@@carterwilliams419 I believe that if we work hard in pursuing our chosen career, it’s possible! Just as Swayne reiterated, “planning is the key!” My best to you. Xx
Graduated from UND in 2003. Excellent school and loved all the flying there. Did the CFI, AF Reserve route and ended up with my dream job at FedEx on the MD-11 and now the 777. It truly is an amazing career. Hope you have a wonderful career at UAL!!
As the father of a high school senior who has decided this is the path he wants to follow, we have done a tremendous amount of research. Right now the feeling is pretty much 50-50 split between go to college versus going straight to an accelerated program like ATP. The argument for going straight to a program like ATP is that as you are building hours, you can work on a degree that may or may not be aviation related but would serve as a back up career in the event of something altering your career course. I think the advantages of college program speak for themselves. But I do agree that if you’re choosing an aviation degree, steer away from the professional pilot. That degree is only good for that career. Choose the aviation management, or airport management, or maintenance if you find a school that offers it. Those are at least degrees that will serve you for a back up career. Take my conclusions for what they are. My research. Please do your own and consider all the options for what works best for you and your finances. If you were looking at a career, it is perfectly understandable why you would want to rush the process in order to build your tenure as soon as possible with the carrier. Don’t forget, college must serve a purpose. A degree by itself is worth no more than the paper it is printed on. It’s what you do that ultimately matters. It’s the training that ultimately matters. Until they reinstate degrees as a requirement for employment, now is the time to properly assess the value. Good luck, Godspeed, and safe flying!
@@Me37368 I have recently talked to students actively going through the program and confirm most of what you say. For the most part they will get you the hours and they will get you an instructor to teach you the practical but everything is totally on your own. Also I believe you are correct 21 years old for the restricted which will allow you to be first officer on a regional carrier. Then you have to build up experience age and time to be captain.
Thanks for this, I am a highschool sophmore, my dream is to be a pilot of some sorts, likely commercial and i just started getting into research on how colleges work and all this. Its alot and im a bit overwhelmed. I am trying to figure out the best course for my future career. I hope your son makes it well
You can always double major or minor in something else. Theres a reason why und Perdue and embry riddle are also considered world class where ATP is just a scam. If you don’t want to do a 141 college then stay part 61
I got my certificate at a part 61 school in high school then went to college where I majored in aviation. I honestly think that is the best way to do it. You get a taste of both types of flight training, and save a little bit of money along the way.
Since you already had your PPL going into college what did your first year of college look like? Did you still have to take PPL classes your freshman year or did you substitute classes for them?
@@jaydenstrickland9162 I don't have a PPL but I do have a couple hours logged in a Cessna as part of an "experimental flight" so would you say that even though I don't have a certificate, it's still helpful that I have some hours logged in the book?
The final 2 minutes of this were spot on: For many heading to an aviation specific college will open up access to Title 4 financial aid which can be used to pay for flight costs because it's part of your degree completion requirements. (Think Pell Grant, Stafford loans and of course the infamous PLUS loan) If you're like many of us who've grown up in financially strapped families, then the barrier to enter this field is 💰 Terrific video Swayne
Swayne, from a non-aviation family thank you for your videos especially the early ones. My son is in the Aviation program at UND and currently finishing his Junior year. Just like you he was 1 yr out-of-state and then went in-state to help with the costs. Even did the LLC at Noren Hall for 1yr. Can't wait to see what comes next!!
I've been watching your videos for years, and starting in the fall, I will start following my dream. I will be attending UND! I even qualified for starting flight lessons first semester. I cannot wait
I got into UND and Embry Riddle for there aviation program, I only have a couple gripes with it. First off, you can’t get loans for the flying itself so you either have to come from a wealthy family or somehow get a third party loan for 100k. The overall cost of the programs are around 280k, that’s not very accessible to the majority of the population even if you get a deans scholarship. And secondly, the airline industry isn’t very stable. That being said it would be a better option to get a degree you can use for a different job in case the industry drops or you loose your medical and you find Urself not able to fly. But, if you have the resources for it by all means aviation colleges will provide some great quality training. But don’t think these are the only way to get to your goals. There are plenty of other schools that are great as well.
Some good points! The numbers are a little off, at least for UND. If you pay 1 year out of state, 3 years in-state (automatic after living 12 months in ND), and then pay the average cost for flight trianing, the total comes out to aorund $140,000, or half of the $280K you mentioned... Which is why I went to school where I did. I can't speak for the other school you mentioned, but it is significantly more expensive for the same outcome.
@@nicswensgard Your numbers are pretty accurate for Embry-Riddle. 10 or 15 years ago Riddle seemed to start catering to wealthy foreign students and their prices exploded. Phoeniz East Aviation is a big Part 141 school across the street from ERAU. You can get a Riddle Degree in anything, and get all of your ratings from one of the Part 141 flight schools nearby. The only big advantage UND and ERAU offer is the network connection to the industry. The airlines are never going to forget to recruit at UND and ERAU. If I was doing it all over, I would go to my nearby state university, get a degree in anything, and fly at the nearest Part 141 school. NOBODY in the industry cares about your school or who taught you to fly. Save your money and get everything finished as soon as possible to get hired (get seniority) ASAP. Seniority is the most important thing in the industry for pilots.
Awesome video Swame. UND’s training really helped me out A LOT during my airline interview in Taiwan. All the training starting from private pilot course all the way to CRJ training were all helpful in my airline career. Class of 13’
Mankato State student here! Just a little update for those considering doing flight training through a college program, a lot of airlines have brought their required hours down to 950 now!
Awesome video. I also went thru the commercial aviation degree at UND. Thanks for awesome video in the promotion of UND. And for glimpse of the Ala mater these days.
I study Aviation Management at Utah Valley University. Our program also offers a Professional Pilot degree. Reasonable tuition prices. Only 30 credit difference between degrees. Provides a great fall back plan.
