. I've been challenged on occasion by Africans in Australia for looking at them a little intently. But when I explain why, they smile. I taught literacy to newly-arrived African, mainly Sudanese refugees for seven years. So I look in case it is one of those dear faces. Because they would now be adults, I have to look a little closely to match the memory of the teen's face.
Indonesian here but have lived in Australia for about 16 years now. Went here for uni after high school. I'm always fascinated with western culture and I tried my best to learn the Australian culture such as slangs, music, art, etc early on (I remember listening to Eskimo Joe and the local radio, watching Packed to the Rafters and Sea Patrol, making my own list of slangs and practicing it, etc.). I'm a PR but not an Australian citizen as my home country doesn't allow dual citizenship, which is why I don't call myself Australian, but I plan to get a citizenship in the future. The biggest complement from a white Australian friend was that I'm more Australian than a lot of people as I know a lot of things considered obscure by even people who were born here. I don't have an Aussie accent (mine is more like a mix, but in certain sentences I can sound quite Australian) but sometimes people just think I am an Australian by default until I corrected them, so it felt nice that my effort in learning about Australia has paid off. One of the biggest barrier I faced was that I don't like alcohol or sports, which are two things that Australians generally enjoy, and not being interested in either I feel some FOMO sometimes.
ABC here, with parents born in northeast China. I remember vividly the feeling of alienation by peer during my primary school years. People back then were just physically different, but as I grow older I learn that the distinctive difference is from our cultural differences. Being born in Australia but no recognition from my equivalents or even the ones born in the foreign UK, deep down I just don't consider myself Aussie and would never. I only do it for its social benefits, never trying to break social cohesion. Where Westerners value liberty, freedom of expression, and individuality, us Asians live with values of conformity, respect to authority, and social harmony so I definitely do think i'm stuck in this middle ground with no real identity. Never knowing which direction to step foot in, with neither truly owing a sense of familiarity to call home. I also would never fight for Australia. It's quite simple, why would I die from some country that does not recognise me as an 'Australian' but instantly assume that i'm 'Chinese'. (this was the worst in rural Queensland when I was going to Cape York, where fellow white Aussie strangers would mingle have have small talk but never to someone outside of that. They just give me the look. The most refined people are city dwellers, who are very subtle but I can tell, since subtlety is within our blood, that they want to know for their pleasure what type of 'asian' I am. Now many of them don't care, but when you hit the really white pockets in Penrith and Windsor, they just seem too curious for my liking. It's like they are trying to weave their way into getting to know my background.) This was the worst in High School where people could not tell the difference between ethnicity and nationality but it's an issue more convoluted than that. With recent mass Chinese migration here, it's to no surprise that I am labelled and thrown into the same bag as the fobs ('fresh off the boat' for you confused). I assume, many ethnics are standing on similar grounds to me, we consider ourselves Aussie, but it will never be normalised in society, being an oriental Aussie.
A Chinese saying: 物以类聚，人以群分。I came to Australia 5 years ago from China. My have no interest in pleasing any other one or became anyone else. I am proud of my Chinese identity, the achievement China has and I am being successful as an individual. I understand that you may feel hard because you grew up among different people. Hey, it's not whites' country, it's also your country. If it really becomes to bad one day, there is always another place on the earth to go. I've done it once, it's not too difficult to do it again.
You should try Brazil. Great people and most mixed looking people in the world. Asian looking are just as normal as anyone else. Great people! Australians should make more children experiments mixing ethnicities and one day everyone has a family member who looks different and that’s it
I'm a bit confused between your two statements: "deep down I just don't consider myself Aussie and would never" and "we consider ourselves Aussie". Maybe that uncertainty is projected to people you meet and puts them off a bit. I live in an apartment complex with multiple cultures. We enjoy each other's company, although it does take many new Chinese residents quite a while to get used to replying to a "hello" from other residents as they pass or in the lifts. I know that those cultural differences cause some of the other cultures here, especially the very open Filipinos, Kiwis and Pacific Islanders, to consider Chinese rude and arrogant. But after a while these people tend to meet in the middle - say hello to our Chinese friends and they will respond, but let them start a chat if they wish. I'm third generation Australian, with all my great-grandparents coming from Ireland and Scotland, so I have very light skin and eyes. I lived in Singapore for five years. I was always being asked if I was English, American, Canadian, Czech, Croatian, German, Dutch, French, Italian, etc. I was never insulted by that question, never felt it was intrusive or that the answer should have been obvious, because I couldn't tell the difference between those myself. I wonder if you could? I was just impressed that the person cared enough to get to know me a bit, to engage in a conversation with me. Your experience exists across the world, especially in very multicultural countries such as this. I found that by just being understanding of that reciprocity, not looking for insult in it, my life there was very much happier and I made many new friends.
I'm a bilingual first generation immigrant, able to speak/write English and Mandarin fluently, born in China but moved here when I was 8, and I grew up around a predominantly local Aussie suburb in Brisbane. Having lived here for 20 years, if you asked me whether I feel like an Australian or not, I would say mostly yes and sometimes no. Culturally speaking, there are some aspects which I feel very white, for example, I can go a whole week without eating Asian cuisine, and survive a whole fortnight of just eating Aussie, Mexican, American, Italian and French cuisine. In terms of the younger generation pop culture content, I don't really have the same interests as local Aussies at all. Things like playing Chinese/Japanese video games, watching anime and Korean dramas, listening to Japanese pop music are usually not things local Aussies are interested in. In addition, the interest in sports is also different, Chinese people really love basketball, Japanese and Korean really love baseball, which funnily enough, are all US sports. Local Aussies are more into National Rugby League in QLD and NSW, while Victorians love Australian Football League, and these are British/Aussie sports. However, my cultural values once again, aligns very much with local Aussies, for example, I don't support tiger parenting methods, I don't really agree with philosophies such as Confucianism and filial piety. I very much value the laid back lifestyle of Australians, and the egalitarian society here, and I buy into the tall poppy syndrome. Ideologically speaking, I also align fully with local Aussies, I support LGBTQ rights, freedom of speech, democracy and free market. So as you can see here, most of the time I certainly do feel like an Aussie, and I would sincerely hope the locals accept me as such, but of course, I cannot know for sure. Other times, I feel like a Chinese youth. It is this very combination of Asian and Caucasian culture, ideology and politics which causes me, and I'm sure a lot of other people to feel a little bit different from both Asian and Western societies. Because once you've learnt the foundations of Asian and Western societies, you will start to notice the good and bad in both, and naturally, you will become inclined to toss out the bad parts of both societies while combining the good parts of both societies at the same time, resulting in an ultimate mixed Oriental/Occidental mentality.
Awww~ I am a Chinese international student in Brisbane! I feel the same way as you do! I love just eating cuisine from different countries. I agree with what you just say! Yes, once you learn both sides, you start to acknowledge good and bad sides!!
But we all feel like that at times. Many "Aussies" don't like footy, etc. I have many "Aussie" friends who love anime. The beauty of Aussie culture is you do what gives you joy and peace, as long as it doesn't impinge on the joy and peace of others.
I talked to an Australian whose parents were both from Hong Kong. He said it was extremely difficult to visit Hong Kong/China as they called him a banana. They said he was yellow on the outside but white on the inside. He much preferred being in Australia.
Hey Pete, I think it would a great idea to have a Viet Aussie on your show for a q&a. Viet Aussies are definitely the representation of an “average” Asian Australian out there and they could shed some light on their average day to day life as an Asian aussie.
What is a Viet aussie? If you hold a Australian passport that would make you only Australian right? If there is one thing Australians hate is a Australian claiming there from two or more countries
@@fisho1288No, if you hold Australian passport, that doesn’t make you ONLY Australian. Well, even though some white Australians hold two passports tho and it is allowed by both countries’ laws. I met some Australians have both UK and Australian passports. Some have both American and Australian passports. Why they can claim they are from two countries, the Viet Australians can’t? This is double standard. I don’t get it.
I lived and worked in Sydney for 8 years (I'm from Spain), and I had the opportunity to interact with colleagues from diverse backgrounds, including Indian, Aussie-Asian, Aussie-Muslim, Aussie-Latin, and Australian. What I learned during that time is that what are often referred to as 'Western values and traditions' can be quite different from, and sometimes incompatible with, other cultures like Indian or Asian. Indian, Muslim, and Asian cultures have a strong sense of belonging to their cultural roots. As a result, individuals growing up in Australia within these cultural contexts may find it challenging to fully embrace Australian culture and values, which can often contradict their original cultural beliefs
Yeah, that's the big issue I think many western countries are battling with. We want to have a diverse community in terms of culture, race, religion, etc. but we shouldn't be aiming for diverse values. We want people who come here to share our values and hold to them no matter what other backgrounds they have.
The White or European Australia policy lasted until 1973, just like segregation in the United States lasted until 1964. However, it’s clear that echoes of these policies still resonate today.