Our son attends BGSU and loves it. He’s a freshman and is working on his multi/commercial currently. He arrived with his pvt and several hundred hours so he’s moving quickly in an attempt to get his CFII and MEI to help pay for this. We give credit to his pt 61 instructor at home who taught our son in our plane where he learned lots of real world flying. We love you videos because they give up and coming pilots a snap shot of how you got where your are today. Thanks
I’m a freshman at Elizabeth City State University in North Carolina majoring in Aviation Science with a concentration in Flight Education. We’re a Part 141 school that’s growing rapidly and fly out of the Coast Guard Air Station that’s just 7 minutes away from campus. Our program is AABI Accredited and has close ties to CSPI and United Aviate. It’s also one of the most affordable schools at $500 Tuition for instate and $2500 Tuition out of state. They have it set up for us to be CFI’s when we finish the program with Private, Instrument, Commercial, and Multi ratings and have the capability to obtain ATP’s at 1,000 hours. I’m definitely very happy with the program and have learned so much and developed in just 1 semester. Definitely an option to consider. We also have a UAS complex, ATC Lab, Avionics program, and Professional Aeronautics tracks available. It’s definitely a well rounded aviation program and is definitely a great option up and coming aviation enthusiasts that are looking to enter the industry should consider.
Great video. I passed along to my niece in Calgary Alberta. Just completed her privates on her way to commercial at the local aviation college. Keep up the inspirational vids, she enjoyed this as well.
@@thesheetmusicman Hey that's awesome! I'm looking forward to meeting our fellow aviators up there so for sure we should get to know each other, I honestly can't wait to start flying!
@@gbma3241 Hi! So firstly, it's been going great! I've started my sophomore year, and I already got my pilots license and am currently working on my instrument rating. Typically, when it comes to how often you fly, it depends on what flight course you're taking and the availability of your flight instructor. Some courses like the private pilot course and the instrument course automatically gives you three flight launches per week for whatever time you choose. For other courses, you only fly whenever you and your instructor are available. Over summer months you can fly around 5-6 times a week. I got lucky this fall semester and was able to fly nearly every day since me and my instructor had a lot of availability. During the normal academic semesters, I would say you will for sure be flying 3-4 times per week. Keep in mind though that weather could alter your plans and some lessons are briefing and simulators rather than actual flights, but overall, you will for sure fly several times per week! Hope that helps, let me know if you need any more info or have any other questions!
Great stuff Swayne! I study Aviation Management and Ops at Western Michigan University one of UND’s big competitors but the concepts are all the same and this was still a great video! 😅 Also I remember that video from 7:31 and what happened to those 2 friends of yours? What’re they up to today??
I graduated Embry-Riddle with Aerospace Studies/Aviation Maintenance B.S. and 2 A.S. I was out of the industry within 2 years of graduating. A lot depends on the airline economy at the time you graduate and your network and their connection into the industry. If you have all of your ratings and your degree and graduate in an airline recession, that lull will follow you for your career. If you want to spend less money go to any college and get any Bachelor's degree. Find a Part 141 flight school and complete your ratings with them. A Part 141 school is organized. Yes, instead of making cookies on production line, they make pilots. They have figured out the process. Nobody in the airlines cares where you went to school, what your degree is in, or who taught you to fly, if you fly well. Make sure you are a good Instrument pilot. That is how you will be measured by people that don't know you yet. Get your degree as fast as possible, as cheap as possible, and same with your ratings. If you want to hone your skills when you have your ratings spend some of the money you saved and ask around for the Old Man in the area people are afraid of and fly with him until he is happy with your performance. near Riddle and probably most flying universities there are Part 141 schools that teach aviation to the non-moneyed masses. Lost of their instructors are graduates of the flying university. For example, across the campus from Embry-Riddle (Daytona) is Phoenix East Aviation. They train tons of pilots. When I started Embry Riddle the school was full for flight students.Many of us enrolled in non-flight programs, flew off-campus, and graduated with ERAU degrees.
Great video, Swayne! Very informational. Having put a child through aviation college in GA, I can agree with everything you said - particularly about the costs and having a solid plan before you start.
Great video Swayne and love learning about the piloting side. Hope you can do a video to focus on the operations side/ flight planning side. I would like to become a flight dispatcher and would love to learn an in depth video if you can?
I think the majority of young pilots will find out after 4 yrs that they just spent a lot of money, to just be a week end private pilot that if you don't keep spending money you will lose your license. 5 touch and goes once a yr to keep certified. Sorry I'm negative on this subject BUT spent 4 yrs on my son's training in the 1990's about 15 K private with VFR and IFR ratings. He got married and he and his wife would fly to her home for the Holidays because a 5 hr plane ride was better than a 10 hr car ride. Then he got the upgrade to a 185 archer which made the flight 3 & 1/2 hrs but in the end cost just became to much for a struggling family man. Before their first child came, he did do a week advanced course on a complex air craft at Mid Wisconsin airfield. Rg, turbo prop, variable pitch. I don't know if he got his certification for that though. He did his first solo at a week long flight encampment, with the CAP in Illinois in 1993 when he was 15. So now he doesn't even fly anymore.
Hi, good day. I'm a 16-year-old Chinese student studying in a high school international department in Beijing. I'm now an av geek, a planespotter, and an aviation enthusiast who dreams to be an airline pilot since the age of seven. As you do, also want to go to a college or university for flight training and to study aviation. However, I'm completely bad at and do not enjoy math and physics at all, you know I just love flying rather than doing the boring calculation (in fact I've already tried to fly in a 737NG simulator for several times and it was like on cloud nine to me). I think I'll be happy as Larry whenever I fly. Anyways, I just want to ask you that can Chinese like me enter into a foreign airline in the future, doesn't necessarily have to be US but other western country are okay for me as well. And which university that has its own school of aviation (Bachelor of aviation or professional flight major of aeronautical science in aviation) doesn't have high requirements on math and physics for application and entrance and make you really fly from year one at the same time only lasts for no more than 3 years in total? Since my school is an international one, by the time I graduate from it, I'll not only get a Beijing high school diploma but also a Canadian's New Brunswick province high school graduation diploma, will that be advantageous for applying, especially those universities in Canada that have flight training? The country I want to go to for university for aviation doesn't necessarily have to be USA, all western countries are more than fantastic in terms of learning aviation there. I'm Chinese, so do you think it's possible, if taking that into account, get the chance to go to an american airlines after graduation from a college with pilot program? Does UND commercial aviation degree only last for 2 years, why did I see 4-5 years on their official website? I look forward to your advice, thanks.