Aussie Asian here. Migrated here as a kid, and despite looking Asian, I'm culturally Aussie, sound Aussie but can speak other languages too. I'm happy to be friends with anyone of other ethnicities, but notice only other Asian Aussies that grew up here befriend me. White Aussie blokes like me, but the women avoid me, which sux because I want a diverse mix of female friends. When I was overseas recently the locals know I am a "foreigner" because of my body language and clothes.
Well, being a Muslim woman, people always assume that you can't speak English. The first question people will ask is, "Where are you from from?". And I am unable to wrap my head around this integration. If learning the language with Aussie accent, getting education at a uni, paying taxes, and having a reputable career are not considered integration, then what is bloody integration? Due to religious reasons, I don't drink alcohol or party but there are many "aussies" who don't drink or don't like to party so are they excluded and labelled as the others and blamed of not assimilating?.
We who don't drink don't get invited anywhere regardless of ethnicity. I was uninvited from the work Christmas party because "you don't drink and aren't missing out Liz". They couldn't understand why I didn't chip in for any workplace events after that.
I'm not Chinese obviously, but have many friends who are, and my wife is Chinese-Indonesian, some Chinese I've met will avoid any communication with anyone who's not Chinese, but most of the time it's not racism that's the problem, more fear of not being able to communicate, other Chinese I know have no trouble and have many friends who are not Chinese, so really it depends how much effort you choose to make.
I am an Indian who was born and raised in a white area back in the 90s(Southern Sydney). When i went to primary school there was maybe 3 or 4 ethnics in total for all for Kindergaten to Yr6(Might of been little bit more when i finished yr 6 my memory isnt that good so i cant remember i just remember my year). When i went to High School, the was defs a bump in all sorts of groups, in my year maybe 20 or 30 were Asian out of the 100. SO personally for me growing up since i live in a prominently white area, I was one of 2 families in my street that was of Indian decent and there was an young asian couple with kids that were several years young then me. My surrounding neighbours were Australia and they always made me feel more Australian growing up. I defs felt more Australian then i was of Indian or Asian origins. I guess too this day i still identify first as Australian then Indian/Asian. (Dont even get me started on this Indian are not Asians hate that i had to deal with in High School) Later on in life i met people in uni that grew up in Western Sydney where the population was mixed. The community and culture was strong that side of town so they even had their localised schoolings in the west (for example, Chines School and Indian School etc) So they defs felt more close to their background then they were Australian. I am more envious in my later years cause i never got to learn the language only bits and pieces from my parents and they didnt see the value in travelling 2hrs on weekends to attend Hindi school to learn Hindi) Even know in my adult life, I have more white Australian Friends then i do of my Asian friends. Even now my area is slowly changing there is less white Australian and more multiculturism. (This was often a bad thing in my area. I STILL remember the casual racism and odd looks I'd get from elderly white Australians - yes i said casual racism, that how i grew up with it so i use that term others may not use that term and to be thats just a personal preference) So other people may have different experiences, some say they dont mix with white australians, But for me i have very well mixed with the white Australians. And Yes I grew with the comment of its how you was brought up. Even recalling I remember even in primary school we had Cultural Days where we bought in home made food. Even today - if I bring in lunch ill share it with close personal friends (yes they are white australian) and they love it and often ask to come over to eat more haha. I want to write more but i think i have said enough. If you have any more questions i am more then happy to answer them.
I love you bringing this topic to this channel! I am so glad to hear the different Asian Aussie’s voices. As a China Chinese myself, I definitely agree some of that dude (Chinese Australian’s points of view) I am a Chinese who were born and raised in China but moved to Australia for Uni, most of my frens are Chinese Australians, Vietnameses and Chinese international students. I agree with one point this dude made. Some white Aussies did ignore me when I firstly arrived to Australia and lived in the student accomodation. When a white girl (also the new person who moved to Australia) tried to hold a party and invited people to go to her party, she just skipped me and asked another white girl who sit next to me. And when there was social events happening, some white Aussies tended to stick and sit with their own groups. When I sit with one of the girls, she changed her seat immediately. 😅😅😅 I would say i am definitely an open minded person even though i am not perfect and i have things to work on, even though I was born and raised in China, but I have parents who love travelling and I have been to Australia and New Zealand twice before I study here, I have been to Singapore, Korea, Thailand, European countries as well. Even til now I speak fluent English (I studied education and I am required to speak fluent English with clear accent), all my frens are just Vietnamese Australians, Chinese Australians, Vietnamese international students and mainland Chinese international students. My bestie is from Taiwan. I am also really glad one of my close frens are a rural Aussie because she is really nice, sweet and smiley~ One of my Viet frens also told me some of her frustrations, which are some white Aussies don’t really wanna talk to her when they know she is from Vietnam.
Seriously I don’t think it should matter where a person comes from. If you’re open and friendly with the population then people will automatically include you and be friendly back. In saying that their are, as in all nations, certain people that you just can’t get close to regardless how long you’ve lived here so the best idea is to give them a wide berth and just do your best to meet like minded people and enjoy yourself. Aussies are pretty open especially if you’re willing to meet them halfway.
You got it ,after reading some of this self centred crap I realise they don't get what it is to be an Aussie. You are so right you don't see the face you feel the person and take them for what they are .That's what a traditional Aussie of many generations does.
Asian Australian. Been here for 39 years. Often times I don't get treated as a "true aussie". I face racism often, and get treat treated differently often. I've had "white Aussie" friends display implicit racism or superiority.
This was an interesting topic. I've been having kind of a belonging crisis myself. I am from Bolivia (living in Australia) and according to people from other countries I don't look Bolivian enough (whatever that means). We know our history and even though there are indigenous people nowadays, most people are mixed race. Also, I'm a biologist, and so far studies have shown that humans share so much on their genomes, that the race talk sometimes means just geographically distance differences and allele variation related to some phenotypes (how we look), so in that context race doesn't exist. But then we have cultural diversity and legacy and that makes everything more complicated. Olympic games have triggered me a bit because I knew that our 4 representatives wouldn't win (we never win in anything) and then I found myself cheering up to other countries I like, and also envying them because it must feel nice to have a strong country identity and be proud of it. Not that I'm not proud of being bolivian, but sometimes I have felt in my own country that I didn't belong there. And if I want to love more the culture and the indigenous people, they might acuse me of cultural appropriation. So where do I stand? Is an identity subjective to where we feel comfortable? Or does it come from our looks and cultural inheritance? Sometimes I want to feel like I belong to somewhere, and other times I just feel like the whole world is my home. I don't have answers to anything rn, I guess my crisis is still on going
Yeah you've raised some really interesting points, mate. I think many migrants experience the same type of thing. My wife's a good example. She's from Brazil but having not been home in about a decade now and being so distance from the culture, the news, everything going on back there, she feels less and less connected. She still considers herself Brazilian obviously, but now that she's an Australian citizen, it's interesting when she talks about where she feels she fits.
I would love to consider myself as Australian. But as in the video said, the reality is that I feel excluded through my entire life in Australia. asian Australian are normally not recognised as Australian, at school at work at general social society. that includes South, East and Middle East, the stereotype is always where you really from? That type of thing but if you are white no matter where you from ,you are accepted straight away or even you are black, you are more easily accepted as Australian no one would doubt you. Like we don’t call others Irish, Swedish or German Australian, but if you are Asian straight away you will be in a sub group of a sub group, Chinese Australian, Korean Australian, Pakistani Australian etc, there is a “where you from” title in front of your Australian title. That is the reality of acceptance in Australia, and that is if you are in major cities like sydney, Melbourne and so on, if you are in rural area or remote areas, good luck, you can be more Aussie than Aussie, you are a foreigner for sure.
I’m an Australian living in Singapore for 10 years and I can assure you Caucasian people here are never considered real locals even if long time or permanent residents, it’s just the way it goes. Chinese are the majority here and the majority rules unfortunately. Not saying I agree with it personally
I came and migrated to Perth from China in 2012. I entered Uni not high school. I didn't find any difficulty with "white" Australians. There were a lot of internationals in the Uni. And I don't think there is a mainstream in Australia anyway. My white Australian friends don't read news anyway...
some cultures have a very small community and so maybe that’s why i personally haven’t seen this as an ethnic issue but rather a cultural phenomenon. because as humans we generally gravitate towards people who look, talk, and think like ourselves which is probably how these “cliques” form but from my experience, they don’t gatekeep just because you don’t look or talk like them most of the time they are very welcoming if you have the same interests and a likeable personality. tldr: op has a social skill issue and needs to touch grass
Of course they do. Same as anybody who has come here and put down roots. My wife is from Hong Kong and my kids are all grown up now. We mix with many other couples with mixed parentage, its pretty normal now. What I see as odd is those couples who stick to their own cultural circle. I am the child of European non-British migrants. My older brother and I felt outside for most of our life, but my younger brother did not. By the time he was growing up there were several later waves of migrants which moved the bar along. The migrants who now might feel more on the fringe are the African migrants but I notice the African school kids are fitting in just like we did eventually by high school. It is whatever feels normal to each generation.
Having parents from 2 different backgrounds tend to make kids more Aussie. I'm Chilean born and my wife is Chinese, but our kids only speak English because teaching them Mandarin or Spanish is simply impractical at home, because you tend to speak the language that everyone understands: English.
Yeah sounds like my story with my wife. She's Brazilian and our kids are obviously a mix. I remember when she did her DNA test she discovered she was like 15% native American, 15% west African, and the rest was from all over western Europe. Must be so weird having DNA from 3 different continents and thinking about identity and belonging. I think it goes to show it's more about your surroundings than race or DNA though.
Burmese-Thai-Karen/Australian here. I came here when I was 24 yo. Even if I speak English with a thick accent, I feel as Aussie as anyone else. My network of friends are very multicultural, so I don't ever feel as an outcast. If I don't click with any group of people, it would be due to other reasons than the perception of being rejected due to my race or nationality.
@@biravijnya Very cool! I've been learning loads about the experience of expats living there recently from a channel called Thairish times. It's definitely made me wanna visit and experience the culture. You guys always seem so friendly when I meet you!
@@AussieEnglishPodcast Yes, I recommend you visit here and unlock your secret tastebuds xD There's lots of beautiful places in Thailand as well, such as temples, historical parks, beaches, mountains and so on. And yeah, for the most part, Thai people are laid back and easygoing. They're willing to help, when you have a problem. I'm also a subbie to an Aussie/Thai channel called Thai Talk with Paddy. He's based in Sydney and used to live in northern Thailand for quite a while. I've learned lots of cross cultural content from his channel. Highly recommend, if you'd like you learn more about Thailand :)
Can not be mixed. I am Korean-Australian, lived here 22years. More than half of my life. I can pretend I am getting along with white aussie. It’s not the matter of good or bad, just different. Far different. Sometimes they are too good. Sometimes they are too bad. It all because of differences. Main problem is the way of feeling which coming from their own background. Good gesture from other races might be considered as uncomfortable things. But that’s just micro, too tiny, not worth it mentioning, but that makes it big differences eventually. I believe.
My daughter (she's 5th generation Aussie) at uni had to take around 15 international students to the office to complain about harassment from one of the so-called white Australians. The problem with the horrendous racial harassment was the person doing this wasn't Australian-born. So, as someone once said to me, "What is an Australian?". Don't always assume that because they have white skin, they hold Australian values. I'm 60 and went to school in Marrickville, which in the 1970s had a huge immigrant population. In our class of 41 girls, there were 28 different nationalities. 7 so-called Australians. We loved all the nationalities particularly on international food days and learning cultural days. Immigration and acceptance of other nationalities is not new to most "Australians" but can be new to the immigrants.
G'day, I was born in Brisbane in 1964, and I leaved the country, with my french parents, at the age of five month. I've been visiting Australia last year for the first time since I leaved, during six weeks, it was an amazing trip. For I've got Australian citizenship I pretended to be Australian, however my english is very bad. I'd love to get back, aussies are nice and the country is stunning.
Korean-Australian here. Born and raised in Melbourne. Never felt like I belonged here, or anywhere for that matter. This is the closest thing I have to a home and I know I'll never belong.
Really? IMHO it's the mindset. Maybe you should have grown up in the countryside. Ethnics tend to pick up the Aussie vibes faster in the country, ie make friends with "white" Aussies much easily.
You have the problem we generational Aussies apart from a few bogans know it's the right thing to accept anybody from anywhere ,all depends on YOUR mindset.
@RUHappyATM @soma4u289 This is a pretty petty example, but it illustrates my experience the best. In classes at uni, I'll be the one to instigate conversation with the table, and every single time, everybody uses that as an opportunity to start conversing with each other while refusing to acknowledge me or look me in the eye. But yes, it's MY fault for not trying hard enough
as far as im concerned i like Asians they are hard working none violent and thier babies are always so cute, together we make a good team just dont overtake us...
But yeah. Friendship is both way street~so all my friendships work because we both make efforts to get along with each other. Even though sometimes some people from different nationalities are not too considerate but that doesn’t mean that you should give up making frens with people from different cultures.
I remember an Airbnb host on the Gold Coast last year. I was with my Chinese-Australian friend, and the host repeatedly said, "But you are not Aussie." My friend politely corrected her again and again. It was terrible and horrible to imagine that he had to experience this kind of "You are not Aussie" moment daily. If I were born in Australia, I would have depressingly said, "Yeah, I'm a fake Aussie…," felt inferior, and hated my own country.
I'm really sorry to hear that you've experienced this 😔 I'm white, grew up in Australia and probably didn't realise how hard it was for kids who weren't white.
Hey man You are such a great bloke! Love watching your videos! Thanks for sharing sentiments! I am Viet-Australian! Love to be friended with you. If you are coming to Brisbane, please let me know - I will take you fishing on my boat! Sam
15 years ago my Malaysian Chinese wife was working for Qantas Engineering. She had access to the planes. What a job she had and I so much envied her for that. One day she came home and asked me that one of her colleagues in a conversation mentioned someone (not her) and called her "an old slapper". I asked her specifically was to directed to her where she denied so I lost it and laughed. I explained it to her that this being an Australian term of a very promiscuous woman. The light bulb in her head lit up and she smiled and chuckled. I still laugh at that moment. One of the few moments that you so much want in memory.
As a half Japanese and Korean singaporean living in Australia. I can confirm that both Asia and Australia are my home. I feel like singaporean because I was born in Singapore. The second hometown is Australia for me. But I love this place and feel patriotism as Australian. No more immigration here
Well, you might be a second generation of immigrant. So this is a bit weird that why there is no more immigration????? By the way, except indigenous Australians, all other Australians’ ancestors are from different countries. So you guys are all second third or fourth immigrants here. I don’t think this is an inclusive mindset to be honest.
It’s no different than anyone migrating anywhere. If I, as a white Australian, migrated to New Zealand, or the UK, or Canada, or the US, there would be cultural differences, but it think it would be fairly easy to integrate into their culture, lifestyle, sensibilities, and societal expectations. If however I migrated to Japan, or South Korea, or Namibia, or Russia, I would have to put in one hell of an effort to assimilate. If I didn’t make the effort, then than would be on me, and not the fault of my adopted country or its people. For example if I entirely rejected the local music, TV, and movies, which are a huge part of a culture, but instead stuck to Australian only material, I could hardly blame the local people if we can’t converse over pop culture. Integrate, or go home.
My European country men say Australia is 50 years behind the European mainstream, Aussies say i have an accent. I learned English from a book, it's not my mother's tongue. My friend Clivy Sam said if the white fellows don't want you, we'll have you. Thanks' Clive, you never sang me a woman you promised.
As a Vietnamese, I know more history about South Asians ( Indians, Bangladesh and Pakistan ) because they do fit in the “Asian” category. A lot of migrant Asian parents who come into Australia have no history about the rest of Asia, they’ve only been taught about their culture identity in their own birth country.
Sorry, not Asian. I grew up as a second generation immigrants in the UK and never learnt anything other than English. From mid teens got treated as a foreigner and by my late teen couldn’t take it left for Australia. Now first generation Australian, with Dutch in-laws and Philippines cousins. Don’t like sports or watch it either as does none of the family members. Best comment I can think of is that my daughter could not name a single Chinese person when asked even though her best friend at all through school clearly was! Somehow we’ve managed to integrate well! NSW in Oz 🇦🇺
Filipinos are the most westernised Asians. They're also mostly Christians or Catholics like white Australians. They also love American music and dance. That's probably why they can get along easier with white Australians. More things in common culture wise. As for assimilating into the Australian culture, it's a double edged sword for us. some Australian born Asians assimilated so well that they become racist to their own race. Internalised racism is the term I believe. They're actually making the effort to disown their culture and heritage to be seen as one of the true blue Aussies. I have seen local born Asians mocking immigrants accent the way racist white people would do. Some Asian women even refused to date their own race because they don't want people to think they're dating their own brother. What kind of fucked up logic is that? I have never thought the same race couples must be in an incestuous relationship.
The best exotic voice Japanese girl with a irish accent then worked as a nurse people from all over the world the Aussie accent sounds great as long its not the Aussie female bogan accent , Aussie accent sound great on Asians it suites them.
That's not my experience at all. I know an ABC who I work with and he's the life of the party and considered the stand up comedian when with other Australians at work. His social skills are on par or higher to the average Aussie. Being Italian Australian, I am more the observer while seeing this all unfold before me. I guess it's easier for me to blend in than others not having the European heritage. But he does extremely well or better than myself in most settings
It's complicated to see this happen. I'm not asian (I'm african ) but it's very difficult to see these kind of things happen. I want to go to Australia someday and I wonder if in Down Under there's more racism than in US or UK.
@@asjeot Wrong. I would not feel comfortable at all doing that and I would do my best to respectfully learn the language of the country as I could. Truly.
For asians, it is high huddle to get a role making sure you have enough experience or qualification but for westerners, you can switch roles so easily without having any relevant experiences and of course the salary is much higher and increase much quicker. why is that?