I would really like a video about exact prices of different flight schools. From ATP flight school to embry riddle. And even include local “mom and pop” schools. And details about different loan options and ways to pay for it/scholarships. That would be a cool video.
Ok so small side note I also went in with my privates but do some training beyond that if you know it’s for you. Definitely fly some instrument approaches and do some lazy eights, eights on pylons steep spirals and maybe hop in a multi engine if you can. Just take the checkride. having a basic understanding of approach plates and how to Hold and all that was a phenomenal help when I took the instrument course
Great information Swayne I wish at least one of my grandsons would have followed your career but if you don’t have it in your gut I guess there is no fire. Looking for more of your great videos.
I really liked this video and would love to see more of these as it helps people like me getting towards the end of high school decide the best path to a aviation programs. Thanks!!
Great informational video for someone who wants to break into the aviation industry as a pilot. You have real insight Swayne. You are old beyond your years. I would definitely feel comfortable flying with you, even though you are a youngster.
I appreciate you coming to speak at my alma matter, California Aeronautical University! You really don’t appreciate how good a Restricted ATP at 1000 hours is until you start working towards your Part 141 Commercial License.
I attend the Western Michigan University College Of Aviation and yes! I can say that college aviation programs are pretty epic!! Cheers 🥂 Love flying especially the Cirrus SR-20 that WMU College of Aviation flies!
Since you already had your PPL going into college what did your first year of college look like? Did you still have to take PPL classes your freshman year or did you substitute classes for them?
Great video Swayne! I've been a long time subscriber and your videos have really been inspiring and informative. I am transitioning out of the Marine Corps and I am planning on using my Post 9/11 GI Bill to cover my cost of the flight labs and tuition at The Ohio State University next fall. Keep up the great content, I'm looking forward to seeing what's next for you!
Hey Aaron! By next Fall do you mean fall '22 or fall '23? Only reason I ask is because I currently in the navy and my current plan is to do the same thing at OSU! I don't get out until next year though so hopefully I will start in fall 2023!
@@austinsmith4558 That is awesome! I'll be starting here in a few months for the Fall '22 semester. I can let you know how everything goes after this Fall. So far I've received a few emails about the program being backed up due to a shortage of instructors so I'm estimating it may take 5 years instead of 4 years to complete the program.
@@aaronriley03 oh wow! Yeah you'll have to let me know if you remember! Also, do you know for sure if the Post 9/11 GI Bill covers tuition and flight training? Or would it just cover tuition/housing/books like normal?
YOO SAME HERE! After I finish my boot camp and AIT for the National Guard, I plan to use my Ohio National Guard Scholarship to cover my tuition at OSU! Hope to see you there in 2023, homie :) - Pedro Ornelas
Was a helicopter CFI stuck, after my flight school I was instructing at went under due to Covid here in AZ. Found UND and they helped me get a custom course to get my addons! Cant say enough good things about UND.
I’m transferring to UND North Dakota in may. I’ve been flying in Mesa AZ for the last two years getting my ppl instrument commercial and multi. Excited to go up north!
I really want to go to UND but I’m not the worlds best student and my family is already in a lot of debt so I’m thinking about something like ATP and then doing an online degree program
I got my PPL privately but the fact that flight training costs are included in tuition (and therefore cheaper for me) and the pathway program really sold me. I'll be starting this September!
Toured UND, and a number of other flight programs. I ended up at Western Michigan, however I truly believe the quality of education and training received is very aligned due to reduced ATP training guidelines.
Hello captain Martin you are a true inspiration for the young amateur who aspire to become pilot well i want to know about one thing that if we persue the courier of being an aeronautical+aircraft maintenance engineering then also can we become pilot so what must be the procedure
I’m currently working on my a&p and associates degree at a local community college and am planning on using my experience and job to fund my flight training.
I would love to go to UND but I am from Michigan so it would cost much more than in state. Which the school I am going to in the fall is Western Michigan University.
I wanted to be an airline pilot so badly growing up. Then I found out I was colorblind when I was 12 and my pilot hopes went right down the drain. If you want to do this...take a colorblindness test. Most people don't know that they are colorblind.
Don't give up! You can take a test with an FAA ASI from GA ops (if you fail the in-office test with the AME) where they ask you to identify colors on a sectional chart, light gun signals, runway lights, suitable emergency landing spots, and colors on inflight displays. The passing rate of this test is near perfect. Go for it! Don't give up, if it is any consolation, I'll be doing the test in a few months and currently hold my private pilot license. I'm rooting for you! You got this!
@@scpatl4now The test with an FAA ASI is far more realistic than those stupid Ishihara tests. Plus, did you know that those Ishihara tests are horribly inaccurate, and yet somehow they have become a gold standard for testing in the FAA...a worthless gold standard in my opinion! Also, after talking to my eye doctor I discovered that those Ishihara plates become too faded to be accurate after 6mo-1yr. And then through more research, I discovered that most AMEs don't replace them every year like they're supposed to, to save money. The computer color vision tests are also total garbage, just FYI.
@@pilotguy8685 That's good to know, but my MOTHER is colorblind (which is extremely rare) so I was doomed...lol. Thanks for responding...where were you 20 years ago?
Just an idea for future video for another way to be a pilot and go airline. A video on the military track and also mention the guard/reserve track. It’s a track a lot of folks don’t consider but can be very beneficial.
@@SwayneMartinPilot yup saw it! I was thinking more of visiting an Air Force Reserve or Air National Guard organization and also show that you can fly for the airlines both in conjunction.
I wanted to be a pilot since I was a kid. But... in 2003, I discovered that if I fly for more than 3 hours, I start to get dizzy and nauseous. Then, while training on a Piper Warrior, I discovered that I forget commands almost immediately after they are given to me. This would only happen while flying. i.e... the Instructor would say, "Turn left at 30-degrees to heading 120. When we get at 120, have the plane at 1,200 feet." I would begin the turn left and promptly forget what heading and what altitude. This happened to me on *every* flight. This experience was very discouraging for me. I had become proficient with the mechanics of the plane, with the principles of aviation, with the technology, etc, and I had a passion for flying. But my personal experience while flying convinced me that I simply was not cut out for being a pilot. So, in the interest of safety, I practiced a good deal of humility and I quit my training. Now I fly radio-control model airplanes and I have no problem with that.
Hey, I'm currently finishing my first flying lesson here at UND and am about to get my PPL in a few days. I will tell you this, it's never easy starting out. I'm not sure how many hours you've accumulated, but I can tell you that I too have struggled to remember or even hear the words that ATC said. When doing a cross-country flight, I would be given a random frequency to tune, and 3 seconds later I would forget the frequency and ask them for it again, same thing happened when they gave me a squawk code, I totally forgot it a couple seconds later. Sometimes your mind is in one place when it should be in the other, but looking back from when I just started flying for the first time up until now, about to get my private pilot's license, I have learned and improved so much, my radio calls to ATC are much more smooth, concise, and confident. All it takes is time and dedication. Seeing as how you're talking about 20 years ago, maybe you've changed? Maybe you would be more confident to go back to flying and you won't get sick. I felt sick my first couple flights but now it feels totally normal for me. If you already found a new passion, that's great, but just letting you know that aviation is always something worth going back to. You ought to try it again, see if you like it this time!
The campus the program the airplanes all are beautiful and I’m happy for the students that get to go this route. However it seems equally smart these days to get the job start your seniority and then let tuition reimbursement as an employee cover the cost of education.
Great video! I show this to all of my (Part 61) students to really help them get an idea of the college pathway to airline pilot. It presents another option for after they complete their PPL.
How do fast-track programs like ADP compare to college programs like UND? Pros, cons, etc.? Do you get the same training sans degree? Is ADP a more cost effective option?
ATP is Part 61 so you have to fly the full 1500 hours to fly for a U.S. Carrier, UND/Riddle/Etc are Part 141 and if you get the degree you can go to the airlines at 1000 hours. There are also financing backdoors, you can bill flight training at a 141 school to FAFSA and get that interest rate as opposed to the bank loan or Fannie Mae for ATP. The cost is pretty similar for both, you're in the hole about $70k through Commercial Multi
Have you run into anyone who has taken the college aviation path, and done Air Force ROTC as well. I'm enlisted currently and looking to aim for a pilot slot after I finish my Active Duty contract, but I want to have the option of pulling out, and being an airline pilot if I decide the Air Force is not for me. My GI Bill would be paying for this, so money isn't really a concern.
I've seen people do it multiple ways! If you have the time to get started now, there's nothing wrong with that. Just make sure you look into a structured Part 141 training program if you're headed doing a professional pilot track. Alternatively, you could wait until graduation and do a 12 month fast-track course!
Wooooooh!!!This is a new information for me .....Thank you so much Swayne ❤️ love it.......(you're making me go crazy for this career .....i can't wait .....WHEN WILL THAT HAPPEN??)
What else do you want to learn about becoming a professional pilot?
I don’t know!?
I would love to see a video about the different cadet programs offered by airlines and regionals.
Can you fly if you have ADHD?
Is Aeronautical Engineering a good degree?
If I complete my school.can I go to aviation school without going to college or university.
Sometimes I feel so behind and alone trying to be a pilot, I feel like I’m never going to make it but you make me feel a bit better
20 year old here
we will get through it
You and me both man want to be a usaf fighter pilot so bad but feel like I won’t make it 😭
@@carterwilliams419 I believe that if we work hard in pursuing our chosen career, it’s possible! Just as Swayne reiterated, “planning is the key!” My best to you. Xx
@@IamINERT 20y/o here as well
18 year old here good luck to all of us we can all do it 💪
Graduated from UND in 2003. Excellent school and loved all the flying there. Did the CFI, AF Reserve route and ended up with my dream job at FedEx on the MD-11 and now the 777. It truly is an amazing career. Hope you have a wonderful career at UAL!!
you MD-11 pilots are menaces 😭
@@rock5454 how’s that??
Why cargo so lame bro
If I may ask how exactly did the air force Reserve route go for you, this is the route I plan to take!
@@MrNapster15 it has been an amazing career in the AFR. About to retire in 16 months once I have 20 years. Best of luck to you!
As the father of a high school senior who has decided this is the path he wants to follow, we have done a tremendous amount of research. Right now the feeling is pretty much 50-50 split between go to college versus going straight to an accelerated program like ATP. The argument for going straight to a program like ATP is that as you are building hours, you can work on a degree that may or may not be aviation related but would serve as a back up career in the event of something altering your career course. I think the advantages of college program speak for themselves. But I do agree that if you’re choosing an aviation degree, steer away from the professional pilot. That degree is only good for that career. Choose the aviation management, or airport management, or maintenance if you find a school that offers it. Those are at least degrees that will serve you for a back up career. Take my conclusions for what they are. My research. Please do your own and consider all the options for what works best for you and your finances. If you were looking at a career, it is perfectly understandable why you would want to rush the process in order to build your tenure as soon as possible with the carrier. Don’t forget, college must serve a purpose. A degree by itself is worth no more than the paper it is printed on. It’s what you do that ultimately matters. It’s the training that ultimately matters. Until they reinstate degrees as a requirement for employment, now is the time to properly assess the value. Good luck, Godspeed, and safe flying!
@@Me37368 I have recently talked to students actively going through the program and confirm most of what you say. For the most part they will get you the hours and they will get you an instructor to teach you the practical but everything is totally on your own. Also I believe you are correct 21 years old for the restricted which will allow you to be first officer on a regional carrier. Then you have to build up experience age and time to be captain.
Thanks for this, I am a highschool sophmore, my dream is to be a pilot of some sorts, likely commercial and i just started getting into research on how colleges work and all this. Its alot and im a bit overwhelmed. I am trying to figure out the best course for my future career. I hope your son makes it well
I would add that many Professional Flight programs also have dual majors available, which is what I would suggest.
Hey I have some serious questions
You can always double major or minor in something else. Theres a reason why und Perdue and embry riddle are also considered world class where ATP is just a scam. If you don’t want to do a 141 college then stay part 61
I got my certificate at a part 61 school in high school then went to college where I majored in aviation. I honestly think that is the best way to do it. You get a taste of both types of flight training, and save a little bit of money along the way.
Since you already had your PPL going into college what did your first year of college look like? Did you still have to take PPL classes your freshman year or did you substitute classes for them?
@@carsonknott9884 I took a credit by exam test which was essentially a private pilot written test.