I am a mid-aged Chinese man who is studying a master degree in Adelaide. After I came here, I tried to communicate with Aussies proactively. But I found that most of them did not interest in me. Thus, most of my friends are international students from other countries. Sometimes I would go to pub or club. Sometimes I would be yell "Ching" or "Fuck China" by strangers. HAHA
Just wondering as a 60yr old white Australian if the role were reversed and I moved to China, India or many of the other Asian countries would I ever be accepted as being that nationality regardles of how many years that I lived there ? The level of acceptance and tolerance expected from citizens of western nations regrdless of race or religous beliefs seems to be a one way street. During my working career (I retired after being caught in Africa when covid19 hit) my family and I lived in a number of countries across the middle east and in southern Africa while working on various projects., Although we were never treated badly being westerners at no time did we ever feel fully welcome or were we invited into the inner circles of society in any of those countries. We tended to form our own social groups which were made up of other expat westerners similar to what immigrants do here by forming pockets of the same nationality eventually taking over whole suburbs. Flooding the place with the high level of immigration as this govt. has been doing since covid ended is not the way to ensure that people are assimilated into society and that will result in these cultural barriers becoming even greater. Thats got to be a real concern for this country especially with the clouds that are building on the horizon from that part of the world.,
We convicts had no choice and made the best life we could here as well. If we all didn't get on with each other then this country would not have existed for you to come and have a definitely better life than you would have had elsewhere. Take it on the chin ,real Aussies(we are basically an easy going bunch of misfits) will accept you and your funny habits no matter where you come from. It's not a contest just share the Aussie party spirit and no one will even notice your face.
I'm a first generation south East Asian migrated here since mid 90s. You wouldn't believe how many 2nd or third generation oz-Asians have harassed me as if they are white Aussies even more so than white Australians. Yes! Younger white Australians may have upset me. Other than that, I feel that white Australians are still kind of racist but in a subtle way. They'd try to act as having more equality and big hearts at least but I still feel some racism in workforce or schools or any environment. Correct me if Im wrong
I can see my half Asian daughter has no issues making friends anywhere... but I can see my wife's fully asian son seems to be just weird and has difficulty making friends. For myself I am one of those people who doesnt identify, the concept of an identity is foreign to me. But I can see my wife's son has issues, its almost like he is trying to fit in instead of living his life.
Born and raised in Sydney, spent my whole life here for almost 35 years. My family ancestry for the most part is from south east Asia and here’s my take on what I’ve encountered. Most Asians here in Australia that I’ve met whether it’s socially or at work do tend to be culturally influenced by their ethnic roots due to their home upbringing and most asians do keep to it. Also generally Asian migrants who have been here for a long time and asians who have been BROUGHT up in Australia DO assimilate well to the social norms/easy going way of life and do conform to the rules and regulations. So that’s the upside to it. The downside is there’s a combination of many things, in terms of the question ‘feel aussie’ I mean I can only answer from my perspective and those that are close to me who are of Asian background. To feel Aussie as in am I proud to be an Australian, honestly to tell you the truth I could care less, it’s not going change me for who i am as a person. To feel Aussie as in am I patriotic? NOT particularly. Because I will never have a DEEP connection to the land that I am stepping on and also the land of Australia is NOT the land of my forefathers. The other downside is that people in Australia assume that Aussie people automatically means white Anglo-european. Which couldn’t be further from the truth, because most of us know the true Australians are our Indigenous people. And this is NOT lost on Asians as most asians are socially aware of this. When you say aussie people is ONLY referring to white people, what do you expect? of course they’re going to NOT feel aussie or they’re NOT going to care all that much. So this needs to change if you want people from all over the world who call Australia a permanent home to ‘feel aussie’ regardless of how they look. Lastly due to the downside that I’ve mentioned, that’s the reason why most asians who have been brought in Australia tend to stick with other Asians as a way of playing it safe as they can relate and vibe well with each other. Whereas in my observation white Anglo people, generally not all tend to look at Asians as foreigners even though they were born and raised in the country, they will display in both overtly or in the most subtle way.
Pete No offense taken ✋, I've never traveled to Aussie and any other countries tbh, so it takes a while for me to process how minors feel abt living in white-majority countries including in Aussie 🇦🇺 along with the diverse cultures there 🤕🤕🤕
The name Australia never excisted before British settlement and development so it only natural that Anglo saxon - celtic Australian's will alway's concider themselve's the true Aussies ,because ,WE ARE !!!
A Australian with a Australian passport would make them Australian we had imagination we just need the integration. I have never seen ChinaAustralia on a map?
First of all when you say Australians what do you mean by it. You guys are also white Aussie. If some one can really claim, it's only Indigenous. But it's working opposite here.
Talking about racism while spreading stereotypes about Russia. I suggest you look up "List of countries by alcohol consumption per capita". It's not even in top 30.
Feel comfortable in you skin. Stop trying to be something else then feel sorry that u are not good at it. I would happy to tell my European friends that I don't like half of the things they like and appreciate the facts that I do like things that they don't. I m as an Aussie as anyone else so stop defind what is it that make one more Aussies. Evidently, I paid tax just as much if not more so everyone should quit feeling superiority too.
It makes me sad because Australia is a cultural melting pot... but we are also one of the most racist countries in the world. Why can't we embrace beautiful things like diversity? Sigh.
I don't know. I wouldn't say we're one of the most racist countries in the world, though, racism exists here for sure. If Australia was one of the most racist places in the world, I don't think we'd have migrants coming here like we do. They'd just avoid the place.
Beautiful things like diversity? Does that beautiful diversity include people that come from violent cultures? Does that beautiful diversity include people who are let into Australia who let alone don’t align with our values, despise our values and have no respect for our culture?
We welcome everybody to this country, its built on immigration but cn you please stop appropriating the word "Aussie". They are welcomes as Australians. They are not Aussies. Aussies are Anglo Australians. The largest demographic and the people who built the country. The name evolved through colonial times and two world wars. Its ours. They are Australian and welcomed as equals and brothers and sisters but they are NOT Aussies. Thank you.
As a first-generation immigrant who married and had children in Australia, I've never considered the importance of national identity. I left China because I didn't like it, though I can't recall exactly why I chose Australia - perhaps it was easier to immigrate here at the time.
I work in Melbourne, and our family income is decent. I don't feel the need to identify as Australian, Chinese, or any other nationality. Why should one's sense of belonging be tied to a specific country? I find emotional attachments to national identity useless and potentially dangerous.
My contributions to society are what matter: I work hard, pay taxes, smile at passersby, vote, help my community, and participate in the economy. Isn't that enough? Why should I need to "feel Australian" or identify with any particular nation?
I believe the concept of immigration is positive. Voting with your feet is the best choice - go where life is good. (Though I wonder if this view might be considered un-Aussie? :) )
can't agree more
It only takes one generation, if you have kids they will be australian af
It's definitely not un-Australian, it is exactly Aussie - "you do you." Cheers.
@@DanielW-x4v Some of these whingers won't let their kids mix or they might pick up a bad habit from the locals ,that's their problem!
Australia is a home where half our people were born overseas or have a parent born overseas. A nation of people from more than 300 different ancestries and to the oldest continuous culture on the planet.
Australia is an assembly of the world’s peoples.
When Australians look out to the world, we see ourselves reflected in it.
Equally, the world can see itself reflected in Australia.
Infinite diversity in infinite combinations gives rise to infinite complexity, infinite resilience, infinite identity yet it all reveals the common truth of and fundamental reality of our common humanity and existential existence.
We're all somebody's daughter, we're all somebody's son, no one is born evil, we're all in it together for better or worse.
I often wonder what is the greatest insight Aussies living in our Great Southern Land can offer to the rest of the world and for me I think it's if not specifically the words it's the sentiment that we offered to each other when meeting for the very first time, G'day mate. To me it means exactly what it says on the tin. It's wishing someone well often whom we've never met before as an equal to someone we recognise as an equal with an open handed offer of a relationship on that basis to our mutual benefit with the possibility of a deep friendship. I consider myself most fortunate that although I am inhabitant of the Great Southern land the harshest and most difficult continent on Earth to inhabit other than Antarctica that I have a few such friendships, but know in my heart that when I and my fellow Australians are pushed to the limits, that all us Aussies have at the very least 26 million+ mates...
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Well said.
@@AussieEnglishPodcastThat’s really welcoming! As a Brazilian man who brought up a beautiful family in Australia and give my contributions to society even feeling the odd racist looks from some whites, I really do appreciate your words!
cope lol
@@Marco-Chalub What you interpret as racism can be something quite different. Interest, appreciation, in my case recognition.
I've been challenged on occasion by Africans in Australia for looking at them a little intently. But when I explain why, they smile. I taught literacy to newly-arrived African, mainly Sudanese refugees for seven years. So I look in case it is one of those dear faces. Because they would now be adults, I have to look a little closely to match the memory of the teen's face.
Indonesian here but have lived in Australia for about 16 years now. Went here for uni after high school. I'm always fascinated with western culture and I tried my best to learn the Australian culture such as slangs, music, art, etc early on (I remember listening to Eskimo Joe and the local radio, watching Packed to the Rafters and Sea Patrol, making my own list of slangs and practicing it, etc.).