First quarter was all aviation classes and the second two quarters of my freshman yeah had a General Education class tossed in
@@jaydenstrickland9162 so you basically had to take your PPL written test again when you got there to get the credit?
@@jaydenstrickland9162 I don't have a PPL but I do have a couple hours logged in a Cessna as part of an "experimental flight" so would you say that even though I don't have a certificate, it's still helpful that I have some hours logged in the book?
Just watched an excellent UND Aviation Ad on TH-cam without skipping!
Thanks Swayne! Love from Fargo, ND!
The final 2 minutes of this were spot on:
For many heading to an aviation specific college will open up access to Title 4 financial aid which can be used to pay for flight costs because it's part of your degree completion requirements.
(Think Pell Grant, Stafford loans and of course the infamous PLUS loan)
If you're like many of us who've grown up in financially strapped families, then the barrier to enter this field is 💰
Terrific video Swayne
Swayne, from a non-aviation family thank you for your videos especially the early ones. My son is in the Aviation program at UND and currently finishing his Junior year. Just like you he was 1 yr out-of-state and then went in-state to help with the costs. Even did the LLC at Noren Hall for 1yr. Can't wait to see what comes next!!
I've been watching your videos for years, and starting in the fall, I will start following my dream. I will be attending UND! I even qualified for starting flight lessons first semester. I cannot wait
I will also be there! We should connect!
Makes me wish I went to flight school haha. Great vid Swayne!
I got into UND and Embry Riddle for there aviation program, I only have a couple gripes with it. First off, you can’t get loans for the flying itself so you either have to come from a wealthy family or somehow get a third party loan for 100k. The overall cost of the programs are around 280k, that’s not very accessible to the majority of the population even if you get a deans scholarship. And secondly, the airline industry isn’t very stable. That being said it would be a better option to get a degree you can use for a different job in case the industry drops or you loose your medical and you find Urself not able to fly. But, if you have the resources for it by all means aviation colleges will provide some great quality training. But don’t think these are the only way to get to your goals. There are plenty of other schools that are great as well.
Some good points! The numbers are a little off, at least for UND. If you pay 1 year out of state, 3 years in-state (automatic after living 12 months in ND), and then pay the average cost for flight trianing, the total comes out to aorund $140,000, or half of the $280K you mentioned... Which is why I went to school where I did. I can't speak for the other school you mentioned, but it is significantly more expensive for the same outcome.
@@SwayneMartinPilot I see, thanks for the clarification. My numbers were from Embry Riddle. Apologies for the misinformation on UNDs end.
@@nicswensgard Your numbers are pretty accurate for Embry-Riddle. 10 or 15 years ago Riddle seemed to start catering to wealthy foreign students and their prices exploded. Phoeniz East Aviation is a big Part 141 school across the street from ERAU. You can get a Riddle Degree in anything, and get all of your ratings from one of the Part 141 flight schools nearby. The only big advantage UND and ERAU offer is the network connection to the industry. The airlines are never going to forget to recruit at UND and ERAU. If I was doing it all over, I would go to my nearby state university, get a degree in anything, and fly at the nearest Part 141 school. NOBODY in the industry cares about your school or who taught you to fly. Save your money and get everything finished as soon as possible to get hired (get seniority) ASAP. Seniority is the most important thing in the industry for pilots.
I’ve always been able to get student loans and put them directly towards flight training at UND.
@Nic Swensgard hey bro could u tell me what were the requirements to get in UND ,like minimum SAT score?
Awesome video Swame. UND’s training really helped me out A LOT during my airline interview in Taiwan. All the training starting from private pilot course all the way to CRJ training were all helpful in my airline career. Class of 13’
Mankato State student here! Just a little update for those considering doing flight training through a college program, a lot of airlines have brought their required hours down to 950 now!
Thanks, I wasn't aware of that.
@@badgermoon9229 it’s because when you finish their flight training you’ll have 1000 hrs with the RATP so it’s not really that different
Awesome video. I also went thru the commercial aviation degree at UND. Thanks for awesome video in the promotion of UND. And for glimpse of the Ala mater these days.
This program helped me greatly for my career at Hawaiian Airlines.
I study Aviation Management at Utah Valley University. Our program also offers a Professional Pilot degree. Reasonable tuition prices. Only 30 credit difference between degrees. Provides a great fall back plan.
UVU student here as well :)
Do you still do flight training as well?
I recognize almost all of the UND PHX instructors in this video. I'll be done with the program here in the next few months.
Our son attends BGSU and loves it. He’s a freshman and is working on his multi/commercial currently. He arrived with his pvt and several hundred hours so he’s moving quickly in an attempt to get his CFII and MEI to help pay for this. We give credit to his pt 61 instructor at home who taught our son in our plane where he learned lots of real world flying. We love you videos because they give up and coming pilots a snap shot of how you got where your are today. Thanks
He’s working on multi freshman year danggg😳
UND Phoenix is GOATED. Heavily recommend going there.
I’m a freshman at Elizabeth City State University in North Carolina majoring in Aviation Science with a concentration in Flight Education. We’re a Part 141 school that’s growing rapidly and fly out of the Coast Guard Air Station that’s just 7 minutes away from campus. Our program is AABI Accredited and has close ties to CSPI and United Aviate. It’s also one of the most affordable schools at $500 Tuition for instate and $2500 Tuition out of state. They have it set up for us to be CFI’s when we finish the program with Private, Instrument, Commercial, and Multi ratings and have the capability to obtain ATP’s at 1,000 hours. I’m definitely very happy with the program and have learned so much and developed in just 1 semester. Definitely an option to consider. We also have a UAS complex, ATC Lab, Avionics program, and Professional Aeronautics tracks available. It’s definitely a well rounded aviation program and is definitely a great option up and coming aviation enthusiasts that are looking to enter the industry should consider.
How are you liking it so far and how often are you flying every week?
I'm so lucky to live in ND and have a dream of becoming and airline pilot. It's only an hour drive from where I live to UND!
Lucky b*stard 😂
Great video! I will be starting flight training in my first semester at UND in the fall! Happy flying!
Hii how did it go?or how’s it going still?
Great video. I passed along to my niece in Calgary Alberta. Just completed her privates on her way to commercial at the local aviation college. Keep up the inspirational vids, she enjoyed this as well.