I'm a PR but not an Australian citizen as my home country doesn't allow dual citizenship, which is why I don't call myself Australian, but I plan to get a citizenship in the future. The biggest complement from a white Australian friend was that I'm more Australian than a lot of people as I know a lot of things considered obscure by even people who were born here.
I don't have an Aussie accent (mine is more like a mix, but in certain sentences I can sound quite Australian) but sometimes people just think I am an Australian by default until I corrected them, so it felt nice that my effort in learning about Australia has paid off. One of the biggest barrier I faced was that I don't like alcohol or sports, which are two things that Australians generally enjoy, and not being interested in either I feel some FOMO sometimes.
ABC here, with parents born in northeast China. I remember vividly the feeling of alienation by peer during my primary school years. People back then were just physically different, but as I grow older I learn that the distinctive difference is from our cultural differences.
Being born in Australia but no recognition from my equivalents or even the ones born in the foreign UK, deep down I just don't consider myself Aussie and would never. I only do it for its social benefits, never trying to break social cohesion.
Where Westerners value liberty, freedom of expression, and individuality, us Asians live with values of conformity, respect to authority, and social harmony so I definitely do think i'm stuck in this middle ground with no real identity. Never knowing which direction to step foot in, with neither truly owing a sense of familiarity to call home.
I also would never fight for Australia. It's quite simple, why would I die from some country that does not recognise me as an 'Australian' but instantly assume that i'm 'Chinese'. (this was the worst in rural Queensland when I was going to Cape York, where fellow white Aussie strangers would mingle have have small talk but never to someone outside of that. They just give me the look. The most refined people are city dwellers, who are very subtle but I can tell, since subtlety is within our blood, that they want to know for their pleasure what type of 'asian' I am. Now many of them don't care, but when you hit the really white pockets in Penrith and Windsor, they just seem too curious for my liking. It's like they are trying to weave their way into getting to know my background.)
This was the worst in High School where people could not tell the difference between ethnicity and nationality but it's an issue more convoluted than that.
With recent mass Chinese migration here, it's to no surprise that I am labelled and thrown into the same bag as the fobs ('fresh off the boat' for you confused).
I assume, many ethnics are standing on similar grounds to me, we consider ourselves Aussie, but it will never be normalised in society, being an oriental Aussie.
A Chinese saying: 物以类聚，人以群分。I came to Australia 5 years ago from China. My have no interest in pleasing any other one or became anyone else. I am proud of my Chinese identity, the achievement China has and I am being successful as an individual. I understand that you may feel hard because you grew up among different people. Hey, it's not whites' country, it's also your country. If it really becomes to bad one day, there is always another place on the earth to go. I've done it once, it's not too difficult to do it again.
You should try Brazil. Great people and most mixed looking people in the world. Asian looking are just as normal as anyone else. Great people!
Australians should make more children experiments mixing ethnicities and one day everyone has a family member who looks different and that’s it
spot on thats what ive been trying to say and it can hurt Australians (european) when asians want authority over them and westerners do not,
I'm a bit confused between your two statements: "deep down I just don't consider myself Aussie and would never" and "we consider ourselves Aussie". Maybe that uncertainty is projected to people you meet and puts them off a bit.
I live in an apartment complex with multiple cultures. We enjoy each other's company, although it does take many new Chinese residents quite a while to get used to replying to a "hello" from other residents as they pass or in the lifts. I know that those cultural differences cause some of the other cultures here, especially the very open Filipinos, Kiwis and Pacific Islanders, to consider Chinese rude and arrogant. But after a while these people tend to meet in the middle - say hello to our Chinese friends and they will respond, but let them start a chat if they wish.
I'm third generation Australian, with all my great-grandparents coming from Ireland and Scotland, so I have very light skin and eyes. I lived in Singapore for five years. I was always being asked if I was English, American, Canadian, Czech, Croatian, German, Dutch, French, Italian, etc. I was never insulted by that question, never felt it was intrusive or that the answer should have been obvious, because I couldn't tell the difference between those myself. I wonder if you could? I was just impressed that the person cared enough to get to know me a bit, to engage in a conversation with me.
Your experience exists across the world, especially in very multicultural countries such as this. I found that by just being understanding of that reciprocity, not looking for insult in it, my life there was very much happier and I made many new friends.
@@Marco-Chalub People are not lab rats for genetic experiments.
I'm a bilingual first generation immigrant, able to speak/write English and Mandarin fluently, born in China but moved here when I was 8, and I grew up around a predominantly local Aussie suburb in Brisbane. Having lived here for 20 years, if you asked me whether I feel like an Australian or not, I would say mostly yes and sometimes no.
Culturally speaking, there are some aspects which I feel very white, for example, I can go a whole week without eating Asian cuisine, and survive a whole fortnight of just eating Aussie, Mexican, American, Italian and French cuisine.
In terms of the younger generation pop culture content, I don't really have the same interests as local Aussies at all. Things like playing Chinese/Japanese video games, watching anime and Korean dramas, listening to Japanese pop music are usually not things local Aussies are interested in.
In addition, the interest in sports is also different, Chinese people really love basketball, Japanese and Korean really love baseball, which funnily enough, are all US sports. Local Aussies are more into National Rugby League in QLD and NSW, while Victorians love Australian Football League, and these are British/Aussie sports.
However, my cultural values once again, aligns very much with local Aussies, for example, I don't support tiger parenting methods, I don't really agree with philosophies such as Confucianism and filial piety. I very much value the laid back lifestyle of Australians, and the egalitarian society here, and I buy into the tall poppy syndrome. Ideologically speaking, I also align fully with local Aussies, I support LGBTQ rights, freedom of speech, democracy and free market.
So as you can see here, most of the time I certainly do feel like an Aussie, and I would sincerely hope the locals accept me as such, but of course, I cannot know for sure. Other times, I feel like a Chinese youth. It is this very combination of Asian and Caucasian culture, ideology and politics which causes me, and I'm sure a lot of other people to feel a little bit different from both Asian and Western societies. Because once you've learnt the foundations of Asian and Western societies, you will start to notice the good and bad in both, and naturally, you will become inclined to toss out the bad parts of both societies while combining the good parts of both societies at the same time, resulting in an ultimate mixed Oriental/Occidental mentality.
Awww~ I am a Chinese international student in Brisbane! I feel the same way as you do! I love just eating cuisine from different countries. I agree with what you just say! Yes, once you learn both sides, you start to acknowledge good and bad sides!!
Ozzie as!
But we all feel like that at times. Many "Aussies" don't like footy, etc. I have many "Aussie" friends who love anime. The beauty of Aussie culture is you do what gives you joy and peace, as long as it doesn't impinge on the joy and peace of others.
I talked to an Australian whose parents were both from Hong Kong. He said it was extremely difficult to visit Hong Kong/China as they called him a banana. They said he was yellow on the outside but white on the inside. He much preferred being in Australia.
He is a banana 🍌
Hey Pete, I think it would a great idea to have a Viet Aussie on your show for a q&a. Viet Aussies are definitely the representation of an “average” Asian Australian out there and they could shed some light on their average day to day life as an Asian aussie.
Here you go, mate. aussieenglish.com.au/ae-748-interview-how-vietnamese-aussie-uyen-ha-became-a-professional-mma-fighter/
@@AussieEnglishPodcast that co.m.m.i.e does not represent Vietnamese in Australia. It was the reason why we fled Viet Nam.
Hello Pete Smissen of @@AussieEnglishPodcast, I love your videos!
What is a Viet aussie? If you hold a Australian passport that would make you only Australian right? If there is one thing Australians hate is a Australian claiming there from two or more countries
@@fisho1288No, if you hold Australian passport, that doesn’t make you ONLY Australian. Well, even though some white Australians hold two passports tho and it is allowed by both countries’ laws. I met some Australians have both UK and Australian passports. Some have both American and Australian passports. Why they can claim they are from two countries, the Viet Australians can’t? This is double standard.
I don’t get it.
I lived and worked in Sydney for 8 years (I'm from Spain), and I had the opportunity to interact with colleagues from diverse backgrounds, including Indian, Aussie-Asian, Aussie-Muslim, Aussie-Latin, and Australian. What I learned during that time is that what are often referred to as 'Western values and traditions' can be quite different from, and sometimes incompatible with, other cultures like Indian or Asian. Indian, Muslim, and Asian cultures have a strong sense of belonging to their cultural roots. As a result, individuals growing up in Australia within these cultural contexts may find it challenging to fully embrace Australian culture and values, which can often contradict their original cultural beliefs
Yeah, that's the big issue I think many western countries are battling with. We want to have a diverse community in terms of culture, race, religion, etc. but we shouldn't be aiming for diverse values. We want people who come here to share our values and hold to them no matter what other backgrounds they have.
@@AussieEnglishPodcastIt depends on what values are tho~ you can embrace the western values and keep your own values haha
The White or European Australia policy lasted until 1973, just like segregation in the United States lasted until 1964. However, it’s clear that echoes of these policies still resonate today.