I got accepted into UND last summer and am really excited for it
I will also be a freshman at UND this fall! For commercial Aviation! We should connect!
@@thesheetmusicman Hey that's awesome! I'm looking forward to meeting our fellow aviators up there so for sure we should get to know each other, I honestly can't wait to start flying!
How has it been so far? How often do you fly every week?
@@thesheetmusicmanhow has it been for you also? How often do you fly?
@@gbma3241 Hi! So firstly, it's been going great! I've started my sophomore year, and I already got my pilots license and am currently working on my instrument rating. Typically, when it comes to how often you fly, it depends on what flight course you're taking and the availability of your flight instructor. Some courses like the private pilot course and the instrument course automatically gives you three flight launches per week for whatever time you choose. For other courses, you only fly whenever you and your instructor are available. Over summer months you can fly around 5-6 times a week. I got lucky this fall semester and was able to fly nearly every day since me and my instructor had a lot of availability.
During the normal academic semesters, I would say you will for sure be flying 3-4 times per week. Keep in mind though that weather could alter your plans and some lessons are briefing and simulators rather than actual flights, but overall, you will for sure fly several times per week!
Hope that helps, let me know if you need any more info or have any other questions!
The next video should be you sharing with us your journey as you prepare to fly the Boeing 777 for United Airlines.
My grandpa flew that plane
You are such an amazing person. You produce great and informative videos.
Great stuff Swayne! I study Aviation Management and Ops at Western Michigan University one of UND’s big competitors but the concepts are all the same and this was still a great video! 😅
Also I remember that video from 7:31 and what happened to those 2 friends of yours? What’re they up to today??
i remember watching him go back and forth in behind the simulators for that take.
I graduated Embry-Riddle with Aerospace Studies/Aviation Maintenance B.S. and 2 A.S. I was out of the industry within 2 years of graduating. A lot depends on the airline economy at the time you graduate and your network and their connection into the industry. If you have all of your ratings and your degree and graduate in an airline recession, that lull will follow you for your career.
If you want to spend less money go to any college and get any Bachelor's degree. Find a Part 141 flight school and complete your ratings with them. A Part 141 school is organized. Yes, instead of making cookies on production line, they make pilots. They have figured out the process. Nobody in the airlines cares where you went to school, what your degree is in, or who taught you to fly, if you fly well. Make sure you are a good Instrument pilot. That is how you will be measured by people that don't know you yet. Get your degree as fast as possible, as cheap as possible, and same with your ratings. If you want to hone your skills when you have your ratings spend some of the money you saved and ask around for the Old Man in the area people are afraid of and fly with him until he is happy with your performance.
near Riddle and probably most flying universities there are Part 141 schools that teach aviation to the non-moneyed masses. Lost of their instructors are graduates of the flying university. For example, across the campus from Embry-Riddle (Daytona) is Phoenix East Aviation. They train tons of pilots. When I started Embry Riddle the school was full for flight students.Many of us enrolled in non-flight programs, flew off-campus, and graduated with ERAU degrees.
Great video, Swayne! Very informational. Having put a child through aviation college in GA, I can agree with everything you said - particularly about the costs and having a solid plan before you start.
Middle Georgia State?
@@noahandrews3480 yes.
Exceptional video Swayne
Great video Swayne and love learning about the piloting side. Hope you can do a video to focus on the operations side/ flight planning side. I would like to become a flight dispatcher and would love to learn an in depth video if you can?
You have Inspired me to start a journey in Aviation! Thank you for making these Videos to help us grow in becoming a great pilot!
I’m a high school freshman and I want to take this exact path to the right seat at an airline
All the best
Hope to fly with you one day!
Be aware of colleges where do you have to wait a year or two before you start flight training. I know for sure UND has a 1-2 year wait right now
I think the majority of young pilots will find out after 4 yrs that they just spent a lot of money, to just be a week end private pilot that if you don't keep spending money you will lose your license. 5 touch and goes once a yr to keep certified. Sorry I'm negative on this subject BUT spent 4 yrs on my son's training in the 1990's about 15 K private with VFR and IFR ratings. He got married and he and his wife would fly to her home for the Holidays because a 5 hr plane ride was better than a 10 hr car ride. Then he got the upgrade to a 185 archer which made the flight 3 & 1/2 hrs but in the end cost just became to much for a struggling family man. Before their first child came, he did do a week advanced course on a complex air craft at Mid Wisconsin airfield. Rg, turbo prop, variable pitch. I don't know if he got his certification for that though. He did his first solo at a week long flight encampment, with the CAP in Illinois in 1993 when he was 15. So now he doesn't even fly anymore.
Thank you soooo much for the video! Very informative!
Hi, good day. I'm a 16-year-old Chinese student studying in a high school international department in Beijing. I'm now an av geek, a planespotter, and an aviation enthusiast who dreams to be an airline pilot since the age of seven. As you do, also want to go to a college or university for flight training and to study aviation. However, I'm completely bad at and do not enjoy math and physics at all, you know I just love flying rather than doing the boring calculation (in fact I've already tried to fly in a 737NG simulator for several times and it was like on cloud nine to me). I think I'll be happy as Larry whenever I fly. Anyways, I just want to ask you that can Chinese like me enter into a foreign airline in the future, doesn't necessarily have to be US but other western country are okay for me as well. And which university that has its own school of aviation (Bachelor of aviation or professional flight major of aeronautical science in aviation) doesn't have high requirements on math and physics for application and entrance and make you really fly from year one at the same time only lasts for no more than 3 years in total? Since my school is an international one, by the time I graduate from it, I'll not only get a Beijing high school diploma but also a Canadian's New Brunswick province high school graduation diploma, will that be advantageous for applying, especially those universities in Canada that have flight training? The country I want to go to for university for aviation doesn't necessarily have to be USA, all western countries are more than fantastic in terms of learning aviation there. I'm Chinese, so do you think it's possible, if taking that into account, get the chance to go to an american airlines after graduation from a college with pilot program? Does UND commercial aviation degree only last for 2 years, why did I see 4-5 years on their official website? I look forward to your advice, thanks.
I would really like a video about exact prices of different flight schools. From ATP flight school to embry riddle. And even include local “mom and pop” schools. And details about different loan options and ways to pay for it/scholarships. That would be a cool video.