Aussie Asian here. Migrated here as a kid, and despite looking Asian, I'm culturally Aussie, sound Aussie but can speak other languages too. I'm happy to be friends with anyone of other ethnicities, but notice only other Asian Aussies that grew up here befriend me. White Aussie blokes like me, but the women avoid me, which sux because I want a diverse mix of female friends. When I was overseas recently the locals know I am a "foreigner" because of my body language and clothes.
Asian looking sounding very aussie. Is for reason so appealing!❤
You’re not an asian.
As a white guy
I would befriend you in a heartbeat mate
Not all white people want to avoid
Well, being a Muslim woman, people always assume that you can't speak English. The first question people will ask is, "Where are you from from?". And I am unable to wrap my head around this integration. If learning the language with Aussie accent, getting education at a uni, paying taxes, and having a reputable career are not considered integration, then what is bloody integration? Due to religious reasons, I don't drink alcohol or party but there are many "aussies" who don't drink or don't like to party so are they excluded and labelled as the others and blamed of not assimilating?.
We who don't drink don't get invited anywhere regardless of ethnicity. I was uninvited from the work Christmas party because "you don't drink and aren't missing out Liz". They couldn't understand why I didn't chip in for any workplace events after that.
I'm not Chinese obviously, but have many friends who are, and my wife is Chinese-Indonesian, some Chinese I've met will avoid any communication with anyone who's not Chinese, but most of the time it's not racism that's the problem, more fear of not being able to communicate, other Chinese I know have no trouble and have many friends who are not Chinese, so really it depends how much effort you choose to make.
Yeah, I think I know people on both sides of that fence as you've mentioned.
It's not that obvious you are not Chinese 😂😂😂
I am an Indian who was born and raised in a white area back in the 90s(Southern Sydney). When i went to primary school there was maybe 3 or 4 ethnics in total for all for Kindergaten to Yr6(Might of been little bit more when i finished yr 6 my memory isnt that good so i cant remember i just remember my year). When i went to High School, the was defs a bump in all sorts of groups, in my year maybe 20 or 30 were Asian out of the 100. SO personally for me growing up since i live in a prominently white area, I was one of 2 families in my street that was of Indian decent and there was an young asian couple with kids that were several years young then me. My surrounding neighbours were Australia and they always made me feel more Australian growing up. I defs felt more Australian then i was of Indian or Asian origins. I guess too this day i still identify first as Australian then Indian/Asian. (Dont even get me started on this Indian are not Asians hate that i had to deal with in High School)
Later on in life i met people in uni that grew up in Western Sydney where the population was mixed. The community and culture was strong that side of town so they even had their localised schoolings in the west (for example, Chines School and Indian School etc) So they defs felt more close to their background then they were Australian. I am more envious in my later years cause i never got to learn the language only bits and pieces from my parents and they didnt see the value in travelling 2hrs on weekends to attend Hindi school to learn Hindi) Even know in my adult life, I have more white Australian Friends then i do of my Asian friends. Even now my area is slowly changing there is less white Australian and more multiculturism. (This was often a bad thing in my area. I STILL remember the casual racism and odd looks I'd get from elderly white Australians - yes i said casual racism, that how i grew up with it so i use that term others may not use that term and to be thats just a personal preference)
So other people may have different experiences, some say they dont mix with white australians, But for me i have very well mixed with the white Australians. And Yes I grew with the comment of its how you was brought up.
Even recalling I remember even in primary school we had Cultural Days where we bought in home made food. Even today - if I bring in lunch ill share it with close personal friends (yes they are white australian) and they love it and often ask to come over to eat more haha.
I want to write more but i think i have said enough. If you have any more questions i am more then happy to answer them.
I love you bringing this topic to this channel! I am so glad to hear the different Asian Aussie’s voices. As a China Chinese myself, I definitely agree some of that dude (Chinese Australian’s points of view) I am a Chinese who were born and raised in China but moved to Australia for Uni, most of my frens are Chinese Australians, Vietnameses and Chinese international students. I agree with one point this dude made. Some white Aussies did ignore me when I firstly arrived to Australia and lived in the student accomodation. When a white girl (also the new person who moved to Australia) tried to hold a party and invited people to go to her party, she just skipped me and asked another white girl who sit next to me. And when there was social events happening, some white Aussies tended to stick and sit with their own groups. When I sit with one of the girls, she changed her seat immediately. 😅😅😅
I would say i am definitely an open minded person even though i am not perfect and i have things to work on, even though I was born and raised in China, but I have parents who love travelling and I have been to Australia and New Zealand twice before I study here, I have been to Singapore, Korea, Thailand, European countries as well.
Even til now I speak fluent English (I studied education and I am required to speak fluent English with clear accent), all my frens are just Vietnamese Australians, Chinese Australians, Vietnamese international students and mainland Chinese international students. My bestie is from Taiwan. I am also really glad one of my close frens are a rural Aussie because she is really nice, sweet and smiley~
One of my Viet frens also told me some of her frustrations, which are some white Aussies don’t really wanna talk to her when they know she is from Vietnam.
Seriously I don’t think it should matter where a person comes from. If you’re open and friendly with the population then people will automatically include you and be friendly back. In saying that their are, as in all nations, certain people that you just can’t get close to regardless how long you’ve lived here so the best idea is to give them a wide berth and just do your best to meet like minded people and enjoy yourself. Aussies are pretty open especially if you’re willing to meet them halfway.
You got it ,after reading some of this self centred crap I realise they don't get what it is to be an Aussie. You are so right you don't see the face you feel the person and take them for what they are .That's what a traditional Aussie of many generations does.
Asian Australian. Been here for 39 years. Often times I don't get treated as a "true aussie". I face racism often, and get treat treated differently often. I've had "white Aussie" friends display implicit racism or superiority.
Let me guess you’re Chinese Australian 🤦♂️
This was an interesting topic. I've been having kind of a belonging crisis myself. I am from Bolivia (living in Australia) and according to people from other countries I don't look Bolivian enough (whatever that means). We know our history and even though there are indigenous people nowadays, most people are mixed race. Also, I'm a biologist, and so far studies have shown that humans share so much on their genomes, that the race talk sometimes means just geographically distance differences and allele variation related to some phenotypes (how we look), so in that context race doesn't exist. But then we have cultural diversity and legacy and that makes everything more complicated. Olympic games have triggered me a bit because I knew that our 4 representatives wouldn't win (we never win in anything) and then I found myself cheering up to other countries I like, and also envying them because it must feel nice to have a strong country identity and be proud of it. Not that I'm not proud of being bolivian, but sometimes I have felt in my own country that I didn't belong there. And if I want to love more the culture and the indigenous people, they might acuse me of cultural appropriation. So where do I stand? Is an identity subjective to where we feel comfortable? Or does it come from our looks and cultural inheritance? Sometimes I want to feel like I belong to somewhere, and other times I just feel like the whole world is my home. I don't have answers to anything rn, I guess my crisis is still on going
Yeah you've raised some really interesting points, mate. I think many migrants experience the same type of thing. My wife's a good example. She's from Brazil but having not been home in about a decade now and being so distance from the culture, the news, everything going on back there, she feels less and less connected. She still considers herself Brazilian obviously, but now that she's an Australian citizen, it's interesting when she talks about where she feels she fits.
Once you have a family that becomes your home no matter where you are on the planet.
Awww hug hug! I never met latinos in Australia~ it is ok, you are unique u, you are an unique individual~ ❤
I would love to consider myself as Australian. But as in the video said, the reality is that I feel excluded through my entire life in Australia. asian Australian are normally not recognised as Australian, at school at work at general social society. that includes South, East and Middle East, the stereotype is always where you really from? That type of thing but if you are white no matter where you from ,you are accepted straight away or even you are black, you are more easily accepted as Australian no one would doubt you. Like we don’t call others Irish, Swedish or German Australian, but if you are Asian straight away you will be in a sub group of a sub group, Chinese Australian, Korean Australian, Pakistani Australian etc, there is a “where you from” title in front of your Australian title. That is the reality of acceptance in Australia, and that is if you are in major cities like sydney, Melbourne and so on, if you are in rural area or remote areas, good luck, you can be more Aussie than Aussie, you are a foreigner for sure.
I’m an Australian living in Singapore for 10 years and I can assure you Caucasian people here are never considered real locals even if long time or permanent residents, it’s just the way it goes. Chinese are the majority here and the majority rules unfortunately. Not saying I agree with it personally
I came and migrated to Perth from China in 2012. I entered Uni not high school. I didn't find any difficulty with "white" Australians. There were a lot of internationals in the Uni. And I don't think there is a mainstream in Australia anyway. My white Australian friends don't read news anyway...
some cultures have a very small community and so maybe that’s why i personally haven’t seen this as an ethnic issue but rather a cultural phenomenon. because as humans we generally gravitate towards people who look, talk, and think like ourselves which is probably how these “cliques” form but from my experience, they don’t gatekeep just because you don’t look or talk like them most of the time they are very welcoming if you have the same interests and a likeable personality.
tldr: op has a social skill issue and needs to touch grass
Of course they do. Same as anybody who has come here and put down roots. My wife is from Hong Kong and my kids are all grown up now. We mix with many other couples with mixed parentage, its pretty normal now. What I see as odd is those couples who stick to their own cultural circle.