Ok so small side note I also went in with my privates but do some training beyond that if you know it’s for you. Definitely fly some instrument approaches and do some lazy eights, eights on pylons steep spirals and maybe hop in a multi engine if you can. Just take the checkride.
having a basic understanding of approach plates and how to Hold and all that was a phenomenal help when I took the instrument course
Starting my pilot journey in three weeks at UND.
Have they let you fly right away ?
I love this video. I’m in the aviation program at Purdue University. I believe that having a degree is a bonus.
How is your experience at Purdue so far? Currently debating between Purdue and UND (if I get into Purdue of course).
in purdue is there aviation management degree? can you answer this please!
@@bl4zex781 Yes. You can look up information relating to degree offerings.
Great information Swayne I wish at least one of my grandsons would have followed your career but if you don’t have it in your gut I guess there is no fire. Looking for more of your great videos.
Great video, keep it up Swayne!
I really liked this video and would love to see more of these as it helps people like me getting towards the end of high school decide the best path to a aviation programs. Thanks!!
Great informational video for someone who wants to break into the aviation industry as a pilot. You have real insight Swayne. You are old beyond your years. I would definitely feel comfortable flying with you, even though you are a youngster.
I appreciate you coming to speak at my alma matter, California Aeronautical University! You really don’t appreciate how good a Restricted ATP at 1000 hours is until you start working towards your Part 141 Commercial License.
Anxiously awaiting your big announcement.
I attend the Western Michigan University College Of Aviation and yes! I can say that college aviation programs are pretty epic!!
Cheers 🥂
Love flying especially the Cirrus SR-20 that WMU College of Aviation flies!
Since you already had your PPL going into college what did your first year of college look like? Did you still have to take PPL classes your freshman year or did you substitute classes for them?
Great video Swayne! I've been a long time subscriber and your videos have really been inspiring and informative. I am transitioning out of the Marine Corps and I am planning on using my Post 9/11 GI Bill to cover my cost of the flight labs and tuition at The Ohio State University next fall. Keep up the great content, I'm looking forward to seeing what's next for you!
Same scenario here starting this fall at Middle Tennessee State. Best of luck to you Aaron 🤙🏼
Hey Aaron! By next Fall do you mean fall '22 or fall '23? Only reason I ask is because I currently in the navy and my current plan is to do the same thing at OSU! I don't get out until next year though so hopefully I will start in fall 2023!
@@austinsmith4558 That is awesome! I'll be starting here in a few months for the Fall '22 semester. I can let you know how everything goes after this Fall. So far I've received a few emails about the program being backed up due to a shortage of instructors so I'm estimating it may take 5 years instead of 4 years to complete the program.
@@aaronriley03 oh wow! Yeah you'll have to let me know if you remember! Also, do you know for sure if the Post 9/11 GI Bill covers tuition and flight training? Or would it just cover tuition/housing/books like normal?
YOO SAME HERE!
After I finish my boot camp and AIT for the National Guard, I plan to use my Ohio National Guard Scholarship to cover my tuition at OSU!
Hope to see you there in 2023, homie :)
- Pedro Ornelas
Was a helicopter CFI stuck, after my flight school I was instructing at went under due to Covid here in AZ. Found UND and they helped me get a custom course to get my addons! Cant say enough good things about UND.
I’m transferring to UND North Dakota in may. I’ve been flying in Mesa AZ for the last two years getting my ppl instrument commercial and multi. Excited to go up north!
How has it been? How often are you flying every week?
@@gbma3241 so far I’ve been able to fly 4 to 5 times a week. Weather hasn’t been an issue it’s mid October and so far so good.
Great video! Do you think AA will ever fly into GFK? Would love to see it someday!
Love the content, keep posting!
Go to a community college and be a CFI In under 2 years then use the next 18 months getting paid to CFI while this kid was paying to go to school.
From Mokulele to the 777, congrats on the latest career move Swayne.
Enjoy flying the 777 Swayne, it’s one of my favorite aircraft
How do you know he’s flying the 777 next
@@budaroski he works for United flying the 777 now
@@budaroski yeah he posted it on his Instagram
Damn my boi went from $50/hr to $140/hr
I really want to go to UND but I’m not the worlds best student and my family is already in a lot of debt so I’m thinking about something like ATP and then doing an online degree program
Another great video:) I just applied for jobs at Envoy and thanks for the insight in your past production.
Fantastic Video Swayne! Is it possible if you can look into posting a video on Part 141 Schools such as ATP & others as another option?
I got my PPL privately but the fact that flight training costs are included in tuition (and therefore cheaper for me) and the pathway program really sold me. I'll be starting this September!
Have they let you fly right away?
Always continue to learn!
Toured UND, and a number of other flight programs. I ended up at Western Michigan, however I truly believe the quality of education and training received is very aligned due to reduced ATP training guidelines.
Hello captain Martin you are a true inspiration for the young amateur who aspire to become pilot well i want to know about one thing that if we persue the courier of being an aeronautical+aircraft maintenance engineering then also can we become pilot so what must be the procedure
Currently doing Ozarka College’s ATP program it’s only 2 years, and absolutely free for me thanks to the GI Bill
Hey Swayne, I live not to far from the UND location out at Mesa-Gateway. Thanks for mentioning it!
I’m currently working on my a&p and associates degree at a local community college and am planning on using my experience and job to fund my flight training.
Did you mention the military option? It's much cheaper(free).
Great Video! As an Alum - Way to represent UND well.
Thanks, Jeff!
I would love to go to UND but I am from Michigan so it would cost much more than in state. Which the school I am going to in the fall is Western Michigan University.
Why college
Great video, thanks!
Great video, Swayne. Answered a lot of questions. I always enjoy your vids.
I got a GPA of 3.0 from Crown Education. Can I join it?
Great information! A two for one kind of thing (even though you’re still paying for it).
Excellent video, massive like from me ✨
I wanted to be an airline pilot so badly growing up. Then I found out I was colorblind when I was 12 and my pilot hopes went right down the drain. If you want to do this...take a colorblindness test. Most people don't know that they are colorblind.