I am the child of European non-British migrants. My older brother and I felt outside for most of our life, but my younger brother did not. By the time he was growing up there were several later waves of migrants which moved the bar along.
The migrants who now might feel more on the fringe are the African migrants but I notice the African school kids are fitting in just like we did eventually by high school. It is whatever feels normal to each generation.
Having parents from 2 different backgrounds tend to make kids more Aussie. I'm Chilean born and my wife is Chinese, but our kids only speak English because teaching them Mandarin or Spanish is simply impractical at home, because you tend to speak the language that everyone understands: English.
Yeah sounds like my story with my wife. She's Brazilian and our kids are obviously a mix. I remember when she did her DNA test she discovered she was like 15% native American, 15% west African, and the rest was from all over western Europe. Must be so weird having DNA from 3 different continents and thinking about identity and belonging. I think it goes to show it's more about your surroundings than race or DNA though.
Burmese-Thai-Karen/Australian here. I came here when I was 24 yo. Even if I speak English with a thick accent, I feel as Aussie as anyone else. My network of friends are very multicultural, so I don't ever feel as an outcast. If I don't click with any group of people, it would be due to other reasons than the perception of being rejected due to my race or nationality.
this is so insightful. as an asian who wanna move to australia i would love to learn more of this. thank you for sharing
My pleasure, mate. Whereabouts are you going to be moving to Australia from?
@@AussieEnglishPodcast Thailand :)
@@biravijnya Very cool! I've been learning loads about the experience of expats living there recently from a channel called Thairish times. It's definitely made me wanna visit and experience the culture. You guys always seem so friendly when I meet you!
@@AussieEnglishPodcast Yes, I recommend you visit here and unlock your secret tastebuds xD There's lots of beautiful places in Thailand as well, such as temples, historical parks, beaches, mountains and so on. And yeah, for the most part, Thai people are laid back and easygoing. They're willing to help, when you have a problem. I'm also a subbie to an Aussie/Thai channel called Thai Talk with Paddy. He's based in Sydney and used to live in northern Thailand for quite a while. I've learned lots of cross cultural content from his channel. Highly recommend, if you'd like you learn more about Thailand :)
Can not be mixed. I am Korean-Australian, lived here 22years. More than half of my life. I can pretend I am getting along with white aussie. It’s not the matter of good or bad, just different. Far different. Sometimes they are too good. Sometimes they are too bad. It all because of differences. Main problem is the way of feeling which coming from their own background. Good gesture from other races might be considered as uncomfortable things. But that’s just micro, too tiny, not worth it mentioning, but that makes it big differences eventually. I believe.
My daughter (she's 5th generation Aussie) at uni had to take around 15 international students to the office to complain about harassment from one of the so-called white Australians. The problem with the horrendous racial harassment was the person doing this wasn't Australian-born. So, as someone once said to me, "What is an Australian?". Don't always assume that because they have white skin, they hold Australian values. I'm 60 and went to school in Marrickville, which in the 1970s had a huge immigrant population. In our class of 41 girls, there were 28 different nationalities. 7 so-called Australians. We loved all the nationalities particularly on international food days and learning cultural days. Immigration and acceptance of other nationalities is not new to most "Australians" but can be new to the immigrants.
Being the only Asian guy in a small country town, I haven't encountered any racism. The folks here are great.
G'day,
I was born in Brisbane in 1964, and I leaved the country, with my french parents, at the age of five month.
I've been visiting Australia last year for the first time since I leaved, during six weeks, it was an amazing trip.
For I've got Australian citizenship I pretended to be Australian, however my english is very bad.
I'd love to get back, aussies are nice and the country is stunning.
Korean-Australian here. Born and raised in Melbourne. Never felt like I belonged here, or anywhere for that matter. This is the closest thing I have to a home and I know I'll never belong.
Really? IMHO it's the mindset. Maybe you should have grown up in the countryside. Ethnics tend to pick up the Aussie vibes faster in the country, ie make friends with "white" Aussies much easily.
You have the problem we generational Aussies apart from a few bogans know it's the right thing to accept anybody from anywhere ,all depends on YOUR mindset.
@RUHappyATM @soma4u289 This is a pretty petty example, but it illustrates my experience the best. In classes at uni, I'll be the one to instigate conversation with the table, and every single time, everybody uses that as an opportunity to start conversing with each other while refusing to acknowledge me or look me in the eye. But yes, it's MY fault for not trying hard enough
as far as im concerned i like Asians they are hard working none violent and thier babies are always so cute, together we make a good team just dont overtake us...
Be fair, we always want to be with someone feel more closer than others. All about feeling
But yeah. Friendship is both way street~so all my friendships work because we both make efforts to get along with each other. Even though sometimes some people from different nationalities are not too considerate but that doesn’t mean that you should give up making frens with people from different cultures.
I remember an Airbnb host on the Gold Coast last year. I was with my Chinese-Australian friend, and the host repeatedly said, "But you are not Aussie." My friend politely corrected her again and again. It was terrible and horrible to imagine that he had to experience this kind of "You are not Aussie" moment daily. If I were born in Australia, I would have depressingly said, "Yeah, I'm a fake Aussie…," felt inferior, and hated my own country.
Far out. Wtf is wrong with people **facepalm**
The host was correct. An Indian born in China isn't Chinese.
I'm really sorry to hear that you've experienced this 😔 I'm white, grew up in Australia and probably didn't realise how hard it was for kids who weren't white.
Hey man
You are such a great bloke!
Love watching your videos!
Thanks for sharing sentiments!
I am Viet-Australian!
Love to be friended with you.
If you are coming to Brisbane, please let me know - I will take you fishing on my boat!
Sam
15 years ago my Malaysian Chinese wife was working for Qantas Engineering. She had access to the planes. What a job she had and I so much envied her for that.
One day she came home and asked me that one of her colleagues in a conversation mentioned someone (not her) and called her "an old slapper". I asked her specifically was to directed to her where she denied so I lost it and laughed.
I explained it to her that this being an Australian term of a very promiscuous woman. The light bulb in her head lit up and she smiled and chuckled.
I still laugh at that moment. One of the few moments that you so much want in memory.
haha that's gold!
As a half Japanese and Korean singaporean living in Australia. I can confirm that both Asia and Australia are my home. I feel like singaporean because I was born in Singapore. The second hometown is Australia for me. But I love this place and feel patriotism as Australian. No more immigration here
Well, you might be a second generation of immigrant. So this is a bit weird that why there is no more immigration????? By the way, except indigenous Australians, all other Australians’ ancestors are from different countries. So you guys are all second third or fourth immigrants here. I don’t think this is an inclusive mindset to be honest.
It’s no different than anyone migrating anywhere. If I, as a white Australian, migrated to New Zealand, or the UK, or Canada, or the US, there would be cultural differences, but it think it would be fairly easy to integrate into their culture, lifestyle, sensibilities, and societal expectations. If however I migrated to Japan, or South Korea, or Namibia, or Russia, I would have to put in one hell of an effort to assimilate. If I didn’t make the effort, then than would be on me, and not the fault of my adopted country or its people. For example if I entirely rejected the local music, TV, and movies, which are a huge part of a culture, but instead stuck to Australian only material, I could hardly blame the local people if we can’t converse over pop culture. Integrate, or go home.
"my dad is a lawyer" types 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hey mate, just wondering if you would teach English to my wife.. she has issues with her emotions when speaking the language? Can you help?? Cheers
Hey mate, shoot me a private message on Instagram and I'll have a chat. instagram.com/aussieenglish_/
My European country men say Australia is 50 years behind the European mainstream, Aussies say i have an accent. I learned English from a book, it's not my mother's tongue. My friend Clivy Sam said if the white fellows don't want you, we'll have you. Thanks' Clive, you never sang me a woman you promised.
As a Vietnamese, I know more history about South Asians ( Indians, Bangladesh and Pakistan ) because they do fit in the “Asian” category. A lot of migrant Asian parents who come into Australia have no history about the rest of Asia, they’ve only been taught about their culture identity in their own birth country.
Please please please make videos on learn australian English from crocodile dundee and Steve Irwin videos
Sorry, not Asian. I grew up as a second generation immigrants in the UK and never learnt anything other than English. From mid teens got treated as a foreigner and by my late teen couldn’t take it left for Australia. Now first generation Australian, with Dutch in-laws and Philippines cousins. Don’t like sports or watch it either as does none of the family members. Best comment I can think of is that my daughter could not name a single Chinese person when asked even though her best friend at all through school clearly was! Somehow we’ve managed to integrate well! NSW in Oz 🇦🇺
You got a wrong icon on that "Salty Crew" cap. :D
Filipinos are the most westernised Asians. They're also mostly Christians or Catholics like white Australians. They also love American music and dance. That's probably why they can get along easier with white Australians. More things in common culture wise.
As for assimilating into the Australian culture, it's a double edged sword for us. some Australian born Asians assimilated so well that they become racist to their own race. Internalised racism is the term I believe. They're actually making the effort to disown their culture and heritage to be seen as one of the true blue Aussies.
I have seen local born Asians mocking immigrants accent the way racist white people would do. Some Asian women even refused to date their own race because they don't want people to think they're dating their own brother.
What kind of fucked up logic is that? I have never thought the same race couples must be in an incestuous relationship.
The best exotic voice Japanese girl with a irish accent then worked as a nurse people from all over the world the Aussie accent sounds great as long its not the Aussie female bogan accent , Aussie accent sound great on Asians it suites them.
That's not my experience at all. I know an ABC who I work with and he's the life of the party and considered the stand up comedian when with other Australians at work. His social skills are on par or higher to the average Aussie.
Being Italian Australian, I am more the observer while seeing this all unfold before me.
I guess it's easier for me to blend in than others not having the European heritage. But he does extremely well or better than myself in most settings
It's complicated to see this happen. I'm not asian (I'm african ) but it's very difficult to see these kind of things happen. I want to go to Australia someday and I wonder if in Down Under there's more racism than in US or UK.
My only issue as an Aussie are people speaking in different languages in front of me.
Haha yeah. I do that to a lot of people with Portuguese.
@@AussieEnglishPodcast why?
Yet, if you are overseas in a non-English speaking country you'll happily speak English...
@@asjeot Wrong. I would not feel comfortable at all doing that and I would do my best to respectfully learn the language of the country as I could. Truly.
jiujitsu is good, offering an inclusive community.
True that!
For asians, it is high huddle to get a role making sure you have enough experience or qualification but for westerners, you can switch roles so easily without having any relevant experiences and of course the salary is much higher and increase much quicker. why is that?
Why aren’t you posting anymore 😢
I am a mid-aged Chinese man who is studying a master degree in Adelaide. After I came here, I tried to communicate with Aussies proactively. But I found that most of them did not interest in me. Thus, most of my friends are international students from other countries. Sometimes I would go to pub or club. Sometimes I would be yell "Ching" or "Fuck China" by strangers. HAHA
Just wondering as a 60yr old white Australian if the role were reversed and I moved to China, India or many of the other Asian countries would I ever be accepted as being that nationality regardles of how many years that I lived there ? The level of acceptance and tolerance expected from citizens of western nations regrdless of race or religous beliefs seems to be a one way street. During my working career (I retired after being caught in Africa when covid19 hit) my family and I lived in a number of countries across the middle east and in southern Africa while working on various projects., Although we were never treated badly being westerners at no time did we ever feel fully welcome or were we invited into the inner circles of society in any of those countries. We tended to form our own social groups which were made up of other expat westerners similar to what immigrants do here by forming pockets of the same nationality eventually taking over whole suburbs. Flooding the place with the high level of immigration as this govt. has been doing since covid ended is not the way to ensure that people are assimilated into society and that will result in these cultural barriers becoming even greater. Thats got to be a real concern for this country especially with the clouds that are building on the horizon from that part of the world.,
Can we use American English (spellings) in Aussie ?
I'm actually more inclined toward American English tbh 🇺🇸😏💙
Filipinos are the most westernized Asian. Can't agree more.
Yo great content! Thanks for the video. Which gym you go to for bjj?
We convicts had no choice and made the best life we could here as well. If we all didn't get on with each other then this country would not have existed for you to come and have a definitely better life than you would have had elsewhere. Take it on the chin ,real Aussies(we are basically an easy going bunch of misfits) will accept you and your funny habits no matter where you come from. It's not a contest just share the Aussie party spirit and no one will even notice your face.
I'm a first generation south East Asian migrated here since mid 90s. You wouldn't believe how many 2nd or third generation oz-Asians have harassed me as if they are white Aussies even more so than white Australians. Yes! Younger white Australians may have upset me. Other than that, I feel that white Australians are still kind of racist but in a subtle way. They'd try to act as having more equality and big hearts at least but I still feel some racism in workforce or schools or any environment. Correct me if Im wrong
Who doesn't love Asians! ❤
I can see my half Asian daughter has no issues making friends anywhere... but I can see my wife's fully asian son seems to be just weird and has difficulty making friends. For myself I am one of those people who doesnt identify, the concept of an identity is foreign to me. But I can see my wife's son has issues, its almost like he is trying to fit in instead of living his life.
We're all Earth! Free to roam!
I read this few days ago. To be honest, there is a chance the OP is an AI or something like that.
Sumit Saini Pathankot,Punjab (India )
Born and raised in Sydney, spent my whole life here for almost 35 years. My family ancestry for the most part is from south east Asia and here’s my take on what I’ve encountered.
Most Asians here in Australia that I’ve met whether it’s socially or at work do tend to be culturally influenced by their ethnic roots due to their home upbringing and most asians do keep to it.
Also generally Asian migrants who have been here for a long time and asians who have been BROUGHT up in Australia DO assimilate well to the social norms/easy going way of life and do conform to the rules and regulations.
So that’s the upside to it.
The downside is there’s a combination of many things,
in terms of the question ‘feel aussie’ I mean I can only answer from my perspective and those that are close to me who are of Asian background.
To feel Aussie as in am I proud to be an Australian, honestly to tell you the truth I could care less, it’s not going change me for who i am as a person.
To feel Aussie as in am I patriotic? NOT particularly. Because I will never have a DEEP connection to the land that I am stepping on and also the land of Australia is NOT the land of my forefathers.
The other downside is that people in Australia assume that Aussie people automatically means white Anglo-european. Which couldn’t be further from the truth, because most of us know the true Australians are our Indigenous people.
And this is NOT lost on Asians as most asians are socially aware of this. When you say aussie people is ONLY referring to white people, what do you expect? of course they’re going to NOT feel aussie or they’re NOT going to care all that much.
So this needs to change if you want people from all over the world who call Australia a permanent home to ‘feel aussie’ regardless of how they look.
Lastly due to the downside that I’ve mentioned, that’s the reason why most asians who have been brought in Australia tend to stick with other Asians as a way of playing it safe as they can relate and vibe well with each other.
Whereas in my observation white Anglo people, generally not all tend to look at Asians as foreigners even though they were born and raised in the country, they will display in both overtly or in the most subtle way.
A Native Aussie English speaker knows how many words of English Approximately ????
Pete
No offense taken ✋, I've never traveled to Aussie and any other countries tbh, so it takes a while for me to process how minors feel abt living in white-majority countries including in Aussie 🇦🇺 along with the diverse cultures there 🤕🤕🤕
18:18 she's all that
Australia is so mixed... so new world.. nobody feel attached to this country..
I was born here from Polish parents.
The name Australia never excisted before British settlement and development so it only natural that Anglo saxon - celtic Australian's will alway's concider themselve's the true Aussies ,because ,WE ARE !!!
A Australian with a Australian passport would make them Australian we had imagination we just need the integration. I have never seen ChinaAustralia on a map?
First of all when you say Australians what do you mean by it. You guys are also white Aussie. If some one can really claim, it's only Indigenous. But it's working opposite here.
Talking about racism while spreading stereotypes about Russia. I suggest you look up "List of countries by alcohol consumption per capita". It's not even in top 30.
Just give it time...to dilute the "racial" differences.
Just like in Blade Runner.
If you earn it. Then take it.
Feel comfortable in you skin. Stop trying to be something else then feel sorry that u are not good at it. I would happy to tell my European friends that I don't like half of the things they like and appreciate the facts that I do like things that they don't. I m as an Aussie as anyone else so stop defind what is it that make one more Aussies. Evidently, I paid tax just as much if not more so everyone should quit feeling superiority too.
Well they are 1 up from all the Indians I'm seeing around
It is football not soccer Lad
It makes me sad because Australia is a cultural melting pot... but we are also one of the most racist countries in the world. Why can't we embrace beautiful things like diversity? Sigh.
Because diversity is not always a good thing.
You say that as if making us all one culture is a good thing. We can live in harmony but still have our own cultures.
I don't know. I wouldn't say we're one of the most racist countries in the world, though, racism exists here for sure. If Australia was one of the most racist places in the world, I don't think we'd have migrants coming here like we do. They'd just avoid the place.
Because diversity is not always a good thing, not all cultures share similar values, and to say so isn’t racist; it’s reality.
Beautiful things like diversity? Does that beautiful diversity include people that come from violent cultures? Does that beautiful diversity include people who are let into Australia who let alone don’t align with our values, despise our values and have no respect for our culture?
We welcome everybody to this country, its built on immigration but cn you please stop appropriating the word "Aussie". They are welcomes as Australians. They are not Aussies.
Aussies are Anglo Australians. The largest demographic and the people who built the country.
The name evolved through colonial times and two world wars. Its ours. They are Australian and welcomed as equals and brothers and sisters but they are NOT Aussies.
Thank you.
Built the country? Or colonized it?
@@RaminHeydari-qo6gkboth
You seriously think that we white ppl have the monopoly on the term 'Aussie'? That's ridiculous. Anyone who is an Australian citizen is an Aussie.