Don't give up! You can take a test with an FAA ASI from GA ops (if you fail the in-office test with the AME) where they ask you to identify colors on a sectional chart, light gun signals, runway lights, suitable emergency landing spots, and colors on inflight displays. The passing rate of this test is near perfect. Go for it! Don't give up, if it is any consolation, I'll be doing the test in a few months and currently hold my private pilot license. I'm rooting for you! You got this!
@@pilotguy8685 I only score 33% on the Ishihara color vision test, plus that was a long time ago.
@@scpatl4now The test with an FAA ASI is far more realistic than those stupid Ishihara tests. Plus, did you know that those Ishihara tests are horribly inaccurate, and yet somehow they have become a gold standard for testing in the FAA...a worthless gold standard in my opinion! Also, after talking to my eye doctor I discovered that those Ishihara plates become too faded to be accurate after 6mo-1yr. And then through more research, I discovered that most AMEs don't replace them every year like they're supposed to, to save money. The computer color vision tests are also total garbage, just FYI.
Additionally, you can still be hired under part 91 with color vision issues. Go for it! Disabilities like color vision don't disable dreams!!!!
@@pilotguy8685 That's good to know, but my MOTHER is colorblind (which is extremely rare) so I was doomed...lol. Thanks for responding...where were you 20 years ago?
Just got accepted to Embry riddle as an aeronautical science major!
Excellent and informative! Thanks for the advice in saving money $$$
Just an idea for future video for another way to be a pilot and go airline. A video on the military track and also mention the guard/reserve track. It’s a track a lot of folks don’t consider but can be very beneficial.
Yep! I made one about the military track when I flew with the Thunderbirds - It’s on my profile
@@SwayneMartinPilot yup saw it! I was thinking more of visiting an Air Force Reserve or Air National Guard organization and also show that you can fly for the airlines both in conjunction.
I wanted to be a pilot since I was a kid. But... in 2003, I discovered that if I fly for more than 3 hours, I start to get dizzy and nauseous. Then, while training on a Piper Warrior, I discovered that I forget commands almost immediately after they are given to me. This would only happen while flying. i.e... the Instructor would say, "Turn left at 30-degrees to heading 120. When we get at 120, have the plane at 1,200 feet." I would begin the turn left and promptly forget what heading and what altitude. This happened to me on *every* flight.
This experience was very discouraging for me. I had become proficient with the mechanics of the plane, with the principles of aviation, with the technology, etc, and I had a passion for flying. But my personal experience while flying convinced me that I simply was not cut out for being a pilot. So, in the interest of safety, I practiced a good deal of humility and I quit my training.
Now I fly radio-control model airplanes and I have no problem with that.
Hey, I'm currently finishing my first flying lesson here at UND and am about to get my PPL in a few days. I will tell you this, it's never easy starting out. I'm not sure how many hours you've accumulated, but I can tell you that I too have struggled to remember or even hear the words that ATC said. When doing a cross-country flight, I would be given a random frequency to tune, and 3 seconds later I would forget the frequency and ask them for it again, same thing happened when they gave me a squawk code, I totally forgot it a couple seconds later.
Sometimes your mind is in one place when it should be in the other, but looking back from when I just started flying for the first time up until now, about to get my private pilot's license, I have learned and improved so much, my radio calls to ATC are much more smooth, concise, and confident. All it takes is time and dedication.
Seeing as how you're talking about 20 years ago, maybe you've changed? Maybe you would be more confident to go back to flying and you won't get sick. I felt sick my first couple flights but now it feels totally normal for me. If you already found a new passion, that's great, but just letting you know that aviation is always something worth going back to. You ought to try it again, see if you like it this time!
The campus the program the airplanes all are beautiful and I’m happy for the students that get to go this route. However it seems equally smart these days to get the job start your seniority and then let tuition reimbursement as an employee cover the cost of education.
Is there any possibility to get after the college and flying stuff directly a type rating from an airlines/maybe after your instructor licens?
Great video! I show this to all of my (Part 61) students to really help them get an idea of the college pathway to airline pilot. It presents another option for after they complete their PPL.
What about a military path? What would that be like?
Can you go over ways to get aviation scholarships or good scholarships to apply for?
Completely unrelated but you should do a ramp video again but 3rd shift at O’Hare when you’re back. Lol just a suggestion swayne 😁
Great video! I don't believe anyone else has done this.
How do fast-track programs like ADP compare to college programs like UND? Pros, cons, etc.? Do you get the same training sans degree? Is ADP a more cost effective option?
ATP is Part 61 so you have to fly the full 1500 hours to fly for a U.S. Carrier, UND/Riddle/Etc are Part 141 and if you get the degree you can go to the airlines at 1000 hours. There are also financing backdoors, you can bill flight training at a 141 school to FAFSA and get that interest rate as opposed to the bank loan or Fannie Mae for ATP. The cost is pretty similar for both, you're in the hole about $70k through Commercial Multi
So, which program do airlines respect the most between fast tracks, associates, and bachelors?
My school offers all sorts of ratings. I do believe we are trying to get simulators built in on campus soon
Excellent information. I wish information was this accessible when I was younger. Have you transitioned to The major airlines yet? Great content.
Have you run into anyone who has taken the college aviation path, and done Air Force ROTC as well. I'm enlisted currently and looking to aim for a pilot slot after I finish my Active Duty contract, but I want to have the option of pulling out, and being an airline pilot if I decide the Air Force is not for me. My GI Bill would be paying for this, so money isn't really a concern.
Come to the UND PHX campus
Awesome video, personally I am looking to join flight training in the USA , by the time i come i will have a university degree
Given the current shortage, do you think there’s a pilot with 8000 hours + atp who can’t land a major airline?
Hello Swayne, nice video, I got a question , when should I take fight school, before college, in between college, or after, please reply
I've seen people do it multiple ways! If you have the time to get started now, there's nothing wrong with that. Just make sure you look into a structured Part 141 training program if you're headed doing a professional pilot track. Alternatively, you could wait until graduation and do a 12 month fast-track course!
Thanks, I may go to ATP in MN
Hi Martin! Your video was so helpful. As a foreign student I’d like to know how I can get scholarships in academy
Wooooooh!!!This is a new information for me .....Thank you so much Swayne ❤️ love it.......(you're making me go crazy for this career .....i can't wait .....WHEN WILL THAT HAPPEN??)
You should do other college visits....BGSU next?
Thanks for sharing 😍😍😍
Great video